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Posted: 11/13/2012 2:50:07 PM EST
I don't care how either. Taxed, not taxed, forced upon the states, not forced upon the states. It is all about optics anyway.



The R's need to become 'cool' one way or another or forever lose elections.


Legalization is popular with the young people. Fuck it, throw it against the wall and see if it sticks.
Link Posted: 11/13/2012 2:51:27 PM EST
Freedom, how does it work?

Link Posted: 11/13/2012 2:52:26 PM EST
The republicans need to see the money that can be made with it....$$$
Link Posted: 11/13/2012 2:53:05 PM EST
If they ever do, I'm getting in the business.
Link Posted: 11/13/2012 2:53:15 PM EST
[Last Edit: 11/13/2012 2:54:31 PM EST by shimric]
So the only reason you want to see it legal is so you can have more people vote republican? Tell me I read that wrong. That being said, there is a LOT of money to be made in the industry. I can't see why republicans haven't gotten behind it a long time ago. Aren't they all about small business anyways? Industrial hemp would be a gigantic industry for this failing country. It's funny, you can buy hemp clothes, seeds, food but you can't grow the shit.
Link Posted: 11/13/2012 2:54:00 PM EST

Originally Posted By popsickles:
The republicans need to see the money that can be made with it....$$$

No.

Revenue should not be a motivating factor for increasing liberty. Liberty is a cause in and of itself, which should be pursued for its own sake.
Link Posted: 11/13/2012 2:54:22 PM EST

Originally Posted By peekay:
Freedom, how does it work?



It won't lead to more freedom (except for that single exception of smoking dope).



Unless it gets more Rs elected.



Link Posted: 11/13/2012 2:54:27 PM EST

Originally Posted By shimric:
So the only reason you want to see it legal is so you can have more people vote republican? Tell me I read that wrong.
Youre OK with Obama promising the poor everything and
giving citizenship to illegals for their vote?

Link Posted: 11/13/2012 2:54:57 PM EST
Never saw why it was illegal to begin with.
Link Posted: 11/13/2012 2:55:00 PM EST
Originally Posted By VRMN8R:

Originally Posted By shimric:
So the only reason you want to see it legal is so you can have more people vote republican? Tell me I read that wrong.
Youre OK with Obama promising the poor everything and
giving citizenship to illegals for their vote?



Not exactly, no.
Link Posted: 11/13/2012 2:55:02 PM EST

Originally Posted By shimric:
So the only reason you want to see it legal is so you can have more people vote republican? Tell me I read that wrong.


You are exactly correct.



We are in a war for our country. Drug legalization is an acceptable casualty.
Link Posted: 11/13/2012 2:55:45 PM EST

Originally Posted By RedDogSoldier:

Originally Posted By popsickles:
The republicans need to see the money that can be made with it....$$$

No.

Revenue should not be a motivating factor for increasing liberty. Liberty is a cause in and of itself, which should be pursued for its own sake.


My preference is for it to be tax transparent. IOW, the ONLY taxes are what is on any other business. No bullshit excise taxes.
Link Posted: 11/13/2012 2:55:49 PM EST

Originally Posted By sherrick13:
I don't care how either. Taxed, not taxed, forced upon the states, not forced upon the states. It is all about optics anyway.



The R's need to become 'cool' one way or another or forever lose elections.


Legalization is popular with the young people. Fuck it, throw it against the wall and see if it sticks.

Embrace you some Freedom.
Link Posted: 11/13/2012 2:56:34 PM EST

Originally Posted By davisac:
Never saw why it was illegal to begin with.

Politics, special interests, and racism.



True story.
Link Posted: 11/13/2012 2:56:35 PM EST
Originally Posted By sherrick13:

Originally Posted By shimric:
So the only reason you want to see it legal is so you can have more people vote republican? Tell me I read that wrong.


You are exactly correct.



We are in a war for our country. Drug legalization is an acceptable casualty.


Well, while you're at it you may as well go pro choice and pro gay marriage.
Link Posted: 11/13/2012 2:56:49 PM EST

Originally Posted By sherrick13:

Originally Posted By RedDogSoldier:

Originally Posted By popsickles:
The republicans need to see the money that can be made with it....$$$

No.

Revenue should not be a motivating factor for increasing liberty. Liberty is a cause in and of itself, which should be pursued for its own sake.


My preference is for it to be tax transparent. IOW, the ONLY taxes are what is on any other business. No bullshit excise taxes.
Sounds fine to me.

Link Posted: 11/13/2012 2:56:58 PM EST
Mark my words.


If the Ds get to get credit for legalization (it will most likely eventually happen) it will just drive the young people further away from the Rs.
Link Posted: 11/13/2012 2:57:20 PM EST
Originally Posted By sherrick13:

Originally Posted By shimric:
So the only reason you want to see it legal is so you can have more people vote republican? Tell me I read that wrong.


You are exactly correct.



We are in a war for our country. Drug legalization is an acceptable casualty.



You're just now having your moral balance calibrated to the point that only just now this seems like a good idea?

Laggard...
Link Posted: 11/13/2012 2:57:21 PM EST

Originally Posted By shimric:
Originally Posted By sherrick13:

Originally Posted By shimric:
So the only reason you want to see it legal is so you can have more people vote republican? Tell me I read that wrong.


You are exactly correct.



We are in a war for our country. Drug legalization is an acceptable casualty.


Well, while you're at it you may as well go pro choice and pro gay marriage.


Don't fucking care.
Link Posted: 11/13/2012 2:57:56 PM EST

Originally Posted By gonzo_beyondo:

Originally Posted By davisac:
Never saw why it was illegal to begin with.

Politics, special interests, and racism.



True story.

Yep... a lot of people aren't aware of the "marijuana is evil because it turns Mexicans into murdering fiends" line of reasoning that was used in the early 1900s.
Link Posted: 11/13/2012 2:58:03 PM EST
Did you see the article where people were busted for smuggling cheese? To avoid the tax on it?

What makes you think that 'legalizing' and 'taxing' 'recreational drugs' would not result in the same kind of activity.

What's happening in $hitcago, where the tax on a pack of cig's is $4+/pack and in Misery they are less than a $1? Any possibility of an increase in cigarette smuggling?

If you think this will result in a decrease in crime, or an increase in lawful behavior - I'd say you have much more faith in humanity than I do.
Link Posted: 11/13/2012 2:58:17 PM EST

Originally Posted By BSWilson:
Originally Posted By sherrick13:

Originally Posted By shimric:
So the only reason you want to see it legal is so you can have more people vote republican? Tell me I read that wrong.


You are exactly correct.



We are in a war for our country. Drug legalization is an acceptable casualty.



You're just now having your moral balance calibrated to the point that only just now this seems like a good idea?

Laggard...


Not at all. I'm just pragmatic.


The electorate has changed. I'd rather the Rs stick with fiscal conservativism. Without at least that this country is in for a world of hurt.
Link Posted: 11/13/2012 2:58:25 PM EST
Originally Posted By sherrick13:
Mark my words.


If the Ds get to get credit for legalization (it will most likely eventually happen) it will just drive the young people further away from the Rs.


I think the problem with the republican party is when you look at it in the media. It's nothing but old rich white guys. Not exactly appealing to the youth of America.
Link Posted: 11/13/2012 2:58:53 PM EST

Originally Posted By Mak_380:
Did you see the article where people were busted for smuggling cheese? To avoid the tax on it?

What makes you think that 'legalizing' and 'taxing' 'recreational drugs' would not result in the same kind of activity.

What's happening in $hitcago, where the tax on a pack of cig's is $4+/pack and in Misery they are less than a $1? Any possibility of an increase in cigarette smuggling?

If you think this will result in a decrease in crime, or an increase in lawful behavior - I'd say you have much more faith in humanity than I do.


It will. Thus the Rs need to champion the issue. NO NEW TAXES. Just legalization.
Link Posted: 11/13/2012 2:59:19 PM EST

Originally Posted By shimric:
Originally Posted By sherrick13:
Mark my words.


If the Ds get to get credit for legalization (it will most likely eventually happen) it will just drive the young people further away from the Rs.


I think the problem with the republican party is when you look at it in the media. It's nothing but old rich white guys. Not exactly appealing to the youth of America.
And the Democrats arent old rich white guys for the most part?

Link Posted: 11/13/2012 2:59:36 PM EST

Originally Posted By sherrick13:

Originally Posted By shimric:
Originally Posted By sherrick13:

Originally Posted By shimric:
So the only reason you want to see it legal is so you can have more people vote republican? Tell me I read that wrong.


You are exactly correct.



We are in a war for our country. Drug legalization is an acceptable casualty.


Well, while you're at it you may as well go pro choice and pro gay marriage.


Don't fucking care.
Concur. At least on gay marriage.

Take the government out of marriage completely.

Let marriage be a religious function.

Link Posted: 11/13/2012 3:00:01 PM EST

Originally Posted By shimric:
Originally Posted By sherrick13:
Mark my words.


If the Ds get to get credit for legalization (it will most likely eventually happen) it will just drive the young people further away from the Rs.


I think the problem with the republican party is when you look at it in the media. It's nothing but old rich white guys. Not exactly appealing to the youth of America.

Ok. What will bring more of them into the R party.


Figure that out and we have a shot at staying in power sometimes.


Anything but becoming socialist. That is NOT an acceptable casualty in the party platform.
Link Posted: 11/13/2012 3:00:03 PM EST
Originally Posted By VRMN8R:

Originally Posted By shimric:
Originally Posted By sherrick13:
Mark my words.


If the Ds get to get credit for legalization (it will most likely eventually happen) it will just drive the young people further away from the Rs.


I think the problem with the republican party is when you look at it in the media. It's nothing but old rich white guys. Not exactly appealing to the youth of America.
And the Democrats arent old rich white guys for the most part?



Never said they weren't but when you look at the media and particularly events like the DNC. You see a lot of color, not just old and white.
Link Posted: 11/13/2012 3:00:17 PM EST
That would do it.

If the GOP added "end the war on drugs" as an official party position, they'd win the White House in a heartbeat.
Link Posted: 11/13/2012 3:00:56 PM EST
You're starting to sound very un-sherrick13 like, you depressed or something?
Link Posted: 11/13/2012 3:01:11 PM EST

Originally Posted By RedDogSoldier:

Originally Posted By sherrick13:

Originally Posted By shimric:
Originally Posted By sherrick13:

Originally Posted By shimric:
So the only reason you want to see it legal is so you can have more people vote republican? Tell me I read that wrong.


You are exactly correct.



We are in a war for our country. Drug legalization is an acceptable casualty.


Well, while you're at it you may as well go pro choice and pro gay marriage.


Don't fucking care.
Concur. At least on gay marriage.

Take the government out of marriage completely.

Let marriage be a religious function.



At this point I don't care about anything (even gun rights) except for keeping the debt from hitting 200% of GDP.


Link Posted: 11/13/2012 3:01:14 PM EST
Originally Posted By sherrick13:

Originally Posted By shimric:
Originally Posted By sherrick13:
Mark my words.


If the Ds get to get credit for legalization (it will most likely eventually happen) it will just drive the young people further away from the Rs.


I think the problem with the republican party is when you look at it in the media. It's nothing but old rich white guys. Not exactly appealing to the youth of America.

Ok. What will bring more of them into the R party.


Figure that out and we have a shot at staying in power sometimes.


Anything but becoming socialist. That is NOT an acceptable casualty in the party platform.


To be honest with you I have no idea. It would basically require being a carbon copy of the Democratic party. Something, I don't think most republicans are willing to do.
Link Posted: 11/13/2012 3:01:22 PM EST
Make it legal with the condition that once you partake in it, you forfeit your right to vote.
Link Posted: 11/13/2012 3:01:36 PM EST

Originally Posted By TerribleTom:
That would do it.

If the GOP added "end the war on drugs" as an official party position, they'd win the White House in a heartbeat.

It'll never happen. Too much pandering to the evangelical right.
Link Posted: 11/13/2012 3:01:37 PM EST
Thank you for getting with the program
Link Posted: 11/13/2012 3:01:38 PM EST

Originally Posted By Miracle_Pants:
You're starting to sound very un-sherrick13 like, you depressed or something?


Yes, I'm terrified about my country.
Link Posted: 11/13/2012 3:01:46 PM EST
Originally Posted By captainpooby:
If they ever do, I'm getting in the business.


You need seed money.
Link Posted: 11/13/2012 3:02:15 PM EST
True. At the national level the Republicans should just advocate the revenue potential of legalized marijuana and the freeing of resources that would result from removing marijuana from the "war on drugs".


Originally Posted By sherrick13:
Mark my words.


If the Ds get to get credit for legalization (it will most likely eventually happen) it will just drive the young people further away from the Rs.


Link Posted: 11/13/2012 3:02:23 PM EST

Originally Posted By TacitMayhem:
Make it legal with the condition that once you partake in it, you forfeit your right to vote.


Link Posted: 11/13/2012 3:02:31 PM EST
Originally Posted By TacitMayhem:
Make it legal with the condition that once you partake in it, you forfeit your right to vote.


Yea, that would totally win over the hearts of millions of young people. I could see republicans seizing the white house no problem with a platform like that!
Link Posted: 11/13/2012 3:03:14 PM EST
Originally Posted By peekay:
Freedom, how does it work?



yup, time the repub party started coming to terms with reality.

as Dr. Ron Paul always says "freedom is popular".
Link Posted: 11/13/2012 3:03:42 PM EST
If people have the freedom to ingest what they want, is there any point to america existing?
Wasn't america founded on the idea that we need overlords to micromanage our behavior?
Move to France OP
Link Posted: 11/13/2012 3:04:24 PM EST
There's a party that believes in small government and fiscal responsibility, AND individual liberties that invites EVERYBODY under its umbrella.


It doesn't have to change anything. These are its core principles.




Hint: It ain't the republicans.
Link Posted: 11/13/2012 3:04:30 PM EST
Link Posted: 11/13/2012 3:05:18 PM EST
Originally Posted By sherrick13:

Originally Posted By RedDogSoldier:

Originally Posted By sherrick13:

Originally Posted By shimric:
Originally Posted By sherrick13:

Originally Posted By shimric:
So the only reason you want to see it legal is so you can have more people vote republican? Tell me I read that wrong.


You are exactly correct.



We are in a war for our country. Drug legalization is an acceptable casualty.


Well, while you're at it you may as well go pro choice and pro gay marriage.


Don't fucking care.
Concur. At least on gay marriage.

Take the government out of marriage completely.

Let marriage be a religious function.



At this point I don't care about anything (even gun rights) except for keeping the debt from hitting 200% of GDP.




Never go full retard.
Link Posted: 11/13/2012 3:05:38 PM EST

Originally Posted By sherrick13:

Originally Posted By Miracle_Pants:
You're starting to sound very un-sherrick13 like, you depressed or something?


Yes, I'm terrified about my country.
Join the party. All us free market guys have to stand together.
Link Posted: 11/13/2012 3:05:47 PM EST
If the party had figured that out a month ago human history would have taken a very different path.

Good you got there though.

Hopefully we get a chance to vote on it someday.
Link Posted: 11/13/2012 3:06:08 PM EST

Originally Posted By Bama-Shooter:
Legal pot is not going to make the FSA embrace Republicans just like amnesty will not bring hispanics under the tent.


Probably not.


But it might get the young people to not look at the Rs as stoddgy old cods.


If we don't find a way to win some of the young vote, we are finished as a party.


As I said, start throwing stuff against the wall and see what sticks.
Link Posted: 11/13/2012 3:06:17 PM EST
Originally Posted By davisac:
Never saw why it was illegal to begin with.


Link Posted: 11/13/2012 3:06:33 PM EST
Originally Posted By sherrick13:

At this point I don't care about anything (even gun rights) except for keeping the debt from hitting 200% of GDP.




So we survive a little longer as a country but lose all our freedoms in the process?
Link Posted: 11/13/2012 3:07:44 PM EST

Originally Posted By davisac:
Originally Posted By sherrick13:

At this point I don't care about anything (even gun rights) except for keeping the debt from hitting 200% of GDP.




So we survive a little longer as a country but lose all our freedoms in the process?


Debt gets that high and we might lose everything.
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