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Posted: 10/26/2004 11:32:23 AM EST
Everyday before school I talk to him about politics.Well I brought up the 2nd Amendment.He said shit like "Well i'm a hunter and I think semi automatic weapons have no use."I said, "The second amendment has absolutely nothing to do with hunting,look for yourself."Needless to say he mentioned other things and each time I came with an effective counter that left him dumbfounded.I also had to do a report on the 2nd today for history and the frickin teacher wouldnt let my say everything I wanted.He asked if there was a need for guns.I said "Not in a civilized world there isnt but...." than he cut me off and wouldnt let me talk.I was gunna say that we dont live in a civilized world.It was awsome.I hope I get to do that more often.
Link Posted: 10/26/2004 11:34:09 AM EST
So you're gonna fail History and German?
Link Posted: 10/26/2004 11:34:23 AM EST
good work BUT and its a big BUT dont let people trick you into stating there point, its kinda like the old trap i use to use in debates, But you will partially agree that blah blah blah? then they compromise a little and you nail them.
Link Posted: 10/26/2004 11:34:37 AM EST
Go get'em Tiger!
Link Posted: 10/26/2004 11:34:44 AM EST
Link Posted: 10/26/2004 11:37:15 AM EST

Originally Posted By HighCaliber:
So you're gonna fail History and German?




...and be labeled as a possible gun nut and Columbine copy cat threat.


Be careful out there.
-LS
Link Posted: 10/26/2004 11:37:20 AM EST
I didnt say they insured it.I just said that we dont live in civilized society and that for self defence guns are a great tool in making yourself safer.Also they would help in terms of

-invasion
-big gov. takeover


I'm gunna bring it up tomorrow again.
Link Posted: 10/26/2004 11:37:26 AM EST

Originally Posted By TGorsk08:
He asked if there was a need for guns.I said "Not in a civilized world there isnt but...." than he cut me off and wouldnt let me talk.I was gunna say that we dont live in a civilized world.



There are plenty of uses for guns in a civilized world! I know, because I live in a civilized world! Civilization is not a cure for crime, anger, hatred or violence. People contort every foundational truth and fact, and then wonder why our rights are being assaulted as they are.
Link Posted: 10/26/2004 11:38:34 AM EST
Link Posted: 10/26/2004 11:38:55 AM EST
So is your German teacher as much of a stick in the mud as mine? If one of us is even smiling, she figures we're not paying attention.

Reminds me of when the Young Conservatives debated the Young democrats on gun control at my school. I got a bunch of statistics and rattled them off and made my point... and then the democrat who went up said, "I don't need any statistics or papers to say what I have to say. Guns are bad."

It was hilarious. Through all of our debates, we backed our arguments up with fact, they used their own personal feelings.
Link Posted: 10/26/2004 11:40:59 AM EST
Please dont take this as making me look anti gun but if the world was a perfect civilized place,there wouldnt be a need for guns.No violence would have no need for self defence and hunting is not a need anymore either.Not saying there should be any bans though.Guns are the best hobby ever!But the world aint about need anymore.Its about what you want.And by golly I want guns!!
Link Posted: 10/26/2004 11:46:31 AM EST

Originally Posted By TGorsk08:
Everyday before school I talk to him about politics.Well I brought up the 2nd Amendment.He said shit like "Well i'm a hunter and I think semi automatic weapons have no use."I said, "The second amendment has absolutely nothing to do with hunting,look for yourself."Needless to say he mentioned other things and each time I came with an effective counter that left him dumbfounded.I also had to do a report on the 2nd today for history and the frickin teacher wouldnt let my say everything I wanted.He asked if there was a need for guns.I said "Not in a civilized world there isnt but...." than he cut me off and wouldnt let me talk.I was gunna say that we dont live in a civilized world.It was awsome.I hope I get to do that more often.



While you're in school, check up on this grammatical rule: After a sentence, a period and TWO SPACES should precede the next sentence.

Anyway, keep up the good work. The truth is the light, and many in school, students and teachers alike, are in the dark.
Link Posted: 10/26/2004 11:48:05 AM EST
I know about the space after the sentance and that crap.I just dont like doing it.That must be the tenth time someone told me that.
Link Posted: 10/26/2004 11:59:04 AM EST

Originally Posted By TGorsk08:
Please dont take this as making me look anti gun but if the world was a perfect civilized place,there wouldnt be a need for guns.No violence would have no need for self defence and hunting is not a need anymore either.Not saying there should be any bans though.Guns are the best hobby ever!But the world aint about need anymore.Its about what you want.And by golly I want guns!!



Sorry, but I must disagree with part of this statement. "Hunting is not a need any more."
Hunting serves multiple purposes. It is not merely a hobby or a method of obtaining food that has not been tainted by things such as mad cow or bovine growth hormone or any of a variety of things that occur to processed foods. It is also a method of population control. Since man has killed off most of the predators which used to control populations of animals such as deer, there is no population control other than the hunter and starvation. Without hunters, deer would overpopulate and then starve. Disease would be another factor that takes control during periods of starvation. Also, deer migration would cause mass quantities of accidents with populations that are much higher than at current levels.

Another thing, Ask your German teacher what happened in 1938 when a certain little austrian banned all private ownership of guns in Germany. Ask him what is happening in Australia right now. Ask why the cities with the most stringent anti gun laws also have the highest crime rates. Maybe something just might sink in.
Link Posted: 10/26/2004 12:00:44 PM EST
How could I forget population control!Ok hunting is necassary.Sorry.
Link Posted: 10/26/2004 12:06:06 PM EST
Do what I do...

Clip out a whole bunch of murder & rape stories from the newspaper, and put 'em in a little binder pated to some sheets... or photo album sticky things work the best.

Then cutout a bunch of pro-gun self-defense stories, and put 'em in the same binder or a different one.
When someone asks, break it out, and just let 'em flip through all these dead people & rape stories.

Newspaper clipping ironically make a lot of people see reality. Kinda freaky.

Then let 'em flip to the other section. Tell 'em, the people in the 1st section are dead, the people in the 2nd section are alive, & "I know which section I want my family to be in."

Haven't really converted anyone with that, but they stop arguing and don't have anything to say either.
Link Posted: 10/26/2004 12:10:43 PM EST

Originally Posted By TGorsk08:
He asked if there was a need for guns.



The answer to that question is, "YES".

PERIOD.
Link Posted: 10/26/2004 12:13:15 PM EST

Originally Posted By TGorsk08:
...I said "Not in a civilized world there isnt but...." than he cut me off and wouldnt let me talk.I was gunna say that we dont live in a civilized world.It was awsome.I hope I get to do that more often.

bitchslap your "teacher". Inform them you are not there to participate in their Indoctrination, nor is their classroom a court of law where such tricks are permitted. Either let you complete your answer in full, or censor you completely, but their truncating your answer to make a point OPPOSITE to that which you were attempting to make is UNACCEPTABLE.
Link Posted: 10/26/2004 12:15:40 PM EST

Originally Posted By HiramRanger:
sorry... wasn't clear... you're argument should have been there is a civilized society because of guns... you know... God created man, Smith and Wesson made them equal...


Sam Colt made them equal, John Browning made some men more equal than others.
Link Posted: 10/26/2004 12:20:34 PM EST
When he asked if there was a need for guns I said yes a couple times then he said some other stuff then I said "In a civilized world blah blah blah."I'm to lazy to type it.Yes there is a need in the world.
Link Posted: 10/26/2004 12:21:03 PM EST
The presence of weaponry is exactly what keeps civilization, "civilized."

An armed society is a polite society.


-Fuji
Link Posted: 10/26/2004 12:24:10 PM EST
What is it with German teachers?

Mine would run JFK assassination conspiracy videos during classtime.
Link Posted: 10/26/2004 12:30:50 PM EST
He is just a liberal.
Link Posted: 10/26/2004 12:31:20 PM EST

Reminds me of when the Young Conservatives debated the Young democrats on gun control at my school. I got a bunch of statistics and rattled them off and made my point... and then the democrat who went up said, "I don't need any statistics or papers to say what I have to say. Guns are bad."

It was hilarious. Through all of our debates, we backed our arguments up with fact, they used their own personal feelings.



Hence the nature of debates. Truley logical people don't need them to reinforce their positions, they just need more facts.
Link Posted: 10/26/2004 12:31:55 PM EST
try having an anti-gun chief.

although, i beat him every time at the gun debate, some people you'll just never convince. so i just go with it and show him pics of various kick ass FAs from our catalogs that he should sign off for me.

gets him every time

hence, show the your whiny prof pics of your kewl toys & make him cringe.
Link Posted: 10/26/2004 12:33:13 PM EST

Originally Posted By Matthew_Q:

Originally Posted By TGorsk08:
Everyday before school I talk to him about politics.Well I brought up the 2nd Amendment.He said shit like "Well i'm a hunter and I think semi automatic weapons have no use."I said, "The second amendment has absolutely nothing to do with hunting,look for yourself."Needless to say he mentioned other things and each time I came with an effective counter that left him dumbfounded.I also had to do a report on the 2nd today for history and the frickin teacher wouldnt let my say everything I wanted.He asked if there was a need for guns.I said "Not in a civilized world there isnt but...." than he cut me off and wouldnt let me talk.I was gunna say that we dont live in a civilized world.It was awsome.I hope I get to do that more often.



While you're in school, check up on this grammatical rule: After a sentence, a period and TWO SPACES should precede the next sentence.



While I agree that ONE SPACE is absolutely needed some of the academic journals I publish in are now shifting to only one space between sentences. I don't know if this is a "new rule" or just something ideosynchratic to my field.
Link Posted: 10/26/2004 12:34:36 PM EST
Ya when I get my carbine i'm going to show him pictures just to make him think I am crazy.LOL I hope he does think I'm crazy.He is one crazy mofo though.
Link Posted: 10/26/2004 12:34:37 PM EST
If you are failed or your grade is penalized, or you are harrassed for this, I am sure there is a lawyer on the board here who will write a threatening letter for free.
Link Posted: 10/26/2004 12:36:20 PM EST
My teachers dont harass they just sorta sit there.
Link Posted: 10/26/2004 12:41:08 PM EST

Originally Posted By TGorsk08:
Ya when I get my carbine i'm going to show him pictures just to make him think I am crazy.LOL I hope he does think I'm crazy.He is one crazy mofo though.




That's a REALLY good idea right there. If you have a confrontation or a disagreement with a teacher, bring a picture of your rifle to school and deliberately try to make him think you are crazy!!

I hope your parents enjoy having talks with school administrators.



(I'm not saying it's wrong to show your buddies and friends at school pictures of your gat, but to deliberately show it to your antigun teacher to antagonize him is stupid, IMO).
Link Posted: 10/26/2004 12:41:20 PM EST
Tell him that the Jews during WWII held the germans at bay many times with "GUNS" Probably saved 1000's of Jewish people from the "Germans".
Link Posted: 10/26/2004 12:42:38 PM EST
Nah I just bring the pictures to show my friends and I would ask him if he wanted to see them.Everybody likes looking at the pretty ARs.
Link Posted: 10/26/2004 12:57:11 PM EST
Although this is underhanded, but inform him taht one of hitlers first acts was to ban or register all firearms owned by civilians. So ask him if the United States is willing ot make the same mistake.
Link Posted: 10/26/2004 12:58:13 PM EST
[Last Edit: 10/26/2004 1:07:07 PM EST by 95thFoot]

Originally Posted By raven:
What is it with German teachers?

Mine would run JFK assassination conspiracy videos during classtime.



As somebody who used to be a high school German (and history) teacher, here's why: German language is tainted by German history, namely the Nazis. Nobody wants to be accused of being a Nazi. Better to be considered a Communist, than a Nazi. Or so the thinking goes.

Therefore, anybody who is a German teacher, in my experience, veers very far to the left politically and socially in order to overcompensate for the past deeds of the Germans, with whom he/she has chosen to associate him/herself. As a consequence, German teachers feel especially put upon and worry about getting tarred with the same anti-Nazi brush that is swiped against any conservative, esp. in the academic world. The kind of people that become German teachers often equate conservative politics with Hitler, Fascism and National Socialism.

There are only about 5,000 German teachers in the US- the American Association of Teachers of German is a VERY small, but very liberal organization. Since there aren't many jobs in German anyway, and the positions don't pay well, acc. to surveys done periodically by the AATG, the majority of the jobs go to single people- usually self-described left-wing gay or lesbian academic types. A blanket statement? Maybe, but I just remember reading what the organization put out in its newsletters. (I am no longer a member of the AATG, BTW.)

Even though I used to vote Democrat in my youth, my colleagues in German always referred to me as the "right-wing nut"
Link Posted: 10/26/2004 1:09:50 PM EST

Originally Posted By 95thFoot:

Even though I used to vote Democrat in my youth, my colleagues in German always referred to me as the "right-wing nut"




IN all fairness - U.S. Democrats would probably be considered a right wing party in Germany
Link Posted: 10/26/2004 1:11:32 PM EST
[Last Edit: 10/26/2004 1:11:50 PM EST by EricTheHun]
Link Posted: 10/26/2004 1:18:42 PM EST

Originally Posted By DK-Prof:

Originally Posted By Matthew_Q:

Originally Posted By TGorsk08:
Everyday before school I talk to him about politics.Well I brought up the 2nd Amendment.He said shit like "Well i'm a hunter and I think semi automatic weapons have no use."I said, "The second amendment has absolutely nothing to do with hunting,look for yourself."Needless to say he mentioned other things and each time I came with an effective counter that left him dumbfounded.I also had to do a report on the 2nd today for history and the frickin teacher wouldnt let my say everything I wanted.He asked if there was a need for guns.I said "Not in a civilized world there isnt but...." than he cut me off and wouldnt let me talk.I was gunna say that we dont live in a civilized world.It was awsome.I hope I get to do that more often.



While you're in school, check up on this grammatical rule: After a sentence, a period and TWO SPACES should precede the next sentence.



While I agree that ONE SPACE is absolutely needed some of the academic journals I publish in are now shifting to only one space between sentences. I don't know if this is a "new rule" or just something ideosynchratic to my field.



The old rule for typed manuscripts was always two spaces.

Professional typesetters just spaced stuff out so it looked right when doing the final documents.

Modern computers allow us to type in fonts where not every letter takes up the same space. the lower case "l" does not take up as much space as a "w" - but they used to on old typewriters, or even monotypic fonts available today on you 'puter - such as "Courier." There thus used to be a lot more clumsy white space in words, so two spaces was needed to make the space obvious.

The people that developed fonts like Times New Roman, developed it to to pretty much do what the old typesetters used to do by hand.

The problem is, the advent of desktop publishing and such capabilities caufght the world off guard, and the old mindset is tought to break. Pick up an professionally published old book, though, and there are definitely NOT two spaces after sentences.

FWIW, the US Army dictates Times New Roman font and 2 spaces after sentences in all correspondence.
Link Posted: 10/26/2004 1:53:48 PM EST
Here's some good ammo for you to use.

Real facts about guns and violence
Link Posted: 10/26/2004 3:31:40 PM EST

Originally Posted By TGorsk08:
Please dont take this as making me look anti gun but if the world was a perfect civilized place,there wouldnt be a need for guns.No violence would have no need for self defence and hunting is not a need anymore either.



That is SO full of shit I don't know where to begin. What exactly does huting have to do with violence or self-defense? Hello? Eating?
Link Posted: 10/26/2004 4:00:06 PM EST
I said disregard hunting from that because I forgot about population control for the deer.We no longer need hunting for food because we can now just go to the store.Again,I am not anti gun in anyway whatsoever so dont even try to think I am.
Link Posted: 10/26/2004 4:04:02 PM EST

Originally Posted By TGorsk08:
Ya when I get my carbine i'm going to show him pictures just to make him think I am crazy.LOL I hope he does think I'm crazy.He is one crazy mofo though.




DO NOT, I REPEAT, DO NOT DO THIS. DO NOT UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES SHOW A PICTURE OF A GUN TO YOUR TEACHER.

DON'T FUCKING DO IT. DON'T DO IT.

DON'T FUCKING DO IT.
Link Posted: 10/26/2004 4:11:43 PM EST
Time to take him schiessend...
Link Posted: 10/26/2004 4:26:40 PM EST
DON'T FUCKING DO IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Link Posted: 10/26/2004 4:56:03 PM EST

Originally Posted By mtechgunman:

Originally Posted By TGorsk08:
Ya when I get my carbine i'm going to show him pictures just to make him think I am crazy.LOL I hope he does think I'm crazy.He is one crazy mofo though.




DO NOT, I REPEAT, DO NOT DO THIS. DO NOT UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES SHOW A PICTURE OF A GUN TO YOUR TEACHER.

DON'T FUCKING DO IT. DON'T DO IT.

DON'T FUCKING DO IT.



Word. I had to turn in a couple of kids who were drawing pics of guns in their notebooks, bec. of school policy.

Funny thing is, twenty years ago, I did the very same thing when I was a kid, a lot. The kids were perfectly normal, one was quiet, (as if that's a worrying sign), and the other a loudmouthed jock. Both were just bored with school (study hall).

Neither was a psychopath, but school administrators see gunowners as psychopaths, so, they got talked to by their "guidance counselors", two of the weirdest people I ever met, BTW. I have no idea how these counselors got and kept their jobs, but they were two very strange women. But even they saw no problems with these boys. Go figure.


I'm glad I'm not a teacher any more....
Link Posted: 10/26/2004 6:00:20 PM EST
Dont worry I was joking about showing him the picture.Seriously I was.
Link Posted: 10/26/2004 6:31:16 PM EST
[Last Edit: 10/26/2004 6:31:32 PM EST by Leisure_Shoot]
I wish I could repeat High School again, knowing then what I know now.
I would be the torment of our administration, until they kicked me out, or gave up.
Link Posted: 10/26/2004 6:37:34 PM EST
In a Eutopian world where there is no room for evil in the hearts of men, where gov'ts honor human rights and no one commits a crime, guns are not needed.

However, we don't live in a Eutopian world now do we?
Link Posted: 10/26/2004 6:57:35 PM EST
[Last Edit: 10/26/2004 6:59:27 PM EST by ShellGhost]

Originally Posted By Matthew_Q:

Originally Posted By TGorsk08:
Everyday before school I talk to him about politics.Well I brought up the 2nd Amendment.He said shit like "Well i'm a hunter and I think semi automatic weapons have no use."I said, "The second amendment has absolutely nothing to do with hunting,look for yourself."Needless to say he mentioned other things and each time I came with an effective counter that left him dumbfounded.I also had to do a report on the 2nd today for history and the frickin teacher wouldnt let my say everything I wanted.He asked if there was a need for guns.I said "Not in a civilized world there isnt but...." than he cut me off and wouldnt let me talk.I was gunna say that we dont live in a civilized world.It was awsome.I hope I get to do that more often.



While you're in school, check up on this grammatical rule: After a sentence, a period and TWO SPACES should precede the next sentence.

Anyway, keep up the good work. The truth is the light, and many in school, students and teachers alike, are in the dark.



Actually, the "two spaces rule" related to typewriters. It is now outdated and no longer even mentioned in current writing style guides. If you look, he wasn't putting any space at all between the period and the start of the next sentence.

Irregardless, keep up the good work opening people's eyes about the current state of gun laws. About two years ago I was a chaperone at a school campout. While there, a couple teachers (whom I had known since back when I was a student) and I got into a discussion about assault weapons. As usual the old "Who needs an assault weapon to hunt?" argument came up, and I had to point out that the Browning BAR mark 1 I had used for deer for years could be considered an "Assault Weapon" with just a few cosmetic changes. Both of these guys had used semi-automatic shotguns and rifles for years, but they were misled by the media into picturing machineguns instead of the weapons they currently own.


Edited to fix a wording flaw.
Link Posted: 10/26/2004 6:59:07 PM EST

Originally Posted By DK-Prof:

Originally Posted By Matthew_Q:

Originally Posted By TGorsk08:
Everyday before school I talk to him about politics.Well I brought up the 2nd Amendment.He said shit like "Well i'm a hunter and I think semi automatic weapons have no use."I said, "The second amendment has absolutely nothing to do with hunting,look for yourself."Needless to say he mentioned other things and each time I came with an effective counter that left him dumbfounded.I also had to do a report on the 2nd today for history and the frickin teacher wouldnt let my say everything I wanted.He asked if there was a need for guns.I said "Not in a civilized world there isnt but...." than he cut me off and wouldnt let me talk.I was gunna say that we dont live in a civilized world.It was awsome.I hope I get to do that more often.



While you're in school, check up on this grammatical rule: After a sentence, a period and TWO SPACES should precede the next sentence.



While I agree that ONE SPACE is absolutely needed some of the academic journals I publish in are now shifting to only one space between sentences. I don't know if this is a "new rule" or just something ideosynchratic to my field.

one of my profs is pushing the same damn thing, it drives me absoluetly crazy, and i refuse to do it!
Link Posted: 10/26/2004 7:02:29 PM EST
[Last Edit: 10/26/2004 7:03:14 PM EST by ShellGhost]


one of my profs is pushing the same damn thing, it drives me absoluetly crazy, and i refuse to do it!



The even sillier part is that many word processors remove the extra space, so it's likely he isn't even able to tell, and/or is just seeing things.
Link Posted: 10/26/2004 9:00:26 PM EST
Kick your teachers ass!!! My teachers never cut me off, just like I didn't cut them off. Screw them. And they wonder why they have so many problems in schools nowadays. Most of my teachers where also farmers, carpenters, hunters.
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