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Posted: 10/30/2004 6:02:22 AM EDT
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I am an avid hunter. I come into contact with many, many hunters who are simply too stupid to grasp the notion a Democrat politician would "lie"--or say they all "lie" but the DemocRATS are for "the little guy" so "I have to vote for him." Idiots.
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Posted: 10/30/2004 6:03:07 AM EDT
[#2]
yep, hunters and all the other "elitist" shooting disipline's... they're the ones with their heads burried in the sand..
sad.. the NRA needs to overhaul things and just be blunt and to the point with EVERYONE, that the anti's will stop at nothing to disarm EVERYONE. |
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Posted: 10/30/2004 6:17:12 AM EDT
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The NRA's last American Rifleman magazine had a HUGE section on why Kerry will destroy the 2nd. But I haven't seen one thing relating to this in any "hunting" magazine. Someone correct me if I am wrong, but I have looked. Get the word out, even if a hunter doen's want to hear it. When they get in the voting booth, they may have second thoughts. |
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Posted: 10/30/2004 6:20:27 AM EDT
[#4]
i agree, hunters working for unions will be the death of the 2nd
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Posted: 10/30/2004 6:23:58 AM EDT
[#5]
Damn hunters always ruining it for those of us that want to defend our families and ourselves!
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Posted: 10/30/2004 6:25:24 AM EDT
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Far too many traitors in the duck and deer crowd around here, and these are guys I hunt with and see at the range all the time. I've told them before-When they come for us, you won't stand up, you'll stand by. Then they'll come for you and what are you going to do about it with us gone? Maybe they'll let you keep the two halves of your 11-87 as a memento to put over your fireplace.
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Posted: 10/30/2004 6:28:00 AM EDT
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I've spent a great deal of time trying to let the 'hunters' here in Massachusetts North, er, I mean Michigan, know that sKerry is no friend of gun owners and hunters... I've had some success, but those damn 'Sportsmen for Kerry' signs are everywhere... stupid people... The only thing dumber than the 'Sportsmen for Kerry' sign is the horrid 'Veterans for Kerry' signs... those two make my wanna go postal.... |
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Posted: 10/30/2004 6:28:03 AM EDT
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I have a co-worker whose only reason to own firearms is sporting. He is a bird hunter. Has plenty of "gucci" gear to go along with his sport and the only semi-auto he owns is a Benelli.
After me, he is second in line to state the 2nd A has nothing to do with hunting. He knows that after my EBRs are banned, his "sporting" firearms are next. Sadly, our agreement on issues makes for pretty boring car rides, as we can't argue about politics. |
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Posted: 10/30/2004 6:29:06 AM EDT
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Some of OUR people (on this site!) are/have voting for Badnarik, for Christ's sake.
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Posted: 10/30/2004 6:32:41 AM EDT
[#10]
It took me a minute to realize you were being sarcastic. |
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Posted: 10/30/2004 6:36:16 AM EDT
[#11]
+1 I know exactly what you mean. |
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Posted: 10/30/2004 6:36:53 AM EDT
[#12]
See sig line.
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Posted: 10/30/2004 6:37:17 AM EDT
[#13]
I say that and worse about hunters and unions here in Michigan all the time, and I'm not being sarcastic... |
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Posted: 10/30/2004 6:39:04 AM EDT
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+1 when I see these people, I match speed along side of them and just shake my head in discust... then pull away where they can see my Vet license plate, Bush sticker and CSSA sticker. |
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Posted: 10/30/2004 6:39:27 AM EDT
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He was? I agree with it wholeheartedly--though there aren't enough of them to truly cause the "death" of the Second (singlehandedly), though they contribute mightily. I live in a die-hard Union town--Decatur, Illinois--it made the national news several times with nasty strikes, so I am very familiar with the idiotic "Union mentality" regarding DemocRATS. |
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Posted: 10/30/2004 6:43:48 AM EDT
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I can't tell you the number of times I have been told that you can't hunt deer with an AK-47.
Whoever let the 2nd Amendment hinge on hunting and sportsmen needs to be shot! |
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Posted: 10/30/2004 6:48:19 AM EDT
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I work in a Union shop also - Local 60 in SA. I'm waiting to get RIFed due to my big mouth regarding Hanoi Kerry and the 2nd - at least that is the rumor from last week. There are three groups here: 1. Kerry would never take any of our guns. (largets group) 2. It's OK if Kerry takes the assault weapons -those are dangerous, dontcha know. 3. It doesn't matter if Kerry takes our guns; he will give us more work (jobs). I've copied articles from America's First Freedom magazine, made copies of Kerry's voting record, copied the UN charter regarding guns in private ownership, etc - done almost everything I can think of to convince folks that Kerry is the most anti-gun Presidential candidate in history. And people just won't believe it. And the folks I work with are all hunters. And I'm in Texas, for crying out loud!!! There is one closet Bush voter, he's afraid to come out of the closet for fear of his job. Pussy!! EDIT: 1. I was born and raised in Michigan - left in 76 when I joined the military 2. I am seriously considering leaving the Union. |
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Posted: 10/30/2004 6:49:31 AM EDT
[#18]
I don't think he was, and I agree with him. |
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Posted: 10/30/2004 6:51:31 AM EDT
[#19]
I do too |
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Posted: 10/30/2004 6:51:43 AM EDT
[#20]
Far from allowing guns only for hunting; I'm of the opinion that a lot of hunters should not be allowed to own guns; or any sharp implement.
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Posted: 10/30/2004 6:51:45 AM EDT
[#21]
It's called selective perception. Lumping everyone into a category like that is blind ignorance. And I'm not trying to be insulting. |
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Posted: 10/30/2004 6:54:39 AM EDT
[#22]
The hunting crowd I hang with is extremely pro gun. For those that aren't, it might be more productive to to give them the facts. Prove to them that kerry
 is a liar with his voting record. While this is what lippo is trying to do, many here just bitch and get negative. Hunters are a progun bunch as a rule. The straglers are ripe for conversion with simple facts.
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Posted: 10/30/2004 6:54:41 AM EDT
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I would think you, of all people, would know better than to categorize everyone who hunts and is pro-union into one group. That would mean me, my father, my uncles, and many friends are all liars when we tell you that we're voting for Bush and know that the 2nd isn't about hunting. |
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Posted: 10/30/2004 6:55:18 AM EDT
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Another one.  |
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Posted: 10/30/2004 6:55:58 AM EDT
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When 99% of the people in the category fit the generalization, then it becomes ok. |
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Posted: 10/30/2004 6:56:21 AM EDT
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I don't believe Kerry "hunts" just because he poses for a camera with a gun, and I don't believe Geroge W. regularly does all this hard work on his "ranch" just because he poses for a camera while he is clearing brush.
It amazes me how fucking gullible people are when they see or hear things on tv. |
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Posted: 10/30/2004 6:56:26 AM EDT
[#27]
He he WAS being sarcastic, then he was being stupid as well.....
Hunters that are union members are a danger to the 2ndA ! |
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Posted: 10/30/2004 6:56:30 AM EDT
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The Mossy Oak Morons that I run into here make me ill..."Whayat in the Dad-gum Hayell do you need that thang fer? Gawd-Damn ma-sheen gun ain't good fer nuthin'...I don't thank them there AYY-ARRR thangs is legal, is they? I's heard that the Gubbmint banned them. No body need more'n a shotgun and a 30-30 anyhoo... You a goin' ta war or sumpin'????"
Explaining that it isn't a machine gun and it's perfectly legal to own and trying to expalin the 2nd is a lost point. Ignorant, and proud of it they are. It also makes me very aware that these fucktards are running around in the woods with loaded rifles, so I'm less inclined to hunt except on very private property. Yeah, thanks for the social commentary there Larry the Cable Guy...Nice fucking WalMart camo. I didn't know that Chinese knock off MossyOak came in XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXL you fat fuck... Ugh. SG |
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Posted: 10/30/2004 7:00:49 AM EDT
[#29]
I see you've been talking to a guy I work with... And everybody calls it a "banana clip." |
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Posted: 10/30/2004 7:01:19 AM EDT
[#30]
I did NOT say every single Union member has the "Union mentality"--but I have seen a (clear) majority who do. Would you say the majority of your "Union brothers" believe the same way you do? I thought not. 
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Posted: 10/30/2004 7:02:57 AM EDT
[#31]
One more time... You live in a VERY progun state. The majority of hunters here are progun. The hunting crowd I hang with is extremely pro gun. For those that aren't, it might be more productive to to give them the facts. Prove to them that kerry is a liar with his voting record. While this is what lippo is trying to do, many here just bitch and get negative. Hunters are a progun bunch as a rule. The straglers are ripe for conversion with simple facts.
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Posted: 10/30/2004 7:03:48 AM EDT
[#32]
Ducks Unlimited can bet that they will never see a penny of my money after this Kerry crap.
If I lived around any of these Trap Ranges that allowed Kerry to pose with his borrowed dbl. barrel, I would really be a thorn in there side. |
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Posted: 10/30/2004 7:03:53 AM EDT
[#33]
Would you say the majority of pro-dem, union members are hunters? I thought not. |
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Posted: 10/30/2004 7:05:34 AM EDT
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The ones I have the unfortunate pleasure of running into are proud of and happy in their ignorance. Attempts to explain facts have been met with the best drooling blank stare you can imagine. I might as well have been speaking to their truck or a random tree. Offers to let them shoot my toys are met with disdain as "Nobody need that kinda shit nohow..." Frankly, I find it disturbing that these mental giants are allowed to roam freely in the same woods with me with loaded rifles, which makes me VERY picky about where I hunt. Thankfully, yes, I am aware that we are a very progun state, but I assure you, we have more than our fair share of the "Sportsmen for Kerry" crowd. I've converted a few, but the obvious lisping morons are beyond my efforts anymore. Sorry... SG |
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Posted: 10/30/2004 7:06:21 AM EDT
[#35]
Now hold the phone, there are typical hunters and there are gun nuts who are hunters. Many of us around here are the second type. I hunt(no birds though) I hunt with bolt guns, I hunt with shotguns, I hunt with semi-autos, and none of the semi-autos I hunt with are PC guns.
I know some folk that fall into the other catagory of typical hunter, I even let them shoot my ARs and AK if they want to just so they can see that, while they may choose not to use one for hunting, it's still a helluva lot more fun to come out to the range and shoot the evil non-PC guns than it is to sit around shooting off a bench all damn day with yer bolt gun. Don't get me wrong I have fun shooting my bolt guns too, especially my presision rifle, but dumping a 30 rd mag is more fun. I have two guys that are typical hunters who are seriously considering getting ARs just so they can have a "fun gun" But even than I honestly don't think that they will still give two rats should another ban be preposed or something similar. To bad too. That reminds me I got to go to that SKS owners for sKerry website and get an email addy, somone needs to get an edimication 
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Posted: 10/30/2004 7:06:25 AM EDT
[#36]
I have to disagree on the Union part. I would rather work for a company that is unionized rather than not. But, stupid Hunters will kill firearm rights, yes. I've been told time and time again by "Hunters" that you can't hunt with an SKS... Well, jesus, I guess you can't hunt with a .30-30 either. |
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Posted: 10/30/2004 7:08:41 AM EDT
[#37]
This is so utterly true.
I am in a labor union in western Pennsylvania. There is a Republican insurgency going on amidst the IBEW "Vote for Kerry" crowd. Most of the people I know are voting for Bush. We all have "Bush/Cheney 2004" stickers on our hardhats. The one thing that kills me more than anythting else are all of the hunters who can't figure out that Kerry will betray them. There are many hunters/NRA members in the unions but they are all duped because Kerry only wants to ban "those guns", i.e. "not my huntin' gun." I think that we know the truth. |
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Posted: 10/30/2004 7:09:53 AM EDT
[#38]
I was responding to a specific post--YOURS, and your quote of avengeusa. I have no clue whether a "majority of pro-dem, union members are hunters"--that's not the issue. The "Union mentality" stooges are pro-dem for sure, and my point is the hunters among them SHOULD (as you say you and your family do, to your HUGE credit) have enough sense to see through the BS of the DemocRATS and Union Socialists. That's all--certainly no insult to you and yours was intended. You are obviously NOT part of the group I hold in such disdain, which is HUNTERS who are also UNION MEMBERS, but buy the "Union mentality" line and run with it.
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Posted: 10/30/2004 7:14:31 AM EDT
[#39]
I gotcha. Understood. But it doesn't take much effort to convert a pro-union hunter. If someone truly values hunting, they will listen (in my experience, anyway). A few words and some hard facts and I usually get a, "...no kidding? Really? I didn't realize that..." Those pro-dems who hunt but could care less if they made it out for opening day are a different story, however. |
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Posted: 10/30/2004 7:19:33 AM EDT
[#40]
You're obviously a better salesman than I am then (and I do it for a living). I have been met with outright hostility when I have attempted to (even subtlely) point out a little reality to them. Perhaps you have better credibility as a fellow Union member. Dunno--but I do know I have experienced ZERO success in trying to shine a little light of truth into the "Union mind."  Again--no offense intended. I value and respect our association here, and do not wish to offend you. 
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Posted: 10/30/2004 7:21:01 AM EDT
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The frustration here is that Michigan is a huge union state, and a huge hunting state. The perception quickly becomes that the hunting crowd here is and the Union crowd are one and the same. That's because "everyone" here hunts and "everyone" here is in the union. |
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Posted: 10/30/2004 7:22:59 AM EDT
[#42]
No it's not ignorance, it's discussing a theory in general terms. No more 'selective perception' than saying 'liberals want the US to be a socialist nation.' I can find many who claim not to want that. I think he's got a point. Were I (still) an anti-gunner, and devising a strategy by which to fragment the gunowner vote, I'd hit hunters who belong to unions, specifically. A high perentage of union members trend left on economic views (by definition). If a far-left candidate like Kerry can claim them, despite his extreme anti-gun views, it's a huge win for him, and the broader anti-gun movement in general. There's a reason he bothered with the hunting trip. But we'll see how they do on Tuesday. It would be interesting to see the vote breakdown of 'union hunters.' |
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Posted: 10/30/2004 7:29:14 AM EDT
[#43]
Good point. And yes, it would be especially interesting to me. |
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Posted: 10/30/2004 7:32:47 AM EDT
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I'd say you've got your work cut out for you.  Remember, liberals are that way for one of three reasons - lack of intelligence, apathy, or ignorance. You can convert the ignorant crowd. |
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Posted: 10/30/2004 8:50:23 AM EDT
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"Hunters Will Be The End Of Our Second Amendment Rights".
Geez, so you're saying that I should stop hunting and pick up underwater bump-firing so I won't be part of "the end of our second amemdnment rights?". 
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Posted: 10/30/2004 8:53:35 AM EDT
[#46]
I believe he said, "hunters working for unions." There might be some truth to that. We'll know on Tuesday. |
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Posted: 10/30/2004 8:54:59 AM EDT
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Pssssst--he's not talking about us--he means hunters who don't have their politics straight. NOT all hunters.  "You don't need one of them there "ASSault weapons"--just a shotgun and a thutty-thutty is all you need to kill deer and birds." |
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Posted: 10/30/2004 9:37:01 AM EDT
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Long before anyone said anything about AW's, clips and mags, folding stocks, and semi-autos hunters were telling us that we didn't need pistols for hunting.
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Posted: 10/30/2004 9:42:18 AM EDT
[#49]
Ask someone from CA about the "those guns" question |
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Posted: 10/30/2004 9:44:33 AM EDT
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The Hunters Will Become The Hunted.
Once the "Evil Black Rifles" are gone. |
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