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Posted: 11/3/2004 7:21:00 AM EDT
Can we still get it in this winter? Or do we have to wait untill next?

Or have we been in Iraq long enough that we could conduct a attack in the heat of the summer months?
Link Posted: 11/3/2004 7:21:50 AM EDT
You mean how many hours.
Link Posted: 11/3/2004 7:26:00 AM EDT
Let's first finish up Iraq
Link Posted: 11/3/2004 7:28:22 AM EDT
Link Posted: 11/3/2004 7:32:02 AM EDT
Don't count on it soon. Iraq will have to stabilized first.
Then the rhetoric against Iran can start. They will get all blustery about a soon to be nuclear weapon.....then Bush and Co. will bend them over a barrel for a good hard fucking.
Wait till they bring up something about a Nuke weapon, then the fireworks will begin.
Link Posted: 11/3/2004 8:17:23 AM EDT
How about never? Never sounds good.

Iran can be turned by supporting the students in rebellion. The mullahs have little support other than the hardcore-zealot fringe. Unlike Iraq, the security apparatus is not so totalitarian as to be able to suppress a popular revolution.

Iranians spontaneously held marches supporting the U.S. after September 11th. If you don't remember, go look in the newspapers for the week or two after that; the WSJ reported on it in James Taranto's "Best of the Web Today" column, at the very least.

The least we can do is support them in their desire for freedom, too. A few kind words, a bit of financial support, and there would be no need either for an invasion or an occupation -- maybe a few election monitors after they finish, but little more.
Link Posted: 11/3/2004 8:18:38 AM EDT
Well like I have said we are in good position look at a map.

We have Afganistan and Iraq.

What is in the middle???????????????
Link Posted: 11/3/2004 8:23:31 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 11/3/2004 8:24:48 AM EDT by ArmdLbrl]

Originally Posted By Chaingun:
Let's first finish up Iraq



First of all I dont see HOW we can finish up Iraq without invading Iran (Syria too for that matter but Syria isn't trying to build nukes and can also be left to Israel and Sharon's tender mercy's)

The terrorists and their guns and money are coming FROM those countries. It is not a native grown uprising. But there will continue to be US and Iraqi casualties as long as terrorists can cross the borders. The only way to cut off the tap is to invade Iran also and drive out the Ayatollah's and the theocracy- which the Iranian public would probably be all too willing to help with.

Consider it the "lesson learned" from Cambodia.
Link Posted: 11/3/2004 8:27:38 AM EDT

Originally Posted By 71-Hour_Achmed:
How about never? Never sounds good.

Iran can be turned by supporting the students in rebellion. The mullahs have little support other than the hardcore-zealot fringe. Unlike Iraq, the security apparatus is not so totalitarian as to be able to suppress a popular revolution.

Iranians spontaneously held marches supporting the U.S. after September 11th. If you don't remember, go look in the newspapers for the week or two after that; the WSJ reported on it in James Taranto's "Best of the Web Today" column, at the very least.

The least we can do is support them in their desire for freedom, too. A few kind words, a bit of financial support, and there would be no need either for an invasion or an occupation -- maybe a few election monitors after they finish, but little more.



There will never be a meaningful uprising in Iran, they saw what happend to their co religionists when the Shiia rose against Saddam and were slaughtered. There will be no uprising without a large and irrevocable commitment of US ground troops inside the country. Then and only then will they feel that they will not be abandoned by us like the Iraqi Shiia were in 1991.
Link Posted: 11/3/2004 8:37:16 AM EDT
Iran will be pressured with ever-increasing strength to forego becoming a nuclear power. The mullahs will refuse and the building process will continue apace. Within about six months, direct action will be taken to remove the nuclear weapons capabilities from Iran's arsenal. Invasion may not be required if good intelligence, good target identification and accurate targeting are emplyed. We have the tools and the Imams know it. Their last hope was for a Kerry victory. Now that that possibility is gone like a fart in a tornado, their options are severely limited.

Again...I predict within six months, depending on the accuracy of the current target sets.
Link Posted: 11/3/2004 8:41:03 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Blackriflefever:
Well like I have said we are in good position look at a map.

We have Afganistan and Iraq.

What is in the middle???????????????



Yup, many people don't realize what a position we're in over there.
It was a brilliant stragety to take both countries, and put them in a vise.
Link Posted: 11/3/2004 8:42:16 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Gunslinger808:

Originally Posted By Blackriflefever:
Well like I have said we are in good position look at a map.

We have Afganistan and Iraq.

What is in the middle???????????????



Yup, many people don't realize what a position we're in over there.
It was a brilliant stragety to take both countries, and put them in a vise.



Some people don't realize that though. I mean he knew that going in. He didn't say it to be PC but I know he knew he would sandwich Iran then get them that way.
Link Posted: 11/3/2004 9:02:27 AM EDT
Link Posted: 11/3/2004 9:04:38 AM EDT
Iran has been outlawed. The bombing starts in 5 minutes! Where's Ronnie when you need him?
Link Posted: 11/3/2004 9:05:37 AM EDT
Next spring
Link Posted: 11/3/2004 9:11:59 AM EDT
Hopefully the gloves come off in Iraq.

And Iraq is a dress rehearsal for Iran.
Link Posted: 11/3/2004 9:13:12 AM EDT
How about NEVER?
Link Posted: 11/3/2004 9:23:10 AM EDT

Originally Posted By lokt:
How about NEVER?



Yeah, it's probably better they have nukes.
Link Posted: 11/3/2004 9:32:02 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 11/3/2004 11:02:58 AM EDT by WildBoar]
[edit] double post

I am sofa king we taught it
Link Posted: 11/3/2004 9:38:22 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 11/3/2004 9:38:55 AM EDT by WildBoar]

Originally Posted By 71-Hour_Achmed:
How about never? Never sounds good.

Iran can be turned by supporting the students in rebellion. The mullahs have little support other than the hardcore-zealot fringe. Unlike Iraq, the security apparatus is not so totalitarian as to be able to suppress a popular revolution.

Iranians spontaneously held marches supporting the U.S. after September 11th. If you don't remember, go look in the newspapers for the week or two after that; the WSJ reported on it in James Taranto's "Best of the Web Today" column, at the very least.

The least we can do is support them in their desire for freedom, too. A few kind words, a bit of financial support, and there would be no need either for an invasion or an occupation -- maybe a few election monitors after they finish, but little more.



Unlike Iraq that had a whacked balance of power between the Sunnis ands Shia. Iran is mostly united Shia. A good thing in our favor is the younger generation hate the Mullahs. The want a western style democracy more than Iraq by a far margin. Attacking them now would just reinforce the Mullahs position that weare the evil Muslim ahitng whatever they call us. The Mullahs will feel vindicated and many of the undecided Muslims will see any attack as an attack on Islam. They are weak minded people. Its painfully obvious. They are easy to incite.

I think we need to use that agaist them. Divide and conquer. Use SF to train and arm the students after getting them fired up about the Mullahs doing everything they can to antagonize th US into atacking just so they can claim to be right all along. Lets not give the Mulahs in Iran that option.

I would love to turn on the TV one day and see a revolution in Iran and other Muslim countries that had enough of the abusive theocratic regimes. If we make it too obvious that we helped then it would lose all credibility in their eyes and they would be more reluctant to try it. Who gives a rip about us taking credit for it. Remember "Silent Professiojnals" indoctrinate them, train them, let em fight and support them. All under cover. Supporting them is important to make another Iraqi Shia updrising never happen again. Its going to be on their minds.

I think it would work.

Muslims are an unpredictable and fickle people. Unless they are 1000% certain of something, they remain dangerous. The entire Muslim world does not trust anything the US does even helping them is looked upon with contempt.

IMHO whack out all the Middle east, change al the maps and globes in stores, replace the middle east with a bright green sticker that says "forbiden zone" with a biohazard symbol.
Link Posted: 11/3/2004 9:46:56 AM EDT
Didn't Iran just sign a gas and oil deal with China?
Link Posted: 11/3/2004 9:50:10 AM EDT
I say, wait till his 6th or 7th year so i can participate :)
Link Posted: 11/3/2004 10:34:29 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 11/3/2004 10:38:32 AM EDT by 71-Hour_Achmed]

Originally Posted By ArmdLbrl:
There will never be a meaningful uprising in Iran, they saw what happend to their co religionists when the Shiia rose against Saddam and were slaughtered. There will be no uprising without a large and irrevocable commitment of US ground troops inside the country. Then and only then will they feel that they will not be abandoned by us like the Iraqi Shiia were in 1991.


Oh, bullshit. There was a perfectly good revolution in 1979, in case you didn't notice, and hardly anybody got slaughtered.

The Iranians aren't Arabs, and the Iranian security forces are not Saddam's Republican Guard. Iran is almost entirely Shi'a; Saddam used his Sunni-minority tribesmen to slaughter the Shi'a-majority and Kurdish rebels. Saddam's security forces had no connection with the people they were murdering. Not only that, but the mullahs aren't even remotely bloodthirsty enough to do it; they aren't a single brutal dictator, they're a council, and they have to face each other.

The Shah and his security forces couldn't even do that, and he had the power and the will to use it.

There is even a strong parallel in today's Iraqi fighting -- the reason the Sunni are bombing and shooting our troops is that they have lost their source of power. They are now a hated minority for the decades they spent murdering the Shi'a with impunity. The Shi'a, in contrast, are mostly peaceful and glad that the U.S. got rid of Saddam.

You clearly don't have a clue about the internals of Iran. We can only hope that Bush's advisors have more sense.
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