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Posted: 10/12/2004 6:51:06 PM EST
Rebecca Peters wet dream.

How would it be enforced in Somalia? USA? Kosovo? ect.
Link Posted: 10/12/2004 6:52:29 PM EST
It could not be enforced, and god help them when they come to the USA. I honestly believe that this is the one issue that could easily start another civil war.
Link Posted: 10/12/2004 6:52:50 PM EST
It couldn't be enforced, that's the whole point.
Link Posted: 10/12/2004 6:52:52 PM EST
[Last Edit: 10/12/2004 6:53:42 PM EST by fight4yourrights]
It CAN be enforced - to a degree


- suing manufacturers out of business for gun violence

- mandating sweeping regulations on the industry, sale and transfer of weapons

- buy-backs and confiscations (she mentioned both)


They aren't going to come to Ohio to collect your guns, they will try to structure things where YOU will turn them in.

Link Posted: 10/12/2004 6:53:05 PM EST
The gun ban would be directed toward the free world, not the third world.

ARH

Link Posted: 10/12/2004 6:53:27 PM EST
In a country like Somalia?

Link Posted: 10/12/2004 6:53:41 PM EST
not only how can it be enforced but who is going to pay for it?
Link Posted: 10/12/2004 6:54:04 PM EST

Originally Posted By repub18:

not only how can it be enforced but who is going to pay for it?




GUN OWNERS - through licensing fees
Link Posted: 10/12/2004 6:55:11 PM EST

Originally Posted By repub18:
not only how can it be enforced but who is going to pay for it?



Good point but I bet UK, Canada and Japan put up a lot of money for it.

Still it would take millions of dollars if not billions.

Plus military operations to round up illegal guns.

CRC
Link Posted: 10/12/2004 6:55:14 PM EST
"How would a worldwide gun ban be enforced"

Could never happen.
Link Posted: 10/12/2004 6:55:25 PM EST
I aint payin no fees
Link Posted: 10/12/2004 6:56:12 PM EST

Originally Posted By CRC:

Originally Posted By repub18:
not only how can it be enforced but who is going to pay for it?



Good point but I bet UK, Canada and Japan put up a lot of money for it.

Still it would take millions of dollars if not billions.

Plus military operations to round up illegal guns.

CRC




on the magnitude that rebecca was talking about I would say trillions
Link Posted: 10/12/2004 6:56:21 PM EST
When was the last time the UN enforced anything?
Link Posted: 10/12/2004 6:56:53 PM EST

Originally Posted By WI_Rifleman:
I aint payin no fees



You wouldn't.

Heavily armed police would raid your house for your guns or soliders if not police.

This will be a total BAN,

Not even air rifles.
Link Posted: 10/12/2004 6:57:52 PM EST

Originally Posted By CRC:

Originally Posted By repub18:
not only how can it be enforced but who is going to pay for it?



Good point but I bet UK, Canada and Japan put up a lot of money for it.

Still it would take millions of dollars if not billions.

Plus military operations to round up illegal guns.

CRC



Canada currently has a 400% cost over run on their gun registration database, and people are openly and blatantly disobeying the registration laws.

I've heard stories of people going into police stations with unregistered firearms hoping to get arrested so that they can challenge the law in court. The police have refused to arrest them.
Link Posted: 10/12/2004 6:58:30 PM EST
Better stock up on ammo. The first thing they would do is stop the sale of ammunition, since they know that they would never be able to collect all the firearms .

Link Posted: 10/12/2004 6:58:48 PM EST
Canada is big into the UN.

Them and Japan.

CRC
Link Posted: 10/12/2004 6:59:45 PM EST
As long as there is a Russia, a China, or a third world, there will be black market manufacturers and sales of firearms.

Link Posted: 10/12/2004 7:00:44 PM EST

Originally Posted By CRC:

Originally Posted By WI_Rifleman:
I aint payin no fees



You wouldn't.

Heavily armed police would raid your house for your guns or soliders if not police.

This will be a total BAN,

Not even air rifles.



No they wouldn't. They don't have anywhere near enough resources to disarm the civilian population of the entire world by force.

The US Military can't even disarm a couple of thousand untrained insurgents in Iraq. How in the hell do you think they are going to disarm a place like Detroit or Los Angeles?
Link Posted: 10/12/2004 7:01:58 PM EST

Originally Posted By motown_steve:

Originally Posted By CRC:

Originally Posted By WI_Rifleman:
I aint payin no fees



You wouldn't.

Heavily armed police would raid your house for your guns or soliders if not police.

This will be a total BAN,

Not even air rifles.



No they wouldn't. They don't have anywhere near enough resources to disarm the civilian population of the entire world by force.

The US Military can't even disarm a couple of thousand untrained insurgents in Iraq. How in the hell do you think they are going to disarm a place like Detroit or Los Angeles?




I was thinking the same thing
Link Posted: 10/12/2004 7:02:04 PM EST

Originally Posted By motown_steve:

Originally Posted By CRC:

Originally Posted By WI_Rifleman:
I aint payin no fees



You wouldn't.

Heavily armed police would raid your house for your guns or soliders if not police.

This will be a total BAN,

Not even air rifles.



No they wouldn't. They don't have anywhere near enough resources to disarm the civilian population of the entire world by force.

The US Military can't even disarm a couple of thousand untrained insurgents in Iraq. How in the hell do you think they are going to disarm a place like Detroit or Los Angeles?



They will put US army soldiers under the UN and march in.

They will disarm each country one at a time with all resources.

CRC
Link Posted: 10/12/2004 7:03:58 PM EST

Originally Posted By CRC:

Originally Posted By motown_steve:

Originally Posted By CRC:

Originally Posted By WI_Rifleman:
I aint payin no fees



You wouldn't.

Heavily armed police would raid your house for your guns or soliders if not police.

This will be a total BAN,

Not even air rifles.



No they wouldn't. They don't have anywhere near enough resources to disarm the civilian population of the entire world by force.

The US Military can't even disarm a couple of thousand untrained insurgents in Iraq. How in the hell do you think they are going to disarm a place like Detroit or Los Angeles?



They will put US army soldiers under the UN and march in.

They will disarm each country one at a time with all resources.

CRC



If this happens it will be one huge bloodbath. The american people will not be disarmed, you can quote me on that. We are a nation founded on disobeying gun control and if we need to disobey it again to reaffirm our soveriegnty it will happen.
Link Posted: 10/12/2004 7:05:06 PM EST
[Last Edit: 10/12/2004 7:05:54 PM EST by fight4yourrights]
It's not about whether they CAN, it's about whether they will TRY!



How many laws are you willing to break? Most of us here try to comply with the law.

For me:




Link Posted: 10/12/2004 7:05:11 PM EST
Right now the UN has no legal mandate to go in and disarm people with force.

The laws will be changed and then they will.

Right now all they can do is wait for folks to hand them over.

CRC
Link Posted: 10/12/2004 7:05:17 PM EST

Originally Posted By CRC:

Originally Posted By motown_steve:

Originally Posted By CRC:

Originally Posted By WI_Rifleman:
I aint payin no fees



You wouldn't.

Heavily armed police would raid your house for your guns or soliders if not police.

This will be a total BAN,

Not even air rifles.



No they wouldn't. They don't have anywhere near enough resources to disarm the civilian population of the entire world by force.

The US Military can't even disarm a couple of thousand untrained insurgents in Iraq. How in the hell do you think they are going to disarm a place like Detroit or Los Angeles?



They will put US army soldiers under the UN and march in.

They will disarm each country one at a time with all resources.

CRC



Not going to happen. If you were in the .mil would you do it?
LMAO. Bring it on.

This WOULD start a Civil War. Not going to happen.
Link Posted: 10/12/2004 7:05:18 PM EST

Originally Posted By CRC:

Originally Posted By motown_steve:

Originally Posted By CRC:

Originally Posted By WI_Rifleman:
I aint payin no fees



You wouldn't.

Heavily armed police would raid your house for your guns or soliders if not police.

This will be a total BAN,

Not even air rifles.



No they wouldn't. They don't have anywhere near enough resources to disarm the civilian population of the entire world by force.

The US Military can't even disarm a couple of thousand untrained insurgents in Iraq. How in the hell do you think they are going to disarm a place like Detroit or Los Angeles?



They will put US army soldiers under the UN and march in.

They will disarm each country one at a time with all resources.

CRC




didnt US soliders pledge to defend the US Constitution?
Link Posted: 10/12/2004 7:06:23 PM EST
US soldiers have served under the UN in several occasions and did the UN's bidding in Somalia.

CRC
Link Posted: 10/12/2004 7:06:46 PM EST

Originally Posted By repub18:


didnt US soliders pledge to defend the US Constitution?





didn't sKerry?


didn't Bush? (Patriot Act, Campaign Finance Reform...........etc)
Link Posted: 10/12/2004 7:07:00 PM EST

Originally Posted By CRC:

Originally Posted By motown_steve:

Originally Posted By CRC:

Originally Posted By WI_Rifleman:
I aint payin no fees



You wouldn't.

Heavily armed police would raid your house for your guns or soliders if not police.

This will be a total BAN,

Not even air rifles.



No they wouldn't. They don't have anywhere near enough resources to disarm the civilian population of the entire world by force.

The US Military can't even disarm a couple of thousand untrained insurgents in Iraq. How in the hell do you think they are going to disarm a place like Detroit or Los Angeles?



They will put US army soldiers under the UN and march in.

They will disarm each country one at a time with all resources.

CRC



IF the American soldiers obeyed their orders, there still aren't anywhere enough! Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the total size of our enitre military under 5 million? And aren't there something like 80 million gun owners in this country.



I'm not going to be losing any sleep over it.
Link Posted: 10/12/2004 7:07:47 PM EST
I think some of our soldiers would stand up against these unlawful orders, but there will be some that will follow these orders for they are afraid of the consequences.
Link Posted: 10/12/2004 7:08:29 PM EST
Well considering the UN is having trouble getting peacekeepers for it's missions nowawdays, I wouldn't worry about foreign troops.

But domestic troops will be authorized to disarm the populace.

CRC
Link Posted: 10/12/2004 7:09:00 PM EST
[Last Edit: 10/12/2004 7:09:10 PM EST by fight4yourrights]
FORGET ABOUT CONFISCATION!


What are you going to do if the Senate agrees to this and the only gun for sale is a single shot?
Link Posted: 10/12/2004 7:09:22 PM EST

Originally Posted By WI_Rifleman:
I think some of our soldiers would stand up against these unlawful orders, but there will be some that will follow these orders for they are afraid of the consequences.



You bet.

And their will be some to follow them eagerly, wanting to please and help the UN.
Link Posted: 10/12/2004 7:09:42 PM EST
No treaty can violate the Constitution...the UN has no authority over the United States...don't worry about it...
Link Posted: 10/12/2004 7:10:10 PM EST

Originally Posted By Lockedon:
When was the last time the UN enforced anything?



yeah, wasn't it like 12 years of begging Saddam to let them inspect for weapons, etc? Then we go back and kick his ass...
Link Posted: 10/12/2004 7:10:17 PM EST
This is one way our government will start doing the UN's bidding. This is how Canada caved in....


Regulations Prescribing Certain Firearms and other Weapons, Components and Parts of Weapons, Accessories, Cartridge Magazines, Ammunition and Projectiles as Prohibited or Restricted

SOR/98-462

Registration 16 September, 1998

CRIMINAL CODE

Regulations Prescribing Certain Firearms and other Weapons, Components and Parts of Weapons, Accessories, Cartridge Magazines, Ammunition and Projectiles as Prohibited or Restricted

P.C. 1998-1662 16 September, 1998

His Excellency the Governor General in Council, on the recommendation of the Minister of Justice, pursuant to the definitions "prohibited ammunition"a, "prohibited device"a, "prohibited firearm"a, "prohibited weapon"a and "restricted firearm"a in subsection 84(1) and to subsection 117.15(1)a of the Criminal Code, hereby makes the annexed Regulations Prescribing Certain Firearms and other Weapons, Components and Parts of Weapons, Accessories, Cartridge Magazines, Ammunition and Projectiles as Prohibited or Restricted.

a S.C. 1995, c. 39, s. 139

REGULATIONS PRESCRIBING CERTAIN FIREARMS AND OTHER WEAPONS, COMPONENTS AND PARTS OF WEAPONS, ACCESSORIES, CARTRIDGE MAGAZINES, AMMUNITION AND PROJECTILES AS PROHIBITED OR RESTRICTED

INTERPRETATION


1. In these Regulations, "semi-automatic", in respect of a firearm, means a firearm that is equipped with a mechanism that, following the discharge of a cartridge, automatically operates to complete any part of the reloading cycle necessary to prepare for the discharge of the next cartridge.

PRESCRIPTION


2. The firearms listed in Part 1 of the schedule are prohibited firearms for the purposes of paragraph (d) of the definition "prohibited firearm" in subsection 84(1) of the Criminal Code.


3. The firearms listed in Part 2 of the schedule are restricted firearms for the purposes of paragraph (d) of the definition "restricted firearm" in subsection 84(1) of the Criminal Code.


4. The weapons listed in Part 3 of the schedule are prohibited weapons for the purposes of paragraph (b) of the definition "prohibited weapon" in subsection 84(1) of the Criminal Code.


5. The components and parts of weapons, accessories, and cartridge magazines listed in Part 4 of the schedule are prohibited devices for the purposes of paragraphs (a) and (d) of the definition "prohibited device" in subsection 84(1) of the Criminal Code.


6. The ammunition and projectiles listed in Part 5 of the schedule are prohibited ammunition for the purposes of the definition "prohibited ammunition" in subsection 84(1) of the Criminal Code.

COMING INTO FORCE


7. These Regulations come into force on December 1, 1998. SOR/98-472, s. 1.

SCHEDULE
(Sections 2 to 6)

PART 1
PROHIBITED FIREARMS

Former Prohibited Weapons Order, No. 3


1. Any firearm capable of discharging a dart or other object carrying an electrical current or substance, including the firearm of the design commonly known as the Taser Public Defender and any variant or modified version of it.

Former Prohibited Weapons Order, No. 8


2. The firearm known as the SSS-1 Stinger and any similar firearm designed or of a size to fit in the palm of the hand.

Former Prohibited Weapons Order, No. 11


3. The firearm of the design commonly known as the Franchi SPAS 12 shotgun, and any variant or modified version of it, including the Franchi LAW 12 shotgun.


4. The firearm of the design commonly known as the Striker shotgun, and any variant or modified version of it, including the Striker 12 shotgun and the Streetsweeper shotgun.


5. The firearm of the design commonly known as the USAS-12 Auto Shotgun, and any variant or modified version of it.


6. The firearm of the design commonly known as the Franchi SPAS-15 shotgun, and any variant or modified version of it.


7. The firearms of the designs commonly known as the Benelli M1 Super 90 shotgun and the Benelli M3 Super 90 shotgun, and any variants or modified versions of them, with the exception of the

(a) M1 Super 90 Field;

(b) M1 Super 90 Sporting Special;

(c) Montefeltro Super 90;

(d) Montefeltro Super 90 Standard Hunter;

(e) Montefeltro Super 90 Left Hand;

(f) Montefeltro Super 90 Turkey;

(g) Montefeltro Super 90 Uplander;

(h) Montefeltro Super 90 Slug;

(i) Montefeltro Super 90 20 Gauge;

(j) Black Eagle;

(k) Black Eagle Limited Edition;

(l) Black Eagle Competition;

(m) Black Eagle Slug Gun;

(n) Super Black Eagle; and

(o) Super Black Eagle Custom Slug.


8. The firearms of the designs commonly known as the Bernardelli B4 shotgun and the Bernardelli B4/B shotgun, and any variants or modified versions of them.


9. The firearm of the design commonly known as the American 180 Auto Carbine, and any variant or modified version of it, including the AM-180 Auto Carbine and the Illinois Arms Company Model 180 Auto Carbine.


10. The firearms of the designs commonly known as the Barrett "Light Fifty" Model 82A1 rifle and the Barrett Model 90 rifle, and any variants or modified versions of them.


11. The firearm of the design commonly known as the Calico M-900 rifle, and any variant or modified version of it, including the M-951 carbine, M-100 carbine and M-105 carbine.


12. The firearm of the design commonly known as the Iver Johnson AMAC long-range rifle, and any variant or modified version of it.


13. The firearm of the design commonly known as the McMillan M87 rifle, and any variant or modified version of it, including the McMillan M87R rifle and the McMillan M88 carbine.


14. The firearms of the designs commonly known as the Pauza Specialties P50 rifle and P50 carbine, and any variants or modified versions of them.


15. The firearm of the design commonly known as the Encom MK-IV carbine, and any variant or modified version of it.


16. The firearms of the designs commonly known as the Encom MP-9 and MP-45 carbines, and any variants or modified versions of them.


17. The firearm of the design commonly known as the FAMAS rifle, and any variant or modified version of it, including the MAS 223, FAMAS Export, FAMAS Civil and Mitchell MAS/22.


18. The firearm of the design commonly known as the Feather AT-9 Semi-Auto Carbine, and any variant or modified version of it, including the Feather AT-22 Auto Carbine.


19. The firearm of the design commonly known as the Federal XC-450 Auto Rifle, and any variant or modified version of it, including the Federal XC-900 rifle and Federal XC-220 rifle.


20. The firearm of the design commonly known as the Gepard long-range sniper rifle, and any variant or modified version of it.


21. The firearm of the design commonly known as the Heckler and Koch (HK) Model G11 rifle, and any variant or modified version of it.


22. The firearm of the design commonly known as the Research Armament Industries (RAI) Model 500 rifle, and any variant or modified version of it.


23. The firearm of the design commonly known as the Spectre Auto Carbine, and any variant or modified version of it.


24. The firearm of the design commonly known as the US Arms PMAI "Assault" 22 rifle, and any variant or modified version of it.


25. The firearm of the design commonly known as the Weaver Arms Nighthawk Carbine, and any variant or modified version of it.


26. The firearm of the design commonly known as the A.A. Arms AR9 Semi-Automatic Rifle, and any variant or modified version of it.


27. The firearms of the designs commonly known as the Claridge HI-TEC C, LEC-9 and ZLEC-9 carbines, and any variants or modified versions of them.


28. The firearm of the design commonly known as the Kimel Industries AR-9 rifle or carbine, and any variant or modified version of it.


29. The firearm of the design commonly known as the Grendel R-31 Auto Carbine, and any variant or modified version of it.


30. The firearms of the designs commonly known as the Maadi Griffin Rifle and the Maadi Griffin Carbine, and any variants or modified versions of them.


31. The firearm of the design commonly known as the AA Arms Model AR-9 carbine, and any variant or modified version of it.


32. The firearm of the design commonly known as the Bushmaster Auto Pistol, and any variant or modified version of it.


33. The firearm of the design commonly known as the Calico M-950 Auto Pistol, and any variant or modified version of it, including the M-110 pistol.


34. The firearm of the design commonly known as the Encom MK-IV assault pistol, and any variant or modified version of it.


35. The firearms of the designs commonly known as the Encom MP-9 and MP-45 assault pistols, and any variants or modified versions of them, including the Encom MP-9 and MP-45 mini pistols.


36. The firearm of the design commonly known as the Federal XP-450 Auto Pistol, and any variant or modified version of it, including the XP-900 Auto Pistol.


37. The firearm of the design commonly known as the Heckler and Koch (HK) SP89 Auto Pistol, and any variant or modified version of it.


38. The firearm of the design commonly known as the Intratec Tec-9 Auto Pistol, and any variant or modified version of it, including the Tec-9S, Tec-9M, Tec-9MS, and any semi-automatic variants of them, including the Tec-DC9, Tec-DC9M, Tec-9A, Tec-Scorpion, Tec-22T and Tec-22TN.


39. The firearms of the designs commonly known as the Iver Johnson Enforcer Model 3000 Auto Pistol and the Iver Johnson Plainfield Super Enforcer Carbine, and any variants or modified versions of them.


40. The firearm of the design commonly known as the Skorpion Auto Pistol, and any variant or modified version of it.


41. The firearm of the design commonly known as the Spectre Auto Pistol, and any variant or modified version of it.


42. The firearm of the design commonly known as the Sterling Mk 7 pistol, and any variant or modified version of it, including the Sterling Mk 7 C4 and Sterling Mk 7 C8.


43. The firearm of the design commonly known as the Universal Enforcer Model 3000 Auto Carbine, and any variant or modified version of it, including the Universal Enforcer Model 3010N, Model 3015G, Model 3020TRB and Model 3025TCO Carbines.


44. The firearm of the design commonly known as the US Arms PMAIP "Assault" 22 pistol, and any variant or modified version of it.


45. The firearm of the design commonly known as the Goncz High-Tech Long Pistol, and any variant or modified version of it, including the Claridge Hi-Tec models S, L, T, ZL-9 and ZT-9 pistols.


46. The firearm of the design commonly known as the Leader Mark 5 Auto Pistol, and any variant or modified version of it.


47. The firearm of the design commonly known as the OA-93 assault pistol, and any variant or modified version of it.


48. The firearm of the design commonly known as the A.A. Arms AP9 Auto Pistol, and any variant or modified version of it.


49. The firearm of the design commonly known as the Patriot pistol, and any variant or modified version of it.


50. The firearm of the design commonly known as the XM 231S pistol, and any variant or modified version of it, including the A1, A2 and A3 Flattop pistols.


51. The firearm of the design commonly known as the AA Arms Model AP-9 pistol, and any variant or modified version of it, including the Target AP-9 and the Mini AP-9 pistols.


52. The firearm of the design commonly known as the Kimel Industries AP-9 pistol, and any variant or modified version of it.


53. The firearms of the designs commonly known as the Grendel P-30, P-30 M, P-30 L and P-31 pistols, and any variants or modified versions of them.


54. The firearms of the designs commonly known as the Claridge HI-TEC ZL-9, HI-TEC S, HI-TEC L, HI-TEC T, HI-TEC ZT-9 and HI-TEC ZL-9 pistols, and any variants or modified versions of them.


55. The firearm of the design commonly known as the Steyr SPP Assault Pistol, and any variant or modified version of it.


56. The firearm of the design commonly known as the Maadi Griffin Pistol, and any variant or modified version of it.


57. The firearm of the design commonly known as the Interdynamics KG-99 Assault Pistol, and any variant or modified version of it.

Former Prohibited Weapons Order, No. 12


58. The firearm of the design commonly known as the Sterling Mk 6 Carbine, and any variant or modified version of it.


59. The firearm of the design commonly known as the Steyr AUG rifle, and any variant or modified version of it.


60. The firearm of the design commonly known as the UZI carbine, and any variant or modified version of it, including the UZI Model A carbine and the Mini-UZI carbine.


61. The firearms of the designs commonly known as the Ingram M10 and M11 pistols, and any variants or modified versions of them, including the Cobray M10 and M11 pistols, the RPB M10, M11, SM10 and SM11 pistols and the SWD M10, M11, SM10 and SM11 pistols.


62. The firearm of the design commonly known as the Partisan Avenger Auto Pistol, and any variant or modified version of it.


63. The firearm of the design commonly known as the UZI pistol, and any variant or modified version of it, including the Micro-UZI pistol.

Former Prohibited Weapons Order, No. 13


64. The firearm of the design commonly known as the AK-47 rifle, and any variant or modified version of it except for the Valmet Hunter, the Valmet Hunter Auto and the Valmet M78 rifles, but including the

(a) AK-74;

(b) AK Hunter;

(c) AKM;

(d) AKM-63;

(e) AKS-56S;

(f) AKS-56S-1;

(g) AKS-56S-2;

(h) AKS-74;

(i) AKS-84S-1;

(j) AMD-65;

(k) AR Model .223;

(l) Dragunov;

(m) Galil;

(n) KKMPi69;

(o) M60;

(p) M62;

(q) M70B1;

(r) M70AB2;

(s) M76;

(t) M77B1;

(u) M78;

(v) M80;

(w) M80A;

(x) MAK90;

(y) MPiK;

(z) MPiKM;

(z.1) MPiKMS-72;

(z.2) MPiKS;

(z.3) PKM;

(z.4) PKM-DGN-60;

(z.5) PMKM;

(z.6) RPK;

(z.7) RPK-74;

(z.8) RPK-87S;

(z.9) Type 56;

(z.10) Type 56-1;

(z.11) Type 56-2;

(z.12) Type 56-3;

(z.13) Type 56-4;

(z.14) Type 68;

(z.15) Type 79;

(z.16) American Arms AKY39;

(z.17) American Arms AKF39;

(z.18) American Arms AKC47;

(z.19) American Arms AKF47;

(z.20) MAM70WS762;

(z.21) MAM70FS762;

(z.22) Mitchell AK-22;

(z.23) Mitchell AK-47;

(z.24) Mitchell Heavy Barrel AK-47;

(z.25) Norinco 84S;

(z.26) Norinco 84S AK;

(z.27) Norinco 56;

(z.28) Norinco 56-1;

(z.29) Norinco 56-2;

(z.30) Norinco 56-3;

(z.31) Norinco 56-4;

(z.32) Poly Technologies Inc. AK-47/S;

(z.33) Poly Technologies Inc. AKS-47/S;

(z.34) Poly Technologies Inc. AKS-762;

(z.35) Valmet M76;

(z.36) Valmet M76 carbine;

(z.37) Valmet M78/A2;

(z.38) Valmet M78 (NATO) LMG;

(z.39) Valmet M82; and

(z.40) Valmet M82 Bullpup.


65. The firearm of the design commonly known as the Armalite AR-180 Sporter carbine, and any variant or modified version of it.


66. The firearm of the design commonly known as the Beretta AR70 assault rifle, and any variant or modified version of it.


67. The firearm of the design commonly known as the BM 59 rifle, and any variant or modified version of it, including

(a) the Beretta

(i) BM 59,

(ii) BM 59R,

(iii) BM 59GL,

(iv) BM 59D,

(v) BM 59 Mk E,

(vi) BM 59 Mk I,

(vii) BM 59 Mk Ital,

(viii) BM 59 Mk II,

(ix) BM 59 Mk III,

(x) BM 59 Mk Ital TA,

(xi) BM 59 Mk Ital Para,

(xii) BM 59 Mk Ital TP, and

(xiii) BM 60CB; and

(b) the Springfield Armory

(i) BM 59 Alpine,

(ii) BM 59 Alpine Paratrooper, and

(iii) BM 59 Nigerian Mk IV.


68. The firearm of the design commonly known as the Bushmaster Auto Rifle, and any variant or modified version of it.


69. The firearm of the design commonly known as the Cetme Sport Auto Rifle, and any variant or modified version of it.


70. The firearm of the design commonly known as the Daewoo K1 rifle, and any variant or modified version of it, including the Daewoo K1A1, K2, Max 1, Max 2, AR-100, AR 110C, MAXI-II and KC-20.


71. The firearm of the design commonly known as the Demro TAC-1M carbine, and any variant or modified version of it, including the Demro XF-7 Wasp Carbine.


72. The firearm of the design commonly known as the Eagle Apache Carbine, and any variant or modified version of it.


73. The firearm of the design commonly known as the FN-FNC rifle, and any variant or modified version of it, including the FNC Auto Rifle, FNC Auto Paratrooper, FNC-11, FNC-22 and FNC-33.


74. The firearm of the design commonly known as the FN-FAL (FN-LAR) rifle, and any variant or modified version of it, including the FN 308 Model 44, FN-FAL (FN-LAR) Competition Auto, FN-FAL (FN-LAR) Heavy Barrel 308 Match, FN-FAL (FN-LAR) Paratrooper 308 Match 50-64 and FN 308 Model 50-63.


75. The firearm of the design commonly known as the G3 rifle, and any variant or modified version of it, including the Heckler and Koch

(a) HK 91;

(b) HK 91A2;

(c) HK 91A3;

(d) HK G3 A3;

(e) HK G3 A3 ZF;

(f) HK G3 A4;

(g) HK G3 SG/1; and

(h) HK PSG1.


76. The firearm of the design commonly known as the Galil assault rifle, and any variant or modified version of it, including the AP-84, Galil ARM, Galil AR, Galil SAR, Galil 332 and Mitchell Galil/22 Auto Rifle.


77. The firearm of the design commonly known as the Goncz High-Tech Carbine, and any variant or modified version of it.


78. The firearm of the design commonly known as the Heckler and Koch HK 33 rifle, and any variant or modified version of it, including the

(a) HK 33A2;

(b) HK 33A3;

(c) HK 33KA1;

(d) HK 93;

(e) HK 93A2; and

(f) HK 93A3.


79. The firearm of the design commonly known as the J & R Eng M-68 carbine, and any variant or modified version of it, including the PJK M-68 and the Wilkinson Terry carbine.


80. The firearm of the design commonly known as the Leader Mark Series Auto Rifle, and any variant or modified version of it.


81. The firearms of the designs commonly known as the MP5 submachine gun and MP5 carbine, and any variants or modified versions of them, including the Heckler and Koch

(a) HK MP5;

(b) HK MP5A2;

(c) HK MP5A3;

(d) HK MP5K;

(e) HK MP5SD;

(f) HK MP5SD1;

(g) HK MP5SD2;

(h) HK MP5SD3;

(i) HK 94;

(j) HK 94A2; and

(k) HK 94A3.


82. The firearm of the design commonly known as the PE57 rifle, and any variant or modified version of it.


83. The firearms of the designs commonly known as the SG-550 rifle and SG-551 carbine, and any variants or modified versions of them.


84. The firearm of the design commonly known as the SIG AMT rifle, and any variant or modified version of it.


85. The firearm of the design commonly known as the Springfield Armory SAR-48 rifle, and any variant or modified version of it, including the SAR-48 Bush, SAR-48 Heavy Barrel, SAR-48 Para and SAR-48 Model 22.


86. The firearm of the design commonly known as the Thompson submachine gun, and any variant or modified version of it, including the

(a) Thompson Model 1921;

(b) Thompson Model 1927;

(c) Thompson Model 1928;

(d) Thompson Model M1;

(e) Auto-Ordnance M27A-1;

(f) Auto-Ordnance M27A-1 Deluxe;

(g) Auto-Ordnance M1927A-3;

(h) Auto-Ordnance M1927A-5;

(i) Auto-Ordnance Thompson M1;

(j) Commando Arms Mk I;

(k) Commando Arms Mk II;

(l) Commando Arms Mk III;

(m) Commando Arms Mk 9; and

(n) Commando Arms Mk 45.

PART 2
RESTRICTED FIREARMS

Former Restricted Weapons Order


1. The firearms of the designs commonly known as the High Standard Model 10, Series A shotgun and the High Standard Model 10, Series B shotgun, and any variants or modified versions of them.


2. The firearm of the design commonly known as the M-16 rifle, and any variant or modified version of it, including the

(a) Colt AR-15;

(b) Colt AR-15 SPI;

(c) Colt AR-15 Sporter;

(d) Colt AR-15 Collapsible Stock Model;

(e) Colt AR-15 A2;

(f) Colt AR-15 A2 Carbine;

(g) Colt AR-15 A2 Government Model Rifle;

(h) Colt AR-15 A2 Government Model Target Rifle;

(i) Colt AR-15 A2 Government Model Carbine;

(j) Colt AR-15 A2 Sporter II;

(k) Colt AR-15 A2 H-BAR;

(l) Colt AR-15 A2 Delta H-BAR;

(m) Colt AR-15 A2 Delta H-BAR Match;

(n) Colt AR-15 9mm Carbine;

(o) Armalite AR-15;

(p) AAI M15;

(q) AP74;

(r) EAC J-15;

(s) PWA Commando;

(t) SGW XM15A;

(u) SGW CAR-AR;

(v) SWD AR-15; and

(w) any 22-calibre rimfire variant, including the

(i) Mitchell M-16A-1/22,

(ii) Mitchell M-16/22,

(iii) Mitchell CAR-15/22, and

(iv) AP74 Auto Rifle.

PART 3
PROHIBITED WEAPONS

Former Prohibited Weapons Order, No. 1


1. Any device designed to be used for the purpose of injuring, immobilizing or otherwise incapacitating any person by the discharge therefrom of

(a) tear gas, Mace or other gas, or

(b) any liquid, spray, powder or other substance that is capable of injuring, immobilizing or otherwise incapacitating any person.

Former Prohibited Weapons Order, No. 2


2. Any instrument or device commonly known as "nunchaku", being hard non-flexible sticks, clubs, pipes, or rods linked by a length or lengths of rope, cord, wire or chain, and any similar instrument or device.


3. Any instrument or device commonly known as "shuriken", being a hard non-flexible plate having three or more radiating points with one or more sharp edges in the shape of a polygon, trefoil, cross, star, diamond or other geometrical shape, and any similar instrument or device.


4. Any instrument or device commonly known as "manrikigusari" or "kusari", being hexagonal or other geometrically shaped hard weights or hand grips linked by a length or lengths of rope, cord, wire or chain, and any similar instrument or device.


5. Any finger ring that has one or more blades or sharp objects that are capable of being projected from the surface of the ring.

Former Prohibited Weapons Order, No. 3


6. Any device that is designed to be capable of injuring, immobilizing or incapacitating a person or an animal by discharging an electrical charge produced by means of the amplification or accumulation of the electrical current generated by a battery, where the device is designed or altered so that the electrical charge may be discharged when the device is of a length of less than 480 mm, and any similar device.


7. A crossbow or similar device that


(a) is designed or altered to be aimed and fired by the action of one hand, whether or not it has been redesigned or subsequently altered to be aimed and fired by the action of both hands; or


(b) has a length not exceeding 500 mm.

Former Prohibited Weapons Order, No. 4


8. The device known as the "Constant Companion", being a belt containing a blade capable of being withdrawn from the belt, with the buckle of the belt forming a handle for the blade, and any similar device.


9. Any knife commonly known as a "push-dagger" that is designed in such a fashion that the handle is placed perpendicular to the main cutting edge of the blade and any other similar device other than the aboriginal "ulu" knife.


10. Any device having a length of less than 30 cm and resembling an innocuous object but designed to conceal a knife or blade, including the device commonly known as the "knife-comb", being a comb with the handle of the comb forming a handle for the knife, and any similar device.

Former Prohibited Weapons Order, No. 5


11. The device commonly known as a "Spiked Wristband", being a wristband to which a spike or blade is affixed, and any similar device.

Former Prohibited Weapons Order, No. 6


12. The device commonly known as "Yaqua Blowgun", being a tube or pipe designed for the purpose of shooting arrows or darts by the breath, and any similar device.

Former Prohibited Weapons Order, No. 7


13. The device commonly known as a "Kiyoga Baton" or "Steel Cobra" and any similar device consisting of a manually triggered telescoping spring-loaded steel whip terminated in a heavy calibre striking tip.


14. The device commonly known as a "Morning Star" and any similar device consisting of a ball of metal or other heavy material, studded with spikes and connected to a handle by a length of chain, rope or other flexible material.

Former Prohibited Weapons Order, No. 8


15. The device known as "Brass Knuckles" and any similar device consisting of a band of metal with one or more finger holes designed to fit over the fingers of the hand.

PART 4
PROHIBITED DEVICES

Former Prohibited Weapons Order, No. 9


1. Any electrical or mechanical device that is designed or adapted to operate the trigger mechanism of a semi-automatic firearm for the purpose of causing the firearm to discharge cartridges in rapid succession.


2. Any rifle, shotgun or carbine stock of the type known as the "bull-pup" design, being a stock that, when combined with a firearm, reduces the overall length of the firearm such that a substantial part of the reloading action or the magazine-well is located behind the trigger of the firearm when it is held in the normal firing position.

Former Cartridge Magazine Control Regulations


3. (1) Any cartridge magazine

(a) that is capable of containing more than five cartridges of the type for which the magazine was originally designed and that is designed or manufactured for use in

(i) a semi-automatic handgun that is not commonly available in Canada,

(ii) a semi-automatic firearm other than a semi-automatic handgun,

(iii) an automatic firearm whether or not it has been altered to discharge only one projectile with one pressure of the trigger,

(iv) the firearms of the designs commonly known as the Ingram M10 and M11 pistols, and any variants or modified versions of them, including the Cobray M10 and M11 pistols, the RPB M10, M11 and SM11 pistols and the SWD M10, M11, SM10 and SM11 pistols,

(v) the firearm of the design commonly known as the Partisan Avenger Auto Pistol, and any variant or modified version of it, or

(vi) the firearm of the design commonly known as the UZI pistol, and any variant or modified version of it, including the Micro-UZI pistol; or

(b) that is capable of containing more than 10 cartridges of the type for which the magazine was originally designed and that is designed or manufactured for use in a semi-automatic handgun that is commonly available in Canada.


(2) Paragraph (1)(a) does not include any cartridge magazine that

(a) was originally designed or manufactured for use in a firearm that

(i) is chambered for, or designed to use, rimfire cartridges,

(ii) is a rifle of the type commonly known as the "Lee Enfield" rifle, where the magazine is capable of containing not more than 10 cartridges of the type for which the magazine was originally designed, or

(iii) is commonly known as the U.S. Rifle M1 (Garand) including the Beretta M1 Garand rifle, the Breda M1 Garand rifle and the Springfield Armoury M1 Garand rifle;

(b) is not a reproduction and was originally designed or manufactured for use in a firearm that

(i) is commonly known as the Charlton Rifle,

(ii) is commonly known as the Farquhar-Hill Rifle, or

(iii) is commonly known as the Huot Automatic Rifle;

(c) is of the "drum" type, is not a reproduction and was originally designed or manufactured for use in a firearm commonly known as

(i) the .303 in. Lewis Mark 1 machine-gun, or any variant or modified version of it, including the Lewis Mark 1*, Mark 2, Mark 2*, Mark 3, Mark 4, Lewis SS and .30 in. Savage-Lewis,

(ii) the .303 in. Vickers Mark 1 machine-gun, or any variant or modified version of it, including the Mark 1*, Mark 2, Mark 2*, Mark 3, Mark 4, Mark 4B, Mark 5, Mark 6, Mark 6* and Mark 7, or

(iii) the Bren Light machine-gun, or any variant or modified version of it, including the Mark 1, Mark 2, Mark 2/1, Mark 3 and Mark 4;

(d) is of the "metallic-strip" type, is not a reproduction and was originally designed or manufactured for use in conjunction with the firearm known as the Hotchkiss machine-gun, Model 1895 or Model 1897, or any variant or modified version of it, including the Hotchkiss machine-gun, Model 1900, Model 1909, Model 1914 and Model 1917, and the Hotchkiss machine-gun (Enfield), Number 2, Mark 1 and Mark 1*;

(e) is of the "saddle-drum" type (doppeltrommel or satteltrommel), is not a reproduction and was originally designed or manufactured for use in the automatic firearms known as the MG-13, MG-15, MG-17, MG-34, T6-200 or T6-220, or any variant or modified version of it; or

(f) is of the "belt" type consisting of a fabric or metal belt, is not a reproduction and was originally designed or manufactured for the purpose of feeding cartridges into a automatic firearm of a type that was in existence before 1945.


(3) Paragraph (1)(b) does not include any cartridge magazine that

(a) is of the "snail-drum" type (schneckentrommel) that was originally designed or manufactured for use in a firearm that is a handgun known as the Parabellum-Pistol, System Borchardt-Luger, Model 1900, or "Luger", or any variant or modified version of it, including the Model 1902, Model 1904 (Marine), Model 1904/06 (Marine), Model 1904/08 (Marine), Model 1906, Model 1908 and Model 1908 (Artillery) pistols;

(b) was originally designed or manufactured for use in a firearm that is a semi-automatic handgun, where the magazine was manufactured before 1910;

(c) was originally designed or manufactured as an integral part of the firearm known as the Mauser Selbstladepistole C/96 ("broomhandle"), or any variant or modified version of it, including the Model 1895, Model 1896, Model 1902, Model 1905, Model 1912, Model 1915, Model 1930, Model 1931, M711 and M712; or

(d) was originally designed or manufactured for use in the semi-automatic firearm that is a handgun known as the Webley and Scott Self-Loading Pistol, Model 1912 or Model 1915.


(4) A cartridge magazine described in subsection (1) that has been altered or re-manufactured so that it is not capable of containing more than five or ten cartridges, as the case may be, of the type for which it was originally designed is not a prohibited device as prescribed by that subsection if the modification to the magazine cannot be easily removed and the magazine cannot be easily further altered so that it is so capable of containing more than five or ten cartridges, as the case may be.


(5) For the purposes of subsection (4), altering or re-manufacturing a cartridge magazine includes

(a) the indentation of its casing by forging, casting, swaging or impressing;

(b) in the case of a cartridge magazine with a steel or aluminum casing, the insertion and attachment of a plug, sleeve, rod, pin, flange or similar device, made of steel or aluminum, as the case may be, or of a similar material, to the inner surface of its casing by welding, brazing or any other similar method; or

(c) in the case of a cartridge magazine with a casing made of a material other than steel or aluminum, the attachment of a plug, sleeve, rod, pin, flange or similar device, made of steel or of a material similar to that of the magazine casing, to the inner surface of its casing by welding, brazing or any other similar method or by applying a permanent adhesive substance, such as a cement or an epoxy or other glue.

PART 5
PROHIBITED AMMUNITION

Former Prohibited Weapons Order, No. 10


1. Any cartridge that is capable of being discharged from a commonly available semi-automatic handgun or revolver and that is manufactured or assembled with a projectile that is designed, manufactured or altered so as to be capable of penetrating body armour, including KTW, THV and 5.7 x 28 mm P-90 cartridges.


2. Any projectile that is designed, manufactured or altered to ignite on impact, where the projectile is designed for use in or in conjunction with a cartridge and does not exceed 15 mm in diameter.


3. Any projectile that is designed, manufactured or altered so as to explode on impact, where the projectile is designed for use in or in conjunction with a cartridge and does not exceed 15 mm in diameter.


4. Any cartridge that is capable of being discharged from a shotgun and that contains projectiles known as "fléchettes" or any similar projectiles.



Link Posted: 10/12/2004 7:10:39 PM EST
There is a law against the army enforcing domestic laws, so theoretically the army could not do it. My guess if it did happen, and that is a big if, it would be local police units. There are more police in our nation than soldiers.
Link Posted: 10/12/2004 7:11:04 PM EST

Originally Posted By fight4yourrights:
FORGET ABOUT CONFISCATION!


What are you going to do if the Senate agrees to this and the only gun for sale is a single shot?



"The course of action that I would suggest, is a course of action that I cannot suggest"

The President - Clear and Present Danger
Link Posted: 10/12/2004 7:11:14 PM EST

Originally Posted By IamtheNRA:
No treaty can violate the Constitution...the UN has no authority over the United States...don't worry about it...



But an anti-gun president can call out the feds and military to disarm civilians if he agrees with the UN.


Link Posted: 10/12/2004 7:12:22 PM EST

Originally Posted By CRC:
Well considering the UN is having trouble getting peacekeepers for it's missions nowawdays, I wouldn't worry about foreign troops.

But domestic troops will be authorized to disarm the populace.

CRC



No they won't.
You'd have plenty of units where the majority of the troops deserted or mutinied. And yes I really believe that. At least if the guys in the service now are anything like they were when I was in.

Hopefully, they'll bring some of their cool shit with them.
Link Posted: 10/12/2004 7:13:04 PM EST

Originally Posted By WI_Rifleman:
There is a law against the army enforcing domestic laws, so theoretically the army could not do it. My guess if it did happen, and that is a big if, it would be local police units. There are more police in our nation than soldiers.



Posse Comototis (sp??) prevents Federal troops from being used for law enforcement. I don't believe it applies to the national guard.
Link Posted: 10/12/2004 7:15:18 PM EST
[Last Edit: 10/12/2004 7:15:58 PM EST by repub18]

Originally Posted By CRC:

Originally Posted By IamtheNRA:
No treaty can violate the Constitution...the UN has no authority over the United States...don't worry about it...



But an anti-gun president can call out the feds and military to disarm civilians if he agrees with the UN.






no he cant
Link Posted: 10/12/2004 7:17:09 PM EST
[Last Edit: 10/12/2004 7:20:08 PM EST by repub18]

Originally Posted By motown_steve:

Originally Posted By WI_Rifleman:
There is a law against the army enforcing domestic laws, so theoretically the army could not do it. My guess if it did happen, and that is a big if, it would be local police units. There are more police in our nation than soldiers.



Posse Comototis (sp??) prevents Federal troops from being used for law enforcement. I don't believe it applies to the national guard.



and I dont think the National Guard has enough manpower to do the job
Link Posted: 10/12/2004 7:17:27 PM EST

Originally Posted By IamtheNRA:

No treaty can violate the Constitution...the UN has no authority over the United States...don't worry about it...




Our Supreme Court would simply rule that allowing you a single shot gun still abides by the spirit and intent of the 2nd Amendment, hence the UN rules would be allowable.
Link Posted: 10/12/2004 7:19:05 PM EST

Originally Posted By fight4yourrights:

Originally Posted By IamtheNRA:

No treaty can violate the Constitution...the UN has no authority over the United States...don't worry about it...




Our Supreme Court would simply rule that allowing you a single shot gun still abides by the spirit and intent of the 2nd Amendment, hence the UN rules would be allowable.




Yep
Link Posted: 10/12/2004 7:25:47 PM EST
Just make sure they where there blue helmets.

Link Posted: 10/12/2004 7:28:33 PM EST
I refer to "motown_steve" and his understanding that the U.S. military cannot even disarm a few thousand insurgents in Iraq, let alone trying to disarm the American people.

Iraq now has an interim government and U.S. forces on the ground for the most part, are playing to the tune of this government. I believe that the strategy here is to empower the Iraqi people to move towards self reliance economically ASAP. In order to do so, they would need a credible military and police force.

The U.S. military is trying to take a back-seat role in dealing with domestic politics, especially between the Shiites and Sunni muslims, which incidentally hate each other. These two factions (which have supporters scattered across the globe) have been at each other's throats for eons and I suspect that they will be resume killing each other once the U.S. (their common enemy) withdraws.

Left on their own, I am certain that they will eventually destroy themselves - it is in the nature and their religion. Did you know that Islam allows these physopaths to have 5 wives?! And as if this wasn't enough, their Jihad ideology tells them that martyrdom will guarantee each man seventy-two virgins at the gates of heaven who will provide them with sex so good, that the men will faint!

Yes, this line is actually used to entice would-be suicide bombers to carry out their mission. A common farewell phase used by commanders of suicide bombers is “Hurry up…the virgins are waiting for you…”

So to "motown_steve" I say that the U.S. military is well capable of disarming this band of insurgents, but are not doing so because of politics.

Link Posted: 10/12/2004 7:35:23 PM EST
They can have my guns...but they should know that they're getting the bullets first! There is no way in hell our military would obey that order. There would be major mutany and gov't property siezed for the american people. Politicians are crazy, but they're not that crazy! They would never come after ALL law abiding citizens at once. They would break the group down...in order to make it more readily accepted. Ban certain calibers, etc. Then certain aspects of the populous...etc. That's why we can't falter on any of the shit they try to pass. Stand Tough All!
Link Posted: 10/12/2004 7:36:51 PM EST

Originally Posted By motown_steve:

Originally Posted By WI_Rifleman:
There is a law against the army enforcing domestic laws, so theoretically the army could not do it. My guess if it did happen, and that is a big if, it would be local police units. There are more police in our nation than soldiers.



Posse Comototis (sp??) prevents Federal troops from being used for law enforcement. I don't believe it applies to the national guard.



Tell that to the people that died at Waco. They used armor from Wes Clark, they used helo's from Wes Clark. Want me to go on?

Now do you all realize why I get so irrate when cops don't support us? When politicians get elected that will do anything they please? It's going to hit the fan! Some time, some way...tick, tock, tick, tock. You better have the weapons you want and train as if your life will depend on it. Cause at some point, it will. If Kerry gets elected, there'll be another Waco, right around the corner. And where will the Militia be then? Absent as usual.

Link Posted: 10/12/2004 7:39:22 PM EST
I'd buy a 50BMG single shot.
Finnbear


Originally Posted By fight4yourrights:
FORGET ABOUT CONFISCATION!


What are you going to do if the Senate agrees to this and the only gun for sale is a single shot?

Link Posted: 10/12/2004 7:40:52 PM EST
I just downloaded one of the bulletfest videos and I was watching that part with the mingun (that some cool shit BTW, you cant even differentiate the shots, its just a loud buzz), and I was thinking how cool it would be to see that thing tear some french faggot in a blue helmet to peices.

of course I know it wouldnt happen like that, it would be a ban on sale, and buy backs and shit, no one is stupid enought to try outright confiscation here.

this is why we need to keep Bush in office, and keep a majority of non-socialists in the house and senate, and why we eventually need to get the US out of the UN, and the UN out of teh US.
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