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Posted: 6/6/2001 3:52:17 PM EST
I'm getting a little tired of the 'tinfoil hat' business. I've been a lot of places that the average guy doesn't go, and seen things that the average guy doesn't see. Yes there is a lot of mis- dis- and just plain BAD information out there, but the verifiable truth is alarming enough.................... 1. The detention camps exist. I have seen one with my own eyes. 2. The UN does challenge US sovereignty (sp?) Fortunately the UN can't pour piss out of a boot, buth the UN agenda is undeniable. 3. State Department Document #7277 exists. 4. There is a plan for world socialism. The political arm is called, by us, the New World Order. The religious arm is called the New Age movement. Read their own documents. Some of you call me paranoid, scoff, and make a joke of this. The US Constitution has been suspended since 1933, and the US gov't. has operated on an emergency basis ever since, renewed by Congress every 4 years. Where else does the President get the authority to issue executive orders? It is not in the Constitution! Scoff if you will, but first do your homework.
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What is a "State Department Document #7277"?
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Originally Posted By paspecops: Some of you call me paranoid, scoff, and make a joke of this. The US Constitution has been suspended since 1933, and the US gov't. has operated on an emergency basis ever since, renewed by Congress every 4 years.
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Scoff, scoff, scoff. The Constitution has been suspended? I guess someone forgot to tell the Supreme Court that their rulings have no authority. Do you have the straight dope on how fluoride is polluting our bodily fluids and acting as a mind-control agent as well?
Link Posted: 6/6/2001 4:00:44 PM EST
i concurr wholeheartedly with yore evaluation of this situation.
Link Posted: 6/6/2001 4:01:34 PM EST
Paspecops.....most have been so indoctrinated as to believe no conspiracy exists; they refuse to see the truth. I admire your stance. We must continue to watch or lose our freedom. "The price of freedom is eternal vigilance". "If there is not a conspiracy why isn't there one? For it is the most efficient tool in political warfare" Anon It is later than you think!
Link Posted: 6/6/2001 4:04:46 PM EST
I agree with you on one point, The US Constitution has been ignored for a long time and is being ignored more every day. Ya, what is 7277... and if you search you can find the instructions for the right way to make a tin foil hat...that works. [;)]
Link Posted: 6/6/2001 4:07:51 PM EST
Yes, the constitution has been suspended since 1933!!! It was put back for a little while in 1976, but then revoked again. For a brief summary, go to... [url]http://www.ptialaska.net/~swampy/powers/powers_2.html[/url] It is noted with appropriate documentation. Read it... what do you have to loose but a couple of minutes of your time reading?
Link Posted: 6/6/2001 4:09:27 PM EST
Originally Posted By 1GUNRUNNER: What is a "State Department Document #7277"?
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[url]http://dosfan.lib.uic.edu/ERC/arms/freedom_war.html[/url]
Link Posted: 6/6/2001 4:13:18 PM EST
Hey, you guys should sue. You have really good grounds. Sue ALCOA, they obviously let a defective lot of tin foil out. Switch back to the old beanies the new one are letting in the "bad waves".
Link Posted: 6/6/2001 4:14:46 PM EST
I read that State Dept. paper. So what? It was issued in 1961. It's a peacenik pipe dream that every nation relinquish their armed forces except for foces to be put at the UN's disposal for peacekeeping. Big deal.
Link Posted: 6/6/2001 4:17:05 PM EST
[red] PARANOIA IS A UN PLOT, DON'T FALL FOR IT STOP NOW [/red] Really we live in a country that removed a President for lying about stuff after a bungled break in. Another President was almost removed becuase he lied about oral sex. If the "government" can't keep stuff like that secret how could they keep .001% of the stuff you claim is going on secret. GET REAL
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Conspiracy types will counter by saying "Because THEY control the media and have the media cover trivial distractions while the REAL events go on in secret". Or if you doubt the conspiracy then you're just a duped apathetic sheep. I thought all this conspiracy stuff was true when I was a teenager. Read the books, listened to the AM radio talk shows, etc. I began to notice that people who believed in the conspiracy were a little, uh.....WEIRD and believed in a lot of other kooky stuff like aliens at Area 51, gold being the only real money and Christian fundamentalism. The more over-the top they got with their paranoia and suspicions, the more I doubted the veracity of their underlying premises. For example, if they're clearly wrong about fluoride being a mind-control agent or that the gov't is reverse-engineering flying saucers in Nevada, then what makes me think that their tales of an international conspiracy of Jewish bankers is anything but more paranoid speculation?
Link Posted: 6/6/2001 4:35:23 PM EST
I represent the Tin Foil Marketing commision. We are trying to put together a LEGP beanie buy. The beanies will be laser engraved with an unregistered number id'ing them as a LEGP beanie. (Ignore the radio antenna sticking out of the beanie, that is in case you lose it) The color of the beanie will be NON-UN blue We can't post the contact, but someone will contact you to take your order. Cash only no credit cards (banking plot), and it must be the old style bills (they new ones have embedded transmitters, govt. plot) Code phrase - "out to lunch" if you want one. Code word - "UN rules" if you don't want one. The beanie will be airdropped to you by black helicopter, at night. The copter will hav cotton wrapped rotor blades so no one can here it.
Link Posted: 6/6/2001 4:39:34 PM EST
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Originally Posted By raven: Conspiracy types will counter by saying "Because THEY control the media and have the media cover trivial distractions while the REAL events go on in secret". Or if you doubt the conspiracy then you're just a duped apathetic sheep. I thought all this conspiracy stuff was true when I was a teenager. Read the books, listened to the AM radio talk shows, etc. I began to notice that people who believed in the conspiracy were a little, uh.....WEIRD and believed in a lot of other kooky stuff like aliens at Area 51, gold being the only real money and Christian fundamentalism. The more over-the top they got with their paranoia and suspicions, the more I doubted the veracity of their underlying premises.
For example, if they're clearly wrong about fluoride being a mind-control agent or that the gov't is reverse-engineering flying saucers in Nevada, then what makes me think that their tales of an international conspiracy of Jewish bankers is anything but more paranoid speculation?
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Just because the village idiot says that the sun is shining doesn't mean that it's dark outside....... Like I said, the mis-and dis- information is staggering. I'm not a conspiracy nut either, conspiracy is too strong a word. Speculation may be entertaining, but it has no place here. 7277 was signed by JFK. I have not quoted all my sources. I'm not trying to be nebulous, but some of my information was given to me verbally by individuals who have a lot to lose if exposed. Why tell me? Good question. The point that I wish to make is this: just because that something sounds (to you) like 'conspiracy theories' doesn't mean it is not the truth. Disagree if you will, but do so with respect.
Link Posted: 6/6/2001 4:40:30 PM EST
Originally Posted By raven: I read that State Dept. paper. So what? It was issued in 1961. It's a peacenik pipe dream that every nation relinquish their armed forces except for foces to be put at the UN's disposal for peacekeeping. Big deal.
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Yeah, I was scratching my head on that one too.. Who knows what paspecops was eluding to in this document... Rick
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Just cause the village idiot says the UN is evil.............
Link Posted: 6/6/2001 5:10:25 PM EST
Its frightening to see how well all the [b]false-flag[/b] ops and/or "patriots for profit" such as Tom Valentine and Linda Thompson have done. Movies such as [i]Conspiracy Theory[/i], which mix a dollop of truth along with a heaping helping of disinformation have been of great benefit to that end as well. Their hysterical rantings, along with those of many others, have helped to drown out the truth. Now, anyone who mentions the UN as a threat (in their presence of their actions...military or legal) is automatically tarred with the "black helicopter/tinfoil hat/UFO/Bigfoot" brush. paspecops (and others), keep it up. If everyone remains silent, and cant be bothered to look beyond what the mainstream media doles out as "information", we will have no chance to regain those Liberties we have lost up to this point. If anyone is seriously interested in examining the evidence and making their own conclusion, great. There are many here who will help you. Otherwise KMA. [:)] G2
Link Posted: 6/6/2001 5:58:01 PM EST
It doesn't hurt to at least accept the possibility that these theories are true. Better to be suspicious of the federal gov't in case any of this turns out to be true, than to blindly follow what the gov't says.
Link Posted: 6/6/2001 6:42:31 PM EST
Dude...seriously...take your medications.
Link Posted: 6/6/2001 7:10:16 PM EST
Originally Posted By NO-AR-:(: Hey, you guys should sue. You have really good grounds. Sue ALCOA, they obviously let a defective lot of tin foil out. Switch back to the old beanies the new one are letting in the "bad waves".
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You're an operational definition of a "bad wave".
Link Posted: 6/6/2001 7:14:54 PM EST
Originally Posted By NO-AR-:(: Just cause the village idiot says the UN is evil.............
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Your projecting again!
Link Posted: 6/6/2001 7:17:15 PM EST
Originally Posted By raven: Conspiracy types will counter by saying "Because THEY control the media and have the media cover trivial distractions while the REAL events go on in secret". Or if you doubt the conspiracy then you're just a duped apathetic sheep. I thought all this conspiracy stuff was true when I was a teenager. Read the books, listened to the AM radio talk shows, etc. I began to notice that people who believed in the conspiracy were a little, uh.....WEIRD and believed in a lot of other kooky stuff like aliens at Area 51, gold being the only real money and Christian fundamentalism. The more over-the top they got with their paranoia and suspicions, the more I doubted the veracity of their underlying premises. For example, if they're clearly wrong about fluoride being a mind-control agent or that the gov't is reverse-engineering flying saucers in Nevada, then what makes me think that their tales of an international conspiracy of Jewish bankers is anything but more paranoid speculation?
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Raven, once again I agree with my fellow Alaskan. I'm not saying you guys are wrong I just can't believe this stuff. Before I joined the military I wanted to believe that Y2K was when the SHTF. I read everything I could get my hands on about conspiracies and stuff but like Raven it just got to be nuts. Then in '97 I joined the military at 23 and kind of had an inside view of things. Believe me, there are things that happens in the world everyday. I wouldn't be surprised if somebody told be we had SF deployed on real world missions everyday. But I just can't buy into some of this stuff you guys come up with. I guess some will say the government has brainwashed me....
Link Posted: 6/6/2001 7:17:56 PM EST
Originally Posted By NO-AR-:(: [red] PARANOIA IS A UN PLOT, DON'T FALL FOR IT STOP NOW [/red] GET REAL
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From a person that has no AR, no name, no email and no brains.
Link Posted: 6/6/2001 7:21:47 PM EST
Originally Posted By NO-AR-:(: I represent the Tin Foil Marketing commision. We are trying to put together a LEGP beanie buy. The beanies will be laser engraved with an unregistered number id'ing them as a LEGP beanie. (Ignore the radio antenna sticking out of the beanie, that is in case you lose it) The color of the beanie will be NON-UN blue We can't post the contact, but someone will contact you to take your order. Cash only no credit cards (banking plot), and it must be the old style bills (they new ones have embedded transmitters, govt. plot) Code phrase - "out to lunch" if you want one. Code word - "UN rules" if you don't want one. The beanie will be airdropped to you by black helicopter, at night. The copter will hav cotton wrapped rotor blades so no one can here it.
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Is your spell check as disfunctional as your brain?
Link Posted: 6/6/2001 7:35:25 PM EST
Originally Posted By Bohica: Dude...seriously...take your medications.
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Dude...seriously...are you practicing medicine again without a license? Please stop using trite worn overused imbecilic prose to express yourself.
Link Posted: 6/6/2001 7:39:27 PM EST
Originally Posted By NO-AR-:(: Just cause the village idiot says the UN is evil.............
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This has been a message from the Mayor of the Village of Idiots.
Link Posted: 6/6/2001 7:47:33 PM EST
Originally Posted By paspecops: Fortunately the UN can't pour piss out of a boot
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That's all that needs to be said.
Link Posted: 6/6/2001 8:01:58 PM EST
Link Posted: 6/6/2001 8:03:13 PM EST
Paspecops, your not alone, however many of us have gone through the process of reading and studying. We have listen to the idiots that grace the airwaves (for example a group that claim we will be attacked by the Irradians, and they have personal knowledge of it, but they can't quote verifiable sources). We have also stopped talking to most of the up and coming generatin simply because they have been programmed to disbelieve, and scoff at the notions of conspiracies to deprive us of our life and liberty. All of the many faceted groups represented as evil play only a small part in a great drama. Nothing in government or private power circles gets done without a group consensus, therefore by definition there is a conspiracy to foster upon the people some new or old idea that these groups feel a need to bring out. Our rights as granted by God and defined as such by the founding fathers, stood at one time unassailed. Then they were put into a slow moving funnel. Go back years and examine the slow decline of our rights, not just our 2nd , but the right to think and speak our mind. Now if you are not politically correct in certain locations you can loose your job, be tarred as something that your are not, and possibly on the feds side of the equation be jailed. Remember that before the 68 gun control act, you could buy weapons and have them shipped to you without making out any paperwork. The slide down the funnel is picking up speed, and we are nearing an outlet, and I personally do not want to be in the kind of world an exit from the funnel will lead to. There is always a money (power) trail that will lead to a power group. This group in many of their own publications have made it clear what they intend for us useless eaters. One must cut through the babble of those self appointed voices of doom, and examine the original writings of these power groups, then compare them with laws that came out within a short time from the publication of the articles. If you do this you can begin to see where the "conspiracy" comes from. The bottom line is absolute power to control us in whatever way that the elite see fit. When they have deprived you of your God given rights, what will you fight back with??Words, good luck.
Link Posted: 6/6/2001 8:10:23 PM EST
Hmmmmm... You know, it's been a while since I thought about or looked into the conspiracy thing. The John Birch society is long gone, but what better place than the INTERNET to espouse one's fear of plutocratic socialists plotting to enslave us all? So I went to www.amazon.com and check out the reviews of the book that started it all for me, "None Dare Call it Conspiracy" by Gary Allen. Anyway, someone mentioned a book called "Tragedy and Hope" by a university professor named Caroll Quigley which is basically the insider's history of the 20th Century. Quigley was President Clinton's favorite teacher and a huge influence on him (mentioned him in his 1992 inaugural speech, even). VERRRRRY interesting book, and I must say while I don't believe in the Illuminati or Trilateral commission plotting to enslave us, I definitely know there is a ruling class whom the governments of the world serve first, and their people a distant second. This book is the history of the world from 1914-1960 from their point of view. I just started it today.
Link Posted: 6/6/2001 8:42:36 PM EST
Paspecops, although I'm not completley convinced, I am open minded and willing to respect and entertain your views. I think this is the kind of place where those of who have feelings, should be able to express them without beinng flamed or labeled as alarmist. Very thought provoking, I'm interested in learning more about this personally.
Link Posted: 6/6/2001 9:45:57 PM EST
Now do you all see why I don't even bother bringing up anymore of this stuff? I only mentioned 7277 here about 5 times including links and people didn't give a shit. I mentioned the fact at the Iran/Contra hearings that Jack Brooks had an echange with Daniel Inouye about the martial law plan by Oliver North and people didn't give a shit. What you do you get is bullshit by bringing up Linda Thompson who hasn't even been heard from in 5+ years. What you do get is the monkey see-monkey do "tin foil hat" and "black helicopter" bullshit. I don't care anymore. When, NOT IF, this all comes down in the next 5, 10, or 15 years at least I know I tried. All of you naysayers keep enjoying your bread and circuses while you can because if you think you are going to be in the elite who won't be affected, you are sadly mistaken.
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Originally Posted By raven: Hmmmmm... The John Birch society is long gone
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HMMMMM. [url]www.jbs.org/[/url][smoke] I guess we will have to take anything else raven has to opine with a TON OF SALT!
Link Posted: 6/6/2001 11:28:54 PM EST
Originally Posted By DK-Prof:
Originally Posted By HANGFIRE: Please stop using trite worn overused imbecilic prose to express yourself.
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and all this stuff is so unconvincing it's laughable. When you look at it through the sceptical eyes of sanity, it end up being the same type of but you are in a small and uneducated minority, so don't think you can say anything that would actually bother me.
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You are one of those "it can't happen here" people that won't be bothered until "it happens"
Link Posted: 6/7/2001 12:07:01 AM EST
Originally Posted By HANGFIRE:
Originally Posted By raven: Hmmmmm... The John Birch society is long gone
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HMMMMM. [url]www.jbs.org/[/url][smoke] I guess we will have to take anything else raven has to opine with a TON OF SALT!
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Yes, even I have been wrong from time to time. Also, Clinton hailed Quigley in his Democratic nomination acceptance speech, not his inaugural speech like I said in my previous post. Thanks for keeping me on my toes, hangfire.
Link Posted: 6/7/2001 12:57:57 AM EST
Isnt it funny how the veary pepole who talk about the sheeplys, are sheep there selves, just be cause they dont want to belive some- thing. The Gubment has taken so many of our rights away, and we talk about fighting for our guns, when in facket the gubment it taking them right now. Every day there are new laws pased to take away more of our rights, and we sit here bitching and moaning. I am ready to fight for controle of our cuntry again, right now. not latter now is the time. baaa baaa.
Link Posted: 6/7/2001 1:04:29 AM EST
Originally Posted By HANGFIRE:
Originally Posted By NO-AR-:(: I represent the Tin Foil Marketing commision. We are trying to put together a LEGP beanie buy. The beanies will be laser engraved with an unregistered number id'ing them as a LEGP beanie. (Ignore the radio antenna sticking out of the beanie, that is in case you lose it) The color of the beanie will be NON-UN blue We can't post the contact, but someone will contact you to take your order. Cash only no credit cards (banking plot), and it must be the old style bills (they new ones have embedded transmitters, govt. plot) Code phrase - "out to lunch" if you want one. Code word - "UN rules" if you don't want one. The beanie will be airdropped to you by black helicopter, at night. The copter will hav cotton wrapped rotor blades so no one can here it.
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Is your spell check as disfunctional as your brain?
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I only saw 1 mistake in the portion you quoted....and BTW, it's "dysfunctional."
Link Posted: 6/7/2001 1:09:35 AM EST
Originally Posted By Falcon2: Isnt it funny how the veary pepole who talk about the sheeplys, are sheep there selves, just be cause they dont want to belive some- thing. The Gubment has taken so many of our rights away, and we talk about fighting for our guns, when in facket the gubment it taking them right now. Every day there are new laws pased to take away more of our rights, and we sit here bitching and moaning. I am ready to fight for controle of our cuntry again, right now. not latter now is the time. baaa baaa.
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I think it's more funny how you spelled half the words in your post incorrectly. Were you like totally drunk when you wrote this post?
Link Posted: 6/7/2001 2:39:38 AM EST
I've been around the Patriot/survivalist/militia movement for quite some time. I have been a card-carrying member of the John Birch Society. I have worked in one of their American Opinion Bookstores. I have attended seminars with everyone from Louis Beam and John Trochman to Mark from Michigan and David Koresh's lawyer. I've had dinner with Bo Gritz, and discussed how he had personally had helped one of my co-workers who was in trouble for his Patriot beliefs. I've attended militia meetings and training events. I've had cameras and microphones shoved in my face by hostile reporters. I have attended Christian Identity churches and meetings. I have personally protested a "gay pride" parade with the folks from www.godhatesfags.com. I have personally stared down the leader of the Jewish Defense League, Irv Ruben, when he was harassing my co-religionists at a meeting. Not one week after this happened my car was vandalized and my name was being mentioned on a Los Angeles news radio station as being sought for questioning about the Nicole Brown murder! CNN was even calling my house! I'm not making this up! So when I say that the Patriot movement has been seriously harmed by its so-called leaders, who either make absurd claims or who harp on trivial matters of no practical consequence (blue humvees, military training in urban areas,etc), I know what I'm talking about. I'm gonna get crapped on my both sides of this argument for this post, but it needs to be said that this movement will amount to nothing if people continue to parrot the BS put out by the professional conspiracy mongers. Too many would-be patriots devour data about "the conspiracy", but don't have the werewithal to either separate the wheat from the chaff, or to put it all in proper perspective. Take the bible's advice, and seek wisdom first. This was not intended for anyone in particular, lest anyone get their tender feelings hurt.
Link Posted: 6/7/2001 2:45:49 AM EST
I will admit this all sounds a little far fetched. I don't care for the UN for my own reasons. But then they laughed at Noa for building a boat in the desert too.
Link Posted: 6/7/2001 2:58:25 AM EST
No Rasen i am not drunk, I am illiterate.
Link Posted: 6/7/2001 3:27:36 AM EST
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Originally Posted By NH2112:
Originally Posted By HANGFIRE:
Originally Posted By NO-AR-:(: I represent the Tin Foil Marketing commision. We are trying to put together a LEGP beanie buy. The beanies will be laser engraved with an quote] Is your spell check as disfunctional as your brain?
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I only saw 1 mistake in the portion you quoted....and BTW, it's "dysfunctional."
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touche'[B)]
Link Posted: 6/7/2001 3:50:53 AM EST
One of the reactions to posts like this is that the naysayers only read half of it, and cut loose with a blast of sh!t when they are sway off base. I KNOW that at least 70% of the 'theories' are BS. 'Tragedy and Hope" is one of those source materials that I spoke about. So are the New Age writings, which, interestingly enough, no one commented on. Yes there is a LOT of BS out there. The point that I wished to make Is that the naysayers REFUSE to believe even the most verifiable documents. DK, you sound more and more like a Eurropean elitist every day. You are beginning to make me think that your common sense was a casualty of your education. SSgt D, well said, keep on keeping on. Imbro, don't give up, we won the first one with 3% of the population....
Link Posted: 6/7/2001 4:13:01 AM EST
I don't know enuf to speak convicingly on any of this. But I live by this simple principle - Hope for the best, BUT PREPARE FOR THE WORST. If I'm being paranoid, then the worst that will happen is I will own LOTS of cool guns, and 1,000's of rounds of ammo for each of them. [:D]
Link Posted: 6/7/2001 4:23:17 AM EST
no tin hat! read EVERYTHING question EVERYTHING cynicism is a GOOD thing! and you're not paranoid if in fact they ARE after you!
Link Posted: 6/7/2001 4:32:40 AM EST
Why do these conspiracy goons never have any concrete proof? I want to see evidence not her "I can't tell you my sources". These people never have any concrete proof same old hear say or grainy photo conspiracy crap!
Link Posted: 6/7/2001 4:38:39 AM EST
Originally Posted By Coax: Why do these conspiracy goons never have any concrete proof? I want to see evidence not her "I can't tell you my sources". These people never have any concrete proof same old hear say or grainy photo conspiracy crap!
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no flame, just a question: do you believe in God? if so, show me proof that he exists.
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