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Posted: 8/11/2006 11:02:48 AM EDT
[#1]
I'm federal while on duty, and we're specifically forbidden to carry.
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Posted: 8/11/2006 12:42:28 PM EDT
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I carried on 12/31/99, and again on 12/31/00.
I have access at work if I need it, but don't regularly. |
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Posted: 8/11/2006 2:42:57 PM EDT
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Not in Vegas. It's against company policy, and I won't CC on duty because I never know when I'm going to run at a gov't location... I won't delay pt care to lock it up in the narc box before going in.
That's why I love my LEO's so much... they take care of me and I take care of them. |
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Posted: 8/11/2006 3:13:12 PM EDT
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We just had our policy changed a few years ago. It now says that members are not allowed to have firearms or ammunition on them unless you are a law enforcement officer or have a CCW. The problem with a CCW which I have is if you carry it and you run a call to say a school or federal building or any other place that specifically disallows concealed carry you are kinda screwed. You have to disarm yourself your else risk being caught. It nice to know I have the ability through my employer to do if I need to, but 99.9% i do not carry while at work. There have been a few people that are try to allow our tac medics to be able to carry on missions, but that is meeting stiff resistance (thats a whole other debate).
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Posted: 8/14/2006 5:40:25 AM EDT
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In the state of PA, the only person allowed to carry on an ambulance is a police officer who is acting in the capacity of a police officer.
In other words, only an on-duty officer may carry onboard the ambulance. Tasers, ASP's, etc are also not allowed. We have tried, though... |
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Posted: 8/14/2006 5:46:13 AM EDT
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What kind of cop would bust an EMT on duty and working a call, particularly one with a CHL?
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Posted: 8/14/2006 6:31:25 AM EDT
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Would you happen to have that SOP that I can get a copy of? Out CHKs start 1 Jan and I'd like to have some other agencies' SOPs to counter the "no CCW" policy that we're sure to hear. PS: Anyone else with pro-CCW SOPs would be appreciated as well. |
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Posted: 8/14/2006 6:37:19 AM EDT
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When I started as a volunteer (many moons ago), we had a local police officer who just waited for fire calls and would then ticket everyone who parked their vehicles in the front of the firehouse. We'd get back to find tickets on everyone's windshields. Of course, we would just call one of the other officers who would come over, rip 'em up and delete from the system, LOL. We could never understand his attitude...his son was a vollie for years and is now a detective for another department. Very cool kid, not like his dad at all. Aside from that, the nurses in the ED would freak if your shirt pulled up over a pistol. One of our guys was LEO and ran a call while he was returning from a court date. In the ED, his jacket swung back, exposing his holster and the nurse freaked out. They don't appreciate armed "ambulance drivers". My GF once asked me why I carry three separate knives to work. (One Gerber tool and two Gerber lightweight folders.) My answer? "Cause they won't let me carry guns." |
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Posted: 8/14/2006 1:22:53 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/14/2006 1:35:34 PM EDT
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in SC you can't have weapons in .gov buildings so that pretty much is the answer to that. However if we have to evacuate for a major hurricane I've pretty much made it clear to my crew that I am bringing some guns. They're all on board for that and will probably bring their own.
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Posted: 8/14/2006 5:53:05 PM EDT
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Quoted: My GF once asked me why I carry three separate knives to work. My answer? "Cause they won't let me carry guns." |
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Posted: 8/14/2006 8:51:01 PM EDT
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I pull double duty as a Firfighter/EMT and fully sworn LEO. Despite this, my FD will not make any exceptions for me to carry on our trucks.
Question: Does anyone know if HR 218 would take the bite out of my FD SOP if in the unlikely event I was caught carrying? |
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Posted: 8/15/2006 5:06:39 AM EDT
[#13]
Our policy is LEO only.
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Posted: 8/16/2006 6:45:16 PM EDT
[#14]
I openly carry.
But I'm an EP/EMT. |
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Posted: 8/16/2006 6:48:58 PM EDT
[#15]
The only EMT's that carried on our rescue squad were guys who were LEO's. A couple of city guys, and a state trooper.
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Posted: 8/16/2006 6:50:20 PM EDT
[#16]
The only EMT's that carried on our rescue squad were guys who were LEO's. A couple of city guys, and a state trooper.
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Posted: 8/16/2006 6:51:33 PM EDT
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The only EMT's that carried on our rescue squad were guys who were LEO's. A couple of city guys, and a state trooper.
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Posted: 8/16/2006 7:00:42 PM EDT
[#18]
Wow...a triple! |
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Posted: 8/16/2006 7:06:57 PM EDT
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Only LEOs can carry in the City of Virginia Beach. Even then, I think it is highly discouraged.
I even agree with this policy and I have a CWP. Never want a bad guy to think we are a threat or a target. We are the good guys just trying to take care of the broken pre-hospital. |
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Posted: 8/16/2006 7:15:04 PM EDT
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I think that looks good in theory but really does it work out that way in the real world? Most thugs don't see us as "there to help" they just see a uniform representing "the Man". Alot of times theyll do anything to stop care on a person they want dead. We've had mobs attempt to overturn "buses" trying to transport a guy that wasnt well liked. There is a literally stretch of road in Orange County that ALL emergency vehicles will turn off lights and sirens because theyll be garaunteed to be shot at if they don't. |
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Posted: 8/17/2006 5:13:17 AM EDT
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Every area is different, and adjustments must be made. In our area, there is no location we feel threatened. If a domestic occurs, or trauma caused by assualt- then there are plenty of guns around, but those are provided by the men in blue. I've also heard in some areas (NYC I believe), some ambulance crews wear bullet-resistant vests. Again, not needed for us. But- every department will change SOPs depending upon the threat in the current service area. Stay safe out there... |
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Posted: 8/17/2006 6:59:06 AM EDT
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NYC's EMS was expressly forbidden from carrying any sort of firearms, knives, mace, pepper spray, etc. That said during the late Eighty's and early Ninety's, when the battle lines were still being drawn (the bloody way) amongst the now flourishing crack trade gangs in Bed-Sty, E. New York, Brownsville and other such garden spots in Brooklyn North, it was easier to count the EMT's and Paramedics that were not carrying some type of weapon (including guns).
 The NYPD never questioned it, the EMS bosses didn't either, and it wasn't exactly hard to 'find' a weapon or two while removing the clothes off a gunshot victim. Ahhhhh, the good old days where you measured the quantity of work you did by the amount of blood that would drip down the backstep and bumper of your ambulance...I miss EMS work.... |
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Posted: 8/17/2006 7:07:22 AM EDT
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Did they, or do they still wear bullet resistant vests? Thanks. |
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Posted: 8/17/2006 9:01:13 AM EDT
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I was thinking the same question. If you are an EMT needed in a govt building/school/whatever, who would care if you were carrying. No Knock answered my question on this. It's easy to forget there is always somwone out there witout common sense making things difficult. No knock, I'm also in PA and never heard about this rule. It it a company rule or an state rule. As far as I'm concerned it's not a crimes code violation so you would not be getting in trouble with me. |
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Posted: 8/17/2006 2:22:26 PM EDT
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The vests came long after that. If my memory serves me right it was in 2000 or 2001 when vests were issued, and they were only issued after two seperate, high profile stabbings of EMTs. Even then it was a one shot deal and you were responsible for replacing it after its useful life was over........ |
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Posted: 8/20/2006 5:27:29 PM EDT
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No firearms allowed in our FD, and I think you can't by law here in CT anyway.
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Posted: 8/20/2006 6:14:19 PM EDT
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Our counties policy is no firearms on county property. Besides the first rule of EMS is BSI / Scene Safe. First sign of trouble, I'm outa' there. I'll request control to dispatch PD to the scene once I'm in the truck and down the street.
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Posted: 8/20/2006 7:06:18 PM EDT
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I wouldn't dream of packing my derringer. No, sir. I'll just dial 911.
I don't know why it occurred to me to pop another question in this thread, but I just noticed today. I was on my way back to the station this morning and I passed a bunch of cops on the way back. My shirt was open, sunglasses on, hair all down in my face, and every cop I passed today gave me a little wave on my way back to station. 99% of the time I get no wave, sometimes I get stared down by LEO's. I dunno, maybe it's a Los Angeles thing. The cops here are not your buddy though, they make that pretty clear. Maybe it was a full moon this morning. Do the cops give you a wave when you pass them by? Maybe they just had time today. I'm pretty sure the LAPD is overworked, I hear they have a hell of a coverage area. |
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Posted: 8/20/2006 7:13:38 PM EDT
[#29]
NC law prohibits any firearms on Ambulances, unless your a sworn LEO.
I used to work with a lady that kept a tiny one on her ankle, just in case. |
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Posted: 8/20/2006 8:17:48 PM EDT
[#30]
We usually get a wave if we're in the rig. We've got one or two
Of course, we've had a few on our side with a FThemCops mindset too. I preferred not to work with them, and luckily, the biggest one retired a few years ago. In our town, people have a hard enough time differentiating between the "round happy" Fire badges and the "sharp, pointy" Police ones, and we get into the mix every once in a while. As a result the "red side / blue side" shit doesn;t come up that much here, and most of us won't hesitate to back a brother up, even if he's carrying a gun. |
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Posted: 8/21/2006 11:57:50 AM EDT
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T7,
The EMS division of our department has a very good working relationship with PD, and the vast majority of the PD has the attitude that somewhere, sometime, they will need us very badly. We also work with the SRT (SWAT) on a fairly regular basis. The Fire division doesn't work as closely with them and the relationship there is a bit strained at times. As far as EMT's carrying, it is PA state law the forbids it. |
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