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Posted: 7/18/2010 6:11:58 PM EST
[Last Edit: 7/19/2010 2:09:01 PM EST by brass]
What Really Happened:


http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2010/07/19/blogetery-owners-shut-down-bombs-al-qaeda/


A popular website that hosted more than 70,000 bloggers was shut down suddenly last week after the FBI informed its chief technology officer that the site contained hit lists, bomb-making documents and links to Al Qaeda materials, it was reported on Monday.


Nice and subtle... Still do not approve, they could have simply whacked the offending user accounts, same for IPBFree.

UPDATED Story: http://news.cnet.com/8301-31001_3-20010877-261.html


Blogetery.com, a blogging platform, went dark on July 9, less than a week before Ipbfree.com, a service that helped users create Web message boards, went offline. No one has said these situations are linked, but they nonetheless possess intriguing similarities.



• Each of the services host loads of user-generated content.
• Operators at both Blogetery and Ipbfree said they were shut down and aren't coming back.
• Both said they obeyed copyright law.
• In each case, those with knowledge of who ordered the closures or the reasons why said they are legally required not to disclose that information.
"We are limited as to the details we can provide to you," BurstNet wrote to Blogetery's administrator. "Note that this was a critical matter and the only available option to us was to immediately deactivate the server."



http://community.invisionpower.com/topic/316097-ipbfree-shutdown/


The following was emailed to me when contacting a member of the ipbfree staff.

I apologize, but I am legally bound to keep secret why everything is missing. Just know that there is a reason and we at iPBFree no longer have control of the situation. I'm sorry for the damage this has caused.

According to the twitter or another staff member they are not updating and there is no intent on them coming back.

Here are the twitters:
http://twitter.com/tomlough
http://twitter.com/catfriedrice

Sorry I lost a lot as well!


All Free forums set up on Invision Powerboard Free (thousands of accounts) have been wiped/removed/killed, as well as the entire blog site of blogetry.com (70k accounts)

http://news.cnet.com/8301-31001_3-20010872-261.html
Link Posted: 7/18/2010 6:14:14 PM EST
[Last Edit: 7/18/2010 6:14:57 PM EST by FRONTIER]
FBHO!!!
Link Posted: 7/18/2010 6:14:55 PM EST
WUT!?!?!?
Link Posted: 7/18/2010 6:15:49 PM EST
Crazy. This just happened over the weekend?
Link Posted: 7/18/2010 6:15:50 PM EST
Interesting

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Link Posted: 7/18/2010 6:17:24 PM EST
i saw this, although I am certainly not in favor of it, it appears that most of these sites were for file sharing and torrents. At least from what I could tell in an cursory look at it.
Link Posted: 7/18/2010 6:18:27 PM EST
[Last Edit: 7/18/2010 6:24:10 PM EST by Tango7]
Link Posted: 7/18/2010 6:29:21 PM EST
Link Posted: 7/18/2010 6:29:50 PM EST
wait.....what happened?
Link Posted: 7/18/2010 6:36:01 PM EST
Did somebody divide by 0, or is 0 trying to divide the internet?

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Link Posted: 7/18/2010 6:39:32 PM EST

Originally Posted By kaneroy:
wait.....what happened?

Nobody will say.

Some say copyright violations, but that is denied in a few places. Some say terrorist stuff, but nobody will disclose the agency that shut them down. Could be anything from illegals to Obama wanting to give dems a leg up in the election.
Link Posted: 7/18/2010 6:39:33 PM EST
Originally Posted By kaneroy:
wait.....what happened?


People got caught hosting illegal content. They got shut down. Conspiracy theorists, doomsday folks, people who don't know what they are talking about, and everyone else starts jumping to conclusions.
Link Posted: 7/18/2010 6:39:39 PM EST

Originally Posted By Lowjack545:
i saw this, although I am certainly not in favor of it, it appears that most of these sites were for file sharing and torrents. At least from what I could tell in an cursory look at it.

This is how I read it also.


Link Posted: 7/18/2010 6:39:53 PM EST
[Last Edit: 7/18/2010 6:40:33 PM EST by cluster]
sounds le torrent ite were shut down and people are screaming .gov control..


or were legit no stealin torrent site shut down
?

edit


sees someone beat me to it

Link Posted: 7/18/2010 6:41:58 PM EST

Originally Posted By sixnine:
Did somebody divide by 0, or is 0 trying to divide the internet?

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ZERO is dividing teh interwebz by 0

OMGWTFBBQROFLCOPTERWAFFLENATEROVER
Link Posted: 7/18/2010 6:44:52 PM EST
There were a few good forums on ipbfree that had nothing illegal on them. A lot were for "clans" in gaming to discuss, well, the games.

I can see why sites that were in violation were shut down, if that is the case, but wiping out the entire provider and all of the "innocent" forums/blogs isn't the way I see to go about it. The provider couldn't be held liable, so this is simply the .gov flexing muscle to show what it can do, I guess.

I do not think it is purely a 100% piracy issue, as most were links to torrent sites, such as piratebay, which is STILL UP.
Link Posted: 7/18/2010 6:46:35 PM EST
There was a GD thread on this the other day.
I can't search GD so I can't provide a link.

General consensus;

*yawn*
Link Posted: 7/18/2010 6:48:22 PM EST
A good citizen would just be thankful it wasn't their website.
Link Posted: 7/18/2010 6:51:53 PM EST
Well guess what.......






Destroying printing presses?


Yep.



Keep safe all.








Link Posted: 7/18/2010 6:53:03 PM EST
[Last Edit: 7/18/2010 6:53:28 PM EST by Lowjack545]
Originally Posted By 1776-1865_RIP:
A good citizen would just be thankful it wasn't their website.


It has to start somewhere; the torrentors and file sharers have the least grounds to complain, so there wont be much fuss.

But like anything government starts to do, it will grow and there will certainly be more I am sure.
Link Posted: 7/18/2010 6:55:47 PM EST
Free speech is tolerant speech.

Hate speech will not be tolerated.
Link Posted: 7/18/2010 7:19:07 PM EST
[Last Edit: 7/18/2010 7:19:52 PM EST by Dave_A]

Originally Posted By Lowjack545:
Originally Posted By 1776-1865_RIP:
A good citizen would just be thankful it wasn't their website.


It has to start somewhere; the torrentors and file sharers have the least grounds to complain, so there wont be much fuss.

But like anything government starts to do, it will grow and there will certainly be more I am sure.



A good citizen would not be running a pirate website... And thus would not have their site shut down for copyright violations...

They have no reason or legal grounds to shut down non-law-breaking websites...

Pirate sites getting shut down is nothing new, that's been happening as long as pirates have been running websites...



Link Posted: 7/18/2010 8:26:45 PM EST
Fahrenheit 255.0.0.0
Link Posted: 7/18/2010 8:28:48 PM EST
And so it began.

Link Posted: 7/18/2010 8:33:43 PM EST
Originally Posted By 1IV:
Well guess what.......






Destroying printing presses?


Yep.



Keep safe all.










Link Posted: 7/18/2010 8:37:38 PM EST

Originally Posted By Arlis:
Fahrenheit 255.0.0.0


Link Posted: 7/18/2010 8:39:05 PM EST
IBAD

In before arfcom disappears :(

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Link Posted: 7/18/2010 8:39:25 PM EST
Originally Posted By Dave_A:

Originally Posted By Lowjack545:
Originally Posted By 1776-1865_RIP:
A good citizen would just be thankful it wasn't their website.


It has to start somewhere; the torrentors and file sharers have the least grounds to complain, so there wont be much fuss.

But like anything government starts to do, it will grow and there will certainly be more I am sure.



A good citizen would not be running a pirate website... And thus would not have their site shut down for copyright violations...

They have no reason or legal grounds to shut down non-law-breaking websites...

Pirate sites getting shut down is nothing new, that's been happening as long as pirates have been running websites...





But torrent sites don't host any copyrighted content, same thing with most direct download sites, they just link to it.

People violate copyright law on arfcom all the time. Ever post a screen cap from a movie? Illegal. Yeah we would say it's fair use, but the MPAA sure won't.


Link Posted: 7/18/2010 8:54:24 PM EST
Do we...gulp.....have a web rally point in case of zombie web attack, and ARFCOM is taken out by the bad guys?
Link Posted: 7/18/2010 9:08:39 PM EST
Nothing good can come from this type of control.

Link Posted: 7/18/2010 9:35:54 PM EST
[Last Edit: 7/18/2010 9:40:06 PM EST by brass]
Added update:


Blogetery.com, a blogging platform, went dark on July 9, less than a week before Ipbfree.com, a service that helped users create Web message boards, went offline. No one has said these situations are linked, but they nonetheless possess intriguing similarities.



• Each of the services host loads of user-generated content.
• Operators at both Blogetery and Ipbfree said they were shut down and aren't coming back.
• Both said they obeyed copyright law.
• In each case, those with knowledge of who ordered the closures or the reasons why said they are legally required not to disclose that information.
"We are limited as to the details we can provide to you," BurstNet wrote to Blogetery's administrator. "Note that this was a critical matter and the only available option to us was to immediately deactivate the server."





Usually MPAA/RIAA would have been spinning their "Victory" in the news about this if it was a file sharing issue. They use scare tactics to dissuade others. That doesn't seem to be the case here at all, especially with the "Shut Up" clauses....



... spokespeople for the Motion Picture Association of America and the Recording Industry Association of America also told CNET they didn't know anything about Blogetery. Besides, it is nearly unheard of that a copyright complaint from either of those two trade groups would mean almost instantaneous shut down of a site. ...

What really has some observers scratching their heads is that it's unclear under what circumstance a law enforcement group could walk in and order an Internet host to boot a customer off the Web without any apparent warning or court order?

Was there due process?
None of this makes sense, according to one law enforcement official with experience in cybercrime investigations who wasn't connected to the cases but wished to be anonymous because he is isn't authorized to speak on the matter.

He said that he didn't know of any agency that had the authority to terminate service for thousands of people without essentially jumping through all kinds of legal hoops. Not even federal officials in child pornography investigations can immediately shut down hosting services.







Link Posted: 7/18/2010 9:40:38 PM EST

Originally Posted By turdferguson:
Originally Posted By Dave_A:

Originally Posted By Lowjack545:
Originally Posted By 1776-1865_RIP:
A good citizen would just be thankful it wasn't their website.


It has to start somewhere; the torrentors and file sharers have the least grounds to complain, so there wont be much fuss.

But like anything government starts to do, it will grow and there will certainly be more I am sure.



A good citizen would not be running a pirate website... And thus would not have their site shut down for copyright violations...

They have no reason or legal grounds to shut down non-law-breaking websites...

Pirate sites getting shut down is nothing new, that's been happening as long as pirates have been running websites...





But torrent sites don't host any copyrighted content, same thing with most direct download sites, they just link to it.

People violate copyright law on arfcom all the time. Ever post a screen cap from a movie? Illegal. Yeah we would say it's fair use, but the MPAA sure won't.



The linking/just-pointing to defense hasn't helped isohunt or Limewire....

And MPAA seems to respect 'fair use' just enough to let clips/shorts get posted on YouTube without 'issue'....
Link Posted: 7/18/2010 9:43:55 PM EST

Originally Posted By brass:
There were a few good forums on ipbfree that had nothing illegal on them. A lot were for "clans" in gaming to discuss, well, the games.

I can see why sites that were in violation were shut down, if that is the case, but wiping out the entire provider and all of the "innocent" forums/blogs isn't the way I see to go about it. The provider couldn't be held liable, so this is simply the .gov flexing muscle to show what it can do, I guess.

I do not think it is purely a 100% piracy issue, as most were links to torrent sites, such as piratebay, which is STILL UP.

haven't you learned yet. the innocent pay for the guilty in this country. ESPECIALLY if the innocent are hosting content that is not favorable to the fucking liberal commies.
Link Posted: 7/18/2010 9:45:12 PM EST
Originally Posted By Dave_A:

Originally Posted By turdferguson:
Originally Posted By Dave_A:

Originally Posted By Lowjack545:
Originally Posted By 1776-1865_RIP:
A good citizen would just be thankful it wasn't their website.


It has to start somewhere; the torrentors and file sharers have the least grounds to complain, so there wont be much fuss.

But like anything government starts to do, it will grow and there will certainly be more I am sure.



A good citizen would not be running a pirate website... And thus would not have their site shut down for copyright violations...

They have no reason or legal grounds to shut down non-law-breaking websites...

Pirate sites getting shut down is nothing new, that's been happening as long as pirates have been running websites...





But torrent sites don't host any copyrighted content, same thing with most direct download sites, they just link to it.

People violate copyright law on arfcom all the time. Ever post a screen cap from a movie? Illegal. Yeah we would say it's fair use, but the MPAA sure won't.



The linking/just-pointing to defense hasn't helped isohunt or Limewire....

And MPAA seems to respect 'fair use' just enough to let clips/shorts get posted on YouTube without 'issue'....


Do people who own apartment complexes get in trouble for the tenants misdeeds, for example, drug possession?

Link Posted: 7/18/2010 10:00:35 PM EST

Originally Posted By LuckyDucky:
Originally Posted By Dave_A:

Originally Posted By turdferguson:
Originally Posted By Dave_A:

Originally Posted By Lowjack545:
Originally Posted By 1776-1865_RIP:
A good citizen would just be thankful it wasn't their website.


It has to start somewhere; the torrentors and file sharers have the least grounds to complain, so there wont be much fuss.

But like anything government starts to do, it will grow and there will certainly be more I am sure.



A good citizen would not be running a pirate website... And thus would not have their site shut down for copyright violations...

They have no reason or legal grounds to shut down non-law-breaking websites...

Pirate sites getting shut down is nothing new, that's been happening as long as pirates have been running websites...





But torrent sites don't host any copyrighted content, same thing with most direct download sites, they just link to it.

People violate copyright law on arfcom all the time. Ever post a screen cap from a movie? Illegal. Yeah we would say it's fair use, but the MPAA sure won't.



The linking/just-pointing to defense hasn't helped isohunt or Limewire....

And MPAA seems to respect 'fair use' just enough to let clips/shorts get posted on YouTube without 'issue'....


Do people who own apartment complexes get in trouble for the tenants misdeeds, for example, drug possession?

thats not so much the problem. the problem is no one is saying why and no one is letting anything out. this is a very unusual way to be doing it if its just shutting down pirating websites. 70,000 blogs and other sites? thats... fishy..

Link Posted: 7/18/2010 10:05:31 PM EST
[Last Edit: 7/18/2010 10:06:37 PM EST by Cypher15]

Originally Posted By hondaciv:
Originally Posted By kaneroy:
wait.....what happened?


People got caught hosting illegal content. They got shut down. Conspiracy theorists, doomsday folks, people who don't know what they are talking about, and everyone else starts jumping to conclusions.
which people, the bloggers or the company itself?
if the company, why destroy 70,000 blogs etc without notice.

if the bloggers, why direct a "total war" mentality about it?
Link Posted: 7/18/2010 10:07:32 PM EST
[Last Edit: 7/18/2010 10:09:17 PM EST by distributor_of_pain]

Patriot act in effect?
They can't say why it was taken over by the .gov?

sounds like it to me.

Link Posted: 7/18/2010 10:59:23 PM EST
Originally Posted By Dave_A:

Originally Posted By Lowjack545:
Originally Posted By 1776-1865_RIP:
A good citizen would just be thankful it wasn't their website.


It has to start somewhere; the torrentors and file sharers have the least grounds to complain, so there wont be much fuss.

But like anything government starts to do, it will grow and there will certainly be more I am sure.



A good citizen would not be running a pirate website... And thus would not have their site shut down for copyright violations...

They have no reason or legal grounds to shut down non-law-breaking websites...

Pirate sites getting shut down is nothing new, that's been happening as long as pirates have been running websites...





You, as usual, have no idea what you're talking about.

This was a forum service. It was not creating or providing any illegal content, SOME of the users were. What you're doing is the same as calling Craigslist or Facebook criminal companies because some of their users post pirated material.
Link Posted: 7/18/2010 11:49:23 PM EST
In the information war, the communists have just taken one of our armories. Interesting. Probably won't generate much griping beyond places like this. I wonder what they have on the service owners to force their silence. Something they care a lot about. Money or Jailtime I wonder.....

One more granule of the 1ST Ammendment has just been torched.

And this is the only place I've seen anything about it.
Link Posted: 7/18/2010 11:57:22 PM EST
I heard MPAA backed up by the FBI and a warrant. Fansubs hosted on Megavideo/Ninja whatever...

There's been several other "TV Fan sites" nuked over the past several months...

I'm getting my info off of slashdot and efnet... "I heard it on the internet! It must be true!" - Right?
Link Posted: 7/19/2010 6:56:12 AM EST
One story on this had the Dept of Homeland Security seal for the graphic, does anybody know for sure which agency?

Link Posted: 7/19/2010 2:08:03 PM EST
Finally, some info...

http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2010/07/19/blogetery-owners-shut-down-bombs-al-qaeda/


A popular website that hosted more than 70,000 bloggers was shut down suddenly last week after the FBI informed its chief technology officer that the site contained hit lists, bomb-making documents and links to Al Qaeda materials, it was reported on Monday.


Nice and subtle... Still do not approve, they could have simply whacked the offending user accounts, same for IPBFree.
Link Posted: 7/19/2010 2:53:49 PM EST
First to go is the free speech??? I would have thought they would have gone after the guns first. I guess that makes sense though. If arfcom goes dark, how do we get ahold of each other???
Link Posted: 7/19/2010 3:01:00 PM EST
That's really fucked up
Link Posted: 7/19/2010 3:05:00 PM EST
First amendment version of gun confiscation: you can't have this particular version of free speech because bad guys have used it too, no you can't get back what you and others had invested in it either but you can start all over again with a similar tool.
Link Posted: 7/19/2010 3:06:11 PM EST
Originally Posted By sixnine:
Did somebody divide by 0, or is 0 trying to divide the internet?

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i accidentally by 0 the whole thing

Link Posted: 7/19/2010 3:09:27 PM EST
Originally Posted By Dave_A:

Originally Posted By Lowjack545:
Originally Posted By 1776-1865_RIP:
A good citizen would just be thankful it wasn't their website.


It has to start somewhere; the torrentors and file sharers have the least grounds to complain, so there wont be much fuss.

But like anything government starts to do, it will grow and there will certainly be more I am sure.



A good citizen would not be running a pirate website... And thus would not have their site shut down for copyright violations...

They have no reason or legal grounds to shut down non-law-breaking websites...

Pirate sites getting shut down is nothing new, that's been happening as long as pirates have been running websites...





tell that to the judge
Link Posted: 7/19/2010 5:18:38 PM EST

Originally Posted By MarkNH:
First amendment version of gun confiscation: you can't have this particular version of free speech because bad guys have used it too, no you can't get back what you and others had invested in it either but you can start all over again with a similar tool.

Basically this.

What they did is akin to shutting down all of YouTube forever, deleting all content, because there were 100 videos that had something like bomb making instructions and some code words in them.
Link Posted: 7/19/2010 5:20:19 PM EST

Originally Posted By brass:

Originally Posted By MarkNH:
First amendment version of gun confiscation: you can't have this particular version of free speech because bad guys have used it too, no you can't get back what you and others had invested in it either but you can start all over again with a similar tool.

Basically this.

What they did is akin to shutting down all of YouTube forever, deleting all content, because allegedly there were 100 videos that had something like bomb making instructions and some code words in them.


Link Posted: 7/19/2010 5:25:00 PM EST
But - Dave_A and our LEO friends say that those of us who fear and distrust the government are Alex Jones lunatics and that the government would NEVER do something like this, especially doing so was unConstitutional!!! WTF?
Link Posted: 7/19/2010 8:48:14 PM EST

Originally Posted By TheKill:
But - Dave_A and our LEO friends say that those of us who fear and distrust the government are Alex Jones lunatics and that the government would NEVER do something like this, especially doing so was unConstitutional!!! WTF?

From the wording of the article, we probably would have never found out about it if cnet didn't get on the story and stay with it.
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