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Posted: 6/27/2001 3:04:10 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 6/27/2001 3:02:17 PM EDT by CavVet]
I notice two distinct groups developing here, and wondered if anyone else noticed the same... One group appears to believe STRICTLY in the Constitution, with NO variations. Believes there is a conspiracy to take America into a socialist regime, as a part of the NWO. This group seems to believe that ANY penetration of their rights is TOTALLY unacceptable. This group appears to be VERY steadfast in their beliefs. This group strongly limits NRA support believing them 'soft'. The other group uses two sets of rules/standards. This group appears to resemble the socialists in the fact that they want no freedoms for those they differ with, but still want their freedoms the way they want them. This group calls for banning this, or limiting that, and at the same time seems willing to neogotiate their own freedoms. This group seems to support the NRA, and would possibly not mind 'common sense' gun control deep inside, but would NEVER admit it.... Am I the ONLY one who sees two different groups here????? Am I seeing things?
Link Posted: 6/27/2001 3:07:16 PM EDT
You have a problem with those of us in group one?
Link Posted: 6/27/2001 3:08:14 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 6/27/2001 3:10:00 PM EDT by Imbroglio]
That pretty much nails it and has been this way for years. I refer to those in group #2 as "hobbyists", only buying guns because it is the "in" thing to do and will eventually move onto another "hobby" when something else better comes along.
Link Posted: 6/27/2001 3:09:18 PM EDT
I have noticed it in general among my customers but I guess I have missed seeing it on this board. Its a shame People are so easily fooled.
Link Posted: 6/27/2001 3:11:13 PM EDT
Does everyone know what group they belong to?
Link Posted: 6/27/2001 3:11:51 PM EDT
evidently there's a third group because i don't fit into either.
Link Posted: 6/27/2001 3:14:11 PM EDT
Originally Posted By ARlady: evidently there's a third group because i don't fit into either.
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Where do you stand?
Link Posted: 6/27/2001 3:14:22 PM EDT
Link Posted: 6/27/2001 3:15:59 PM EDT
Who was it that said, "Be wary of anyone that can bleed for seven days and doesn't die"?
Link Posted: 6/27/2001 3:16:17 PM EDT
LOL!!!!!![:D]
Link Posted: 6/27/2001 3:18:43 PM EDT
I think you've been reading to many SteyrAUG related threads lately.
Link Posted: 6/27/2001 3:18:58 PM EDT
Put me down for Strict Constitutionalist. The Constitution like the Bible is the WORD. First, Last, and Foremost.
Link Posted: 6/27/2001 3:25:37 PM EDT
Deny the power of the constitution, and there will be revolution! Constitution all the way, death to tyranny! TYRANNOCTUNUS
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Link Posted: 6/27/2001 3:27:16 PM EDT
Originaly posted by HANGFIRE: Where do you stand?
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i'm a "fundamentalist constitutionalist" (the constitution means just exactly what it says and it is NOT a "living" document or whatever the heck the term is that libs like to use to bend it to their side.) however, i support the NRA and other organizations that are fighting for gunowners and our rights because as individuals we can do nothing, but as individuals joined together by a common glue (insert whatever pro-2nd amendment group you like/belong to) we have more power and a louder voice. i alone can do little. but by throwing my support to a larger (richer) organization i can help. i don't always agree with every stance the NRA takes, but i'm not abandoning it just because it doesn't play by "my" rules. and without that "bleeding" stuff none of you would be around, unless you crawled out from under a rock! [:D] (it was a joke!)
Link Posted: 6/27/2001 3:27:39 PM EDT
Can't you be a strict constitutionalist and a member/supporter of the NRA? They may not be perfect, but what is the alternative? Do we have to agree 100% on everything with those whom we choose to associate with?
Link Posted: 6/27/2001 3:28:51 PM EDT
Put me down on the Group W bench...
Link Posted: 6/27/2001 3:33:09 PM EDT
ARlady, I'm glad you can take a joke. That's how it was intended. [beer]
Link Posted: 6/27/2001 3:36:05 PM EDT
Originally posted by AR in the Woods: ARlady, I'm glad you can take a joke. That's how it was intended.
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see, i'm not all bad. [0:)]
Link Posted: 6/27/2001 3:37:59 PM EDT
Well one of my favorite quotes is: [i][size=4][b]And what country can preserve its liberties, if its rulers are not warned from time to time that the people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms....The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time, with the blood of patriots and tyrants. Thomas Jefferson, Third President of the United States From his letter to William S. Smith, 1787[/i][/size=4][/b] And I belive it is long overdue. Guess what group I fit in to...
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Link Posted: 6/27/2001 3:51:27 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 6/27/2001 3:50:15 PM EDT by CavVet]
This group strongly limits NRA support believing them 'soft'.
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LIMITS meaning they(we) are members, but additional support monies may be spent in other places. I.E., RKBA, GOA, etc.... I think ARLady AND beekeeper fall in group one, AS do I. I didnt say we REFUSE NRA doctorine, but we do not just fall into the fold blindly. We all have disagreements with them, mostly over their 'softness'...
Link Posted: 6/27/2001 3:53:45 PM EDT
Like anothergene says, I see more of a spectrum than any group per-se, it's always been that way. To make it more confusing - most members aren't even consistent with themselves from day to day (That's not a bad thing - it's just the way most people are). The best way I've found to gauge "Group Two" (Three, or whatever) is to pay attention to the ones who are the first to start screaming [s]MOM, MOM![/s] (I mean) MOD, MOD! As for myself, IF this is a hobby to any degree, it will not die until I do. If I do my part it won't die then either.
Link Posted: 6/27/2001 3:53:57 PM EDT
I don't think those two groups as presented are a fair representation at all of the posters I have seen on the board. I think the NRA has let us down, time and time again. But the talk of conspiracy and NWO is one I just don't agree with, sorry. I think must gun laws made are liberals ideas of taking care of us from danger, just like seat belt and helmet laws not from some desire of a NWO.
Link Posted: 6/27/2001 3:57:45 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 6/27/2001 4:02:18 PM EDT
Slave1 - Group 1 thank you very much.
Link Posted: 6/27/2001 4:03:18 PM EDT
Ahh, division among the enemy, it won't be long now... [smoke]
Link Posted: 6/27/2001 4:03:39 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Phil in Seattle: The Constitution was written in English so that it could be read and understood. If the founding fathers wanted it interpreted they would have used hieroglyphics.
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Great Quote!!! Would you mind if I used that elsewhere?
Link Posted: 6/27/2001 4:03:56 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Imbrog|io: That pretty much nails it and has been this way for years. I refer to those in group #2 as "hobbyists", only buying guns because it is the "in" thing to do and will eventually move onto another "hobby" when something else better comes along.
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Count me in group ONE.
Link Posted: 6/27/2001 4:05:18 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 6/27/2001 4:18:46 PM EDT
I always believed that I was firmly in group #1, but after discussing many different issues with people on this board I found that I was very onesided on certain issues. But I have learned that I must be more open minded on these issues, other wise I would be a hypocrite..and then I am no better than the enemy liberals. So, I am in group #1, witha little help from my AR15 friends.[:)] sgtar15
Link Posted: 6/27/2001 4:18:54 PM EDT
It is not about the Constitution, it is about the balance between citizens and government. Any right abriged, licensed, restricted or denied is one the government will never give back. But I cannot say it as well as this: "War is an ugly thing but not the ugliest of things; the decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feelings which thinks that nothing is worth war is much worse. A man who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself." John Stuart Mill
Link Posted: 6/27/2001 4:20:21 PM EDT
Group 1. Radical, pro-life, libertarian.[:)]
Link Posted: 6/27/2001 4:29:12 PM EDT
Among family and co-workers, I am a hard core guy right of Atilla the Hun from group I. On this board, I am middle of the road. For example, I believe all firearm sales should include a background check, PROVIDED THE BACKGROUND INFO ISN'T KEPT. I just think we need to control access for some people.
Link Posted: 6/27/2001 4:57:07 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 6/27/2001 4:55:50 PM EDT by ARlady]
Originally posted by thebeekeeper1: (You're a sweetie and a good sport. Thanks for understanding the wisecrack!)
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careful, you're starting to kiss up to me because i'm a woman. [;)]
Link Posted: 6/27/2001 5:00:57 PM EDT
Since there is no election fraud, then I guess the socialist agenda is supported by the voters who seem to elect even the most blatantly anti constitutional legislators time and time again. This is fair play under the constitution.
Link Posted: 6/27/2001 5:01:49 PM EDT
Originally Posted By mtnpatriot: Does everyone know what group they belong to?
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no doubts here [%(]
Link Posted: 6/27/2001 5:24:59 PM EDT
I'm neither group. I'd be a libertarian, except the current party leadership wants a very small military. That'd be sucide for our country, even without the F'd up foreign policy we've had in recent years, we are still the wealthiest country in the world which makes us the number one target for every other nation on the planet(even our current allies). So I stick to republican, because I sure as hell don't want to waste my vote on libertarian and help another democratic president and congress get in office. Those years were horrible for us. But a lot of the group one libertarians are hardcore pro-life Christians. I am a pro-choice Atheist, and thus some of my ideas and values differ from the majority of group one people. Most group one people push biblical views into the constitution which do not exist. Also, I don't want to be the constitution police, but a lot of messages people post refering to rights and constitutional law, are incorrect. They are actually referring to US code, not the constitution. I believe there is an obvios active effort to make firearms illegal by the democrats, but there is no conspiracy. You can't conspire through public speeches like them. I am a firm believer in RKBA! But, above all, I beleive we should legalize secession, and Califorina should be the first state to go!
Link Posted: 6/27/2001 5:26:41 PM EDT
Group #1 4-Life (and after) [sniper]
Link Posted: 6/27/2001 5:42:00 PM EDT
Group 1 [smash]
Link Posted: 6/27/2001 6:28:48 PM EDT
The Constitution of The United States of America. It is NOT open to interpritation, It is what it is, and says what it says. There are NO grey areas. Stronglt group I. "As for me, give me liberty or give me death" [sniper]
Link Posted: 6/27/2001 6:31:34 PM EDT
What Cavvet said isn't that surprising if you think about it--since the election there have been many news stories about how our entire country is divided between those who take the Constitution seriously and those who take social progress seriously. Since "gun owners" are a nearly perfect cross-section of society, this board would have to reflect those differences as well. The hard part is, the two camps are so different ideologically that reconciliation between them seems impossible.
Link Posted: 6/27/2001 6:45:33 PM EDT
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[Last Edit: 6/27/2001 7:02:45 PM EDT by Sixtus]
Could it be that group 1 people are older and have seen the changes that have taken place concerning firearms over the years. I can remember when guns were no big deal. We always walked down the street with our guns shouldered. I must admit it pisses me off to see the changes that have taken place, especially since I didn't do anything to cause the present situation. I'm definately in group 1
Link Posted: 6/27/2001 7:04:13 PM EDT
Link Posted: 6/27/2001 7:06:01 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Sixtus: Could it be that group 1 people are older and have seen the changes that have taken place concerning firearms over the years. I can remember when guns were no big deal. We always walked down the street with our guns shouldered. I must admit it pisses me off to see the changes that have taken place especially since I didn't do anything to cause the present situation. I'm definately in group 1
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Hey I'm in group 1 and I'm not old (27), I just value my rights and don't want to see them legislated away.
Link Posted: 6/27/2001 7:13:21 PM EDT
I've been part of Group 1 since the beginning of time, literally. [b]But I am an unrepentent supporter of the NRA. They are the 800 lb gorilla that everybody listens to on Capitol Hill.[/b] I would not curse present NRA leadership if it sometimes 'goes along to get along' with the enemies of freedom. I would save those curses for myself for not doing whatever it took to make certain that the NRA leadership were 'true believers' as well. I'm a life member of the NRA and didn't even vote in the recent election! I still believe Charlton Heston to be a noble fellow whose obvious disdain for the easy-going virtue of the Hollywood Left, has alienated that group to the point that he appears in movies, only when the script specifically calls for a Charlton Heston character. Eric The(FromMyColdDeadHand)Hun[>]:)]
Link Posted: 6/27/2001 7:17:28 PM EDT
A division on this board? Let's see... 11967 registered users... Yeah, I think we could put together a division with that. It would probably have to be Light Infantry, and we'd have to eliminate a bunch of officer positions. We could probably lighten up on alot of the CS and CSS units. I vote for calling our base Fort Gene Stoner.
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