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Posted: 2/17/2017 11:59:51 AM EDT
Wetback
 I mean seriously....Operation Wetback? Jesus man, what a completely inappropriate name for a deportation operation.
Wiki Link Operation Wetback was an immigration law enforcement initiative created by Joseph Swing, the Director of the United States Immigration and Naturalization Service (INS), in cooperation with the Mexican government. The program was implemented in May 1954 by U.S. Attorney General Herbert Brownell and utilized special tactics to deal with illegal border crossings into the United States by Mexican nationals. |
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Posted: 2/17/2017 12:00:48 PM EDT
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Shit worked too. Ike didn't fuck around. We need Operation Wetback II- like they did in Vietnam with the Linebackers...
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Posted: 2/17/2017 12:19:49 PM EDT
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I remember seeing "wetbacks" hiding in the front compartment of cattle trailers and being deliverd back to the border after working a few months on ranches in 1962.
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Posted: 2/17/2017 12:21:12 PM EDT
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Ever occur to you that like the ever-dreaded, much-to-be-feared "N-word", that the term "wetback" didn't have the same connotations then that it does now?
It's just like the terms used to describe the mentally deficient (which will soon be a term of derogatory insult, I'm sure...) back in the day: Imbecile, moron, and other words were once clinical terms with no negative freighting whatsoever. After a few years of use, and their becoming colloquial? Yeah, now they're insults, and you can be brought up on charges of being politically incorrect for using them. Likewise, with the racial terms--"Colored" was once the polite term for "Black", and then that changed. Go back far enough, and even the N-word carried no real intent to insult. The thing to consider, with all of this, is why this happens. What about the terminology for describing the mentally impaired turns the technical terms for that into invective and insult after a few generations...? Why do the words used to describe humans of black African descent become pejoratives after a few years of use? Might it just have something to do with the characteristics of those groups, and/or the way they behave? Or, is it society, and the way society comes to use those terms? |
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Posted: 2/17/2017 12:22:23 PM EDT
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Because the mods will lock your thread for stating the historical name because its wasis.
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Posted: 2/17/2017 12:22:54 PM EDT
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Operation Damp Dorsal, please.
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Posted: 2/17/2017 12:24:56 PM EDT
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Where the hell is Operation Dago or Guinea?
I feel fucking cheated. |
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Posted: 2/17/2017 12:28:26 PM EDT
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I know a Mexican lady who came here legally that calls them wetbacks.
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Posted: 2/17/2017 12:31:05 PM EDT
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Because the mods will lock your thread for stating the historical name because its wasis. |
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Posted: 2/17/2017 12:31:08 PM EDT
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Posted: 2/17/2017 12:32:16 PM EDT
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Ever occur to you that like the ever-dreaded, much-to-be-feared "N-word", that the term "wetback" didn't have the same connotations then that it does now? It's just like the terms used to describe the mentally deficient (which will soon be a term of derogatory insult, I'm sure...) back in the day: Imbecile, moron, and other words were once clinical terms with no negative freighting whatsoever. After a few years of use, and their becoming colloquial? Yeah, now they're insults, and you can be brought up on charges of being politically incorrect for using them. Likewise, with the racial terms--"Colored" was once the polite term for "Black", and then that changed. Go back far enough, and even the N-word carried no real intent to insult. The thing to consider, with all of this, is why this happens. What about the terminology for describing the mentally impaired turns the technical terms for that into invective and insult after a few generations...? Why do the words used to describe humans of black African descent become pejoratives after a few years of use? Might it just have something to do with the characteristics of those groups, and/or the way they behave? Or, is it society, and the way society comes to use those terms? Yes, it did. It's just all the politically correct horseshit that has developed over the intervening years. All those presently "unacceptable" words still mean the same as they did then. It's just that the delicate snowflakes of today can't deal with anything descriptive. We are living in an age of euphemisms, and we don't dare call anything what it is. |
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Posted: 2/17/2017 12:32:18 PM EDT
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I know a few of the same. There is some strong hatred between some legal immigrants from Mexico against illegals.
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Posted: 2/17/2017 12:39:36 PM EDT
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Where the hell is Operation Dago or Guinea? I feel fucking cheated. 
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Posted: 2/17/2017 12:39:45 PM EDT
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Yes, it did. It's just all the politically correct horseshit that has developed over the intervening years. All those presently "unacceptable" words still mean the same as hey did then. It's just that the delicate snowflakes of today can't deal with anything descriptive. We are living in an age of euphemisms, and we don't dare call anything what it is. N word was always derogatory. Wetback wasn't. Hell, I grew up on the border. Several famous BP agents worked our sector as I grew up (one was used as the loose basis for a Charles Bronson movie). We had a very liberal female neighbor who tried to become a writer. She was very pro-illegal. She wrote a children's book called "The Wetback Bird" which was pro-illegal. Wetback was slang for someone crossing the border illegally. It isn't intrinsically more derogatory than "illegal immigrant". Logically, calling them simply "immigrants" is derogatory to those here legally. |
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Posted: 2/17/2017 12:42:47 PM EDT
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Posted: 2/17/2017 12:54:22 PM EDT
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I remember my Father using the term back in the 60's
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Posted: 2/17/2017 12:56:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:
Ever occur to you that like the ever-dreaded, much-to-be-feared "N-word", that the term "wetback" didn't have the same connotations then that it does now? It's just like the terms used to describe the mentally deficient (which will soon be a term of derogatory insult, I'm sure...) back in the day: Imbecile, moron, and other words were once clinical terms with no negative freighting whatsoever. After a few years of use, and their becoming colloquial? Yeah, now they're insults, and you can be brought up on charges of being politically incorrect for using them. Likewise, with the racial terms--"Colored" was once the polite term for "Black", and then that changed. Go back far enough, and even the N-word carried no real intent to insult. The thing to consider, with all of this, is why this happens. What about the terminology for describing the mentally impaired turns the technical terms for that into invective and insult after a few generations...? Why do the words used to describe humans of black African descent become pejoratives after a few years of use? Might it just have something to do with the characteristics of those groups, and/or the way they behave? Or, is it society, and the way society comes to use those terms? control the language and you control the narrative. attach a stigma to any descriptive language and your opponent can no longer frame a coherent argument. |
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Posted: 2/17/2017 1:35:14 PM EDT
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2017 update: Operation Drenched Posterior
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Posted: 2/17/2017 1:36:57 PM EDT
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Apparently, 1954 did not give one singlular fuck about the feelz of illegals.
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Posted: 2/17/2017 1:43:33 PM EDT
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The preferred term is "Mojado"
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Posted: 2/17/2017 1:51:03 PM EDT
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Don't get your panties in a wad over a word.
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Posted: 2/17/2017 1:52:39 PM EDT
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The US is a large country. Language and word usage can differ from one part of the country to another.
When I was growing up, "wetback" was not necessarily an insult. It was a common usage term describing a recent immigrant (legal or not). It originated in reference to immigrants from Mexico & South/Central America swimming across the Rio Grande and still having a wet back because they were so new they had not dried off completely. However, sometimes any new immigrant, even European immigrants, were called "wetbacks" just like new cops were called "Rookies". Similar to calling someone a "Rookie", the term could be used as an insult but most of the time it didn't mean anything except that a person was a neewbie to the US. |
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Posted: 2/17/2017 1:57:43 PM EDT
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A few years back I got called a troll for bringing this up. Tread lightly
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Posted: 2/17/2017 2:00:22 PM EDT
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control the language and you control the narrative. attach a stigma to any descriptive language and your opponent can no longer frame a coherent argument. Bingo. I was wondering when someone was going to point out the Gramscian aspect to this. And, by the way, the N-word itself, for the other poster that quoted me? That wasn't always derogatory; it, too, was once descriptive--The word itself derives from the French "niger", or black. It was a long damn time ago, damn near pre-Colonial, but it once was merely a descriptive. |
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Posted: 2/17/2017 3:47:31 PM EDT
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I'm going to guess you're a math and not history major?
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Posted: 2/17/2017 3:49:52 PM EDT
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Where the hell is Operation Dago or Guinea? I feel fucking cheated. 
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Posted: 2/17/2017 3:54:54 PM EDT
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Actually it was propaganda BS. Media stories about getting tough on illegals. In truth it set up the broken system we have today; of allowing anyone to cross as "migrant workers", year after year.. With no way to know if they returned.
Small numbers at first but the numbers grew as fewer returned each year. It's always been about business. |
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Posted: 2/17/2017 3:56:27 PM EDT
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Wetbacks and Braceros, yep.
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Posted: 2/17/2017 4:00:12 PM EDT
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Where the hell is Operation Dago or Guinea? I feel fucking cheated. Sign from Rock Ridge?  Failed To Load Title |
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Posted: 2/17/2017 4:19:22 PM EDT
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Bingo. I was wondering when someone was going to point out the Gramscian aspect to this. And, by the way, the N-word itself, for the other poster that quoted me? That wasn't always derogatory; it, too, was once descriptive--The word itself derives from the French "niger", or black. It was a long damn time ago, damn near pre-Colonial, but it once was merely a descriptive. I grew up in the Appalachian Mts where window is pronounced winder, potato is tatter, pillow is piller, etc. Hell, I thought everyone was just mispronouncing Negro.
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Posted: 2/17/2017 4:47:03 PM EDT
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I grew up in the Appalachian Mts where window is pronounced winder, potato is tatter, pillow is piller, etc. Hell, I thought everyone was just mispronouncing Negro. In Massachusetts some folks say "eye-dee-er". Does that mean that they are hillbillies, or that some of the early settlers of the WVA hills were from Massachusetts? (I suspect the latter, unless it is completely unrelated) |
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Posted: 2/17/2017 4:49:31 PM EDT
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I worked in the Border Patrol back in the 1980's and never heard of this. But then, that was way back before my time.
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Posted: 2/17/2017 5:00:11 PM EDT
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Sort of like wet foot dry foot for Cubans
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Posted: 2/17/2017 5:12:49 PM EDT
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Operation DACA would be better.
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Posted: 2/17/2017 5:14:04 PM EDT
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Bingo. I was wondering when someone was going to point out the Gramscian aspect to this. And, by the way, the N-word itself, for the other poster that quoted me? That wasn't always derogatory; it, too, was once descriptive--The word itself derives from the French "niger", or black. It was a long damn time ago, damn near pre-Colonial, but it once was merely a descriptive. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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control the language and you control the narrative. attach a stigma to any descriptive language and your opponent can no longer frame a coherent argument. Bingo. I was wondering when someone was going to point out the Gramscian aspect to this. And, by the way, the N-word itself, for the other poster that quoted me? That wasn't always derogatory; it, too, was once descriptive--The word itself derives from the French "niger", or black. It was a long damn time ago, damn near pre-Colonial, but it once was merely a descriptive. Shit, it still is in the When I arrived in this country, many many years ago, in a previous century even, I was an 'alien', even on .gov paperwork. And if you didn't have teh .gov paperwork, you was an 'illegal alien'. Again, a .gov term. Straight from INS. Even my 'Green Card', back when they were green, was an 'Alien Registration Card'. It's all just words, and using a different word doesn't change what it is, whatever the 'it' is. |
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Posted: 2/17/2017 6:01:08 PM EDT
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I'm going to guess you're a math and not history major? |
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Posted: 2/17/2017 6:39:04 PM EDT
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Where the hell is Operation Dago or Guinea? I feel fucking cheated. http://cdn.history.com/sites/2/2015/08/GettyImages-165357970-E.jpeg THIS There was an anti-Italian operation back in the 1920s. It was run by the KKK in upstate NY when large numbers of Italian immigrants began taking jobs in the shoe industry in upstate cities. |
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Posted: 2/17/2017 6:45:56 PM EDT
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It's a fucking awesome name for a fucking awesome program.
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Posted: 2/17/2017 6:48:38 PM EDT
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Wetback I mean seriously....Operation Wetback? Jesus man, what a completely inappropriate name for a deportation operation.
Wiki Link Operation Wetback was an immigration law enforcement initiative created by Joseph Swing, the Director of the United States Immigration and Naturalization Service (INS), in cooperation with the Mexican government. The program was implemented in May 1954 by U.S. Attorney General Herbert Brownell and utilized special tactics to deal with illegal border crossings into the United States by Mexican nationals. Back before America became a nation of obese, transgender, political-correct office drones. |
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Posted: 2/17/2017 7:09:32 PM EDT
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Cesar Chavez thought it was great, too.
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Posted: 2/17/2017 7:18:37 PM EDT
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My 55 yr old Mexican buddy who was born and raised in Chihuahua moved here in the 90s, became a citizen uses the term.
He hates illegals. |
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Posted: 2/17/2017 7:56:40 PM EDT
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Lots of Mexican-Americans use the term, or 'mojados'.
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Posted: 2/17/2017 8:01:05 PM EDT
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I know a Mexican lady who came here legally that calls them wetbacks. Well, it is her word and is allowed to use it |
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Posted: 2/17/2017 8:23:20 PM EDT
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Lots of Mexican-Americans use the term, or 'mojados'. I thought that was a drink. |
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Posted: 2/17/2017 8:24:40 PM EDT
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Lots of Mexican-Americans use the term, or 'mojados'. I thought that was a drink. |
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Posted: 2/17/2017 8:46:12 PM EDT
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That would be a mojito. Oh. Thank you. |
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Posted: 2/17/2017 8:49:23 PM EDT
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This may shock the hell out of you, OP, but they used to say a lot of shit back in the day, as common parlance, that would cause huge offense in today's world.
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Posted: 2/17/2017 8:57:56 PM EDT
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Where the hell is Operation Dago or Guinea? I feel fucking cheated. Sign from Rock Ridge?  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=boO4RowROiwNow, it wasn't always without reason (bear with me, here), such as domestic servants who were expected to do the cooking in a home. The Irish got a reputation for being completely inadequate cooks, and not without reason. The Irish used to have a varied, diverse diet, with the skills and recipe flexibility that went with it. But with the English occupation, the vast majority of the food variety was diverted to the English land lords, and away from the common Irish folks, leaving them doing their best to find as many ways to prepare potatoes, cabbage, etc as they could, for what little variety they could scrape up. Couple that deprivation with the poor Irish still having to do all of their cooking over peat fueled stoves, and they simply were not good cooks when they came over. But, for the most part, it was motivated by prejudice, both cultural and religious. |
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Posted: 2/17/2017 9:02:36 PM EDT
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Would you have preferred Operation Wet Belly-Scratch Back
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Posted: 2/17/2017 9:14:20 PM EDT
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NINA was VERY common in job ads for a good, long while. Now, it wasn't always without reason (bear with me, here), such as domestic servants who were expected to do the cooking in a home. The Irish got a reputation for being completely inadequate cooks, and not without reason. The Irish used to have a varied, diverse diet, with the skills and recipe flexibility that went with it. But with the English occupation, the vast majority of the food variety was diverted to the English land lords, and away from the common Irish folks, leaving them doing their best to find as many ways to prepare potatoes, cabbage, etc as they could, for what little variety they could scrape up. Couple that deprivation with the poor Irish still having to do all of their cooking over peat fueled stoves, and they simply were not good cooks when they came over. But, for the most part, it was motivated by prejudice, both cultural and religious. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Where the hell is Operation Dago or Guinea? I feel fucking cheated. Sign from Rock Ridge? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=boO4RowROiwNow, it wasn't always without reason (bear with me, here), such as domestic servants who were expected to do the cooking in a home. The Irish got a reputation for being completely inadequate cooks, and not without reason. The Irish used to have a varied, diverse diet, with the skills and recipe flexibility that went with it. But with the English occupation, the vast majority of the food variety was diverted to the English land lords, and away from the common Irish folks, leaving them doing their best to find as many ways to prepare potatoes, cabbage, etc as they could, for what little variety they could scrape up. Couple that deprivation with the poor Irish still having to do all of their cooking over peat fueled stoves, and they simply were not good cooks when they came over. But, for the most part, it was motivated by prejudice, both cultural and religious. 
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Posted: 2/17/2017 9:44:21 PM EDT
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I'm going to be triggered if there's not an Operation Cracker.
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