How would you like THREE new Rock River Arms lowers?

[ARCHIVED THREAD] - How would you like THREE new Rock River Arms lowers? (Page 1 of 3)

Posted: 11/7/2005 1:51:05 PM EDT

You might be asking how you can get THREE new Rock River Arms stripped lower receivers? Let me tell you how! B&J Guns, a paid site sponsor and host to regional ARFCOM gatherings, is looking for used Colt and Bushmaster preban lower receivers to help out residents behind the iron curtain. Look in that safe, you've probably got one or two (some of you many more). The federal ban is gone and we're not hearing indications it is coming back. Even if it does, it has been gone so long that your no ban receivers would have to be grandfathered. So why not take this opportunity to help your New York brethren out and receive three NEW receivers for your USED receiver?

For those that have receivers other than Bushmaster or Colt, B&J Guns will offer you TWO new Rock River Arms stripped lowers for your USED pre-ban lower.

If interested, contact Brian at 518-862-9831. As these are firearms, and not say magazines, please conduct all transactions through Brian rather than me. I am merely listing his offer here as he does not post. When speaking to him tell him you are an ARFCOM poster, you saw my thread (I'm Michael by the way) and that you'd like to take him up on his offer.

Moderators, I know this would normally be consigned to the Equipment Exchange, but as I understand it PAID site sponsors are given a little latitude to post deals outside the EE so long as they do not abuse the privilege. I also want to make sure all ARFCOM members see this offer that might miss it if it were posted exclusively in the EE.

Posted: 11/7/2005 1:56:56 PM EDT

[#1]

Posted: 11/7/2005 1:57:24 PM EDT

[#2]

This is a great deal!

Thanks for setting this up, HiramRanger. Though i do not have any "Pre-94" ARs, I have traded my beta-c and Pre-ban Glock mags to several NY'ers and would do this in a heartbeat. It is for a good cause!

Posted: 11/7/2005 1:59:44 PM EDT

[#3]

My only pre-ban is a registered SBR.

TRG

Posted: 11/7/2005 2:00:21 PM EDT

[#4]

Good deal, definately a worthy cause...nice!

Posted: 11/7/2005 2:01:05 PM EDT

[#5]

Dang, I have a pre-ban Eagle Arms rifle

Posted: 11/7/2005 2:20:37 PM EDT

[#6]

I feel that this should be a sticky.

Sadly I am behind the wrong iron curtain.

Posted: 11/7/2005 2:22:24 PM EDT

[#7]

hey when is the next get together over there? Haven't heard or seen from the Local Social Director since he moved to PA.

Posted: 11/7/2005 2:24:08 PM EDT

[#8]

Not sure Wave, B&J has two locations now... twice the fun!

Posted: 11/7/2005 2:34:18 PM EDT

[#9]

Quoted:
Not sure Wave, B&J has two locations now... twice the fun!

Where?

Posted: 11/7/2005 2:36:57 PM EDT

[#10]

The new location is across the river, filling the void left when the Pistol Parlor went out of business. Route 9 and 20 in Rennsalaer.

Posted: 11/7/2005 2:38:37 PM EDT

[#11]

That's a great deal for someone who has a few pre-ban AR's.

Posted: 11/7/2005 2:39:12 PM EDT

[#12]

So if this goes through, I can go up to BJs one day and get an AR in pre-ban config?

Posted: 11/7/2005 2:44:27 PM EDT

[#13]

That is the goal!

Posted: 11/7/2005 2:46:11 PM EDT

[#14]

Quoted:
The new location is across the river, filling the void left when the Pistol Parlor went out of business. Route 9 and 20 in Rennsalaer.

Ha. My ex is from there.

Posted: 11/7/2005 2:53:42 PM EDT

[#15]

how about preban oly's?

Posted: 11/7/2005 2:55:10 PM EDT

[#16]

Quoted:
how about preban oly's?

For those that have receivers other than Bushmaster or Colt, B&J Guns will offer you TWO new Rock River Arms stripped lowers for your USED pre-ban lower.

Posted: 11/7/2005 2:56:21 PM EDT

[#17]

Quoted:
Dang, I have a pre-ban Eagle Arms rifle

Me too.

Posted: 11/7/2005 2:58:44 PM EDT

[#18]

So make it a new no ban rifle with a Rock River lower and a second lower to make another AR with!

Posted: 11/7/2005 2:59:06 PM EDT

[#19]

what's the legality of mounting a suppressor on any of these? As far as I know it doesn't matter any more because the ban has expired but I'm new to the world of class3 so I want to know if there is any reason I should not exchange my pre-ban lower for these no-ban lowers.

Does it matter if they are currently stripped if I have a reciept showing it left the shop as a full 20" HBAR?

Posted: 11/7/2005 3:00:59 PM EDT

[#20]

Quoted:
what's the legality of mounting a suppressor on any of these? As far as I know it doesn't matter any more because the ban has expired but I'm new to the world of class3 so I want to know if there is any reason I should not exchange my pre-ban lower for these no-ban lowers.

Over 2,000 posts and you don't even know what the awb was? Sound suppressors are NFA items. Flash suppressors are awb items.

Posted: 11/7/2005 3:02:27 PM EDT

[#21]

The NFA laws are completely seperate from the expired ban. If you have a receipt that shows it as a complete rifle, that docmentation always helps.

Posted: 11/7/2005 3:19:06 PM EDT

[#22]

tag

Posted: 11/7/2005 3:22:00 PM EDT

[#23]

Tag , I'll play.

Posted: 11/7/2005 3:24:55 PM EDT

[#24]

tag, I gotta check my S/N on the bushy

ETA.
Damm L292

must be post

Posted: 11/7/2005 3:28:35 PM EDT

[#25]

when would be an appropriate time to call?

I'd hate to bother him at dinner time....but the deal sounds too good to wait until tommorow

Posted: 11/7/2005 3:34:44 PM EDT

[#26]

That's about $315 worth of lowers. Then you have to pay transfers for them and, best case scenario, you are looking at (315-60) $255 worth of goods for your pre-ban lower.

Then "Brian," in turn, rapes us ban staters when we could just as easily send you $315 and you buy your own lowers... of a brand of your choosing.

There should be another "free-state, ban-state" trade thread. Work out your own deals, because I'm sure NY folks will eat up your Colts and CT people will eat up your Bushies. CT folks in particular will dive onto Olys, PWAs, etc. since our ban is worded differently than the Fed AWB.

I don't want to shit on a paying dealer or Hiram, but please don't pretend that ANYONE is doing anyone a favor here. The fact that we still pay out the nose for pre-bans does not mean that the continual raping we take on them is any less than what it is.

- BG

EDIT: I'll eat my words and be a bit less cranky if Brian hooks ban staters up with those lowers for $400 or less. Non-Colt/Bushy for $300 or less. This leaves room for him to recoup shipping costs and pocket a little.

Posted: 11/7/2005 3:38:43 PM EDT

[#27]

tag

Posted: 11/7/2005 3:43:35 PM EDT

[#28]

Great idea. If I had any pre '94 lowers I would go for it. I just sent my supply of pre ban GLOCK mags to an NY member last week.

Posted: 11/7/2005 3:49:05 PM EDT

[#29]

Quoted:
That's about $315 worth of lowers. Then you have to pay transfers for them and, best case scenario, you are looking at (315-60) $255 worth of goods for your pre-ban lower.

Then "Brian," in turn, rapes us ban staters when we could just as easily send you $315 and you buy your own lowers... of a brand of your choosing.

There should be another "free-state, ban-state" trade thread. Work out your own deals, because I'm sure NY folks will eat up your Colts and CT people will eat up your Bushies. CT folks in particular will dive onto Olys, PWAs, etc. since our ban is worded differently than the Fed AWB.

I don't want to shit on a paying dealer or Hiram, but please don't pretend that ANYONE is doing anyone a favor here. The fact that we still pay out the nose for pre-bans does not mean that the continual raping we take on them is any less than what it is.

- BG

EDIT: I'll eat my words and be a bit less cranky if Brian hooks ban staters up with those lowers for $400 or less. Non-Colt/Bushy for $300 or less. This leaves room for him to recoup shipping costs and pocket a little.

I didn't know Mike was preventing you from working out any deal you want for pre ban lowers, did he threaten you with his tiny dog? I managed to get a hold of a number of preban lowers after the ban ended without having my ankles bit.

Posted: 11/7/2005 3:59:02 PM EDT

[#30]

Quoted:
Quoted:
That's about $315 worth of lowers. Then you have to pay transfers for them and, best case scenario, you are looking at (315-60) $255 worth of goods for your pre-ban lower.

Then "Brian," in turn, rapes us ban staters when we could just as easily send you $315 and you buy your own lowers... of a brand of your choosing.

There should be another "free-state, ban-state" trade thread. Work out your own deals, because I'm sure NY folks will eat up your Colts and CT people will eat up your Bushies. CT folks in particular will dive onto Olys, PWAs, etc. since our ban is worded differently than the Fed AWB.

I don't want to shit on a paying dealer or Hiram, but please don't pretend that ANYONE is doing anyone a favor here. The fact that we still pay out the nose for pre-bans does not mean that the continual raping we take on them is any less than what it is.

- BG

EDIT: I'll eat my words and be a bit less cranky if Brian hooks ban staters up with those lowers for $400 or less. Non-Colt/Bushy for $300 or less. This leaves room for him to recoup shipping costs and pocket a little.

I didn't know Mike was preventing you from working out any deal you want for pre ban lowers, did he threaten you with his tiny dog? I managed to get a hold of a number of preban lowers after the ban ended without having my ankles bit.

I don't have the money to build another rifle. If someone put one up for $200, I simply don't have the money. A great guy hooked me up one-for-one, Bushy for Bushy, after the ban. I have a pre-ban Bushy, and it makes me very happy. THAT is helping someone out.

I'm not trying to knock Mike or Brian, but this all appears to be a thinly veiled attempt to make a profit but is presented as "helping." Like I said above, a new trade thread would be more helpful. No middle man and maybe a little less financial raping.

Right after the ban, dozens upon dozens of Arfcommers came together to help out ban-staters that they didn't even know. That was some fantastic stuff. This stripped lower deal is giving the free-staters less than we ban-staters are willing to pay and I betcha "someone" is going to make a good penny when they unload the pre-bans on us ban-staters at a high price.

Like I said, I look forward to eating my words if I am proven wrong. I don't see it happening, though.

- BG

Posted: 11/7/2005 4:05:05 PM EDT

[#31]

Not everyone knows about, or has access to AR15.com. If Brian gets more pre-ban lowers into NY and the guys out of state get a good deal then great. I would hope that Brian tries to make money in the process. I don't work for free and don't expect him to.

Personally I obviously can get ahold of pre-ban lowers easier than getting them from Brian, but I don't see how his buying them up hurts me and he's at least allowing people who don't have the ability to easily get pre bans to at least have one.

I can still get them on my own from guys from outside this area at whatever price I can negotiate, just like you can.

edit- I would doubt that Brian can move enough pre ban ARs to make that big of a difference, there aren't that many NYers willing to pay a premium for a pre-ban.

Posted: 11/7/2005 4:08:58 PM EDT

[#32]

There should be another "free-state, ban-state" trade thread. Work out your own deals, because I'm sure NY folks will eat up your Colts and CT people will eat up your Bushies. CT folks in particular will dive onto Olys, PWAs, etc. since our ban is worded differently than the Fed AWB

That is a dogone OUTSTANDING idea!!!!!!!!!!!!
I need a pre ban ! Fng NY liberal @#!$@!%#@!

Posted: 11/7/2005 4:09:49 PM EDT

[#33]

Quoted:
I'm not trying to knock Mike or Brian, but this all appears to be a thinly veiled attempt to make a profit but is presented as "helping."

What, particularly, do you find wrong with a dealer both helping out some ban staters and making a profit on it while he's at it?

I do not see any problem here.

Posted: 11/7/2005 4:12:38 PM EDT

[#34]

tag

Posted: 11/7/2005 4:13:57 PM EDT

[#35]

Quoted:
Not everyone knows about, or has access to AR15.com. If Brian gets more pre-ban lowers into NY and the guys out of state get a good deal then great. I would hope that Brian tries to make money in the process. I don't work for free and don't expect him to.

Personally I obviously can get ahold of pre-ban lowers easier than getting them from Brian, but I don't see how his buying them up hurts me and he's at least allowing people who don't have the ability to easily get pre bans to at least have one.

I can still get them on my own from guys from outside this area at whatever price I can negotiate, just like you can.

This isn't about me getting pre-bans. I am fine on ARs. I just put a down payment on an AK74, the total price of which excedes my current bank balance. I have NADA for funds.

If you check Shotgun news, Gunsamerica.com, gunbroker.com, or the EE you can find prebans. All I see in this thread in particular is an attempt to profit in the name of "helping." I think it is bogus.

We BOTH can get pre-bans. It isn't an availability thing. It is a price thing. Duping guys into getting rid of their prebans in order to "help" ban-staters when one will just reap the rewards is a farce.

I'm in no mood to get into a pissing match. When I need something, I go specifically to vendors that support the site. I don't like to talk smack but this smells like bullshit.

I'm happy to see pre-bans ending up behind enemy lines but for Christ's sake, the sellers are going to get duped and the ban-staters aren't going to get some awesome deal. We will, however, have a middle-man making some cash.

I see CT dealers doing this all the time. Snagging prebans online and dumping them in-store for profit. That's business. This deal in this thread is a scam.

Once again, I hope to eat my words in the future, in the event that anyone is duped into selling.

- BG

Posted: 11/7/2005 4:17:50 PM EDT

[#36]

Quoted:
Quoted:
I'm not trying to knock Mike or Brian, but this all appears to be a thinly veiled attempt to make a profit but is presented as "helping."

What, particularly, do you find wrong with a dealer both helping out some ban staters and making a profit on it while he's at it?

I do not see any problem here.

From Mike's original post:

"So why not take this opportunity to help your New York brethren out and receive three NEW receivers for your USED receiver?"

How bout you help out a ban-stater by selling your lower on the EE for less than what others are asking but still enough to buy three... no... FOUR stripped lowers!

How about a straight up one on one trade? THAT'S helping someone out.

Bushy lowers are going for $450-700. Ditch it to someone in NY for $400 and you are "helping" and getting more out of it than the current scheme.

- BG

Posted: 11/7/2005 4:18:22 PM EDT

[#37]

tag

Posted: 11/7/2005 5:06:33 PM EDT

[#38]

Tag,

Breacher

Posted: 11/7/2005 5:14:24 PM EDT

[#39]

I'm with Bucc_Guy on this. Of course, I am a cynical prick too. But $325.00 +/- worth of lowers in exchange for a lower that will sell for $600.00+/-? There's at least one New Yorker getting helped out.

Posted: 11/7/2005 5:17:36 PM EDT

[#40]

Quoted:
I'm with Bucc_Guy on this. Of course, I am a cynical prick too. But $325.00 +/- worth of lowers in exchange for a lower that will sell for $600.00+/-? There's at least one New Yorker getting helped out.

Did you just call me a cynical prick?

- BG

Posted: 11/7/2005 5:17:38 PM EDT

[#41]

I think it's a good offer. True, they intend to make a profit off the deal, but that's OK too.

When was the last time that the nay-sayers went out of their way to take a loss on a deal? And are any of them willing to even come close to what B&J have placed on the table?

I was gonna upgrade a couple of my ARs anyhow next month, and had discussed at length with my local AR expert about best-case options. This sounds like the way I'm gonna go, and I'll be calling B&J first thing tomorrow.

Posted: 11/7/2005 5:20:03 PM EDT

[#42]

Quoted:
I think it's a good offer. True, they intend to make a profit off the deal, but that's OK too.

When was the last time that the nay-sayers went out of their way to take a loss on a deal? And are any of them willing to even come close to what B&J have placed on the table?

I was gonna upgrade a couple of my ARs anyhow next month, and had discussed at length with my local AR expert about best-case options. This sounds like the way I'm gonna go, and I'll be calling B&J first thing tomorrow.

Are you still waiting for a Shrike, by any chance?

Just curious.

- BG

Posted: 11/7/2005 5:20:30 PM EDT

[#43]

Quoted:
Quoted:
what's the legality of mounting a suppressor on any of these? As far as I know it doesn't matter any more because the ban has expired but I'm new to the world of class3 so I want to know if there is any reason I should not exchange my pre-ban lower for these no-ban lowers.

Over 2,000 posts and you don't even know what the awb was? Sound suppressors are NFA items. Flash suppressors are awb items.

Sorry crashburnrepeat is correct. Because a sound suppressor is also a flash suppressor you were required to install it on a preban receiver prior to the sunset of the Federal AWB. If you had a registered machine gun then it didn't matter because a MG did not meet the definition of a SAW under the AWB.

So the answer is "it doesn't matter anymore."

Posted: 11/7/2005 5:34:58 PM EDT

[#44]

DAMNtag

And by the way, the free market supply and demand (with a little government involvement in this case) determines the price someone is willing to pay for an item. If a buyer and a seller agree to a price, it is a fair price to them.

In the current climate, folks are willing to pay a lot more in certain areas than others. That is life. Bitching about "fairness" makes one a whiny socialist asshole. You want economic charity (because that's what it is). Nothing wrong with that, until folks start demanding it. Charity is a good thing. But profit is not immoral when there is full disclosure. No one is being decieved here.

yeah your laws suck. Work to change them or move. Don't bitch at everyone else like a spoiled woman. Life is what it is. Your rant is nothing but a bunch of selfish Marxist economic oppression drivel.

Currently I'm in the market for a preban upper to help the good folks of ban states and help myself at the same time. AND I am perfectly moral in doing so.

Posted: 11/7/2005 5:44:24 PM EDT

[#45]

3 RRA lowers for your Pre-Ban Bushy/Colt in the EE would not fly.

Posted: 11/7/2005 5:49:21 PM EDT

[#46]

Brian has been selling complete preban lowers for $400 and $500 for colt... that is complete, with appropriate lower parts kits. This is three new stripped lowers for one used stripped lower that will then be completed at Brian's cost and sold to a customer. And yes, he will make a profit I'm sure... that is how people stay in business. However, if you have't been in the shop to know what you are talking about kindly refrain from impugning Brian's integrity. I can't tell you the number of free transfers, generous trade values and guns sold at cost he has done for ARFCOM members. However to imply he is flipping $300 of lowers for one he intends to sell for $600 is a lie. He hasn't sold them for that before, he isn;t going to start now.

Posted: 11/7/2005 7:25:12 PM EDT

[#47]

I guess that kinda sums it up now dosent it?

Posted: 11/7/2005 7:29:49 PM EDT

[#48]

Quoted:
I feel that this should be a sticky.

Sadly I am behind the wrong iron curtain.

+1

Posted: 11/7/2005 7:33:14 PM EDT

[#49]

Quoted:
I guess that kinda sums it up now dosent it?

yea,

My only complaint is that my 99% SGW lower is only worth 2 lowers and not 3.

Posted: 11/7/2005 7:39:29 PM EDT

[#50]

Sorry guys, I did not come up with this offer, I'm merely posting it. SGW lowers are pretty easy to come buy and some people don't want Olympic because the place burned and the records went with them. *shrug* Doesn't bother me, I have several myself. And there are customers who want Colt or Bushmaster and are willing to pay a little more, hence the offer of a third lower.

Anyway, the offer is there is anyone is interested. If not, then pass. I've been around here long enough, as has Brian to the NY crew, to be given the benefit of the doubt I'd think. Oh well... No matter what, someone is always gona scream scam. Makes me wonder sometimes exactly why they do...

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