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Posted: 1/16/2015 9:13:47 AM EDT
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Fuck em. I lost all my emails when the server went down.
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Posted: 1/16/2015 9:17:44 AM EDT
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I wonder if the ruling about police accessing smart phones applies here.
And FPNI |
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Posted: 1/16/2015 9:18:13 AM EDT
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IRS Says You Have No Right to Email Privacy By Julie Borowski “The Fourth Amendment does not protect communications held in electronic storage, such as email messages stored on a server, because internet users do not have a reasonable expectation of privacy in such communications.”
That’s a direct quote from an internal IRS handbook obtained by the Americans Civil Liberties Union under the Freedom of Information Act. Scary, right? The truth is that government officials reading citizens’ private emails without a warrant is a clear violation of the 4th Amendment. However, believe it or not, the current privacy laws on the books do not protect your email privacy. IRS officials can legally read any of your emails that are over 180 days—and you probably won’t know they’re doing it. More at the link: http://www.freedomworks.org/content/irs-says-you-have-no-right-email-privacy So the IRS can read your email because other people can hack into it to? I don't expect email to be private, but I do expect goverment agencies to make up bullshit reasons/ways to make more people "criminals". All of this is just one big circle jerk, the news reports it, we get pissed off and nobody gets punished. Politicians say they'll fix it, but it continues, welcome to the new normal. |
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Posted: 1/16/2015 9:18:40 AM EDT
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Fuck the IRS. Fuck 'em! You've already taken everything else we have so fuck you!
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Posted: 1/16/2015 9:19:32 AM EDT
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How the fuck does the IRS have access to emails that are NOT on their servers!!??
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Posted: 1/16/2015 9:19:52 AM EDT
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Lost all mine in a boating accident.
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Posted: 1/16/2015 9:21:40 AM EDT
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How the fuck does the IRS have access to emails that are NOT on their servers!!?? This.. And the only emails I get anymore are spam, so they can read them to their heart's content. Maybe that faithless bitch Adrianna from Facebook will pester them for awhile and leave me alone. |
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Posted: 1/16/2015 9:24:14 AM EDT
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Statists love their totalitarianism. |
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Posted: 1/16/2015 9:24:16 AM EDT
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Who says they aren't on "Their" servers?
What's that big ass facility in Utah for? |
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Posted: 1/16/2015 9:26:24 AM EDT
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my hard drive had crashed, i guess they can't get them anymore
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Posted: 1/16/2015 9:27:26 AM EDT
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Anybody can open up a envelope with a knife. That doesn't mean the government is free to do so.
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Posted: 1/16/2015 9:29:26 AM EDT
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Fuck em. I lost all my emails when the server went down. Yes, Fuck the IRS with a grenade. |
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Posted: 1/16/2015 9:29:28 AM EDT
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Fuck em. I lost all my emails when the server went down. They didn't. 
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Posted: 1/16/2015 9:29:36 AM EDT
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How the fuck does the IRS have access to emails that are NOT on their servers!!?? LOL They apparently don't have access to their own e-mails is what Lerner said |
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Posted: 1/16/2015 9:30:30 AM EDT
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LOL They apparently don't have access to their own e-mails is what Lerner said Quote HistoryQuoted:
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How the fuck does the IRS have access to emails that are NOT on their servers!!?? LOL They apparently don't have access to their own e-mails is what Lerner said Good point. 
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Posted: 1/16/2015 9:31:26 AM EDT
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this recent idea that the 4th Amend is mainly about privacy, instead of being secure in ones person, house, papers and effects, needs to go away...now
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Posted: 1/16/2015 9:31:48 AM EDT
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Anybody can open up a envelope with a knife. That doesn't mean the government is free to do so.
Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Email isn't like an envelope, it's more like a post card. Anyone who handles it can look at it plain as day. If you want an envelope, use encryption. |
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Posted: 1/16/2015 9:33:50 AM EDT
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Fuck em. I lost all my emails when the server went down. in a boating accident |
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Posted: 1/16/2015 9:34:00 AM EDT
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Fuck the IRS. Fuck 'em! You've already taken everything else we have so fuck you! It's not just the IRS. I just watched that Frontline special on Netflix called "United States of Secrets." It's downright scary the justifications the statists being interviewed gave for breaking the law. Oh, wait....they were given permission by the ki..president. |
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Posted: 1/16/2015 9:38:36 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Email isn't like an envelope, it's more like a post card. Anyone who handles it can look at it plain as day. If you want an envelope, use encryption. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Anybody can open up a envelope with a knife. That doesn't mean the government is free to do so. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Email isn't like an envelope, it's more like a post card. Anyone who handles it can look at it plain as day. If you want an envelope, use encryption. Perhaps while its in transit. Once delivered, its a postcard, in a locked box, on private property. At which point I do have every expectation of privacy as I wouldn't bother securing that "lock box" with credentials only I know. |
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Posted: 1/16/2015 9:40:57 AM EDT
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Hmm no secret here, Fuck the IRS.
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Posted: 1/16/2015 9:47:05 AM EDT
[#22]
So they want to read the grocery list I sent my wife?
FIRS |
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Posted: 1/16/2015 9:48:30 AM EDT
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How the fuck does the IRS have access to emails that are NOT on their servers!!?? This is a really good question. I can think of 2 possible answers: 1) the IRS does have them on their servers, they have a division that reads people's emails 2) a different government agency (NSA, anyone?) shares your emails with the IRS .... we know the NSA has them, and we know the IRS shares information with other parts of the government (targeting conservatives and sharing info with the White House) FreedomWorks has a letter in support of the Email Privacy Act that should protect us against this sort of thing. But I think the best medicine is encryption. How are you guys encrypting your emails? |
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Posted: 1/16/2015 9:51:39 AM EDT
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That's some bullshit right there.
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Posted: 1/16/2015 9:53:48 AM EDT
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As far as I can tell, the IRS obtains emails in the process of a criminal investigation. If the IRS wants Gmail, for example, Google will send them through the same warrant process everybody has to go through most likely.
But I can see how somebody smaller, like at small business or another .gov agency, would be susceptible to the line that the IRS doesn't have to present a warrant to retrieve emails. It's utter bullshit, but I can see how it would work. |
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Posted: 1/16/2015 9:54:20 AM EDT
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I'm sure the new congress will get right on this with some appropriate legislation and clean up the mess that the tax code is..........
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Posted: 1/16/2015 9:56:11 AM EDT
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Paging dmnoid!!
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Posted: 1/16/2015 9:56:27 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: How the fuck does the IRS have access to emails that are NOT on their servers!!?? Better question is why the IRS would want to read emails in the first place.
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Posted: 1/16/2015 9:56:45 AM EDT
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so they cant charge you for hacking their emails and reading them correct?
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Posted: 1/16/2015 9:57:50 AM EDT
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so they cant charge you for hacking their emails and reading them correct? I guess it is like John Wayne said above that it is a criminal investigation but the article doesn't say much as to details. Fuck, I don't know. |
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Posted: 1/16/2015 9:58:44 AM EDT
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Perhaps while its in transit. Once delivered, its a postcard, in a locked box, on private property. At which point I do have every expectation of privacy as I wouldn't bother securing that "lock box" with credentials only I know. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Anybody can open up a envelope with a knife. That doesn't mean the government is free to do so.
Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Email isn't like an envelope, it's more like a post card. Anyone who handles it can look at it plain as day. If you want an envelope, use encryption. Perhaps while its in transit. Once delivered, its a postcard, in a locked box, on private property. At which point I do have every expectation of privacy as I wouldn't bother securing that "lock box" with credentials only I know. Additionally, I'm fairly certain the Founders would have frowned upon the Gov't copying every single post card that passed through the postal system. I wasn't aware there was a "postcard" exemption to the 4th too.
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Posted: 1/16/2015 10:02:44 AM EDT
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So the IRS can't find their old emails, but want to read ours?
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Posted: 1/16/2015 10:04:54 AM EDT
[#33]
Clearly from a right-wing bigoted zealot website. I'll only believe it if MSNBC reports it.
/liberal |
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Posted: 1/16/2015 10:06:29 AM EDT
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But....no one cares. So carry on Fed.
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Posted: 1/16/2015 10:16:08 AM EDT
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So the IRS had expanded into Constitutional law now?
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Posted: 1/16/2015 10:17:45 AM EDT
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Dammit man, where's Lee Greenwood when you need him.
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Posted: 1/16/2015 10:19:48 AM EDT
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How the fuck does the IRS have access to emails that are NOT on their servers!!?? This. I am thinking it is out of context and was actually talking about their own employees emails at work. |
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Posted: 1/16/2015 10:19:54 AM EDT
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So, they FOUND all of Lois Lerner's emails, right?
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Posted: 1/16/2015 10:25:12 AM EDT
[#39]
The truth is that government officials reading citizens’ private emails without a warrant is a clear violation of the 4th Amendment. Perhaps it's clear in the opinion of the person writing that, but I don't believe it's clear at all in a legal sense. Seems like the public has one understanding and the government another, and it seems like something that's just begging for a big hairy zillion dollar supreme court case. |
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Posted: 1/16/2015 10:25:51 AM EDT
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So the IRS can read your email because other people can hack into it to? I don't expect email to be private, but I do expect goverment agencies to make up bullshit reasons/ways to make more people "criminals". All of this is just one big circle jerk, the news reports it, we get pissed off and nobody gets punished. Politicians say they'll fix it, but it continues, welcome to the new normal. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted:
IRS Says You Have No Right to Email Privacy By Julie Borowski “The Fourth Amendment does not protect communications held in electronic storage, such as email messages stored on a server, because internet users do not have a reasonable expectation of privacy in such communications.”
That’s a direct quote from an internal IRS handbook obtained by the Americans Civil Liberties Union under the Freedom of Information Act. Scary, right? The truth is that government officials reading citizens’ private emails without a warrant is a clear violation of the 4th Amendment. However, believe it or not, the current privacy laws on the books do not protect your email privacy. IRS officials can legally read any of your emails that are over 180 days—and you probably won’t know they’re doing it. More at the link: http://www.freedomworks.org/content/irs-says-you-have-no-right-email-privacy So the IRS can read your email because other people can hack into it to? I don't expect email to be private, but I do expect goverment agencies to make up bullshit reasons/ways to make more people "criminals". All of this is just one big circle jerk, the news reports it, we get pissed off and nobody gets punished. Politicians say they'll fix it, but it continues, welcome to the new normal. Nothing to do with hacking. Google can read your emails, so you already don't expect them to be truly private, goes the logic. |
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Posted: 1/16/2015 10:27:14 AM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Maybe that faithless bitch Adrianna from Facebook will pester them for awhile and leave me alone. 
You too? |
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Posted: 1/16/2015 10:28:04 AM EDT
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Then all the IRS criminals involved in the scandals have the same right to no privacy. Whats good for the goose is good for the gander.
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Posted: 1/16/2015 10:28:27 AM EDT
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Lois Lerner...
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Posted: 1/16/2015 10:34:53 AM EDT
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Perhaps it's clear in the opinion of the person writing that, but I don't believe it's clear at all in a legal sense. Seems like the public has one understanding and the government another, and it seems like something that's just begging for a big hairy zillion dollar supreme court case. Quote HistoryQuoted:
The truth is that government officials reading citizens’ private emails without a warrant is a clear violation of the 4th Amendment. Perhaps it's clear in the opinion of the person writing that, but I don't believe it's clear at all in a legal sense. Seems like the public has one understanding and the government another, and it seems like something that's just begging for a big hairy zillion dollar supreme court case. Government agencies don't care what the Constitution says or really means. All they care about is what they can get away with. The Supreme Court wouldn't have a full schedule of government officials toeing and just stepping over the line if those agents really cared about the idea of the 4th amendment. |
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Posted: 1/16/2015 10:36:46 AM EDT
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How about this idea:
Imagine a local software package that works with your webpage-based gmail/yahoomail/whatever that abstracts the en/de cryption process from the webpage such that only encrypted data is ever on the gmail/yahoo/whatever servers? does such a thing already exist? |
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Posted: 1/16/2015 10:36:59 AM EDT
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Perhaps it's clear in the opinion of the person writing that, but I don't believe it's clear at all in a legal sense. Seems like the public has one understanding and the government another, and it seems like something that's just begging for a big hairy zillion dollar supreme court case. Quote HistoryQuoted:
The truth is that government officials reading citizens’ private emails without a warrant is a clear violation of the 4th Amendment. Perhaps it's clear in the opinion of the person writing that, but I don't believe it's clear at all in a legal sense. Seems like the public has one understanding and the government another, and it seems like something that's just begging for a big hairy zillion dollar supreme court case. Not quite. To give you some idea of why, read this FBI bulletin: http://leb.fbi.gov/2014/october/executing-search-warrants-in-the-cloud Note that the FBI routinely obtains search warrants to get into email accounts for criminal investigations. As do most other law enforcement agencies I know of. The IRS idea that they don't need no stinking warrant is pretty fucking novel even in federal LE. (Assuming we exclude national security/terrorism related stuff from the conversation) |
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Posted: 1/16/2015 10:38:20 AM EDT
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so they cant charge you for hacking their emails and reading them correct? This is a one way street here bucko! You best do an about face right freakin' now and get with the program! Now, pick up that can on your way out. |
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Posted: 1/16/2015 10:40:05 AM EDT
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How about this idea: Imagine a local software package that works with your webpage-based gmail/yahoomail/whatever that abstracts the en/de cryption process from the webpage such that only encrypted data is ever on the gmail/yahoo/whatever servers? does such a thing already exist? http://www.instructables.com/id/Encrypt-your-Gmail-Email/ ETA: The tough part, perhaps tough at least, is getting your friends to use PGP too. And you need to use it for more than just important stuff. If it's just the important stuff then the fact that it was encrypted becomes interesting in and of itself. |
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Posted: 1/16/2015 10:44:06 AM EDT
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Yet they don't even have access to their own emails. I'm looking at you Lois Lerner
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Posted: 1/16/2015 10:47:50 AM EDT
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Yet they don't even have access to their own emails. I'm looking at you Lois Lerner And she is probably looking right back at you via the built in webcam on your computer. |
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