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Posted: 8/10/2005 2:33:22 AM EDT
Well, there's the question, what was your reaction at the time?

Dave
Link Posted: 8/10/2005 2:37:55 AM EDT
I work for a living, so nobody has to call me sir. All E-5s and below have to refer to me as Sergeant.
Link Posted: 8/10/2005 2:47:16 AM EDT

Originally Posted By 2A373:
I work for a living, so nobody has to call me sir. All E-5s and below have to refer to me as Sergeant.



+1
Link Posted: 8/10/2005 2:49:24 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/10/2005 2:50:50 AM EDT by vito113]
Link Posted: 8/10/2005 2:59:59 AM EDT
9 years. At first it still sounded a little odd, even though I knew I would be addressed that way.
Link Posted: 8/10/2005 3:06:23 AM EDT
Never, Nobody calls E-4's sir. Except 'boots', still stuck in Boot Camp Mode. Made me sick every time I heard it.
Link Posted: 8/10/2005 4:55:07 AM EDT
Twenty years and 14 days....

Noone called me Sir!

-P
E-8
Link Posted: 8/10/2005 5:26:28 AM EDT
Whenever I was on an active duty post, newbs would see the flight suit, salute and call me sir. Some would see the SSG rank when they got closer and apologize and others would never notice. It was easier to just salute back so they would drop theirs and go on. It hasn't happened since we switched to ABDUs since they look like regular BDUs.
Link Posted: 8/10/2005 5:28:36 AM EDT

Originally Posted By 2A373:
I work for a living, so nobody has to call me sir. All E-5s and below have to refer to me as Sergeant.




+1
Link Posted: 8/10/2005 5:29:34 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/10/2005 5:30:23 AM EDT by PBIR]
First time I walked by a different phase 1 recruit platoon at Parris Island. Scared the shit out of me, I thought their Drill Instructor was going to kill me but I guess it happens all the time.
Link Posted: 8/10/2005 5:38:57 AM EDT

Originally Posted By 2A373:
I work for a living, so nobody has to call me sir. All E-5s and below have to refer to me as Sergeant.



Yup...
Link Posted: 8/10/2005 5:46:52 AM EDT
I hate it when people under me call me by my rank or stand at parade rest. I hate that shit...
Link Posted: 8/10/2005 5:54:57 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Beagle:
Whenever I was on an active duty post, newbs would see the flight suit, salute and call me sir. Some would see the SSG rank when they got closer and apologize and others would never notice. It was easier to just salute back so they would drop theirs and go on. It hasn't happened since we switched to ABDUs since they look like regular BDUs.



+1

Happened all the time as a helicopter crew chief wearing a flight suit! I would often return the salute at a distance, they couldn’t see the SGT stripes on my BDU cap till they were up close.......then I’d get the strange, dumb ass look!

When we landed to refuel the POL guys would always call me sir, they never knew.

We had a cross walk that went in front of our taxi way from the infantry barracks to the rest of the post. All the noobs would salute us as we went about our work outside on the flight line. In aviation, hats are not worn outside on the line around the aircraft. These guys would see the flight suit and automatically salute.

I never let this get to my head, it was just funny!

On the other hand, I saluted an ROTC cadet once! Hew was in BDU’s and all I saw was the glint off of his BDU cap so I saluted. As he got closer I saw that it was ROTC rank..........duuuuhhhhh!
Link Posted: 8/10/2005 5:58:33 AM EDT
Go onto any Air Force base in Army class "A"s. You'd think the big gold stripes on the sleeve would be a clue.
Link Posted: 8/10/2005 6:05:12 AM EDT
1 yr. Sympathy for the poor smack who had to run around calling everyone sir.
Link Posted: 8/10/2005 6:07:15 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/10/2005 6:08:48 AM EDT by WildBoar]
I was never an officer but I was saluted a few times.


I as an E1 and went to Homestead AFB to get a casual pay while I was on leave after jump school. The airforce sp mp whatever they are called now saluted me and called me sir. I didnt return the salute but gave him a look of contempt. Not because he saluted me, but becuase he was a wing wiper cop.

Later as an E2 I was saluted by an E6 in Wilfleken Germany. I was walking to the bowling alley and it was getting dark. Some E6 salute me and a buddy and says "engineers" We return the salute "Airborne" and continue walking while holding in our laughter. The unit crest on our beret looks like a 1st Lt insignia from a distance so he figured we were two officers. Reaction time was instant.
Link Posted: 8/10/2005 7:40:37 AM EDT
About 6 months into my reserves enlistment....

and it happened once every 4-5 months thereafter.

The Navy Petty Officer Crows we wear are on the cammies are subdued, so once in a blue moon a Marine, (well the same one a few times) will snap off a salute before he realizes the crows are crows and not subdued officer rank.

And it got worse with the MARPAT because of the little black squares on my collar.
Link Posted: 8/10/2005 7:47:59 AM EDT
10 Months... BCT, Holdover for stress fractures, and OCS.

MPNelson

How long have I been a sir? About 4 months!
Link Posted: 8/10/2005 8:04:54 AM EDT
Some girl called me "sir" on campus when I was in ROTC. As in, "Excuse me Sir, where is Barnet Hall" ? I got a kick out of it I was only 19 or 20.
Link Posted: 8/10/2005 9:03:22 AM EDT

Originally Posted By dskeet:
I hate it when people under me call me by my rank or stand at parade rest. I hate that shit...


Why do you hate standard military decorum? What was your rank again?
Link Posted: 8/10/2005 9:13:18 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Beagle:
Whenever I was on an active duty post, newbs would see the flight suit, salute and call me sir. Some would see the SSG rank when they got closer and apologize and others would never notice. It was easier to just salute back so they would drop theirs and go on. It hasn't happened since we switched to ABDUs since they look like regular BDUs.



Haha... yup, I used to see this all the time. I would rather salute an NCO than delay a butterbar's salute, tho.

An E-nothing buddy of mine from my first duty station had a BDU cap that just happened to have a perfect black square centered in front (just the way the BDU pattern was stiched) that was dead on for the subdued LT insignia. Friggin hilarious to see E7's saluting an E1. He usually just returned the salute to avoid trouble. I think his XO caught wind of it and made him toss it.

NorCal
Link Posted: 8/10/2005 9:24:52 AM EDT

Originally Posted By tc556guy:

Originally Posted By dskeet:
I hate it when people under me call me by my rank or stand at parade rest. I hate that shit...


Why do you hate standard military decorum? What was your rank again?



I'm just a SPC.. soon to be CPL.

I hate it just because of how some people abuse it. It pisses me off to no end to see another SPC chewing someones ass and demanding they stand at parade rest and call them SPC. Those guys are the worst.. they think their automatic two year promotion means the deserve the same respect as NCOs... my ass it does.

Then there are NCOs that a complete shitbags. I have issues with standing at parade rest for them.

Thankfully all the NCOs I work with are laid back guys that don't care about this stuff... as long as we do what we are told everything is good.
Link Posted: 8/10/2005 10:37:15 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/10/2005 10:43:38 AM EDT by Manic_Moran]
Cavalrymen in the Irish military wear a glengarry. It's a headgear unique to troopers and officers, and there aren't too many cav types. As a result, it was not unheard of to be saluted by non-cav tpes who saw the hat and immdiately saluted. Correct response was not to salute back. If you did, and an NCO saw you, you were in for a bollocking. (One salutes the symbol of the President's Commission, the officer's cap badge, not a person, so you as a person cannot return the salute). If you didn't, you got to enjoy the other bloke getting bollocked.

About two weeks before I was commissioned, I was in USMCRDSD for a graduation ceremony. The recruits and new Marines would address me as 'Sir'. I don't believed they knew what rank I actually held (OCS insignia on right collar and had, crossed sabres/M-26 on left collar).

When I finally did have the bar pinned on (After 3 years enlisted Irish Army, almost two years enlisted US Army), the first time someone came up to me, said 'Hallo sir' and saluted, I looked over my shoulder to see what officer had snuck up behind me.

Getting called 'sir' didn't take much getting used to. The trick was remembering to lower my salute first.

That and the fact that I now have to salute everyone in the Army, except other LTs.

NTM
Link Posted: 8/10/2005 10:42:21 AM EDT
Link Posted: 8/10/2005 12:06:04 PM EDT
Wow... sounds like hardly anybody calls anyone else "Sir" in the military in everyday worklife..? Not quite what I expected given the steady diet of movies we get exposed to.
Link Posted: 8/10/2005 12:12:18 PM EDT
When I went with my father to work at the fighter squadron, his fellow pilot officers called eachother by thier callsigns. Regardless of rank. The Enlisted ALWAYS called my dad Sir.

He was the highest ranking officer in the USMC on base. Even his "boss", the active duty colonel, couldnt pull rank. There was always a pissing match btwn them.
Link Posted: 8/10/2005 12:12:27 PM EDT
i love being in a military where saluting does not exist, and where even generals are called by their names. only once did anyone ever call me sir, it was a kid who was in for three days at the time, and he got 50 pushups for it.
Link Posted: 8/10/2005 12:46:57 PM EDT

Originally Posted By TheOtherDave:
Wow... sounds like hardly anybody calls anyone else "Sir" in the military in everyday worklife..? Not quite what I expected given the steady diet of movies we get exposed to.



Only officers get called sir. There are waaaay more enlisted than officers, so I can go weeks at a time without having to salute or talk to an officer.

NCOs are supposed to be addressed by their rank. Alot of the lower ranking NCOs let this slide.
Link Posted: 8/10/2005 12:54:53 PM EDT
I thought in Navy or Marines (I could be wrong), anyone senior to you regardless of commission or not was addressed as 'sir' or by rank. I expect to be edumucated shortly.

I was usually called 'Sir' or 'LT'. One that threw me until he explained it (Because I just wasn't expecting it) was 'Lou.' Never heard that one before, he was an old-timer from 3rd ACR before joining my Guard unit.

NTM
Link Posted: 8/10/2005 12:59:48 PM EDT

Originally Posted By TheOtherDave:
Wow... sounds like hardly anybody calls anyone else "Sir" in the military in everyday worklife..? Not quite what I expected given the steady diet of movies we get exposed to.



What makes you think that? When I was in the Army we addressed commissioned officers as "Sir". Lieutenants usually let you get by with calling them “LT” if you knew them well enough. The Company CO was always addressed as “Cpt. XXXX”, WO’s as “Mr. XXXX” (I was aviation) and NCO’s as “Sgt. XXXX”.

The 1SG would usually let you get by with calling him “Top” which was short for “Top Sgt”, this was still showing the necessary sign of respect. I never once met a 1SG who didn’t like to be called “Top“.

As a Section Sgt, or later Platoon Sgt, I would call my guys by their first names but they still addressed me as “Sgt. XXXX”, even off duty.

After I ETS’d I remained in the area where my unit was located and worked as a DoD civilian. When I went to visit my guys they still addressed me as Sgt!

And on that same note, my very first 1SG in Germany that retired and worked for AAFES will always be “Top” to me. He used to run the clothing sales store and when we stopped by to shoot the bull we would get strange looks from the other soldiers when they heard us call him “Top”!!!!
Link Posted: 8/10/2005 1:02:51 PM EDT
In Colorado we had an E-5 with the last name Sargant -

It was my greatest joy to address him in my best Gomer Pyle voice, "Sergeant Sargant ...".
Link Posted: 8/10/2005 1:06:18 PM EDT

Originally Posted By AeroE:
In Colorado we had an E-5 with the last name Sargant -

It was my greatest joy to address him in my best Gomer Pyle voice, "Sergeant Sargant ...".



We had a E5 who worked in our motor pool, his last name was Major. So you really wrenched some necks when you saw him and yelled out “Hey Sgt. Major!” Hands came flying out of pockets, people started ducking out of sight, it was hilarious!!!!!
Link Posted: 8/10/2005 1:07:51 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Manic_Moran:
I thought in Navy or Marines (I could be wrong), anyone senior to you regardless of commission or not was addressed as 'sir' or by rank. I expect to be edumucated shortly.

I was usually called 'Sir' or 'LT'. One that threw me until he explained it (Because I just wasn't expecting it) was 'Lou.' Never heard that one before, he was an old-timer from 3rd ACR before joining my Guard unit.

NTM



I really don't know about the Navy. My only experience around Marine NCOs was an instructor at airborne school... he told us to call him Staff Sergeant. One of the Marine students had us call him Gunny. They may have done that because they were in Army country... beats me.
Link Posted: 8/10/2005 1:15:37 PM EDT
When I was in the USMC (1995-2001) many enlisted guys I knew called Sergeant Majors and Master Gunnery Sergeants "Sir" just out of respect. Same with First Sergeants and Master Sergeants. Some would tell you not to do that. If you knew a Master Gunnery Sergeant well enough, they might let you address them as "Master Guns" or "Top". All officers were addressed as "Sir" at all times.
Link Posted: 8/10/2005 1:17:52 PM EDT
Nobody called me Sir, they called me Sergeant except before that, when I was either Specialist or Private.
Link Posted: 8/10/2005 1:19:35 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Manic_Moran:
I thought in Navy or Marines (I could be wrong), anyone senior to you regardless of commission or not was addressed as 'sir' or by rank. I expect to be edumucated shortly.



Negative, only orifices get called sir. It was either Petty Officer, Chief, Senior Chief, or Master Chief.
Most of the CPOs I was around would set you straight very quickly on the fact they knew who there parents were and didn't need to be "sired".
Link Posted: 8/10/2005 1:24:41 PM EDT

Originally Posted By dskeet:
I hate it when people under me call me by my rank or stand at parade rest. I hate that shit...




So you don't like it when people show you a sign of respect for your rank that you've earned?
Link Posted: 8/10/2005 1:28:46 PM EDT

Originally Posted By dskeet:
I really don't know about the Navy. My only experience around Marine NCOs was an instructor at airborne school... he told us to call him Staff Sergeant. One of the Marine students had us call him Gunny. They may have done that because they were in Army country... beats me.



My last assignment was a joint assignment. A Marine E7 is a Gunnery Sergeant, commonly called gunny.

A Marine warrant officer is a Gunner, IIRC.

I normally called a Marine Staff Sergeant, Sergeant, but they were also commonly referred to as staff NCOs and some Marines would use the full Staff Sergeant to talk to them. I thought that took too long to say. I used to talk slower.

Another interesting factoid - the Navy has a CPO, Senior Chief Petty Officer, and Master Chief Petty Officer.

The Air Force has a Master Sergeant, Senior Master Sergeant, and Chief Master Sergeant. So, Navy goes reverse of Air Force for E7, E8, E9.
Link Posted: 8/10/2005 1:34:12 PM EDT

I really don't know about the Navy. My only experience around Marine NCOs was an instructor at airborne school... he told us to call him Staff Sergeant. One of the Marine students had us call him Gunny. They may have done that because they were in Army country... beats me.



In the Marine Corps E6 is Staff Sergeant. He wears three stripes up and... oops, nevermind. Gunnery SGT is E7. The Marine student was trying to get you quarterdecked. Most E7's do not like to be called "Gunny" either.
Link Posted: 8/10/2005 1:36:16 PM EDT
about 4 years enlisted, the rest as officer (OCS)
Link Posted: 8/10/2005 1:37:25 PM EDT
The fuck you say.
The US NAVY has been around a lot longer than the squat to pee...errr USAF has.



Originally Posted By kk7sm:
The Air Force has a Master Sergeant, Senior Master Sergeant, and Chief Master Sergeant. So, Navy goes reverse of Air Force for E7, E8, E9.

Link Posted: 8/10/2005 1:41:26 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/10/2005 1:42:28 PM EDT by Zaphod]
Strictly speaking? Five years.

Now, I WAS saluted by some LCDR while I was an E-2 at NAPS. He saw me with my banana suit top on (which said Naval Academy Preparatory School), and he saluted us.

He was in OIS (Officer Indoctrination School), where they take doctors, nurses, and the like and turn them into officers in little less than six weeks, and they come IN as officers.

I had a classmate get saluted by a Navy Captain!

We would simply salute back and have a good laugh afterwards.

Aparently, they thought anything related to USNA rated a salute.



ETA: Come to think about it, it was only two years. I forgot that plebes have to refer to EVERYONE as sir!
Link Posted: 8/10/2005 1:41:41 PM EDT

Originally Posted By KA3B:
The fuck you say.
The US NAVY has been around a lot longer than the squat to pee...errr USAF has.



Originally Posted By kk7sm:
The Air Force has a Master Sergeant, Senior Master Sergeant, and Chief Master Sergeant. So, Navy goes reverse of Air Force for E7, E8, E9.






Allllright. What is that about?
Link Posted: 8/10/2005 1:43:44 PM EDT
Link Posted: 8/10/2005 1:44:00 PM EDT

Originally Posted By NorCal_LEO:

Originally Posted By KA3B:
The fuck you say.
The US NAVY has been around a lot longer than the squat to pee...errr USAF has.



Originally Posted By kk7sm:
The Air Force has a Master Sergeant, Senior Master Sergeant, and Chief Master Sergeant. So, Navy goes reverse of Air Force for E7, E8, E9.






Allllright. What is that about?



Link Posted: 8/10/2005 1:44:55 PM EDT

Originally Posted By NorCal_LEO:

Originally Posted By KA3B:
The fuck you say.
The US NAVY has been around a lot longer than the squat to pee...errr USAF has.



Originally Posted By kk7sm:
The Air Force has a Master Sergeant, Senior Master Sergeant, and Chief Master Sergeant. So, Navy goes reverse of Air Force for E7, E8, E9.






Allllright. What is that about?



In the navy:

E-7: Chief Petty Officer
E-8: Senior Chief Petty Officer
E-9: Master Chief Petty Officer

Attention all hands! If you ever want to know who REALLY runs Uncle Sam's Yacht Club, it's the proud folks in the ranks listed above. I bloody well looked after mine as if they were made of gold, and they bloody well saved my ass more times than I can remember!

To the Chiefs!
Link Posted: 8/10/2005 1:48:53 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/10/2005 1:56:16 PM EDT by H46Driver]

Originally Posted By Zaphod:
Strictly speaking? Five years.

Now, I WAS saluted by some LCDR while I was an E-2 at NAPS. He saw me with my banana suit top on (which said Naval Academy Preparatory School), and he saluted us.

He was in OIS (Officer Indoctrination School), where they take doctors, nurses, and the like and turn them into officers in little less than six weeks, and they come IN as officers.

I had a classmate get saluted by a Navy Captain!

We would simply salute back and have a good laugh afterwards.

Aparently, they thought anything related to USNA rated a salute.

ETA: Come to think about it, it was only two years. I forgot that plebes have to refer to EVERYONE as sir!



More like 14 months wasn't it? From I Day until the return of the Bridage the following year.



Link Posted: 8/10/2005 1:49:50 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/10/2005 1:50:54 PM EDT by NorCal_LEO]
I get the gist of the post... and I get the point of the previous poster. I was just wondering if it was a tease or if the author was upset with the way the previous post was written.

I always assumed any 5th grader knew the Navy was a hundred+ years ahead of the AF.

Link Posted: 8/10/2005 1:50:45 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/10/2005 1:54:04 PM EDT by VTwin60]
first day at tech school.....still an AB (no stripes) and had a real messed up BDU pattern on both hat and shirt which from a distance look like I was an LT with the blacked out insignia's. Was walking to the BX and a group of Marines all saluted and called me sir.....
Link Posted: 8/10/2005 1:55:20 PM EDT
+1 on the working for a living.


And I was never called "Sir" but I was saluted once by our 1st Sgt. in BT/AIT. Me and a battle buddy were running to go up the stairs one morning to our Bay and our Top comes walking in, so we stopped and stood there at Parade Rest and waited for him to say "Carry On".......but he walks up and immediately salutes us and says "Good Morning". We were like, "uh....what the motherf*ck......."
So we saluted back and he walks off and we ran upstairs.

Link Posted: 8/10/2005 1:55:46 PM EDT

Originally Posted By KA3B:
The fuck you say.
The US NAVY has been around a lot longer than the squat to pee...errr USAF has.



No, way! Airplanes have been around a lot longer than boats!
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