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Posted: 1/26/2009 9:19:01 AM EDT
Here's a good way to train.

THIS REALLY WORKS

Take a sheet of white paper.  Run it out as far as you can where you can still clearly see bullet holes on the paper.  Unless you have really sharp eyes, it's going to be way less than 25 yards, probably more like 15.

that distance is your "visible bullet hole range"

using a circle template, draw on the paper a circle in pencil that looks the same size at "visible bullet hole range" as a 6" target black looks at 25 yards.

color the circle in light enough that you can see it but also still see the bullet holes.

The idea is to recreate the visual picture of shooting a 25 yard 6" pistol target but with the target close in enough that you can immediately see the bullet holes as you shoot.


If that's too much work, just draw a little 1/2" mark to shoot at


now take the pistol in a true weaver stance.  no cornball pancake hold or any of that bullshit.  wrap your weak hand around your strong hand.


like so:



use a 6 oclock hold on the target

focus your eye on the front sight.  

do not try to hold the front sight right on target. let it wander.  concentrate on sight alighnemnt and trigger control, not the target.  you can let the front sight wobble all over the place and still shoot well.

as the bullet holes appear on your target, the instant feedback will immediately improve your aim

this drill works great.  the human brain works best on instant feedback.  it's called "conditioning".

the best shooting I ever did was a 7/8" 5 shot 25 yard with a 22 revolver.  I immediately backed it up with a 1.25" group.   Not ready for the olympics, but I can pass the paper plate test with any handgun.
Link Posted: 1/26/2009 9:29:46 AM EDT
[#1]
Whatever. Bush Lied.

Turn that fucker sideways, grab your shit with your free hand and pull that trigger as fast as you can yelling,"Aww shit bitches!"
Link Posted: 1/26/2009 9:34:46 AM EDT
[#2]
Quoted:
Whatever. Bush Lied.

Turn that fucker sideways, grab your shit with your free hand and pull that trigger as fast as you can yelling,"Aww shit bitches!"


good call

if you turn your gun in for a $25 voucher, then the whole problem becomes irrelevant

Link Posted: 1/26/2009 9:41:00 AM EDT
[#3]
Remember to use the other hand to vigorously shake your package.
Link Posted: 1/26/2009 9:45:31 AM EDT
[#4]
A bunch of people with signs that say, "Crack is whack" parading around a shitty neighborhood will end all crime there.
Link Posted: 1/26/2009 9:50:27 AM EDT
[#5]
I don't like how he has his thumbs.
Link Posted: 1/26/2009 9:51:19 AM EDT
[#6]
Quoted:



now take the pistol in a true weaver stance.  no cornball pancake hold or any of that bullshit.  wrap your weak hand around your strong hand.






If you learn to call your shots you won't need to look at the paper.
Link Posted: 1/26/2009 9:51:21 AM EDT
[#7]



Quoted:

now take the pistol in a true weaver stance. no cornball pancake hold or any of that bullshit. wrap your weak hand around your strong hand.



Gotta disagree with you on the stance/grip. People can try what they want but why do 99% of the best "combat style" shooters use the method Todd Jarrett teaches in the video below. COL Cooper was all about evolution through competition for a reason.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ysa50-plo48
Link Posted: 1/26/2009 9:51:46 AM EDT
[#8]
In before someone says "thumbs forward!"
Link Posted: 1/26/2009 9:53:33 AM EDT
[#9]
Quoted:
I don't like how he has his thumbs.


Me neither. I think it creates torque on your hand muscles.
Link Posted: 1/26/2009 9:53:56 AM EDT
[#10]
I didn't think they taught weaver stance/grip since the mid 90's.
Link Posted: 1/26/2009 9:54:26 AM EDT
[#11]
Link Posted: 1/26/2009 11:49:06 AM EDT
[#12]
Quoted:
Your front sight should be telling you where your rounds are landing. Focus on the front sight. The point where it lifts in recoil will tell you where your bullet went.

That's called "calling" your shots. Focus on the sight, shoot, focus on the target, then focus on the sight again is counterproductive.


this method is intended for beginners

let's face it, 75% of the shooters at a public range cannot pass the paper plate test with rifle or pistol

probably a lot of the people who post here could not pass it

if you cannot "paper plate" a light accurate rifle like an AR, you basically cannot shoot

when you use the method I outlined above, pretty soon you can chew little one hole groups in the target

that's good enough to get a casual shooter 4"-6" groups at 25 yrds (which makes him the best shot in the range on most days).







Link Posted: 1/26/2009 11:51:56 AM EDT
[#13]
Quoted:
I don't like how he has his thumbs.


Not comfortable for me.
Link Posted: 1/26/2009 11:55:20 AM EDT
[#14]
Sorry
Grip is all wrong

Google Brian Enos... and then go to web site and buy his book!
Link Posted: 1/26/2009 12:02:09 PM EDT
[#15]
I'll make it even easier Brian Enos.
Link Posted: 1/26/2009 12:06:13 PM EDT
[#16]
Quoted:
Quoted:



now take the pistol in a true weaver stance.  no cornball pancake hold or any of that bullshit.  wrap your weak hand around your strong hand.






If you learn to call your shots you won't need to look at the paper.


+1

Link Posted: 1/26/2009 12:08:18 PM EDT
[#17]
Quoted:
Quoted:



now take the pistol in a true weaver stance.  no cornball pancake hold or any of that bullshit.  wrap your weak hand around your strong hand.






If you learn to call your shots you won't need to look at the paper.



the people you see shooting milkbottle targets from 7 yards away generally do it because they cannot shoot at all

people shoot rifles exclusively from the bench because they cannot shoot.

you might be past this sort of exersize but I suspect that most people reading this thread would benefit from it,

especially the kind of guys who simply like to rapidly shoot a lot of ammo.  those kind of shooters dont have the disposition to become truly excellent marksmen




Link Posted: 1/26/2009 12:14:05 PM EDT
[#18]
Quoted:
Quoted:
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now take the pistol in a true weaver stance.  no cornball pancake hold or any of that bullshit.  wrap your weak hand around your strong hand.






If you learn to call your shots you won't need to look at the paper.



the people you see shooting milkbottle targets from 7 yards away generally do it because they cannot shoot at all

people shoot rifles exclusively from the bench because they cannot shoot.

you might be past this sort of exersize but I suspect that most people reading this thread would benefit from it,

especially the kind of guys who simply like to rapidly shoot a lot of ammo.  those kind of shooters dont have the disposition to become truly excellent marksmen






I'm curious as to where you got this information, who sold you on it and whether or not you instruct at any level.
Link Posted: 1/26/2009 12:19:12 PM EDT
[#19]
Luke, I know you mean well, but your instruction is amateur... but it's free advice

Professionals offer their advice for free too ya know

Shooting Coach on Youtube

Todd Jarrett in about 20 instructional videos on YouTube

Your advice is great for level 0 noobs who can't shoot at a static target standing still.  Great.  That is what you're expected to know after 5 minutes at the range.  The link above will help you sharpen your skills after years.  In person instruction with combat veterans who've served for years and shot hundreds of thousands of rounds are even better (Spartan Tactical, VTAC, Magpul, Blackwater, etc)

Link Posted: 1/26/2009 12:29:27 PM EDT
[#20]
Quoted:
Quoted:
Quoted:
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now take the pistol in a true weaver stance.  no cornball pancake hold or any of that bullshit.  wrap your weak hand around your strong hand.






If you learn to call your shots you won't need to look at the paper.



the people you see shooting milkbottle targets from 7 yards away generally do it because they cannot shoot at all

people shoot rifles exclusively from the bench because they cannot shoot.

you might be past this sort of exersize but I suspect that most people reading this thread would benefit from it,

especially the kind of guys who simply like to rapidly shoot a lot of ammo.  those kind of shooters dont have the disposition to become truly excellent marksmen






I'm curious as to where you got this information, who sold you on it and whether or not you instruct at any level.


I invented it as a casual rapid fire 22 plinking game, I used to try to hit my last bullet hole.

I've showed it to various people (beginners) over the years, found it to help them amazingly.











Link Posted: 1/26/2009 12:43:25 PM EDT
[#21]
Quoted:
Luke, I know you mean well, but your instruction is amateur... but it's free advice

Professionals offer their advice for free too ya know

Shooting Coach on Youtube

Todd Jarrett in about 20 instructional videos on YouTube

Your advice is great for level 0 noobs who can't shoot at a static target standing still.  Great.  That is what you're expected to know after 5 minutes at the range.  The link above will help you sharpen your skills after years.  In person instruction with combat veterans who've served for years and shot hundreds of thousands of rounds are even better (Spartan Tactical, VTAC, Magpul, Blackwater, etc)




Guys -

You are taking this way too seriously!!

I'm not presenting myself as an expert instructor!!

I made up this little game, I've observed that it helps rank beginners (AKA 75% of the guys at a public range) amazingly.

(This post was for beginners, that's why I stuck a picture of the weaver hold in there.)

Most people don't have the inclination or temperment to benefit from any serious instruction, especially the "rapid fire" guys.

PS -

Thanks for the links.  
Link Posted: 1/26/2009 12:57:42 PM EDT
[#22]
I used to be a fantastic pistol and rifle shooter, an excellent shot. Only fair to middling with a shotgun.

A number of years with a much lower round count per year of shooting, and my rifle accuracy has declined considerably. I'm still a great handgun shot for some reason or other. My shotgun shooting is just as poor as ever.
Link Posted: 1/26/2009 1:58:21 PM EDT
[#23]
Practice does not make perfect.

Perfect practice makes perfect.

Practice, Practice, Practice and then do it again.

Burn up some ammo.

Multiple steel targets are best, I think.  Audible feedback..........
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