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Posted: 3/21/2006 7:46:38 AM EDT

I destroy homes, I tear families apart,
I take your children, and that's just the start.

I'm more costly than diamonds, more precious than gold, The sorrow I
bring is a sight to behold.

If you need me, remember I'm easily found, I live all around you - in
schools and in town

I live with the rich, I live with the poor, I live down the street, and
maybe next door.

I'm made in a lab, but not like you think, I can be made under the
kitchen sink.

In your child's closet, and even in the woods, If this scares you to
death, well it certainly should.

I have many names, but there's one you know best, I'm sure you've heard
of me, my name is crystal meth.

My power is awesome, try me you'll see,
But if you do, you may never break free.

Just try me once and I might let you go, But try me twice, and I'll own
your soul.

When I possess you, you'll steal and you'll lie, You do what you have to
- just to get high.

The crimes you'll commit for my narcotic charms Will be worth the
pleasure you'll feel in your arms.

You'll lie to your mother, you'll steal from your dad, When you see
their tears, you should feel sad.

But you'll forget your morals and how you were raised, I'll be your
conscience, I'll teach you my ways.

I take kids from parents, and parents from kids, I turn people from God,
and separate friends.

I'll take everything from you, your looks and your pride, I'll be with
you always - right by your side.

You'll give up everything - your family, your home, Your friends, your
money, then you'll be alone.

I'll take and take, till you have nothing more to give, When I'm
finished with you, you'll be lucky to live.

If you try me be warned - this is no game, If given the chance, I'll
drive you insane.

I'll ravish your body, I'll control your mind, I'll own you completely,
your soul will be mine.

The nightmares I'll give you while lying in bed, The voices you'll hear,
from inside your head.

The sweats, the shakes, the visions you'll see, I want you to know,
these are all gifts from me.

But then it's too late, and you'll know in your heart, That you are
mine, and we shall not part.

You'll regret that you tried me, they always do, But you came to me, not
I to you.

You knew this would happen, many times you were told, But you challenged
my power, and chose to be bold.

You could have said no, and just walked away, If you could live that day
over, now what would you say?

I'll be your master, you will be my slave, I'll even go with you, when
you go to your grave.

Now that you have met me, what will you do?
Will you try me or not? It's all up to you.

I can bring you more misery than words can tell, Come take my hand, let
me lead you to hell.





If you have kids, or are close with any young person, please consider passing this along to them.
Link Posted: 3/21/2006 7:50:38 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/21/2006 7:51:44 AM EDT by slaughter]
You see the problem is this, when the government makes movies like refer madness and then tells us that something else is bad > how are we supposed to believe them ?

Is Meth good, of course not. I'm just saying is it as bad as they say it is ?
Link Posted: 3/21/2006 7:52:49 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/21/2006 7:54:16 AM EDT by thompsondd]

Originally Posted By slaughter:
You see the problem is this, when the government makes movies like refer madness and then tells us that something else is bad > how are we supposed to believe them ?

Is Meth good, of course not. I'm just saying is it as bad as they say it is ?



Try it and let us know.
Link Posted: 3/21/2006 7:54:20 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/21/2006 7:56:54 AM EDT by IAMLEGEND]
Let's see those "Faces of Meth" pictures that show the people progressing to something right out of Dawn of the Dead.

ETA: linkeroo

other link
Link Posted: 3/21/2006 7:54:23 AM EDT

Originally Posted By slaughter:
You see the problem is this, when the government makes movies like refer madness and then tells us that something else is bad > how are we supposed to believe them ?

Is Meth good, of course not. I'm just saying is it as bad as they say it is ?


Judging by this post and others you have made over the past several weeks, you win Arfcoms Official Dumbest Poster Award! Congratulations!
Link Posted: 3/21/2006 7:56:46 AM EDT
Meth is great!!! I just wish the mortalities rate were better, I hate seeing some frikking loser being treated like a hero because they got off meth....just a couple more months and we would have been one loser less....
Link Posted: 3/21/2006 7:58:44 AM EDT
Like I said Meth isn't good stuff.

But I have to ask myself if it is as bad as they say it is.

Don't show me pictures of some asswipe who over indulges in it. Show me a person who uses it say once a month for a year ?
Link Posted: 3/21/2006 7:59:40 AM EDT

Originally Posted By slaughter:
Like I said Meth isn't good stuff.

But I have to ask myself if it is as bad as they say it is.

Don't show me pictures of some asswipe who over indulges in it. Show me a person who uses it say once a month for a year ?



I'm not sure it's a drug that is really used that way.
Link Posted: 3/21/2006 7:59:54 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/21/2006 8:02:02 AM EDT by fossil_fuel]
sounds like a poem about WOMEN, MARRIAGE and DIVORCE!


I destroy homes, I tear families apart,
I take your children, and that's just the start.
yup, right after the divorce

I'm more costly than diamonds, more precious than gold, The sorrow I
bring is a sight to behold.
yup

If you need me, remember I'm easily found, I live all around you - in
schools and in town
yup, women are everywhere

I live with the rich, I live with the poor, I live down the street, and
maybe next door.
yup, there are rich and poor women

I'm made in a lab, but not like you think, I can be made under the
kitchen sink.
there are women who started out as test tube babies, and i'm sure that some women have been conceived under the kitchen sink

In your child's closet, and even in the woods, If this scares you to
death, well it certainly should.
again, i'm sure many women have been conceived in closets or in the woods

I have many names, but there's one you know best, I'm sure you've heard
of me, my name is crystal meth.

My power is awesome, try me you'll see,
But if you do, you may never break free.
women are addictive, they are something that all straight men are born physically addicted to

Just try me once and I might let you go, But try me twice, and I'll own
your soul.
your soul will be owned after marriage

When I possess you, you'll steal and you'll lie, You do what you have to
- just to get high PIE.

The crimes you'll commit for my narcotic charms Will be worth the
pleasure you'll feel in your arms.

You'll lie to your mother, you'll steal from your dad, When you see
their tears, you should feel sad.

But you'll forget your morals and how you were raised, I'll be your
conscience, I'll teach you my ways.

I take kids from parents, and parents from kids, I turn people from God,
and separate friends.
sounds like what happens after a divorce

I'll take everything from you, your looks and your pride, I'll be with
you always - right by your side.

You'll give up everything - your family, your home, Your friends, your
money, then you'll be alone.

I'll take and take, till you have nothing more to give, When I'm
finished with you, you'll be lucky to live.
more references to the horrors of divorce

If you try me be warned - this is no game, If given the chance, I'll
drive you insane.
many men have been driven insane by women

I'll ravish your body, I'll control your mind, I'll own you completely,
your soul will be mine.
sounds like some husbands i know

The nightmares I'll give you while lying in bed, The voices you'll hear,
from inside your head.

The sweats, the shakes, the visions you'll see, I want you to know,
these are all gifts from me.

But then it's too late, and you'll know in your heart, That you are
mine, and we shall not part.

You'll regret that you tried me, they always do, But you came to me, not
I to you.
it's usually the man who proposes marriage

You knew this would happen, many times you were told, But you challenged
my power, and chose to be bold.

You could have said no, and just walked away, If you could live that day
over, now what would you say?
most men who get divorce regret getting married in the first place

I'll be your master, you will be my slave, I'll even go with you, when
you go to your grave.
some divorced men end up paying alimony for the rest of their lives

Now that you have met me, what will you do?
Will you try me or not? It's all up to you.

I can bring you more misery than words can tell, Come take my hand, let
me lead you to hell.



If you have kids, or are close with any young person who is considering getting married, please consider passing this along to them.

Link Posted: 3/21/2006 8:00:02 AM EDT

Originally Posted By -Absolut-:

Originally Posted By slaughter:
You see the problem is this, when the government makes movies like refer madness and then tells us that something else is bad > how are we supposed to believe them ?

Is Meth good, of course not. I'm just saying is it as bad as they say it is ?


Judging by this post and others you have made over the past several weeks, you win Arfcoms Official Dumbest Poster Award! Congratulations!



Link Posted: 3/21/2006 8:00:15 AM EDT

[Wolfieman]

Lies. Pure lies. Meth is no more addicting than caffiene and is even less harmful than beer.

[/Wolfieman]

Link Posted: 3/21/2006 8:02:14 AM EDT

Originally Posted By IAMLEGEND:

Originally Posted By slaughter:
Like I said Meth isn't good stuff.

But I have to ask myself if it is as bad as they say it is.

Don't show me pictures of some asswipe who over indulges in it. Show me a person who uses it say once a month for a year ?



I'm not sure it's a drug that is really used that way.



It is nothing more than a home made amphetamine. Like a go pill in the movie peacemaker.

Or the pill piliots take for long missions. Do they go nuts and lose their teeth ?

Nope.
Link Posted: 3/21/2006 8:04:25 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/21/2006 8:10:54 AM EDT by thompsondd]
Not saying that the following was meth related (story actually mentions cocaine), but THIS just happened a few miles from our house two nights ago. It has the area pretty shaken since most of the victims were TEENS.


3 dead, 4 more wounded, 2 of whom are critical. 3 of the 4 wounded were headshots.
Link Posted: 3/21/2006 8:04:37 AM EDT

Originally Posted By slaughter:

Originally Posted By IAMLEGEND:

Originally Posted By slaughter:
Like I said Meth isn't good stuff.

But I have to ask myself if it is as bad as they say it is.

Don't show me pictures of some asswipe who over indulges in it. Show me a person who uses it say once a month for a year ?



I'm not sure it's a drug that is really used that way.



It is nothing more than a home made amphetamine. Like a go pill in the movie peacemaker.

Or the pill piliots take for long missions. Do they go nuts and lose their teeth ?

Nope.



I guess I meant when used on a recreational basis. I don't think it's used "responsibly" when used on a recreational basis.
Link Posted: 3/21/2006 8:06:16 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/21/2006 8:08:31 AM EDT by slaughter]
www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3071789/

Thing is the government thinks that we all are to stupid to decide things for ourselves so they have to do it for us.

I've had with them and their lies about drugs.
Link Posted: 3/21/2006 8:08:34 AM EDT

Originally Posted By slaughter:

Originally Posted By IAMLEGEND:

Originally Posted By slaughter:
Like I said Meth isn't good stuff.

But I have to ask myself if it is as bad as they say it is.

Don't show me pictures of some asswipe who over indulges in it. Show me a person who uses it say once a month for a year ?



I'm not sure it's a drug that is really used that way.



It is nothing more than a home made amphetamine. Like a go pill in the movie peacemaker.

Or the pill piliots take for long missions. Do they go nuts and lose their teeth ?

Nope.

that's like comparing vinegar to sulfuric acid. They are both acids, but hardly the same
Link Posted: 3/21/2006 8:08:39 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/21/2006 8:09:47 AM EDT by fossil_fuel]
what bothers me a lot more is the 1,000,000+ children as young as FOUR in this country who are perscribed dextroamphetamine (trade name: adderall) for ADD "because they don't pay attention in class". sometimes, this leads to addiction and even dependence on stronger amphetamines, such as methamphetamine. don't believe for a second the bullshit that "taking amphetamines is perfectly safe as long as the pills are given to you with a doctor's perscription, but otherwise it's almost as bad as smoking crack"
Link Posted: 3/21/2006 8:09:23 AM EDT

Originally Posted By slaughter:
www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3071789/

Thing is the government thinks that we all are to stupid to decide things for ourselves so they have to do it for us.

I've had with them.



The euphoria supposedly comes from higher doses than the dose that offers the alertness. I think that's part of the problem with recreational use...using high doses to achieve euphoria. The higher doses making addiction more likely. Plus, I'm sure the manufacturing tolerances don't help (garbage in the meth).
Link Posted: 3/21/2006 8:09:39 AM EDT

Originally Posted By slaughter:
Show me a person who uses it say once a month for a year ?



Yeah, I'd like to see that person too. I am sure that IF there is one, there is ONLY one. I like to see he/she instead of the thousands who allow it to take over their lives and let it become their whole reason for existing. You know, the ones who everything they do centers around getting it, using it, getting more, using more........and so on.
Link Posted: 3/21/2006 8:09:49 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/21/2006 8:27:30 AM EDT by SHIPSNIPE1]
I'll pass it along because all that DARE stuff they get bombarded with works wonderfully also.

ETA: On second thought they'll probably love it since it reads just like it was plagiarised from
some very clichéd heavy metal lyrics.

Link Posted: 3/21/2006 8:11:05 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/21/2006 8:12:00 AM EDT by slaughter]

Originally Posted By 52brandon:

Originally Posted By slaughter:

Originally Posted By IAMLEGEND:

Originally Posted By slaughter:
Like I said Meth isn't good stuff.

But I have to ask myself if it is as bad as they say it is.

Don't show me pictures of some asswipe who over indulges in it. Show me a person who uses it say once a month for a year ?



I'm not sure it's a drug that is really used that way.



It is nothing more than a home made amphetamine. Like a go pill in the movie peacemaker.

Or the pill piliots take for long missions. Do they go nuts and lose their teeth ?

Nope.

that's like comparing vinegar to sulfuric acid. They are both acids, but hardly the same



No It is like describeing white vinegar to apple vinegar > they are both vinegars.
Link Posted: 3/21/2006 8:13:43 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/21/2006 8:13:56 AM EDT by thompsondd]

Originally Posted By SHIPSNIPE1:
I'll pass it along because all that DARE stuff they get bombarded with works wonderfully also.



Don't get me started on DARE. They taught my kids that cigarettes were in the same boat as crack. When I inquired to the school system, their explanation was that they didn't have enough time to cover each and every drug individually. So, they just taught the kids that cigarettes, beer and wine were on par with crack, heorine, and cocaine.
Link Posted: 3/21/2006 8:17:18 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/21/2006 8:18:21 AM EDT by Swindle1984]
The poem is actually written by a heroine addict about, surprise, heroine. Not meth.

ETA: Nevermind, I actually read it and it is a poem about meth. I was thinking of a different one that's very similar.
Link Posted: 3/21/2006 8:18:52 AM EDT

Originally Posted By The_Macallan:
[Wolfieman]

Lies. Pure lies. Meth is no more addicting than caffiene and is even less harmful than beer.

[/Wolfieman]





[Wolfieman]
I am a regular user and I am a pillar of the community, rich beyond your wildest dreams, and chicks dig me. All my pothead friends are bankers, lawyers, and superheros.
[/Wolfieman]

What happened to him? Did he get banninated?
Link Posted: 3/21/2006 8:20:35 AM EDT

Originally Posted By thompsondd:

Originally Posted By slaughter:
Show me a person who uses it say once a month for a year ?



Yeah, I'd like to see that person too. I am sure that IF there is one, there is ONLY one. I like to see he/she instead of the thousands who allow it to take over their lives and let it become their whole reason for existing. You know, the ones who everything they do centers around getting it, using it, getting more, using more........and so on.



People let things such as cigarettes or booze take over their lives. some people are weak. The weak deserve what they get, you won't see me shed tears for them. I just don't want laws made for me because of the way the weak and stupid behave or live their life..
Link Posted: 3/21/2006 8:21:24 AM EDT

Originally Posted By slaughter:

Originally Posted By thompsondd:

Originally Posted By slaughter:
Show me a person who uses it say once a month for a year ?



Yeah, I'd like to see that person too. I am sure that IF there is one, there is ONLY one. I like to see he/she instead of the thousands who allow it to take over their lives and let it become their whole reason for existing. You know, the ones who everything they do centers around getting it, using it, getting more, using more........and so on.



People let things such as cigarettes or booze take over their lives. some people are weak. The weak deserve what they get, you won't see me shed tears for them. I just don't want laws made for me because of the way the weak and stupid behave or live their life..



+1
Link Posted: 3/21/2006 8:21:51 AM EDT

Originally Posted By slaughter:
Like I said Meth isn't good stuff.

But I have to ask myself if it is as bad as they say it is.

Don't show me pictures of some asswipe who over indulges in it. Show me a person who uses it say once a month for a year ?



No, its really not that bad. Want me to post some pictures of alcoholics that have drank their liver into destruction? How about smokers who have smoked themsevles onto the bottled air?

As with anything, the extent of the damage is dependent upon the amount you use. The problem is the chuckleheads who use it use it WAY to fuckin much.

This is not saying I have a position on way or another on the use of illegal substances.
Link Posted: 3/21/2006 8:27:07 AM EDT

Don't get me started on DARE. They taught my kids that cigarettes were in the same boat as crack.

So now if the kid starts smoking, they'll think I might was well do crack since the government said smoking tobacco is just as bad as smoking crack.z
Link Posted: 3/21/2006 8:31:25 AM EDT

Originally Posted By slaughter:

Originally Posted By 52brandon:

Originally Posted By slaughter:

Originally Posted By IAMLEGEND:

Originally Posted By slaughter:
Like I said Meth isn't good stuff.

But I have to ask myself if it is as bad as they say it is.

Don't show me pictures of some asswipe who over indulges in it. Show me a person who uses it say once a month for a year ?



I'm not sure it's a drug that is really used that way.



It is nothing more than a home made amphetamine. Like a go pill in the movie peacemaker.

Or the pill piliots take for long missions. Do they go nuts and lose their teeth ?

Nope.

that's like comparing vinegar to sulfuric acid. They are both acids, but hardly the same



No It is like describeing white vinegar to apple vinegar > they are both vinegars.



No, it's like comparing apple vinegar to 18 molar acetic acid.
Link Posted: 3/21/2006 8:32:31 AM EDT
To the folks who posted about whether meth is as bad as "they" say; I am not LEO or .gov affiliated in any way. I used my share of "rec drugs" in my younger days. There is no such thing as a infrequent/recreational user of meth. Like the proverbial free lunch that animal doesn't exist. I have watched people on my workforce lose everything because they thought they could handle it. I have begged and pleaded and done all humanly possible to help friends who thought they were handling it. I have seen successful middle aged middle class people brought to ruin by this shit. It ain't like pot, herion, coke, crack or anything else we have ever seen. The evidence is all around you if you care to do a little research. Spend 1 night in the ER with someone who is in the grip of meth psychosis and you will change your mind.


sorry for the rant. Just based on my personal experience.
Link Posted: 3/21/2006 8:33:52 AM EDT

Originally Posted By dedfella:
To the folks who posted about whether meth is as bad as "they" say; I am not LEO or .gov affiliated in any way. I used my share of "rec drugs" in my younger days. There is no such thing as a infrequent/recreational user of meth. Like the proverbial free lunch that animal doesn't exist. I have watched people on my workforce lose everything because they thought they could handle it. I have begged and pleaded and done all humanly possible to help friends who thought they were handling it. I have seen successful middle aged middle class people brought to ruin by this shit. It ain't like pot, herion, coke, crack or anything else we have ever seen. The evidence is all around you if you care to do a little research. Spend 1 night in the ER with someone who is in the grip of meth psychosis and you will change your mind.


sorry for the rant. Just based on my personal experience.



would you say that meth is "worse/more addictive" than crack?
Link Posted: 3/21/2006 8:35:08 AM EDT

Originally Posted By dedfella:
To the folks who posted about whether meth is as bad as "they" say; I am not LEO or .gov affiliated in any way. I used my share of "rec drugs" in my younger days. There is no such thing as a infrequent/recreational user of meth. Like the proverbial free lunch that animal doesn't exist. I have watched people on my workforce lose everything because they thought they could handle it. I have begged and pleaded and done all humanly possible to help friends who thought they were handling it. I have seen successful middle aged middle class people brought to ruin by this shit. It ain't like pot, herion, coke, crack or anything else we have ever seen. The evidence is all around you if you care to do a little research. Spend 1 night in the ER with someone who is in the grip of meth psychosis and you will change your mind.


sorry for the rant. Just based on my personal experience.



+1, The physical nature and what it does to the body is enough evidence to show that meth is not a "recreational" drug. It is a neurotoxin among other things, and is very, very bad news.
Link Posted: 3/21/2006 8:37:05 AM EDT

Originally Posted By dedfella:
To the folks who posted about whether meth is as bad as "they" say; I am not LEO or .gov affiliated in any way. I used my share of "rec drugs" in my younger days. There is no such thing as a infrequent/recreational user of meth. Like the proverbial free lunch that animal doesn't exist. I have watched people on my workforce lose everything because they thought they could handle it. I have begged and pleaded and done all humanly possible to help friends who thought they were handling it. I have seen successful middle aged middle class people brought to ruin by this shit. It ain't like pot, herion, coke, crack or anything else we have ever seen. The evidence is all around you if you care to do a little research. Spend 1 night in the ER with someone who is in the grip of meth psychosis and you will change your mind.


sorry for the rant. Just based on my personal experience.



Meth has nothing on coke/crack.
Link Posted: 3/21/2006 8:37:28 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/21/2006 8:38:31 AM EDT by thompsondd]
Has anyone else seen the movie "SPUN"?

SPUN - the movie



That's a fairly good portrayl of the 'recreational' use of meth.
Link Posted: 3/21/2006 8:39:10 AM EDT

Originally Posted By slaughter:

Originally Posted By 52brandon:

Originally Posted By slaughter:

Originally Posted By IAMLEGEND:

Originally Posted By slaughter:
Like I said Meth isn't good stuff.

But I have to ask myself if it is as bad as they say it is.

Don't show me pictures of some asswipe who over indulges in it. Show me a person who uses it say once a month for a year ?



I'm not sure it's a drug that is really used that way.



It is nothing more than a home made amphetamine. Like a go pill in the movie peacemaker.

Or the pill piliots take for long missions. Do they go nuts and lose their teeth ?

Nope.

that's like comparing vinegar to sulfuric acid. They are both acids, but hardly the same



No It is like describeing white vinegar to apple vinegar > they are both vinegars.

ok then. Perhaps you can explain why tweakers DO go nuts and lose their teeth. I know 3 tweakers that are dead, 2 from suicide and 1 that was killed in the middle of a robbery. I can't say that I know any users of other drugs that have done the same. Maybe it's just my area, but from what I have seen, it really does destroy people's minds
Link Posted: 3/21/2006 8:41:45 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/21/2006 8:47:46 AM EDT by slaughter]

Originally Posted By Specop_007:

Originally Posted By slaughter:
Like I said Meth isn't good stuff.

But I have to ask myself if it is as bad as they say it is.

Don't show me pictures of some asswipe who over indulges in it. Show me a person who uses it say once a month for a year ?



No, its really not that bad. Want me to post some pictures of alcoholics that have drank their liver into destruction? How about smokers who have smoked themsevles onto the bottled air?

As with anything, the extent of the damage is dependent upon the amount you use. The problem is the chuckleheads who use it use it WAY to fuckin much.

This is not saying I have a position on way or another on the use of illegal substances.



Again you offer to show me picutres of people who overused alcohol, or people who chain smoke again an abuse .

I have smoked a cigerate at breakfast for over twenty years, and maybe one in the evenings after coffee.

My lungs are like a babies my doctor tells me. Now see the difference between two smokes a day and smoking 4 packs a day.

Anything can be overdone, anything. The point is do we need laws telling use how much to smoke, what drugs are good or bad ? When to wear helmets , when to use seat belts, wait> we are already there and I don't like it. Don't like meth - simple don't use it . Don't like porn , simple don't look at it. I DON"T LIKE LAWS telling me what to do or not do when it does not infringe on anyone but me.


edit some numbers
Link Posted: 3/21/2006 8:42:32 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/21/2006 8:44:32 AM EDT by slaughter]

Originally Posted By 52brandon:

Originally Posted By slaughter:

Originally Posted By 52brandon:

Originally Posted By slaughter:

Originally Posted By IAMLEGEND:

Originally Posted By slaughter:
Like I said Meth isn't good stuff.

But I have to ask myself if it is as bad as they say it is.

Don't show me pictures of some asswipe who over indulges in it. Show me a person who uses it say once a month for a year ?



I'm not sure it's a drug that is really used that way.



It is nothing more than a home made amphetamine. Like a go pill in the movie peacemaker.

Or the pill piliots take for long missions. Do they go nuts and lose their teeth ?

Nope.

that's like comparing vinegar to sulfuric acid. They are both acids, but hardly the same



No It is like describeing white vinegar to apple vinegar > they are both vinegars.

ok then. Perhaps you can explain why tweakers DO go nuts and lose their teeth. I know 3 tweakers that are dead, 2 from suicide and 1 that was killed in the middle of a robbery. I can't say that I know any users of other drugs that have done the same. Maybe it's just my area, but from what I have seen, it really does destroy people's minds



overuse
Link Posted: 3/21/2006 8:43:01 AM EDT
.
Link Posted: 3/21/2006 8:43:38 AM EDT

Originally Posted By slaughter:

Originally Posted By Specop_007:

Originally Posted By slaughter:
Like I said Meth isn't good stuff.

But I have to ask myself if it is as bad as they say it is.

Don't show me pictures of some asswipe who over indulges in it. Show me a person who uses it say once a month for a year ?



No, its really not that bad. Want me to post some pictures of alcoholics that have drank their liver into destruction? How about smokers who have smoked themsevles onto the bottled air?

As with anything, the extent of the damage is dependent upon the amount you use. The problem is the chuckleheads who use it use it WAY to fuckin much.

This is not saying I have a position on way or another on the use of illegal substances.



Again you offer to show me picutres of people who overused alcohol, or people who chain smoke again an abuse .

I have smoked a cigerate at breakfast for over thirty years, and maybe one in the evenings after coffee.

My lungs are like a babies my doctor tells me. Now see the difference between two smokes a day and smoking 4 packs a day.

Anything can be overdone, anything. The point is do we need laws telling use how much to smoke, what drugs are good or bad ? When to wear helmets , when to use seat belts, wait> we are already there and I don't like it. Don't like meth - simple don't use it . Don't like porn , simple don't look at it. I DON"T LIKE LAWS telling me what to do or not do when it does not infringe on anyone but me.



I agree. We don't need "lowest common denominator" laws to infringe on me to protect retards.

But, that said, meth seems pretty bad.
Link Posted: 3/21/2006 8:46:36 AM EDT

But, that said, meth seems pretty bad.


It is deffinatly something that will kill you if not done right.
Link Posted: 3/21/2006 8:47:33 AM EDT

Originally Posted By slaughter:

But, that said, meth seems pretty bad.


It is deffinatly something that will kill you if not done right.



Well so is mountaineering and I do that. I think meth is probably worse/more dangerous than mountaineering.
Link Posted: 3/21/2006 8:49:55 AM EDT

Originally Posted By slaughter:

Is Meth good, of course not. I'm just saying is it as bad as they say it is ?



No, it's far worse. I've seen what it made my brother into. You have no concept how truly evil and insidious this stuff can be. It's his fault for getting into the stuff, true. But there *are* recovered heroine addicts, coke addicts, alcoholics, whatever. As far as I am concerned there are never any recovered meth addicts. Former users that cleaned up before it got too late, yes. But this stuff has a definate point of no return.
Link Posted: 3/21/2006 8:49:57 AM EDT

Originally Posted By IAMLEGEND:

Originally Posted By slaughter:

But, that said, meth seems pretty bad.


It is deffinatly something that will kill you if not done right.



Well so is mountaineering and I do that. I think meth is probably worse/more dangerous than mountaineering.



Sir
I will fight to the death for you to be able to think whatever you want.

Link Posted: 3/21/2006 8:51:14 AM EDT

Originally Posted By fossil_fuel:
Originally Posted By dedfella:
To the folks who posted about whether meth is as bad as "they" say; I am not LEO or .gov affiliated in any way. I used my share of "rec drugs" in my younger days. There is no such thing as a infrequent/recreational user of meth. Like the proverbial free lunch that animal doesn't exist. I have watched people on my workforce lose everything because they thought they could handle it. I have begged and pleaded and done all humanly possible to help friends who thought they were handling it. I have seen successful middle aged middle class people brought to ruin by this shit. It ain't like pot, herion, coke, crack or anything else we have ever seen. The evidence is all around you if you care to do a little research. Spend 1 night in the ER with someone who is in the grip of meth psychosis and you will change your mind.


would you say that meth is "worse/more addictive" than crack?




What I posted is based solely on personal experience and observation. My take on it is yes it is more addictive than crack. I think there has even been research that shows this as related to how it affects certain areas of the brain. I have known people who say they tried crack and have said they didn't see what the big deal is/not for them yadayada. I have never heard anyone say that after doing meth. It is a sad commentary that in this part of the country you would be hard pressed not to find someone who has been affected in some way by this stuff. Crack has the rep of being a "ghetto" drug. Meth crosses all the boundries, from the country club set all the way down to blue collar.

Link Posted: 3/21/2006 8:51:57 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/21/2006 8:53:06 AM EDT by fossil_fuel]

Originally Posted By 52brandon:
ok then. Perhaps you can explain why tweakers DO go nuts and lose their teeth. I know 3 tweakers that are dead, 2 from suicide and 1 that was killed in the middle of a robbery. I can't say that I know any users of other drugs that have done the same. Maybe it's just my area, but from what I have seen, it really does destroy people's minds



no personal experiencehere, but from what i've read and learned from speaking with others who do have personal experience, most of the physical effects you hear so much about are mostly because of the irresponsible behaviors of the idiot tweakers and not because of the substance itself. the people who go on weeklong binges don't sleep, don't eat, and don't brush their teeth after smoking that corrosive stuff. thats what causes the rotten teeth, facial sores, etc that the gov't loves to show pictures of. there are people out there who use it pretty much responsibly, brush their teeth right after using it, make sure to get enough food, sleep, water, etc, and don't go on weeklong binges. unfortunately, they seem to be a tiny minority.

no argument about the way it seriously messes up people's minds though.
Link Posted: 3/21/2006 8:52:11 AM EDT

Originally Posted By IAMLEGEND:
I agree. We don't need "lowest common denominator" laws to infringe on me to protect retards.

But, that said, meth seems pretty bad.

+1. I can agree with this statement. But I know that meth is bad. And in my opinion is far worse than coke. Whether crack is worse because you smoke it, I don't know any crackheads
Link Posted: 3/21/2006 8:53:57 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Soylent:

Originally Posted By slaughter:

Is Meth good, of course not. I'm just saying is it as bad as they say it is ?



No, it's far worse. I've seen what it made my brother into. You have no concept how truly evil and insidious this stuff can be. It's his fault for getting into the stuff, true. But there *are* recovered heroine addicts, coke addicts, alcoholics, whatever. As far as I am concerned there are never any recovered meth addicts. Former users that cleaned up before it got too late, yes. But this stuff has a definate point of no return.



*cough* BULLSHIT *cough*
Link Posted: 3/21/2006 8:54:13 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/21/2006 8:55:10 AM EDT by slaughter]

Originally Posted By Soylent:

Originally Posted By slaughter:

Is Meth good, of course not. I'm just saying is it as bad as they say it is ?



No, it's far worse. I've seen what it made my brother into. You have no concept how truly evil and insidious this stuff can be. It's his fault for getting into the stuff, true. But there *are* recovered heroine addicts, coke addicts, alcoholics, whatever. As far as I am concerned there are never any recovered meth addicts. Former users that cleaned up before it got too late, yes. But this stuff has a definate point of no return.



Apparently it is feasible

www.crystalrecovery.com/Recovery/Recovery.html

Sorry about your brother.
Link Posted: 3/21/2006 8:58:02 AM EDT

Originally Posted By fossil_fuel:

Originally Posted By 52brandon:
ok then. Perhaps you can explain why tweakers DO go nuts and lose their teeth. I know 3 tweakers that are dead, 2 from suicide and 1 that was killed in the middle of a robbery. I can't say that I know any users of other drugs that have done the same. Maybe it's just my area, but from what I have seen, it really does destroy people's minds



no personal experiencehere, but from what i've read and learned from speaking with others who do have personal experience, most of the physical effects you hear so much about are mostly because of the irresponsible behaviors of the idiot tweakers and not because of the substance itself. the people who go on weeklong binges don't sleep, don't eat, and don't brush their teeth after smoking that corrosive stuff. thats what causes the rotten teeth, facial sores, etc that the gov't loves to show pictures of. there are people out there who use it pretty much responsibly, brush their teeth right after using it, make sure to get enough food, sleep, water, etc, and don't go on weeklong binges. unfortunately, they seem to be a tiny minority.

no argument about the way it seriously messes up people's minds though.



The rotten teeth is caused by the dry mouth , salivia combats bacteria. When the meth addict goes on his/her binge the mouth is dry for days at a time, causing no cavities but tooth and gum rot cased by bacteria. Not the meth itself, but a direct result of the meth use.
Link Posted: 3/21/2006 8:59:41 AM EDT

Originally Posted By slaughter:
The rotten teeth is caused by the dry mouth , salivia combats bacteria. When the meth addict goes on his/her binge the mouth is dry for days at a time, causing no cavities but tooth and gum rot cased by bacteria. Not the meth itself, but a direct result of the meth use.

I'm sure the actual chemicals that are being smoked can't help much either though
Link Posted: 3/21/2006 9:05:30 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/21/2006 9:07:47 AM EDT by slaughter]

Originally Posted By 52brandon:

Originally Posted By slaughter:
The rotten teeth is caused by the dry mouth , salivia combats bacteria. When the meth addict goes on his/her binge the mouth is dry for days at a time, causing no cavities but tooth and gum rot cased by bacteria. Not the meth itself, but a direct result of the meth use.

I'm sure the actual chemicals that are being smoked can't help much either though



As I'm sure the lack of dental hygiene by a person who spends every cent of his/her on drugs and not tooth paste and tooth brushes..

For the most part I don't think a person should use drugs. I'm just against government propaganda and lies for them to accomplish their goals and objectives.

I mean it isn't right for them to outright lie to the people as if we aren't able to make informed intelligent decisions. I know we have strayed from the poem post, and apologize for it .
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