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Posted: 5/19/2005 10:08:33 AM EST
im going with maybe 25 years before western civilization falls apart to the point of lawlessness etc.
Link Posted: 5/19/2005 10:11:37 AM EST
10-60 years.

The wildcard is the deepening economic impact of aging Baby Boomers.
Link Posted: 5/19/2005 10:12:44 AM EST
well the final star wars chapter has been released............

so anyday now
Link Posted: 5/19/2005 10:13:27 AM EST
It's pretty close.
Link Posted: 5/19/2005 10:13:29 AM EST
[Last Edit: 5/19/2005 10:13:38 AM EST by ARDunstan]
2012.
The year the Mayan calendar stops.
Link Posted: 5/19/2005 10:13:43 AM EST
ASAP
Link Posted: 5/19/2005 10:14:06 AM EST
2 days after they ban bread.
Link Posted: 5/19/2005 10:14:17 AM EST
It's not going anywhere soon unless we have global nukes going off. You don't give man enough credit.
Link Posted: 5/19/2005 10:15:14 AM EST
oh i think humanity will go on. just not society as we know it.
Link Posted: 5/19/2005 10:15:51 AM EST
This country will go down the toilet when Spanish speakers outnumber English speakers...
Link Posted: 5/19/2005 10:16:31 AM EST

Originally Posted By squeezecockerp7m8:
This country will go down the toilet when Spanish speakers outnumber English speakers...




Que?




Link Posted: 5/19/2005 10:18:28 AM EST
Link Posted: 5/19/2005 10:19:57 AM EST
87 minutes!
Link Posted: 5/19/2005 10:21:24 AM EST

Originally Posted By ARDunstan:
2012.
The year the Mayan calendar stops.



Following that logic, I'm saying December 31st, 2005. The day the calender on my desk stops.
Link Posted: 5/19/2005 10:21:49 AM EST
i think the power of liberals in america is declining and gradually we will see a shifting to more traditional values. with america back on course the future will not be so bad...
Link Posted: 5/19/2005 10:24:57 AM EST

Originally Posted By markm:
87 minutes!



83 minutes now. I'm going to miss cable and running water the most.
Link Posted: 5/19/2005 10:26:43 AM EST
Lets see...

We kill 1 million babies each year and believe it is okay.

We support gay rights and let pediphiles out of prison.

Vincent Fox can insult blacks and mexicans and gets away with it.

Bush nominates blacks and mexicans for judges and gets called a racists.

The News media believe the word of our enemy over the word of our own Generals.

The Koran is considered a sacred book by the media while the Bible is the root of all eveil.

And finall, here during the war on terrorism the Catholic Church STILL is given a hard time over the autrasities of the Crusades when if we would have succeeded then there WOULD be none islamic terrorist threat today because we were fighting MUSLIMS

So I would say we are pretty close.

SGatr15
Link Posted: 5/19/2005 10:26:53 AM EST

Originally Posted By KangarooAR-15A3:
2 days after they ban bread.





I give it until Feb. 14 2017


Valentines Day, bummer
Link Posted: 5/19/2005 10:27:36 AM EST
Depends on if (what remains of) civilized society says "enough" before the next generation is entirely lost.

Link Posted: 5/19/2005 10:33:32 AM EST
TEOTWATKI occured for the Mayans a long time ago. Their calendar was wrong for them.

My guess is 2 - 50 years. Short end is WWWIII with Muslims that we will win but the economic toll and upsetting of the oil supply will change the world. On the long end oil problems and/or balkanization. Any economic shock could change the US rapidly.

On a side note: I have often associated weight gain with stress. People eat more when they are stressed. Therefore, your body fat is an indicator of how well you are doing with the stressors of your environment. Everyone around (except the counter examples that prove the point) is getting fat. Perhaps our innate desire to gain weight when stressed is telling us something. Do all those people have a gloomy outlook on the future of food supplies?
Link Posted: 5/19/2005 10:34:58 AM EST
[Last Edit: 5/19/2005 10:36:05 AM EST by sslocal]
My children and yours will be the ones to do the fighting. Educate them in the art of the rifle, they will need it.
Link Posted: 5/19/2005 10:40:24 AM EST
[Last Edit: 5/19/2005 10:40:52 AM EST by samsong]

Originally Posted By No_Serfing:
Perhaps our innate desire to gain weight when stressed is telling us something. Do all those people have a gloomy outlook on the future of food supplies?



Excellent point, although I really think we're all getting fat because we eat processed food, are rich enough to be able to do so, and no longer really work in a physical fashion for our incomes.

I give the U.S. five years before our extreme regional differences tears up the country as we know it into Socialist CanMerica (Kali, the Northeast, and all Canada), and the United States a' Texas (red states only, please).

All of the fruity left-leaners will want to depart to their idiotic soclialist meccas in urban areas, likening themselves incorrectly to Jews escaping Nazi Germany before Hitler hauled them away.
Link Posted: 5/19/2005 10:42:51 AM EST
welcome to Miami FL!
Link Posted: 5/19/2005 10:44:00 AM EST
Ænema Some say the end is near. Some say we'll see armageddon soon. I certainly hope we will. I sure could use a vacation from this bullshit three ring circus sideshow of Freaks here in this hopeless fucking hole we call LA The only way to fix it is to flush it all away. Any fucking time. Any fucking day. Learn to swim, I'll see you down in Arizona bay. Fret for your figure and Fret for your latte and Fret for your hairpiece and Fret for your lawsuit and Fret for your prozac and Fret for your pilot and Fret for your contract and Fret for your car. It's a bullshit three ring circus sideshow of freaks here in this hopeless fucking hole we call LA The only way to fix it is to flush it all away. Any fucking time. Any fucking day. Learn to swim, I'll see you down in Arizona bay. Some say a comet will fall from the sky. Followed by meteor showers and tidal waves. Followed by faultlines that cannot sit still. Followed by millions of dumbfounded dipshits. Some say the end is near. Some say we'll see armageddon soon. I certainly hope we will cuz I sure could use a vacation from this Silly shit, stupid shit... One great big festering neon distraction, I've a suggestion to keep you all occupied. Learn to swim. Mom's gonna fix it all soon. Mom's comin' round to put it back the way it ought to be. Learn to swim. Fuck L Ron Hubbard and Fuck all his clones. Fuck all those gun-toting Hip gangster wannabes. Learn to swim. Fuck retro anything. Fuck your tattoos. Fuck all you junkies and Fuck your short memory. Learn to swim. Fuck smiley glad-hands With hidden agendas. Fuck these dysfunctional, Insecure actresses. Learn to swim. Cuz I'm praying for rain and I'm praying for tidal waves I wanna see the ground give way. I wanna watch it all go down. Mom please flush it all away. I wanna watch it go right in and down. I wanna watch it go right in. Watch you flush it all away. Time to bring it down again. Don't just call me pessimist. Try and read between the lines. I can't imagine why you wouldn't Welcome any change, my friend. I wanna see it all come down. suck it down. flush it down.
Link Posted: 5/19/2005 10:45:33 AM EST

Originally Posted By BenDover:
10-60 years.

The wildcard is the deepening economic impact of aging Baby Boomers.



Explain
Link Posted: 5/19/2005 10:46:30 AM EST
CBS did cancel “Judging Amy” that has got to gives us a few additional years.

Who knows, but I would be surprised if much recognizable is left of Western Civilization in 100 years.
Link Posted: 5/19/2005 10:48:36 AM EST
I will say 10-35 years.
Link Posted: 5/19/2005 10:52:34 AM EST
I think there is some really bad shit coming...economic collapse, WWIII, 1 1/2 billion dead from that, disease, starvation... but civilization will persist and we will continue to advance though it may be a little sporadic. I would expect that in 100 years life will be good.
Link Posted: 5/19/2005 10:54:21 AM EST
Sad.

I Think that we have been doing pretty good,

we have been to the brink of destruction (WWI, WWII)

and prevailed, then we have little to worry about.

One terrorist attack on american soil and everyone is predicting the end-times?

remember the Y2k bug where the computers were going to kill everyone?

Bunch of hand wringing sissies.

Remember that the rome empire lived on after it collapsed for longer then america has been around.

Don't be a mexicant

be a MexiCAN.

Not directed at anyone on here in particular, but just because the store is out of your favorite beer does not mean society is failing.
Link Posted: 5/19/2005 10:56:12 AM EST

Originally Posted By 762minigun2:
well the final star wars chapter has been released............

so anyday now



+1 and the final book of the Dark Tower by Stephen King has been released. I am astonished we have lasted this long.

96Ag
Link Posted: 5/19/2005 11:05:42 AM EST
Correction: Society has 24 hours*



*unless Jack Bauer can save it
Link Posted: 5/19/2005 11:14:29 AM EST
It's already collapsed, and I'm starting a new one.
Link Posted: 5/19/2005 11:20:32 AM EST

Originally Posted By markm:
87 minutes!



I was going to say 10 minutes.
Link Posted: 5/19/2005 11:21:29 AM EST
It is gone in 10, 9, 8, 7, (put your head between your knees and kiss your ass good bye) 6, 5, 4, ....................
Link Posted: 5/19/2005 11:24:43 AM EST
Maybe 2012.

Thats when the mayan calendar stops and its also China's year of the Dragon

All the crap we buy thats made in China is funding their economy and thats building their War machine up

If not, I still think it will be before the end of the Century
Link Posted: 5/19/2005 11:24:59 AM EST

Originally Posted By BenDover:
10-60 years.

The wildcard is the deepening economic impact of aging Baby Boomers.



I think that's the least of our problems.
Link Posted: 5/19/2005 11:27:02 AM EST
[Last Edit: 5/19/2005 11:27:50 AM EST by jmarkma]
I don't know but I am stocking up on ammo as we speak.

ETA: once I get about half of what Taxman stocks I should be in good shape.
Link Posted: 5/19/2005 11:31:34 AM EST

Originally Posted By WindGapAR15:
im going with maybe 25 years before western civilization falls apart to the point of lawlessness etc.



Sounds a little too soon. I don't think it'll be in my lifetime and I have doubts it'd be in my son's, but it's hard to say. We live in a faster paced world/society than the Roman's did. It took the Roman Empire, what, a thousand years to final omplode? I'd say there's gotta be some sort of math you can do to get a somewhat accurate prediction... but it sure as hell ain't gonna be found on here. Everyone in this forum would probably cheer on a collapse because it'd mean the oppptunity to reinvent our society into somethign better than it is today... one with more guns of course.
Link Posted: 5/19/2005 11:35:08 AM EST
Society collapse in what meaning? Thinking Mad Max?

I think we are seeing changes as we have always seen. There were people paranoid and scared during WWII, Cold War, all through time.

I think short of widescale nuclear was, its gonna be a while, as the cesspool turns.

Link Posted: 5/19/2005 11:35:13 AM EST
Prepare for what you hope never happens. Tough times are coming (tin foil hat on).
Link Posted: 5/19/2005 11:35:16 AM EST

Originally Posted By Ghostchild:
Don't be a mexicant

be a MexiCAN.




Link Posted: 5/19/2005 11:38:18 AM EST

Originally Posted By sgtar15:
Lets see...

We kill 1 million babies each year and believe it is okay.

We support gay rights and let pediphiles out of prison.

Vincent Fox can insult blacks and mexicans and gets away with it.

Bush nominates blacks and mexicans for judges and gets called a racists.

The News media believe the word of our enemy over the word of our own Generals.

The Koran is considered a sacred book by the media while the Bible is the root of all eveil.

And finall, here during the war on terrorism the Catholic Church STILL is given a hard time over the autrasities of the Crusades when if we would have succeeded then there WOULD be none islamic terrorist threat today because we were fighting MUSLIMS

So I would say we are pretty close.

SGatr15

aint that the truth
Link Posted: 5/19/2005 11:40:03 AM EST

Originally Posted By zoe17:
Prepare for what you hope never happens. Tough times are coming (tin foil hat on).



Agree with the first,

disagree with the second.


Live for peace, but prepare for war.
Link Posted: 5/19/2005 11:44:56 AM EST
When the U.N. goes against organized religion.

After massive economic collapse, followed by a large wave of suicides from people faint from fear.

Very, very soon I feel.
Link Posted: 5/19/2005 11:48:07 AM EST
- 45 years or so.

Link Posted: 5/19/2005 11:49:41 AM EST
Tuesday.
Link Posted: 5/19/2005 11:55:06 AM EST
What time is it?
Link Posted: 5/19/2005 12:05:24 PM EST
The best thing we could do now to prevent the disaster some of you envision is to wrest some of the power our government has taken away from them. The socialist agenda and gov't intrusion right here in the United States are probably the greatest threat to individual rights, social justice and world peace that there is right now.
I am amazed that so few realize this but I guess it is like comparing a chess novice to a grand master. One sees only the move in front of him, maybe 2 or 3, the other sees the entire game with all of it's possibilities.
Link Posted: 5/19/2005 12:08:15 PM EST
If we're talking "Western" civilization, we're eroding it as we speak. Western civilization as we know it is rooted in the Judeo-Christian tradition born out of the remnants of the Roman Empire, The Roman Catholic Church. Like it or not, the very fabric of western culture is made of the remnants of what was in place 1500 years ago. With society today attacking that foundation - life (abortion and assisted suicide murder), family (divorce, homosexuality), and the very ideals that the influence of the Church helped instill in all of our modern govermental bases are being attacked and eroded on a daily basis. Once again I have to agree with Sgtar15 and cite the same examples as to why western civilization as we know it is going to disappear sometime within the next few generations unless something is done. That's not to say that the geographic west will cease to exist, but the values that (most) of us hold dear will have changed
Link Posted: 5/19/2005 12:11:49 PM EST
[Last Edit: 5/19/2005 12:17:38 PM EST by ArmdLbrl]
As long as we keep advancing as we have, this Republic could easily outlast Rome.

The Roman Republic lasted for 500 years, ours is only 218.

While some people here get their rocks off thinking about anarchy, there is no REAL sign that it is even close.

The only thing happening now is the last glorious moment of a old cultural order, taking advantage of a new order that had been so successful for so long that it had gotten detached from reality. Unrealistic socialist utopian dreams are facing a reality check, but theocracy and autocracy of the 19th century are not going to make a comeback.
Link Posted: 5/19/2005 12:14:48 PM EST

Originally Posted By ARDunstan:

Originally Posted By squeezecockerp7m8:
This country will go down the toilet when Spanish speakers outnumber English speakers...




Que?







Chinga te!
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