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Posted: 12/10/2003 1:40:57 PM EDT
In other words, how many of you can't seem to understand, empathize, or just plain get along with, members of the female gender?

And yet, at the same time, how many of you have a weakness for the female form?

If you are in that predicament, what do you do about it?

And,

Why do you think you have such a hard time relating to women, if you do have that problem.

Link Posted: 12/10/2003 1:45:29 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/10/2003 1:47:07 PM EDT by thompsondd]
You mean we are supposed to 'relate' with/to them. I thought being 'related' was tough enough. Weakness for the female form? Is there anything other than the female form? Not like we have a whole lot of options here. (What is Andrew Dice Clay or Sam Kinnison who said "thanks a lot" for the wide menu selection we were given??) Solution: Find one who you disagree with the LEAST, and then call her 'WIFE'. Worked for me.
Link Posted: 12/10/2003 1:52:20 PM EDT
I'd try to give you a sensible answer, but I'm too busy trying to make up with my wife. I said something logical this morning, she read WAY too much into it, and I'm in the doghouse again.
Link Posted: 12/10/2003 1:55:14 PM EDT
First you have to understand woman, [url=http://www.savethemales.ca/040602.html]click here.[/url]
Link Posted: 12/10/2003 1:57:13 PM EDT
Someone understands them (besides another woman)? Man, this is getting more complicated and harder to believe with every passing minute.
Link Posted: 12/10/2003 1:57:34 PM EDT
Link Posted: 12/10/2003 1:57:44 PM EDT
Don't bother trying to relate. They don't want you to relate. They just want you to try to relate. They want you dancing to their tune, simply because they want to be the one in charge. Conversely, they want you to take control, but they don't want to give up control. Simply put: whoever cares less about the relationship, or anything for that matter, is the one who has the most control. I've found this to be true, recently [;D]
Link Posted: 12/10/2003 1:58:22 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Boom_Stick: First you have to understand woman, [url=http://www.savethemales.ca/040602.html]click here.[/url]
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Not much there I don't agree with, including your sig line.
Link Posted: 12/10/2003 2:03:29 PM EDT
Surely, there are men out there who have healthy, fulfilling, enjoyable relationships with women! Such a man has my admiration, indeed.
Link Posted: 12/10/2003 2:03:47 PM EDT
Originally Posted By clean_cut: In other words, how many of you can't seem to understand, empathize, or just plain get along with, members of the female gender?
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Yes,
And yet, at the same time, how many of you have a weakness for the female form?
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Yes
If you are in that predicament, what do you do about it?
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Post on internet gun boards
And, Why do you think you have such a hard time relating to women, if you do have that problem.
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Because I'm content. I don't feel the need to "change", or ask someone else to "change".
Link Posted: 12/10/2003 2:11:03 PM EDT
Are you talking attraction, or simple interactions. Interaction is easy, just make idle chit-chat, and avoid those things that would make them think you're an odd ball. Do not hit on one unless you are receiving concious or subconcious signals that she wants to flirt. You'll be seen as a potential stalker otherwise. Attraction is more difficult as that gets into too many issues to discuss here. My problem is not meeting women, but meeting ones worth knowing, and even then keeping it going for more than a couple months. Unfortunately, once I lose interest, I tend to be an uncaring dick. Answer these questions, a yes to any can get you stuffed real quickly: 1) At some point, do all your conversations end up discussing guns and their surrounding politics? 2) Are you unapproachable in terms of attitude or body language? The 'don't tread on me look' is not recommended for success. 3) Do you have a short temper, or lack a sense of humor? As you get older, things will get easier, as life tends to act as a filter and equalizer. At a future class reunion, that beauty that you lusted after in 11th grade is now a skanky biker chick, and that geeky bookworm is now a successful MILF, but you can't even find her when you look as she's outside slashing your tires for being such a prick years ago.
Link Posted: 12/10/2003 2:26:30 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/10/2003 2:27:50 PM EDT by rain]
Twice divorced. Both times worked my *ss off trying to make a good life for "us". Both times some smooth talker at work convinced her that he was the answer to her dreams, but bailed on her once I cut them loose. The 2nd time I actually bought into the "do everything to make her life complete" mode and ended up working hard, spending most of my time doing things that she wanted, and pretty much fufilling her dreams. Sometimes you can never do enough. Now I still work hard, but it's not total work, and I've learned the power of the words "no" and "I'm not going to do that". But Double Feed nailed it. The one who cares the least, and has the least invested in a relationship is the one who gains the most out of it. It sounds callous, but I'll be a great partner to Lady Rain only as long as she is working as hard as I am at the relationship. If she starts tipping the way my ex's did, I'll be gone so fast that she will wonder if I was ever there. I'll never waste another moment "trying to make things work", my experience with the ladies is that if they ain't happy, it's never going to change, and you may as well bail out before you pay too high a price. Never Again! I love being with a woman, but one that is making you pay a price for the privilige is usually not worth keeping. Callous mode again: I'm old enough to be in the position that many women now know that the sh*t has to end, and there are plenty out there that would be happy to just be treated well, and to be appreciated for being a good parntner. Why waste time being with one who offers less?
Link Posted: 12/10/2003 2:26:50 PM EDT
here is the key to getting along with women, "Your right honey that lady at work is such a bitch I can't believe she did that" drink some beer and continue watching simpsons. it the correct response 95% of the time
Link Posted: 12/10/2003 2:27:51 PM EDT
I'd say 75% or more members on this board need to get laid in a bad way
Link Posted: 12/10/2003 2:37:33 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/10/2003 2:51:24 PM EDT by Mak762]
Originally Posted By Hokie: I'd say 75% or more members on this board need to get laid in a bad way
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yuck the only way in which getting laid is bad is A. if its a guy or you get a disease. or both! other than that its all good, sex is kinda like pizza even bad pizza is good.
Link Posted: 12/10/2003 2:45:19 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/10/2003 2:46:56 PM EDT by walttx]
Originally Posted By clean_cut: Surely, there are men out there who have healthy, fulfilling, enjoyable relationships with women!
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I have been married over 25 yrs. For one reason or another i cannot attain such a relationship with my wife. I think she would rather fight than get along.
Link Posted: 12/10/2003 3:18:20 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/10/2003 3:24:50 PM EDT by Waldo]
Originally Posted By clean_cut: In other words, how many of you can't seem to understand, empathize, or just plain get along with, members of the female gender? And yet, at the same time, how many of you have a weakness for the female form? If you are in that predicament, what do you do about it? And, Why do you think you have such a hard time relating to women, if you do have that problem.
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Women and men are just different. So, I don't worry or or even think about it too often. Lifes too short.
Link Posted: 12/10/2003 3:51:27 PM EDT
men and women are wired differently...and i think the main problem is not understanding how to communicate with each other... we each have to learn how the other one thinks -how they process information, how they solve problems.. here's what i came up with... men are more linear in their thinking - they focus on one job at a time and move from one task to the next...they watch one channel on the TV and channel surf from one to the other. women are more circular in their thinking...more multi-task type thinking...they can watch several channels at the same time and know what is going on each channel at the same time. women are more integrative thinkers, men more compartmental thinkers-each having there own pluses and minuses. has to do with the connections between the left and right sides of the brain - there is doucmentation of this in medical literature. i think we watch too many movies, believe way too much crap in magazines and on TV...i think we should just relax and just be ourselves... what i love most about the relationship i have is that we have always just been able to be ourselves, and we are supportive of each other's goals and dreams. we know we are not perfect, but we are perfect for each other. ok - enough of the sappy stuff... i agree - the women out there today defy explanation...i sure don't get it. too bad for them, i think there are alot of decent guys out there...
Link Posted: 12/10/2003 4:01:00 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Hokie: I'd say 75% or more members on this board need to get laid in a bad way
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Much much higher.
Link Posted: 12/10/2003 4:07:03 PM EDT
trouble relating, no, not really....trouble putting up w/ their shit...definately.
Link Posted: 12/10/2003 4:11:37 PM EDT
Women have a lot of leverage in a relationship. They have half the money and all the pussy.
Link Posted: 12/10/2003 4:22:15 PM EDT
Originally Posted By rain: Twice divorced. Both times worked my *ss off trying to make a good life for "us". Both times some smooth talker at work convinced her that he was the answer to her dreams, but bailed on her once I cut them loose. The 2nd time I actually bought into the "do everything to make her life complete" mode and ended up working hard, spending most of my time doing things that she wanted, and pretty much fufilling her dreams. Sometimes you can never do enough. Now I still work hard, but it's not total work, and I've learned the power of the words "no" and "I'm not going to do that". But Double Feed nailed it. The one who cares the least, and has the least invested in a relationship is the one who gains the most out of it. It sounds callous, but I'll be a great partner to Lady Rain only as long as she is working as hard as I am at the relationship. If she starts tipping the way my ex's did, I'll be gone so fast that she will wonder if I was ever there. I'll never waste another moment "trying to make things work", my experience with the ladies is that if they ain't happy, it's never going to change, and you may as well bail out before you pay too high a price. Never Again! I love being with a woman, but one that is making you pay a price for the privilige is usually not worth keeping. Callous mode again: I'm old enough to be in the position that many women now know that the sh*t has to end, and there are plenty out there that would be happy to just be treated well, and to be appreciated for being a good parntner. Why waste time being with one who offers less?
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Been there done that.(unfortunately) Your're not being callous.Your're taking a long time saying that you respect yourself.AND that you deserve MORE that just her being there.
Link Posted: 12/10/2003 4:30:18 PM EDT
How many of you have problems relating to women?
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Better to ask how many of you don't? Would make for a much, much shorter list, anyway.
Link Posted: 12/10/2003 4:57:48 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/10/2003 5:10:19 PM EDT by Troy]
Link Posted: 12/10/2003 5:13:49 PM EDT
Originally Posted By clean_cut: In other words, how many of you can't seem to understand, empathize, or just plain get along with, members of the female gender?
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I've been yelled at by a stripper for having the gall to look at her during her routine, I've been kicked in the balls by a woman I never met, I've been called boring by women who I hadn't even met, and I've been turned down hard by women I never even WANTED to ask out. Yeah, I understand 'em just fine... [BD]
And yet, at the same time, how many of you have a weakness for the female form? If you are in that predicament, what do you do about it?
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Yes, I have that weaknes....how do I deal with it? Simple....I ignore it. I've worked it to the point that seeing a woman I'm really attractive to, or meeting one who really interests me, registers about as much as a mosquito bite.
And, Why do you think you have such a hard time relating to women, if you do have that problem.
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Trouble relating? Lets see..... 1) small psychological trauma in high school left me with personality traits that got me called 'Vampire' in college. I don't go anywhere I'm not invited, I don't speak to people I don't know unless they speak to me first, I NEVER initiate contact or conversation (completely reactive) and I get VERY uncomfortable when in large crowds. Makes it rather difficult to meet women when the guy is expected to make the first move (a concept I believe is not only bullshit but sexist as well). 2) When I get pushed in situations from #1, I tend to show my discomfort. DriftPunch called it the 'don't tread on me' look....my look is more of a 'one more step and I'll see how much fun I can help you accessorize using your own intestines' look. Takes me less than two seconds to kill of entire tables of conversation. 3) I try very hard to follow the quote from The Shootist: 'I won't be wronged, I won't be insulted, and I won't be laid a hand on. I don't do these things to other people, and I require the same from them.' I will show them respect, only so long as they show me respect. Pure and simple. For example....at a restaurant a few weeks ago a woman I barely knew and hardly had any interaction with said 'God you're boring!'. I was informed later by friends that it was in a joking/teasing way. I don't give a shit if it was her way of throwing herself at me, it was uncalled for and showed a lack of decency and respect. I don't pull with that kind of thing at all. 3) I have ZERO tolerance for games or bullshit. You want to play these stupid break-up-to-make-up, guess-why-I'm-mad-at-you, I-say-nothing-is-wrong-because-you-should-know- already, or guess-what-I'm-thinking-games, and my only answer is 'good bye'. If the supposedly like me then they wouldn't be acting like a spoiled child towards me. I have neither the patience nor the tolerance for that shit, and if a woman tries it I will explain to them very directly and precisely that I don't. Problem is you could probably count the number of women who don't play games on one hand. And that's why I ignore it. Pure and simple. I am who I am, and it's taken me this long to become happy with who I am. Part of who I am is that I simply can not, do not, and will not understand women. I accept this, and rather dealing with the general trauma of trying and failing, I just wont 'play the game'. My only real desire in this world is to live my life in peace as I see fit. If there is a woman who can accept that, and I find her, wonderful. If not, it changes nothing.
Link Posted: 12/10/2003 5:36:31 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/10/2003 5:40:07 PM EDT by Cato556]
Here is my take on the situation: Men want poon-tang, but also like companionship with it. Women want companionship, but also like poon-tang with it. This creates problems in the initial stages relationships, as the priorities are reversed. However, once both are attained, a relationship will usually work (for a while). To answer the first question, yes I don’t understand women, and don’t think I ever will. The fact that I’ve even had the relationships I did is probably due more to luck than anything else. Having shared interests seems to help; I know there are women out there who are also into guns, but I have yet to find one.
Link Posted: 12/10/2003 7:16:43 PM EDT
I cant get along with hardly any women here. I got alot of issues though.
Link Posted: 12/10/2003 8:22:01 PM EDT
I am maried, I also have dated many many women for a long time. I will say this. Many women, not all but many, have to be right no matter what. It doesn't matter if they are correct or not but they are right. It doesn't matter if they know what they are talking about or not, they are right. She will also not tell you what the problem is. She will explode or not talk to you for days on end while the entire outside world knows that you forgot to but the toilet seat down one night. Therefore I have concluded that men and women can not get along, just because of the simple fact that women do not know how and are not willing to learn how to communicate to men. Also they are just sick and tired of us asking for sex.
Link Posted: 12/10/2003 8:47:39 PM EDT
Link Posted: 12/10/2003 9:08:22 PM EDT
An old friend once said "my wife was crazy; hell they all are, you just find the level you can live with" It helps me to remember this, and to remember why I bother. (I wanted a family) You will relate just fine as long as you do not try too hard to understand them, you do not expect too much, and you understand that you will pay a price for whatever goal you are trying to achieve. There is no "understanding" them, except to understand that they operate from emotion. Emotion is what drives what they think, say and do. Logic does not play a part. Read the "Women are from Venus, Men are from Mars" book. It explains it in a nice way. The only "getting along with" you can hope to do is when you both have the same goal in mind, for example: sexual gratification, raising a family, mutual support, whatever. The problems occur, when those goals turn out to be based on deception, or when the goals change. Good luck "empathizing" in any deep psychological way. If you succeed, you better get yourself checked for a wicked case of gayness. Seriously, I can't think of a single couple that can relate in the way you are referring to. sad but true.
Link Posted: 12/10/2003 9:29:59 PM EDT
I have a lot of porn.
Link Posted: 12/10/2003 9:32:26 PM EDT
Originally Posted By hard-case:
Originally Posted By clean_cut: In other words, how many of you can't seem to understand, empathize, or just plain get along with, members of the female gender?
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I've been yelled at by a stripper for having the gall to look at her during her routine, I've been kicked in the balls by a woman I never met, I've been called boring by women who I hadn't even met, and I've been turned down hard by women I never even WANTED to ask out. Yeah, I understand 'em just fine... [BD]
And yet, at the same time, how many of you have a weakness for the female form? If you are in that predicament, what do you do about it?
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Yes, I have that weaknes....how do I deal with it? Simple....I ignore it. I've worked it to the point that seeing a woman I'm really attractive to, or meeting one who really interests me, registers about as much as a mosquito bite.
And, Why do you think you have such a hard time relating to women, if you do have that problem.
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Trouble relating? Lets see..... 1) small psychological trauma in high school left me with personality traits that got me called 'Vampire' in college. I don't go anywhere I'm not invited, I don't speak to people I don't know unless they speak to me first, I NEVER initiate contact or conversation (completely reactive) and I get VERY uncomfortable when in large crowds. Makes it rather difficult to meet women when the guy is expected to make the first move (a concept I believe is not only bullshit but sexist as well). 2) When I get pushed in situations from #1, I tend to show my discomfort. DriftPunch called it the 'don't tread on me' look....my look is more of a 'one more step and I'll see how much fun I can help you accessorize using your own intestines' look. Takes me less than two seconds to kill of entire tables of conversation. 3) I try very hard to follow the quote from The Shootist: 'I won't be wronged, I won't be insulted, and I won't be laid a hand on. I don't do these things to other people, and I require the same from them.' I will show them respect, only so long as they show me respect. Pure and simple. For example....at a restaurant a few weeks ago a woman I barely knew and hardly had any interaction with said 'God you're boring!'. I was informed later by friends that it was in a joking/teasing way. I don't give a shit if it was her way of throwing herself at me, it was uncalled for and showed a lack of decency and respect. I don't pull with that kind of thing at all. 3) I have ZERO tolerance for games or bullshit. You want to play these stupid break-up-to-make-up, guess-why-I'm-mad-at-you, I-say-nothing-is-wrong-because-you-should-know- already, or guess-what-I'm-thinking-games, and my only answer is 'good bye'. If the supposedly like me then they wouldn't be acting like a spoiled child towards me. I have neither the patience nor the tolerance for that shit, and if a woman tries it I will explain to them very directly and precisely that I don't. Problem is you could probably count the number of women who don't play games on one hand. And that's why I ignore it. Pure and simple. I am who I am, and it's taken me this long to become happy with who I am. Part of who I am is that I simply can not, do not, and will not understand women. I accept this, and rather dealing with the general trauma of trying and failing, I just wont 'play the game'. My only real desire in this world is to live my life in peace as I see fit. If there is a woman who can accept that, and I find her, wonderful. If not, it changes nothing.
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And I thought I was the only one with this "attitude" problem. You described my "attitude" to a T. I couldn't said it better myself. No kids, no girlfriend, no problems. I know I got it made.
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