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Posted: 12/16/2016 4:43:40 AM EST
ISIS has taken possession of three Russian surface-to-air missile launchers outside of Palmyra, Syria after retaking the ancient city last weekend, two U.S. defense officials told Fox News Thursday...

The officials said the SA-3 launchers contain four missiles each. The 60s-era Soviet missile launcher has a maximum range of 15 miles and can strike aircraft flying at over 60,000 feet in the air. It was not immediately clear whether ISIS knew how to use the military technology.
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I wonder if the USAF will ground the F22s again, and cease operations?
Link Posted: 12/16/2016 4:45:16 AM EST
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More likely "US gave ISIS three Russian surface to air missile launchers in Syria."
Link Posted: 12/16/2016 4:45:47 AM EST
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One last mission for the Phantom!

Wild weasel time!
Link Posted: 12/16/2016 5:02:28 AM EST
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Isn't there like some training required in order to use these things?  And practice?  Seems like having them is one thing, having a competent operator is something else.........


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Isn't there like some training required in order to use these things?  And practice?  Seems like having them is one thing, having a competent operator is something else.........


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With the US and Saudis backing them I'm sure they'll find someone to operate them.
Link Posted: 12/16/2016 5:26:26 AM EST
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We did this when they shot down MH17 over the Ukraine.

You cant just pop in the seat and push the big red button.

SAM Simulator - SA-5 Tallinn scenario


Link Posted: 12/16/2016 5:27:18 AM EST
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The JV team seems to being a pretty good job . Wait until the college guys or CFL level players step up.
Link Posted: 12/16/2016 5:34:27 AM EST
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We did this when they shot down MH17 over the Ukraine.

You cant just pop in the seat and push the big red button.

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It's not like they couldn't just use the same simulator you just posted a video from.  It's also not like they care what they hit since they have a 0% fratricide chance.
Link Posted: 12/16/2016 6:07:43 AM EST
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I don't understand why Russia had such equipment deployed on the front lines.
Link Posted: 12/16/2016 6:13:37 AM EST
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No problem......Unless they can mount them on a Toyoda PU.
Link Posted: 12/16/2016 6:27:33 AM EST
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Maybe the ruskies tuned them a bit before they were 'captured'
Link Posted: 12/16/2016 6:45:39 AM EST
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"60s-era Soviet missile launcher"

Why would they deploy something that old? Wouldn't modern jets have counter-measures to combat those relics?
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"60s-era Soviet missile launcher"

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Probably.  Airliners don't though.
Link Posted: 12/16/2016 7:18:36 AM EST
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There are training materials available for the SA-3, so it's not out of the question they could get trained up on the system.
Link Posted: 12/16/2016 7:21:46 AM EST
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I'm ok with this.
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Go on.
Link Posted: 12/16/2016 7:25:30 AM EST
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Devil 505 feet dry
Link Posted: 12/16/2016 7:27:51 AM EST
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More likely "US gave ISIS three Russian surface to air missile launchers in Syria."
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FPNI

Charlie Wilson is still smiling.
Link Posted: 12/16/2016 7:31:54 AM EST
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Devil 505 feet dry
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Link Posted: 12/16/2016 7:33:46 AM EST
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Go on.
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I think it's a terrible situation, but at this point the only resolution is for things to get serious.  If it is what it is, they can shoot down civilian aircraft.  Disgusting and sickening.  The world might get woke up.
Link Posted: 12/16/2016 7:48:01 AM EST
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As mentioned above.  They really aren't a threat to any of our modern fighter jets.  But slower planes like passenger airliners are sitting ducks.  I'm sure that they will get these things up and running.  Or....ready the tin foil....Russia planted them knowing they would be taken back to ISIS HQ and plan on either tracking the whereabouts for future bombing missions or remote detonating the whole shebang while it's in the ISIS supply shack.  That's what I would do if I were Russian brass.  Just a thought.
Link Posted: 12/16/2016 7:54:37 AM EST
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I think it's a terrible situation, but at this point the only resolution is for things to get serious.  If it is what it is, they can shoot down civilian aircraft.  Disgusting and sickening.  The world might get woke up.
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Go on.

I think it's a terrible situation, but at this point the only resolution is for things to get serious.  If it is what it is, they can shoot down civilian aircraft.  Disgusting and sickening.  The world might get woke up.

Just like Ukraine got serious after MH17?
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Just like Ukraine got serious after MH17?
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I expected that comment.  I don't have anything to say.
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I expected that comment.  I don't have anything to say.
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Just like Ukraine got serious after MH17?

I expected that comment.  I don't have anything to say.

The reality is that they are already getting their shit kicked in.  All that shooting down an airliner would do is make another collection of innocent victims.
Link Posted: 12/16/2016 8:13:42 AM EST
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The reality is that they are already getting their shit kicked in.  All that shooting down an airliner would do is make another collection of innocent victims.
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If kicking the shit out of something for a decade doesn't kill it, you're doing it wrong.
Link Posted: 12/16/2016 8:14:12 AM EST
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ISIS has taken possession of three Russian surface-to-air missile launchers outside of Palmyra, Syria after retaking the ancient city last weekend, two U.S. defense officials told Fox News Thursday...

The officials said the SA-3 launchers contain four missiles each. The 60s-era Soviet missile launcher has a maximum range of 15 miles and can strike aircraft flying at over 60,000 feet in the air. It was not immediately clear whether ISIS knew how to use the military technology.
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Russians decommissioned the SA-3s , that must be Syrian Army's ADA.
Link Posted: 12/16/2016 8:20:57 AM EST
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Sounds like a bullshit excuse to put more Americans on the ground.
Link Posted: 12/16/2016 8:32:53 AM EST
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IIRC they deployed them when turkey shot down their fighter.
Link Posted: 12/16/2016 8:35:07 AM EST
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One last mission for the Phantom!

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I support this.

Link Posted: 12/16/2016 8:46:12 AM EST
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I take it that some of you cheer when Americans are killed  in Iraq and Syria because they're fighting alongside ISIS?


  The missiles were Syrian rather than Russian and were at a SyAAF base,yes Russian in manufacture but not ownership. IS have captured all sorts of weapons and equipment that is unusable to them



This is why they blow up captured M1s,too complex to operate.



About the only thing they can so with them is Wile E Coyote them as they do in Libya



 One of the non-ISIS groups has a couple 9K33s they have been shown driving around. They have never been able to take a shot at a Russian or Syrian plane.

 Oh yeah,if it was possible to just hop in a 2K12 and start popping them off as Russia claims in Ukraine,IS captured  these quite a while ago
Link Posted: 12/16/2016 8:56:13 AM EST
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FPNI
Link Posted: 12/16/2016 8:56:19 AM EST
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The launchers cant do shit with no "low blow" radar to guide the missiles.
Link Posted: 12/16/2016 8:58:28 AM EST
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No.
Link Posted: 12/16/2016 9:01:24 AM EST
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I am sure Russian aircraft have an IFF system to keep them from being a target
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Probably.  Airliners don't though.
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"60s-era Soviet missile launcher"

Why would they deploy something that old? Wouldn't modern jets have counter-measures to combat those relics?


Probably.  Airliners don't though.



 If it was a full launch complex in working order,it would be a credible threat or at least taken seriously by anyone. The only stealth aircraft ever shot down was hit with an S-125,yes it could still shoot down most things.
Link Posted: 12/16/2016 9:05:52 AM EST
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I don't understand why Russia had such equipment deployed on the front lines.
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To deter the U.S. from bombing Syrian military, and helping ISIS.
Link Posted: 12/16/2016 9:08:12 AM EST
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I think it's a terrible situation, but at this point the only resolution is for things to get serious.  If it is what it is, they can shoot down civilian aircraft.  Disgusting and sickening.  The world might get woke up.
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This is the latest of the Red Lines nobody had better cross in Syria.
Link Posted: 12/16/2016 9:10:57 AM EST
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I am sure Russian aircraft have an IFF system to keep them from being a target
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  That isn't how it works,it doesn't tell a missile to go away. Were that the case,Patriots wouldn't have shot down a Tornado and Hornet or for that matter an F-16 shooting a HARM at a Patriot battery.
Link Posted: 12/16/2016 9:19:18 AM EST
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The launchers cant do shit with no "low blow" radar to guide the missiles.
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You gotta figure a deploying force would probably have such a radar close to said missiles, and if Haji could snatch one he could snatch both.  
Link Posted: 12/16/2016 9:28:27 AM EST
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You gotta figure a deploying force would probably have such a radar close to said missiles, and if Haji could snatch one he could snatch both.  <img src=http://www.ar15.com/images/smilies/smiley_thinking.gif border=0 align=middle>
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You gotta figure a deploying force would probably have such a radar close to said missiles, and if Haji could snatch one he could snatch both.  <img src=http://www.ar15.com/images/smilies/smiley_thinking.gif border=0 align=middle>




Sure but Russia doesn't operate S-125 anymore,let alone take them to Syria. These are old missiles supplied decades ago to fight the Israelis.

Russia set up an S-400 complex for blustering but mostly research,they get to look at US fighters flying combat missions every day and determine what they would so vs. them.
Link Posted: 12/16/2016 9:31:11 AM EST
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You gotta figure a deploying force would probably have such a radar close to said missiles, and if Haji could snatch one he could snatch both.  <img src=http://www.ar15.com/images/smilies/smiley_thinking.gif border=0 align=middle>
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Theres a command truck needed too; an SA-3 missile requires a pretty significant emplacement to stand up.
Link Posted: 12/16/2016 9:42:44 AM EST
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Or some Syrians/Iraqis with training on the system are with ISIS.

Kharn
Link Posted: 12/16/2016 9:46:26 AM EST
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  That isn't how it works,it doesn't tell a missile to go away. Were that the case,Patriots wouldn't have shot down a Tornado and Hornet or for that matter an F-16 shooting a HARM at a Patriot battery.
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Justifiable self-defense by the F-16.
Link Posted: 12/16/2016 9:52:23 AM EST
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Fake news.

If you see it report it

Link Posted: 12/16/2016 9:52:31 AM EST
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ISIS has taken possession of three Russian surface-to-air missile launchers outside of Palmyra, Syria after retaking the ancient city last weekend, two U.S. defense officials told Fox News Thursday...

The officials said the SA-3 launchers contain four missiles each. The 60s-era Soviet missile launcher has a maximum range of 15 miles and can strike aircraft flying at over 60,000 feet in the air. It was not immediately clear whether ISIS knew how to use the military technology.
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Link to Full story at Fox News

I wonder if the USAF will ground the F22s again, and cease operations?
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I wonder if the USAF will ground the A10 and cease operations?
Link Posted: 12/16/2016 10:09:16 AM EST
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That's what is called a "Self Inflicted No Fly Zone".  SINFZ-SKI
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I take it that some of you cheer when Americans are killed  in Iraq and Syria because they're fighting alongside ISIS?


  The missiles were Syrian rather than Russian and were at a SyAAF base,yes Russian in manufacture but not ownership. IS have captured all sorts of weapons and equipment that is unusable to them

http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/multimedia/archive/00726/feacf764-0157-11e4-_726592c.jpg
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-8WV78LqtEVA/VEKrGynBpbI/AAAAAAAACXc/7DJHceACBQg/s1600/TABQA%2BAFB-1.jpg
http://www.longwarjournal.org/threat-matrix/assets_c/2015/02/Baiji8-thumb-560x315-5859.jpg This is why they blow up captured M1s,too complex to operate.
http://www.janes.com/images/assets/550/39550/CQAA3Ot_-_main.jpg


About the only thing they can so with them is Wile E Coyote them as they do in Libya
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CpbbBrYWcAEk0oF.jpg


 One of the non-ISIS groups has a couple 9K33s they have been shown driving around. They have never been able to take a shot at a Russian or Syrian plane.

 Oh yeah,if it was possible to just hop in a 2K12 and start popping them off as Russia claims in Ukraine,IS captured  these quite a while ago
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Anyone asssisting ISIS needs to suffer their fate. Period.
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Justifiable self-defense by the F-16.
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  That isn't how it works,it doesn't tell a missile to go away. Were that the case,Patriots wouldn't have shot down a Tornado and Hornet or for that matter an F-16 shooting a HARM at a Patriot battery.





Justifiable self-defense by the F-16.



 Yes but it was a 2 way street: he thought it was Iraqi and the Patriots were routinely locking up planes their operators couldn't tell were friendly. IFF only says "it's me!",it doesn't do complex things like preventing a formerly friendly missile from treating you like it's a pit bull adopted off Craigslist.
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 Yes but it was a 2 way street: he thought it was Iraqi and the Patriots were routinely locking up planes their operators couldn't tell were friendly. IFF only says "it's me!",it doesn't do complex things like preventing a formerly friendly missile from treating you like it's a pit bull adopted off Craigslist.
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I was just poking fun at the Patriots only confirmed fighter kills being a Tornado and a Hornet. Western fighters gotta take that Patriot warning tone seriously!


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It's a SAM from the fuckin 60s it's not like it's some high speed piece of gear.
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Isn't there like some training required in order to use these things?  And practice?  Seems like having them is one thing, having a competent operator is something else.........


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According to Russia, random "separatists"  can use their SAMs soo.... Apparently, no
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