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Posted: 10/19/2008 12:56:20 PM EST
For those folks who have done FTF transfers (if legal in your state), do you ask for ID?

I see the risks of NOT asking for ID would be that one party is actually from another state, or has criminal tendencies.
Link Posted: 10/19/2008 12:57:22 PM EST
No. YLLMV.
Link Posted: 10/19/2008 12:58:04 PM EST

Originally Posted By Mazeman:
For those folks who have done FTF transfers (if legal in your state), do you ask for ID?

I see the risks of NOT asking for ID would be that one party is actually from another state, or has criminal tendencies.


criminals have ID too.
Link Posted: 10/19/2008 12:59:27 PM EST
The law doesn't require you to verify anything. I don't really see the purpose in doing more than the law asks.
Link Posted: 10/19/2008 12:59:36 PM EST
You won't know if they are a criminal, but you are required to be sure of their home state.
Link Posted: 10/19/2008 12:59:43 PM EST
Link Posted: 10/19/2008 1:00:55 PM EST
Nope.
Link Posted: 10/19/2008 1:01:37 PM EST
Nah, in KS anyone can buy a handgun from a non-licensed dealer at 18. Just gotta make sure they're from Kansas.
Link Posted: 10/19/2008 1:04:15 PM EST
[Last Edit: 10/19/2008 1:05:24 PM EST by Gravity_Tester]
Depends. If someone seems hinky, chances are I'll ask to see ID. If they balk at that, then no sale.

Almost all of my guns have been purchased FTF-in fact, I just swapped a Maverick 88 for a P3AT with the hard chrome finish this morning. If someone sets off your radar, don't go through with the sale. A couple of times I've backed out because the other guy seemed questionable.

Also, here in AZ, you only have to be 18 to buy a pistol FTF. You just can't buy from an FFL. You can open carry at 18 as well.
Link Posted: 10/19/2008 1:04:48 PM EST
I don't ID. I've had some ID me before but big deal.
Link Posted: 10/19/2008 1:05:10 PM EST
I picked no cuz the only people I buy from are people I know and I don't need to see ID.

Also...I have never sold a gun ever....and don't want to! I hope to have a fun collection some day.
Link Posted: 10/19/2008 1:07:29 PM EST
I only do my FTF's in an alley in the middle of the night, while wearing a trenchcoat..
Link Posted: 10/19/2008 1:11:25 PM EST
Due diligence. Resident of state and 21.
Link Posted: 10/19/2008 1:13:33 PM EST
All I ever ask to see is a valid Indiana License to Carry, let the State Police worry about their background.

I've had a couple people bitch about that so I figure they've got some kind of "background" problem and I won't sell to them.
Link Posted: 10/19/2008 1:21:05 PM EST
Yup. I ask to see DL, look at it to see state of residence and birthday, then give it back.
Link Posted: 10/19/2008 1:22:18 PM EST
Only if something seems out of place, ID may put my fears to rest. Otherwise NO.
Link Posted: 10/19/2008 1:33:49 PM EST
Link Posted: 10/19/2008 1:34:57 PM EST
I wasn't asked. Gave cash, got gun. Simple.
Link Posted: 10/19/2008 1:39:38 PM EST
Requirement in MA, so yes I have both when buying and selling. BTW in MA both people have to show ID and fill out an FA-10 form.
Link Posted: 10/19/2008 1:41:03 PM EST
[Last Edit: 10/19/2008 1:41:39 PM EST by Furious]
Yes, I even get a copy of their ID . No deal without it.

Lets say you bought a gun in your name and you sell it without getting ID from the buyer. Whats stopping them from killing somebody and just leaving the gun at the scene?
The police will want to know why your gun just killed someone. I will hand them my paperwork from the transaction complete with picture ID of the guy.
Link Posted: 10/19/2008 1:50:51 PM EST
Link Posted: 10/19/2008 1:56:08 PM EST
In Iowa, DL or ID not required, but Permit to Purchase is unless it's close family. I've never sold a pistol but I would probably ask for a photo ID along with the permit to cover my ass.

724.15 ANNUAL PERMIT TO ACQUIRE PISTOLS OR
REVOLVERS. 1. Any person who acquires ownership of any pistol or revolver
shall first obtain an annual permit
. An annual permit shall not be
issued to any person unless:
a. The person is twenty-one years of age or older.
b. The person has never been convicted of a felony.
c. The person is not addicted to the use of alcohol or a
controlled substance.
d. The person has no history of repeated acts of violence.
e. The person has never been convicted of a crime defined in
chapter 708, except "assault" as defined in section 708.1 and
"harassment" as defined in section 708.7.
f. The person has never been adjudged mentally incompetent.
2. Any person who acquires ownership of a pistol or revolver
shall not be required to obtain an annual permit if:
a. The person transferring the pistol or revolver and the
person acquiring the pistol or revolver are licensed firearms dealers
under federal law;
b. The pistol or revolver acquired is an antique firearm, a
collector's item, a device which is not designed or redesigned for
use as a weapon, a device which is designed solely for use as a
signaling, pyrotechnic, line-throwing, safety, or similar device, or
a firearm which is unserviceable by reason of being unable to
discharge a shot by means of an explosive and is incapable of being
readily restored to a firing condition; or
c. The person acquiring the pistol or revolver is authorized
to do so on behalf of a law enforcement agency.
d. The person has obtained a valid permit to carry weapons,
as provided in section 724.11.
e. The person transferring the pistol or revolver and the
person acquiring the pistol or revolver are related to one another
within the second degree of consanguinity or affinity unless the
person transferring the pistol or revolver knows that the person
acquiring the pistol or revolver would be ineligible to obtain a
permit.
3. The annual permit to acquire pistols or revolvers shall
authorize the permit holder to acquire one or more pistols or
revolvers during the period that the permit remains valid. If the
issuing officer determines that the applicant has become disqualified
under the provisions of subsection 1, the issuing officer may
immediately invalidate the permit.
Section History: Early Form
Link Posted: 10/19/2008 2:01:48 PM EST


This is my procedure unless the buyer appears to be a minor.
Link Posted: 10/19/2008 2:04:41 PM EST
I bought a S&W 442 this afternoon and the seller did not ask and when I sell I do not ask.

I also do not look like a a gang banging meth head either

Link Posted: 10/19/2008 2:06:20 PM EST
I always ask for ID. If someone doesn't like it, they can go buy someone else's gun.

I've been called about a gun I sold. I passed on the ID and that was that.
Link Posted: 10/19/2008 2:07:36 PM EST

Originally Posted By KwaiChangCaine:
In Iowa, DL or ID not required, but Permit to Purchase is unless it's close family. I've never sold a pistol but I would probably ask for a photo ID along with the permit to cover my ass.

724.15 ANNUAL PERMIT TO ACQUIRE PISTOLS OR
REVOLVERS. 1. Any person who acquires ownership of any pistol or revolver
shall first obtain an annual permit
. An annual permit shall not be
issued to any person unless:
a. The person is twenty-one years of age or older.
b. The person has never been convicted of a felony.
c. The person is not addicted to the use of alcohol or a
controlled substance.
d. The person has no history of repeated acts of violence.
e. The person has never been convicted of a crime defined in
chapter 708, except "assault" as defined in section 708.1 and
"harassment" as defined in section 708.7.
f. The person has never been adjudged mentally incompetent.
2. Any person who acquires ownership of a pistol or revolver
shall not be required to obtain an annual permit if:
a. The person transferring the pistol or revolver and the
person acquiring the pistol or revolver are licensed firearms dealers
under federal law;
b. The pistol or revolver acquired is an antique firearm, a
collector's item, a device which is not designed or redesigned for
use as a weapon, a device which is designed solely for use as a
signaling, pyrotechnic, line-throwing, safety, or similar device, or
a firearm which is unserviceable by reason of being unable to
discharge a shot by means of an explosive and is incapable of being
readily restored to a firing condition; or
c. The person acquiring the pistol or revolver is authorized
to do so on behalf of a law enforcement agency.
d. The person has obtained a valid permit to carry weapons,
as provided in section 724.11.
e. The person transferring the pistol or revolver and the
person acquiring the pistol or revolver are related to one another
within the second degree of consanguinity or affinity unless the
person transferring the pistol or revolver knows that the person
acquiring the pistol or revolver would be ineligible to obtain a
permit.
3. The annual permit to acquire pistols or revolvers shall
authorize the permit holder to acquire one or more pistols or
revolvers during the period that the permit remains valid. If the
issuing officer determines that the applicant has become disqualified
under the provisions of subsection 1, the issuing officer may
immediately invalidate the permit.
Section History: Early Form


The person buying is responsible not the seller.
Link Posted: 10/19/2008 2:09:10 PM EST
Link Posted: 10/19/2008 2:15:41 PM EST
[Last Edit: 10/19/2008 2:29:53 PM EST by KwaiChangCaine]

Originally Posted By CanteTinza:

Originally Posted By KwaiChangCaine:
In Iowa, DL or ID not required, but Permit to Purchase is unless it's close family. I've never sold a pistol but I would probably ask for a photo ID along with the permit to cover my ass.

724.15 ANNUAL PERMIT TO ACQUIRE PISTOLS OR
REVOLVERS. 1. Any person who acquires ownership of any pistol or revolver
shall first obtain an annual permit
. An annual permit shall not be
issued to any person unless:
a. The person is twenty-one years of age or older.
b. The person has never been convicted of a felony.
c. The person is not addicted to the use of alcohol or a
controlled substance.
d. The person has no history of repeated acts of violence.
e. The person has never been convicted of a crime defined in
chapter 708, except "assault" as defined in section 708.1 and
"harassment" as defined in section 708.7.
f. The person has never been adjudged mentally incompetent.
2. Any person who acquires ownership of a pistol or revolver
shall not be required to obtain an annual permit if:
a. The person transferring the pistol or revolver and the
person acquiring the pistol or revolver are licensed firearms dealers
under federal law;
b. The pistol or revolver acquired is an antique firearm, a
collector's item, a device which is not designed or redesigned for
use as a weapon, a device which is designed solely for use as a
signaling, pyrotechnic, line-throwing, safety, or similar device, or
a firearm which is unserviceable by reason of being unable to
discharge a shot by means of an explosive and is incapable of being
readily restored to a firing condition; or
c. The person acquiring the pistol or revolver is authorized
to do so on behalf of a law enforcement agency.
d. The person has obtained a valid permit to carry weapons,
as provided in section 724.11.
e. The person transferring the pistol or revolver and the
person acquiring the pistol or revolver are related to one another
within the second degree of consanguinity or affinity unless the
person transferring the pistol or revolver knows that the person
acquiring the pistol or revolver would be ineligible to obtain a
permit.
3. The annual permit to acquire pistols or revolvers shall
authorize the permit holder to acquire one or more pistols or
revolvers during the period that the permit remains valid. If the
issuing officer determines that the applicant has become disqualified
under the provisions of subsection 1, the issuing officer may
immediately invalidate the permit.
Section History: Early Form


The person buying is responsible not the seller.


I do believe you are correct. I'd still like to cover myself in the litigious times we live in. I work with a guy who is big time into shooting and he won't even sell a long gun unless the buyer has the permit.

ETA: From talking to the guys at the counters where pistols are sold around here, most first-time handgun buyers don't even know they need a permit until they try to buy a handgun. They are turned away until they can come back with a permit...
Link Posted: 10/19/2008 2:16:54 PM EST
If I were to sell a gun, which I've only done once, I'd ask for ID.

I prefer to cover my ass, and also know who the hell I'm selling to.
Link Posted: 10/19/2008 2:18:59 PM EST
I see a few of you check to verify the buyer is 21.. You are aware most states the law is 18 correct ? If not you may want to check, you could be losing legal sales.
Link Posted: 10/19/2008 2:21:48 PM EST
[Last Edit: 10/19/2008 2:22:36 PM EST by raysheen]

Originally Posted By PaperStreet:
Due diligence. Resident of state and 21 18.
18 in my home state...but I don't sell many guns at all and never handguns so I guess I don't have to worry about it.
Link Posted: 10/19/2008 2:25:01 PM EST

Originally Posted By 82ndAbn:

Let's say that happened. I'd tell the police I sold it to some guy. I didn't bother to get his information, sorry. Nothing illegal about that. And there is obviously no evidence that I was the one who did the shooting. And I would hope you have enough sense to refuse a sale to a guy who showed up wearing gloves and asking you to drop the finger print covered weapon into a plastic bag for him.


The real question would be after they took you in for questioning is this:

How much will it cost you in lawyer fees to prove your innocence ?

Sounds very expensive to me.

[JBT locker room chat transcript]Everybody is guilty of something,they just haven't been caught yet.[/JBT locker room chat transcript]

But,maybe you just trust cops and the justice system more than most.
Link Posted: 10/19/2008 2:27:59 PM EST

Originally Posted By 50cal:
I do. Make sure they are 21 and a resident of Tenn.


same cept 18 and a rez of tx, and ask if they are a felon. (in before they could lie, no shit just covering my ass. yes judge he never told me he was a felon.)
Link Posted: 10/19/2008 2:31:59 PM EST

Originally Posted By TrijiCog:

Originally Posted By 82ndAbn:

Let's say that happened. I'd tell the police I sold it to some guy. I didn't bother to get his information, sorry. Nothing illegal about that. And there is obviously no evidence that I was the one who did the shooting. And I would hope you have enough sense to refuse a sale to a guy who showed up wearing gloves and asking you to drop the finger print covered weapon into a plastic bag for him.


The real question would be after they took you in for questioning is this:

How much will it cost you in lawyer fees to prove your innocence ?

Sounds very expensive to me.

[JBT locker room chat transcript]Everybody is guilty of something,they just haven't been caught yet.[/JBT locker room chat transcript]

But,maybe you just trust cops and the justice system more than most.


If the cops are intent on pinning it on you, your little bill of sale and photocopied ID is not going to negate the need for a lawyer.
Link Posted: 10/19/2008 2:34:35 PM EST

Originally Posted By Mazeman:
For those folks who have done FTF transfers (if legal in your state), do you ask for ID?

I see the risks of NOT asking for ID would be that one party is actually from another state, or has criminal tendencies.


NC law requires that any receiver of a handgun in any transfer have either (1) a valid pistol purchase permit or (2) an NC concealed handgun permit.

So for handguns, yes, And I verify their both against their ID since neither the pistol purchase permit or the CHP have photos, execute a bill of sale, and keep their pistol purchase permit (if they use that) - even though the law is silent on what the seller / transferer is supposed to do with the single-use PPP.

Long guns I just do a bill of sale so I can remember who I sold it to if there is a forward trace.

But I haven't sold a gun since the 1980s.
Link Posted: 10/19/2008 2:39:02 PM EST
[Last Edit: 10/19/2008 2:43:41 PM EST by 82ndAbn]
Link Posted: 10/19/2008 2:39:48 PM EST
no
Link Posted: 10/19/2008 2:40:06 PM EST

Originally Posted By glock21guy:
I see a few of you check to verify the buyer is 21.. You are aware most states the law is 18 correct ? If not you may want to check, you could be losing legal sales.


Anyone selling enough guns to worry about "losing legal sales" needs an FFL, since the BATFFE is going to look at them as a dealer.

Link Posted: 10/19/2008 2:42:27 PM EST
Link Posted: 10/19/2008 2:45:42 PM EST

Originally Posted By 82ndAbn:
Originally Posted By Furious:
to some guy. I didn't bother to get his information, sorry. Nothing illegal about that. And there is obviously no evidence that I was the one who did the shooting. And I would hope you have enough sense to refuse a sale to a guy who showed up wearing gloves and asking you to drop the finger print covered weapon into a plastic bag for him.

I think there was a thread a couple months ago about a guy here doing a FTF and the buyer wanted him to place the gun in the buyers car for him.
Link Posted: 10/19/2008 2:48:20 PM EST
I ask to see ID and do a handwritten Bill of sale for just incase.
Link Posted: 10/19/2008 2:59:56 PM EST
Yes to see if they are from Indiana and are 18 or older.
Link Posted: 10/19/2008 3:04:32 PM EST

Originally Posted By 82ndAbn:

Originally Posted By 1Andy2:

Originally Posted By TrijiCog:
How much will it cost you in lawyer fees to prove your innocence ?
.


If the cops are intent on pinning it on you, your little bill of sale and photocopied ID is not going to negate the need for a lawyer.


Another good point. What does it take to whip up a fake bill of sale? How much effort does it take to negate you as the suspect by gathering finger prints or finding no gunshot residue?

Hyperparanoia can't be healthy.


Wow your really a rock arent you? YOUR gun at a crimescene is all the evidence needed to lock you happy ass away. And when you cant point the finger at someone else then thats where your gonna stay. "I sold it to some guy that had money....He didnt look like a criminal....He had an AFCOM account"


A fake bill of sale and a fake photcopy of a LEOs id ? not very likely.

Doing the lawful paperwork on a firearms transfer is not hyperparanoia. Theres reasons why gun stores have to do this. Theres reasons why I do this.
Just because someone is a member of ARFCOM doesnt mean there trustworthy.
"Well gee, you paid $25 and got an ARCOM membership.....that must mean your one of the good guys"

Ignorance cant be healthy....hope you get well soon.
Link Posted: 10/19/2008 3:05:29 PM EST
[Last Edit: 10/19/2008 3:07:35 PM EST by TrijiCog]

Originally Posted By 82ndAbn:

Originally Posted By 1Andy2:

Originally Posted By TrijiCog:
How much will it cost you in lawyer fees to prove your innocence ?
.


If the cops are intent on pinning it on you, your little bill of sale and photocopied ID is not going to negate the need for a lawyer.


Another good point. What does it take to whip up a fake bill of sale? How much effort does it take to negate you as the suspect by gathering finger prints or finding no gunshot residue?

Hyperparanoia can't be healthy.



You are probably right,I think I have been in MA too long.Although I do think you are somewhat delusional to trust cops and the justice system so much.

We have to fill out a form when doing FTF transactions,then send the form to some state agency.
Link Posted: 10/19/2008 3:14:55 PM EST
[Last Edit: 10/19/2008 3:16:16 PM EST by DonKey153]
*dammit* bad quote
Link Posted: 10/19/2008 3:17:16 PM EST
Nope, and I will and have told people to fuck off over it.
Link Posted: 10/19/2008 3:30:51 PM EST
Link Posted: 10/19/2008 3:40:42 PM EST

Originally Posted By Mazeman:
For those folks who have done FTF transfers (if legal in your state), do you ask for ID?

I see the risks of NOT asking for ID would be that one party is actually from another state, or has criminal tendencies.


I verify that they are 18 and have an ID from my state. I ask them if they are prohibited from owning or posessing a firearm. That is all I am legally obligated to do. THEY would be subject to prosecution and I have no worries of being held accountable if they lie to me or have a false ID.
Link Posted: 10/19/2008 4:07:42 PM EST
I've never been asked for ID in FTF non-FFL sales.

Scored a decent ArmaLite (not EA) NM stripped lower not too terribly long ago, so I'd wager it came off of a complete rifle.

I've never sold a gun, but if I did, I'd not ask for ID, either. Personally, if I feel the need to ask for ID, it's probably not a good idea to sell the gun.

I have given one firearm away, and two are presently "on loan." Didn't ask for ID for either.
Link Posted: 10/19/2008 5:27:44 PM EST

Originally Posted By Garand_Shooter:
By NC Law the seller of a handgun is supposed to either see the buyers CCW or get a copy of the Jim Crow era pistol purchase permit from the buyer and keep it on file.

Even for non-FFL sales?
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