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Posted: 10/18/2016 2:48:42 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 10/21/2016 11:17:05 PM EDT by midcap]
I'd imagine the only system that would differ from the Expedition would be the air ride. Are they notorious for being huge pieces of crap? Or do you just replace the bags and air compressor every so often and Rock Auto is you holy savior?

Just being curious, I am finding a few near me that are cheap AF.

I mean worst case scenarios is the air system fails then I have to Cali Lean 4 lyfe.

update in title.

I like the 07+ body style better and it's easier to find a clean model than a older one.
Link Posted: 10/18/2016 2:50:06 PM EDT
Don't. Just don't.

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Don't. Just don't.

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I figured that, it looks like the conversion kit to normal springs is $597 at the rock.

But that air ride must be freaking glorious.
Link Posted: 10/18/2016 2:53:12 PM EDT


Dat so low...
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damn....dat stance doe.


anyhow looks like Ebay to the rescue once again.

conversion kit

If that's all I have to contend with, I am going full rental speed ahead.
Link Posted: 10/18/2016 2:56:26 PM EDT
I just replaced the air-ride on my wife's Navigator with real shocks/springs. . .after replacing the bags and the compressor and still having trouble with it.

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I just replaced the air-ride on my wife's Navigator with real shocks/springs. . .after replacing the bags and the compressor and still having trouble with it.

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Well that's good to know, if the air ride goes out, just throw the spring kit on it.
Link Posted: 10/18/2016 4:43:03 PM EDT
any big changes from 2006 to 2008?

I have two I narrowed it down to.

Both are clean AF

2006 has 95k and asking $9500

2008 has 150k and asking $10,500

55k more miles and 1k more. I think the 2006 is the better deal. Unless there is a major change beyond cosmetic I don't know about/.
Link Posted: 10/18/2016 4:44:38 PM EDT
Are you a drug dealer.
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When does your rap album drop?
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I sell white man crack.



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My wife has an '08 that we got new in '09, it was unsold stock, and got a great deal.
Currently 135K, and doing pretty good.

It has had its share of problems over the years, but they didn't affect drivability. The seat heaters and A/C units failed a few times, $800 each to replace.
Electric window motors failed. Video system (dealer, not factory) failed. Few other nuisance issues.

Have done all the routine p/m, including all the hi mileage stuff, and she shows no signs of slowing down.



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thanks for the info.
Link Posted: 10/21/2016 4:34:27 PM EDT
So found an 07 but it has the 4wd system Similar to the GM's, some type of magnetic clutch in the transfer case.

Should I run?
Link Posted: 10/21/2016 4:43:35 PM EDT
Originally Posted By midcap:
I'd imagine the only system that would differ from the Expedition would be the air ride. Are they notorious for being huge pieces of crap? Or do you just replace the bags and air compressor every so often and Rock Auto is you holy savior?

Just being curious, I am finding a few near me that are cheap AF.

I mean worst case scenarios is the air system fails then I have to Cali Lean 4 lyfe.
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Same engine, transmission, and rear end as my 2004 F150. Worst financial decision I ever made buying that truck.

Let me put it this way,.... ask them if they had the $1000 spark lug change yet. If they give you a look, keep on walking. There have been three class action lawsuits related to just the F150, all of which were shared parts with the Expedition.
Link Posted: 10/21/2016 4:58:15 PM EDT
Originally Posted By midcap:
I'd imagine the only system that would differ from the Expedition would be the air ride. Are they notorious for being huge pieces of crap? Or do you just replace the bags and air compressor every so often and Rock Auto is you holy savior?

Just being curious, I am finding a few near me that are cheap AF.

I mean worst case scenarios is the air system fails then I have to Cali Lean 4 lyfe.
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About 5 years ago I bought a cheap 96 Explorer LTD. The air ride worked perfectly with no issues at all. Stupid stepson loaded it with 3000lbs of crap, maybe 4k
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Same engine, transmission, and rear end as my 2004 F150. Worst financial decision I ever made buying that truck.

Let me put it this way,.... ask them if they had the $1000 spark lug change yet. If they give you a look, keep on walking. There have been three class action lawsuits related to just the F150, all of which were shared parts with the Expedition.
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Originally Posted By midcap:
I'd imagine the only system that would differ from the Expedition would be the air ride. Are they notorious for being huge pieces of crap? Or do you just replace the bags and air compressor every so often and Rock Auto is you holy savior?

Just being curious, I am finding a few near me that are cheap AF.

I mean worst case scenarios is the air system fails then I have to Cali Lean 4 lyfe.


Same engine, transmission, and rear end as my 2004 F150. Worst financial decision I ever made buying that truck.

Let me put it this way,.... ask them if they had the $1000 spark lug change yet. If they give you a look, keep on walking. There have been three class action lawsuits related to just the F150, all of which were shared parts with the Expedition.


Im fully aware of the 5.4 nuances. I was Mostly curious about the center diff.
Link Posted: 10/21/2016 10:25:43 PM EDT
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About 5 years ago I bought a cheap 96 Explorer LTD. The air ride worked perfectly with no issues at all. Stupid stepson loaded it with 3000lbs of crap, maybe 4k
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Originally Posted By wwace:
Originally Posted By midcap:
I'd imagine the only system that would differ from the Expedition would be the air ride. Are they notorious for being huge pieces of crap? Or do you just replace the bags and air compressor every so often and Rock Auto is you holy savior?

Just being curious, I am finding a few near me that are cheap AF.

I mean worst case scenarios is the air system fails then I have to Cali Lean 4 lyfe.
About 5 years ago I bought a cheap 96 Explorer LTD. The air ride worked perfectly with no issues at all. Stupid stepson loaded it with 3000lbs of crap, maybe 4k


Damn, that sucks
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Buy Here Pay Here ghetto mobiles
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I know, but it checks off all the boxes for me.

I would get an expedition but, they are so damn close in price, plus the navi has air ride, which is what I want due to the capitalistic roads down here.
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Im fully aware of the 5.4 nuances. I was Mostly curious about the center diff.
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Originally Posted By TheOtherDave:
Originally Posted By midcap:
I'd imagine the only system that would differ from the Expedition would be the air ride. Are they notorious for being huge pieces of crap? Or do you just replace the bags and air compressor every so often and Rock Auto is you holy savior?

Just being curious, I am finding a few near me that are cheap AF.

I mean worst case scenarios is the air system fails then I have to Cali Lean 4 lyfe.


Same engine, transmission, and rear end as my 2004 F150. Worst financial decision I ever made buying that truck.

Let me put it this way,.... ask them if they had the $1000 spark lug change yet. If they give you a look, keep on walking. There have been three class action lawsuits related to just the F150, all of which were shared parts with the Expedition.


Im fully aware of the 5.4 nuances. I was Mostly curious about the center diff.


Ford had a problem with the carrier bearing pocket depth on these, the only way to make it right is to have a shop rebuild the diff and properly shim everything. I opted for non Ford parts.
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Ford had a problem with the carrier bearing pocket depth on these, the only way to make it right is to have a shop rebuild the diff and properly shim everything. I opted for non Ford parts.
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Originally Posted By midcap:
Originally Posted By TheOtherDave:
Originally Posted By midcap:
I'd imagine the only system that would differ from the Expedition would be the air ride. Are they notorious for being huge pieces of crap? Or do you just replace the bags and air compressor every so often and Rock Auto is you holy savior?

Just being curious, I am finding a few near me that are cheap AF.

I mean worst case scenarios is the air system fails then I have to Cali Lean 4 lyfe.


Same engine, transmission, and rear end as my 2004 F150. Worst financial decision I ever made buying that truck.

Let me put it this way,.... ask them if they had the $1000 spark lug change yet. If they give you a look, keep on walking. There have been three class action lawsuits related to just the F150, all of which were shared parts with the Expedition.


Im fully aware of the 5.4 nuances. I was Mostly curious about the center diff.


Ford had a problem with the carrier bearing pocket depth on these, the only way to make it right is to have a shop rebuild the diff and properly shim everything. I opted for non Ford parts.


Is it somthing that creeps up all of a sudden or if it makes it to enough miles you are good?
Link Posted: 10/21/2016 11:45:21 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 10/21/2016 11:47:09 PM EDT by rfm05]
Tahoe/Yukon/Suburban/escalade is better in every way imaginable. There's a reason why the resale value is so much higher.
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Tahoe/Yukon/Suburban/escalade is better in every way imaginable. There's a reason why the resale value is so much higher.
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Well. the ride isn't as good, the seats aren't as comfy, their transmissions (sans the escalades) are shit, the 5.3 has lifter issues, their interiors don't hold up as well.

Better fuel economy on the GMs?
I would have to agree with out if I were buying an Escalade.
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Well. the ride isn't as good, the seats aren't as comfy, their transmissions (sans the escalades) are shit, the 5.3 has lifter issues, their interiors don't hold up as well.

Better fuel economy on the GMs?
I would have to agree with out if I were buying an Escalade.
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Originally Posted By rfm05:
Tahoe/Yukon/Suburban/escalade is better in every way imaginable. There's a reason why the resale value is so much higher.


Well. the ride isn't as good, the seats aren't as comfy, their transmissions (sans the escalades) are shit, the 5.3 has lifter issues, their interiors don't hold up as well.

Better fuel economy on the GMs?
I would have to agree with out if I were buying an Escalade.
Isn't the Escalade the most direct competitor for the Navigator?
It's true that the 4l60e transmission is garbage, but they're not expensive to repair/replace compared to other transmissions. The 09+ models have the 6 speed, which is MUCH better.
Overall, I'd much rather deal with the minor issues of the 5.3 vs the Ford 5.4.
Then again, there's also Toyota. How does a loaded Sequoia of a similar year compare?
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Originally Posted By rfm05:
Isn't the Escalade the most direct competitor for the Navigator?
It's true that the 4l60e transmission is garbage, but they're not expensive to repair/replace compared to other transmissions. The 09+ models have the 6 speed, which is MUCH better.
Overall, I'd much rather deal with the minor issues of the 5.3 vs the Ford 5.4.
Then again, there's also Toyota. How does a loaded Sequoia of a similar year compare?
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Originally Posted By midcap:
Originally Posted By rfm05:
Tahoe/Yukon/Suburban/escalade is better in every way imaginable. There's a reason why the resale value is so much higher.


Well. the ride isn't as good, the seats aren't as comfy, their transmissions (sans the escalades) are shit, the 5.3 has lifter issues, their interiors don't hold up as well.

Better fuel economy on the GMs?
I would have to agree with out if I were buying an Escalade.
Isn't the Escalade the most direct competitor for the Navigator?
It's true that the 4l60e transmission is garbage, but they're not expensive to repair/replace compared to other transmissions. The 09+ models have the 6 speed, which is MUCH better.
Overall, I'd much rather deal with the minor issues of the 5.3 vs the Ford 5.4.
Then again, there's also Toyota. How does a loaded Sequoia of a similar year compare?


The Seqoia is at least 3k more for the same year and mileage.

I really just need the navi to last a few years.
What about a LS swap in a navigator? Lol
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