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Posted: 8/26/2006 3:28:59 PM EDT
I'm talking about .375 H&H ballistics or greater.  Do you hunt with them?  Have you been fortunate enough to hunt Africa?

I have a Ruger No.1 H Tropical in .416 Rigby that wears a Leupold Vari-X III 1.5-5x.  My wife gave me the rifle for out 10th anniversary.  Purchased from the exchange at MCAS New River, NC for the princely sum of $515, I bought the scope later.

I've shot a ferral hog and two whitetails with it.  No follow up shots have been required.  I have not been able to hunt Africa.

How about you?
Link Posted: 8/26/2006 3:32:00 PM EDT
[#1]
Never owned one, but a guy let me shoot his .458 Winchester Magnum and one of those .500 Nitro( or something like that).............like trying to shoot a damn 105mm howitzer from the shoulder
Link Posted: 8/26/2006 3:36:23 PM EDT
[#2]
A .375, a .416, and a few doubles that I inherited.  Have never hunted in Africa.  I use the .375 for hogs (largely for peace of mind).  I had the opportunity to buy an unfired .458 Winchester that was a Colt/Steyr (IIRC) from a friend's father's estate.  I regret not buying it.  .458 Winchester is underrated if you handload.
Link Posted: 8/26/2006 3:37:13 PM EDT
[#3]
No, I don't have any African big game rifles, but I do own Marlin's big three, the .444, 45-70, and .450. I would probably be willing to try the .45-70 and the .450 on African Big Game. I know both hammer wild hogs like  the angry fist of a god.
Link Posted: 8/26/2006 3:38:04 PM EDT
[#4]
I owned a Winchester Super Express .375 Magnum bolt rifle.  It was a fine rifle.

I cast bullets for it and downloaded them.  They shot pretty well for cast bullets.

I spent about a year picking out the best bullet and working up a good load for it.  I found that I sometimes got hangfires with the reduced load, and fixed it by switching to Magnum primers.

I was finally satisfied with the load.

Then one day, as I was reading an old book of Elmer Keith's, I ran across his cast bullet load that he had developed about 30 years earlier.  It was the same bullet as mine, with the same exact charge of the same powder.  But he warned that if you didn't use Magnum primers, you would get hang fires.

Nothing new under the sun.

Link Posted: 8/26/2006 3:40:44 PM EDT
[#5]
50BMG
Link Posted: 8/26/2006 3:42:28 PM EDT
[#6]

Quoted:
50BMG

He said "African Dangerous Game rifle," not "Afghan Dangerous Game rifle."
Link Posted: 8/26/2006 3:44:12 PM EDT
[#7]
YEp, I have several ARs and other "Evil" "Asult weapons"...
Oh I thought you were talking about the 2 legged kind thats in abundance there
Link Posted: 8/26/2006 3:44:28 PM EDT
[#8]
Link Posted: 8/26/2006 3:45:27 PM EDT
[#9]
I am awaiting my barrel for the Encore in .50-110 Winchester.  It has a little better energy (loaded for modern guns) than the .375.

Obviously I haven't shot it yet.

Larry
Link Posted: 8/26/2006 3:45:38 PM EDT
[#10]

Quoted:

Quoted:
50BMG

He said "African Dangerous Game rifle," not "Afghan Dangerous Game rifle."


And 50 BMG is probably cheaper to shoot.
Link Posted: 8/26/2006 3:46:13 PM EDT
[#11]
I have several "African dangerous game bows", that I plan on putting to use in June 07.
Link Posted: 8/26/2006 3:46:50 PM EDT
[#12]
I've been wanting to build one of these for a while, it's based on a straightened .50 BMG case.
Link Posted: 8/26/2006 3:50:22 PM EDT
[#13]
I was thinking about taking the 50BMG on some long distance elephant hunting.  Still having a little problem shoulder firing it though.
Link Posted: 8/26/2006 3:50:41 PM EDT
[#14]
i have a ruger no1 in .458 win. and a john linebaugh built .500 linebaugh on a ruger bisley frame.
Link Posted: 8/26/2006 4:45:30 PM EDT
[#15]

Quoted:
I owned a Winchester Super Express .375 Magnum bolt rifle.  It was a fine rifle.

I cast bullets for it and downloaded them.  They shot pretty well for cast bullets.

I spent about a year picking out the best bullet and working up a good load for it.  I found that I sometimes got hangfires with the reduced load, and fixed it by switching to Magnum primers.

I was finally satisfied with the load.

Then one day, as I was reading an old book of Elmer Keith's, I ran across his cast bullet load that he had developed about 30 years earlier.  It was the same bullet as mine, with the same exact charge of the same powder.  But he warned that if you didn't use Magnum primers, you would get hang fires.

Nothing new under the sun.





Amazing how people are constantly rediscovering stuff, isn't it?
Link Posted: 8/26/2006 4:49:24 PM EDT
[#16]
Link Posted: 8/26/2006 4:53:04 PM EDT
[#17]

Quoted:

Quoted:

Quoted:
50BMG

He said "African Dangerous Game rifle," not "Afghan Dangerous Game rifle."


And 50 BMG is probably cheaper to shoot.


.470 nitro is about 279.00 for a box of 20.
Link Posted: 8/26/2006 4:54:47 PM EDT
[#18]
Does a 45-70 count?
Link Posted: 8/26/2006 4:55:51 PM EDT
[#19]

Quoted:
I was thinking about taking the 50BMG on some long distance elephant hunting.  Still having a little problem shoulder firing it though.

I'd guess the bigger problem would be the zoo officials chasing you away before you took your shot.
Link Posted: 8/26/2006 4:55:52 PM EDT
[#20]
I'm looking at a Model 70 in .458, I just can't decide if it's worth it for me to spend the money on a rifle I'll shoot once a year.
Link Posted: 8/26/2006 5:04:18 PM EDT
[#21]
How are the zoo boys going to find me if I take the shot from half a mile away?  I'm thinking 10th floor or so from a hotel room.  Some of those zoo herds could use a little thinning out!
Link Posted: 8/26/2006 5:08:29 PM EDT
[#22]
I have a Ruger 77 in .375, and a No. 1 in .458 Win. Mag that I'm going to rebarrel to .470 NE. I shot a doe a couple of winters ago with the Remington 270 grain softpoint loads. Not messy at all, a quick in and out, no blown off shoulder, just like John Taylor said it would. I let a friend borrow the rifle, all one shot drops, all clean in and outs(except for the headshot, oops!). I've been pondering either having a Dakota rifle built up for me, or a rifle from Ryan Breeding.

BTW, the .375 H&H is an absolutely fantastic cartridge. The 270 grain loads have almost the same trajectory as a 180 grain .30-06 load, only drops about 10 to 12 inches at 300 yards.
Link Posted: 8/26/2006 5:10:57 PM EDT
[#23]

Quoted:
Does a 45-70 count?


That depends, what are you shooting in it?
Garrett HammerHeads?
http://www.garrettcartridges.com/lupo2.asp
Link Posted: 8/26/2006 5:10:58 PM EDT
[#24]
I have two .375 RUMs. One has a 30mm Kahles 1.1x4, the other has a Leupold VX-III, 3.5x10.

I have taken 3 elk with them. I got them to go to Africa. I just haven't made it yet.


The first time I touched off a round from my first .375 RUM, I was a little hesitant. But the recoil isn't too bad.


Now that I have them, I want a .458 Lott.

I like recoil.
Link Posted: 8/26/2006 5:11:46 PM EDT
[#25]
I been debating on getting one of the CZ Safari rifles. If I did I would get it in .375HH or .416 Rigby.
Link Posted: 8/26/2006 5:12:16 PM EDT
[#26]

Quoted:

Quoted:

Quoted:

Quoted:
50BMG

He said "African Dangerous Game rifle," not "Afghan Dangerous Game rifle."


And 50 BMG is probably cheaper to shoot.


.470 nitro is about 279.00 for a box of 20.


Handloads are way cheaper. If you're talking about the Federal loads, I asked Federal's rep about those at SHOT. Basically, they have a bunch of guys sitting around on single stage presses, rolling their high end cartridges one at a time. But look at it this way, what's a 10 dollar cartridge compared to a 10000 dollar hunt?
Link Posted: 8/26/2006 5:12:39 PM EDT
[#27]

Quoted:

Now that I have them, I want a .458 Lott.

I like recoil.


Did you know you can get a Thompson Center Encore in .458 Lott?
It's the cheapest way to get serious power that I could find.
That ought to scratch your itch...

Larry
Link Posted: 8/26/2006 5:15:23 PM EDT
[#28]
45-70 with a .405 grain hard cast...WHAMMM
Link Posted: 8/26/2006 5:23:29 PM EDT
[#29]
I went to South Africa in April of 2005 and although I own a Mauser based .458 Win Mag, The 2 rifles I chose to take were my 30-338 and my 25-06. Largest animals taken were the Kudu which never took a step when hit with the 180 Ballistic tip at 320 yards and the Blue wildebeast which stayed down but got back up and took a second shot even with an exit hole the size of a golf ball. That animal was taken with a 180 grain Partition. I have no doubt had I used the .458 loaded with my Barnes X 350 grain load that it would have stayed down. I recommend everyone who hunts go at least once in their lifetime.


ETA: Impala taken with the 30-338
Link Posted: 8/26/2006 5:23:45 PM EDT
[#30]
I have a .458 SOCOM does that count?  It kills anything in Georgia quite nicely!!

Link Posted: 8/26/2006 5:42:43 PM EDT
[#31]
It counts, but don't get caught trying to take it to Africa. No semi-autos allowed.
Link Posted: 8/26/2006 5:51:05 PM EDT
[#32]

Quoted:

Quoted:

Now that I have them, I want a .458 Lott.

I like recoil.


Did you know you can get a Thompson Center Encore in .458 Lott?
It's the cheapest way to get serious power that I could find.
That ought to scratch your itch...

Larry



No. I wasn't aware of that. That would be a stout load in an Encore.

I don't know if I like recoil that much.  
Link Posted: 8/26/2006 6:30:38 PM EDT
[#33]
At one point I had possesion of a Ruger No.1 in 458 Win Mag. My budy and I spent an expensive ammo weekend shooting rock squirrels off of a 1/2mi. long rock face at a relataves ranch. We would just walk parallel to the cliff and howitzer the little bastards as they came out to play. The gun was sold later and i've always regreted it. The recoil was more of a strong push than a kick. Very manageable. I think we shot 100 rounds between us.Trashcan
Link Posted: 8/26/2006 6:36:19 PM EDT
[#34]
A .460 Wby Mag.. And in the process of saving for a trip... I will probly take my .35 Whelen though.. Or the .375 H&H that is next on my build list.
Link Posted: 8/26/2006 6:41:29 PM EDT
[#35]
Link Posted: 8/26/2006 6:53:00 PM EDT
[#36]
I own a .375 H&H Dakota 76:



I own a Ruger RSM .416 Rigby:





I own a .600 OverKill, .620" 900gr bullet at over 2300fps:








I took the black bear in the photo above in Maine, the Gemsbok and many other plains game animals in Namibia, with the .416 Rigby. When you shoot an animal with the .416 it is DRT.

My dream is to go back to Africa with the .416 and the .600 for dangerous game.
Link Posted: 8/26/2006 6:53:30 PM EDT
[#37]

Quoted:
I have a Ruger 77 in .375, and a No. 1 in .458 Win. Mag that I'm going to rebarrel to .470 NE. I shot a doe a couple of winters ago with the Remington 270 grain softpoint loads. Not messy at all, a quick in and out, no blown off shoulder, just like John Taylor said it would. I let a friend borrow the rifle, all one shot drops, all clean in and outs(except for the headshot, oops!). I've been pondering either having a Dakota rifle built up for me, or a rifle from Ryan Breeding.

BTW, the .375 H&H is an absolutely fantastic cartridge. The 270 grain loads have almost the same trajectory as a 180 grain .30-06 load, only drops about 10 to 12 inches at 300 yards.


There are a lot of .30-06-like loads for the .375s.  Very versatile cartridge.
Link Posted: 8/26/2006 6:54:01 PM EDT
[#38]

Quoted:
I have several "African dangerous game bows", that I plan on putting to use in June 07.


i heard about some guy that hunted big game with bows in africa. he supposedly had taken elephants. i thought that was a joke..

nope...
Link Posted: 8/26/2006 6:55:43 PM EDT
[#39]

Quoted:

Quoted:

Quoted:

Quoted:

Quoted:
50BMG

He said "African Dangerous Game rifle," not "Afghan Dangerous Game rifle."


And 50 BMG is probably cheaper to shoot.


.470 nitro is about 279.00 for a box of 20.


Handloads are way cheaper. If you're talking about the Federal loads, I asked Federal's rep about those at SHOT. Basically, they have a bunch of guys sitting around on single stage presses, rolling their high end cartridges one at a time. But look at it this way, what's a 10 dollar cartridge compared to a 10000 dollar hunt?


yes, those are the federal loads. I once came close to buying a Searcy in .500 nitro, What's 15 bucks a shot for a 12,000 rifle?

But yeah, i was definitely gonna handload.
Link Posted: 8/26/2006 8:36:58 PM EDT
[#40]
.375 H&H - one planet one rifle.

Yes I've been fortunate enough to hunt Africa twice, many years ago now.

My opinion remains that it is the best single cartridge for any hunting anywhere. Bullet selection has much to do with that statement.
Link Posted: 8/26/2006 8:51:20 PM EDT
[#41]
This guy was one of the great white hunters and incredible hunter of elephants.  His stories are incredible.

www.booktrail.com/Hunting_Africa/The%20Wanderings%20Of%20An%20Elephant%20Hunter.asp

"Any reasonably adequate cartridge will suffice for even the largest game if the shooter can put the bullet into an immediately vital spot. This is why, in the early years of the 20th Century, a 7x57 (.275 Rigby) rifle in the hands of W.D.M. Bell proved an efficient elephant slayer.
Link Posted: 8/26/2006 8:59:09 PM EDT
[#42]
I have a Model 70 in .375 H&H, a perfectly pleasant gun to shoot.  Closely replicates 30-06 with bullets 100gr heavier.

I also have an 1886 in 45-90 for buffalo hunting and indian attacks.

Link Posted: 8/26/2006 9:02:38 PM EDT
[#43]

Quoted:

Quoted:
I have several "African dangerous game bows", that I plan on putting to use in June 07.


i heard about some guy that hunted big game with bows in africa. he supposedly had taken elephants. i thought that was a joke..

nope...www.bowhunting.net/eMagazine/DarkContinent/Images/2004/04-Decolifant-down.jpg


Walking around with a bow in Africa sounds like Darwin in action. You become part of the food chain.
Link Posted: 8/26/2006 9:08:13 PM EDT
[#44]

Quoted:

Quoted:

Quoted:
I have several "African dangerous game bows", that I plan on putting to use in June 07.


i heard about some guy that hunted big game with bows in africa. he supposedly had taken elephants. i thought that was a joke..

nope...www.bowhunting.net/eMagazine/DarkContinent/Images/2004/04-Decolifant-down.jpg


Walking around with a bow in Africa sounds like Darwin in action. You become part of the food chain.


My thoughts exactly.  Although, they have guide standing next to them with a nitro express double rifle just in case.
Link Posted: 8/26/2006 9:08:51 PM EDT
[#45]
375 here in a Sauer 90 with a 1.5 to 5 dangerous game scope. Hunted Zambia in 97 and back this summer. Shit dies hard there.
Link Posted: 8/26/2006 9:39:48 PM EDT
[#46]

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Quoted:

Quoted:

Quoted:
I have several "African dangerous game bows", that I plan on putting to use in June 07.


i heard about some guy that hunted big game with bows in africa. he supposedly had taken elephants. i thought that was a joke..

nope...www.bowhunting.net/eMagazine/DarkContinent/Images/2004/04-Decolifant-down.jpg


Walking around with a bow in Africa sounds like Darwin in action. You become part of the food chain.


My thoughts exactly.  Although, they have guide standing next to them with a nitro express double rifle just in case.


Don't worry. iIll post pics when I get back.

I won't be killing any of the big 5, but I feel more than confident in my bow and it's killing ability.
Link Posted: 8/26/2006 9:42:12 PM EDT
[#47]

Quoted:
.375 H&H - one planet one rifle.

Yes I've been fortunate enough to hunt Africa twice, many years ago now.

My opinion remains that it is the best single cartridge for any hunting anywhere. Bullet selection has much to do with that statement.


+1
Couldnt agree more!
Link Posted: 8/26/2006 9:52:39 PM EDT
[#48]

Quoted:
I was thinking about taking the 50BMG on some long distance elephant hunting.  Still having a little problem shoulder firing it though.

Not at all. i have a friend who has an 18" barreled ARupper and it is a joy to shoot offhand.

I dont understand the appeal of the "dangerous" game rifle concept and the prices they demand after firing it. Perfect all around big game gun.
Link Posted: 8/26/2006 11:18:30 PM EDT
[#49]
yes
Whitworth  express rifle in 375HH
Interarms mark X in 458 win
both pretty much the same rifle

used to own a No.1 in 416 remington

Shot 1 deer with the 416

had a buddy shoot his deer with the 375

I have no clue why i have them except they are kinda neat
Link Posted: 8/27/2006 12:09:22 AM EDT
[#50]

Quoted:

Quoted:
50BMG

He said "African Dangerous Game rifle," not "Afghan Dangerous Game rifle."




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