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Posted: 4/16/2016 9:49:34 PM EDT
This election cycle has two authoritarians running, Trump and Sanders. It looks like Clinton will probably win against the leftist Sanders, but it remains to be seen whether the Republican's authoritarian will be beat. Trump still commands the support of a large minority of Republican primary voters. ...still, it's surprising that these authoritarians are making such headway. It got me to thinking
...how long before the republic is completely dead, and we elect a "strongman" authoritarian dictator? |
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someone will be along shortly to chide you, maybe defame you, laugh at you, and tell you it will never happen, that we are a long, long, way from that happening.
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Probably won't happen this election, but it's going to happen.
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Probably won't happen this election, but it's going to happen. http://i4.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article2265266.ece/ALTERNATES/s615/Augusto-Pinochet.jpg As dictators go, I think Augusto Pinochet is probably the least offensive that the US has supported. |
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I just want to know if a single senator or congressman will attempt to check the dictators power grab when it happens or, are we going entirely with the thunderous applause route?
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Europe will see it happen first. They will look for someone to save them from their self inflicted issues and they will find a Hitler. He will seem like Charles Martel initially.
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As dictators go, I think Augusto Pinochet is probably the least offensive that the US has supported. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Probably won't happen this election, but it's going to happen. http://i4.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article2265266.ece/ALTERNATES/s615/Augusto-Pinochet.jpg As dictators go, I think Augusto Pinochet is probably the least offensive that the US has supported. No. The Miracle of Chile would've happened without him, according to just about every article about the guy. The economic 180 that Chile experienced is always a small footnote, compared to the lengthy discussions about how horribly he treated the commies, lol. |
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What I was thinking. He's certainly had his way and receive liberal amounts of ass kissing from the "opposition". View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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8 years ago What I was thinking. He's certainly had his way and receive liberal amounts of ass kissing from the "opposition". The worlds #1 gun salesman is a pretty pathetic authoritarian. |
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Quoted: For a very long time, I've been fascinated by the fall of the Roman Republic and rise of the Roman Empire. I pondered if the average Roman citizen realized it was happening, or if only historians, with the perspective of time, could see it. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Now, or in four years. For a very long time, I've been fascinated by the fall of the Roman Republic and rise of the Roman Empire. I pondered if the average Roman citizen realized it was happening, or if only historians, with the perspective of time, could see it. |
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You mean like 0bama? Weaponized the US Gov't for use against his political opponents? IRS, DOJ, ATF, all used to deprive citizens of our Constitutional Rights? Republicans passing the buck, allowing the Zero to sign an "agreement" with Iran instead of a treaty requiring Senate ratification?
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No. The Miracle of Chile would've happened without him, according to just about every article about the guy. The economic 180 that Chile experienced is always a small footnote, compared to the lengthy discussions about how horribly he treated the commies, lol. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Probably won't happen this election, but it's going to happen. http://i4.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article2265266.ece/ALTERNATES/s615/Augusto-Pinochet.jpg As dictators go, I think Augusto Pinochet is probably the least offensive that the US has supported. No. The Miracle of Chile would've happened without him, according to just about every article about the guy. The economic 180 that Chile experienced is always a small footnote, compared to the lengthy discussions about how horribly he treated the commies, lol. Interesting. Whether or not Chile would have made such a dramatic turnaround is debatable, I suppose. But still, he was the head of state while they did it. |
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The average Roman probably didn't see much of a difference. The patrician families were the ones who took the biggest hit to their political power. Keep in mind that Rome was never a democracy. Senators were appointed by bureaucrats and only represented the interests of the wealthiest families in the city of Rome itself. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Now, or in four years. For a very long time, I've been fascinated by the fall of the Roman Republic and rise of the Roman Empire. I pondered if the average Roman citizen realized it was happening, or if only historians, with the perspective of time, could see it. I've also been interested in this topic for some time. Good points MA, and I suspect that it also became less evident the further you got from Rome. As for realizing that it was happening, I think that's less common like in Weimar Germany. For us? Hard to say. |
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The worlds #1 gun salesman is a pretty pathetic authoritarian. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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8 years ago What I was thinking. He's certainly had his way and receive liberal amounts of ass kissing from the "opposition". The worlds #1 gun salesman is a pretty pathetic authoritarian. The guy uses government bureaucracies to attack his political enemies. That's fairly authoritarian. |
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Quoted: The worlds #1 gun salesman is a pretty pathetic authoritarian. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: 8 years ago What I was thinking. He's certainly had his way and receive liberal amounts of ass kissing from the "opposition". The worlds #1 gun salesman is a pretty pathetic authoritarian. |
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Hillary Clinton is not authoritarian? In what alternate universe?
Clinton is American version of Evita Peron. She will rule with an iron fist if elected. |
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Quoted: As dictators go, I think Augusto Pinochet is probably the least offensive that the US has supported. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Probably won't happen this election, but it's going to happen. http://i4.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article2265266.ece/ALTERNATES/s615/Augusto-Pinochet.jpg As dictators go, I think Augusto Pinochet is probably the least offensive that the US has supported. Our economy would actually benefit from some of his "reforms". |
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Explain how Trump or Hilldog is an authoritarian? What have they said they would forcibly do. Even Ole Choom Choom never said he would go around congress. He HAS but it wasnt something he said he would do when he ran. Now Bernie, hasnt said either, but I dont think you can do what he is recommending with out ruling as an authoritarian. Maybe bernie has, I havent heard for sure.
eta, I do think Hilldog would continue crap like using agencies to her own ends, like the IRS. Choom Choom did it, so it is a fair tool to use now. |
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Nobody said 2001? Patriot Act, NDAAs with removal of posse commitatus and indefinite detention of Americans, warrantless wiretaps, etc? The Neocon Republicans moved the needle significantly to the authoritarian side. Someone else may finish the job, but Bush & Cheney started it.
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Interesting. Whether or not Chile would have made such a dramatic turnaround is debatable, I suppose. But still, he was the head of state while they did it. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Probably won't happen this election, but it's going to happen. http://i4.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article2265266.ece/ALTERNATES/s615/Augusto-Pinochet.jpg As dictators go, I think Augusto Pinochet is probably the least offensive that the US has supported. No. The Miracle of Chile would've happened without him, according to just about every article about the guy. The economic 180 that Chile experienced is always a small footnote, compared to the lengthy discussions about how horribly he treated the commies, lol. Interesting. Whether or not Chile would have made such a dramatic turnaround is debatable, I suppose. But still, he was the head of state while they did it. That was sarcasm on my part. The coup he led was completely responsible for turning that country around. I also don't have much problem with how he treated leftist leaders like the cancer they are. Of course they are headed back down the same path now that they are electing officials again. |
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That was sarcasm on my part. The coup he led was completely responsible for turning that country around. I also don't have much problem with how he treated leftist leaders like the cancer they are. Of course they are headed back down the same path now that they are electing officials again. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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As dictators go, I think Augusto Pinochet is probably the least offensive that the US has supported. No. The Miracle of Chile would've happened without him, according to just about every article about the guy. The economic 180 that Chile experienced is always a small footnote, compared to the lengthy discussions about how horribly he treated the commies, lol. Interesting. Whether or not Chile would have made such a dramatic turnaround is debatable, I suppose. But still, he was the head of state while they did it. That was sarcasm on my part. The coup he led was completely responsible for turning that country around. I also don't have much problem with how he treated leftist leaders like the cancer they are. Of course they are headed back down the same path now that they are electing officials again. Anarcho-monarchist use to seem absurd to me. But if a territory lucked up on the right king, it might actually be preferable to the kind of democratic republic we have. If a ,King were committed to upholding natural rights, and only cared about his own power and wealth, it might be cheaper on the rest of us to support one king, instead of having to pay off legalist and bureaucrats as we do. It's a controversial idea to say the least, but intriguing. |
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Anarcho-monarchist use to seem absurd to me. But if a territory lucked up on the right king, it might actually be preferable to the kind of democratic republic we have. If a ,King were committed to upholding natural rights, and only cared about his own power and wealth, it might be cheaper on the rest of us to support one king, instead of having to pay off legalist and bureaucrats as we do. It's a controversial idea to say the least, but intriguing. View Quote The problem with monarchy, though, is that eventually nepotism creeps in, especially with hereditary monarchies. (Remember, it took only three generations or so for Rome to go from Augustus the Great to Caligua the Mad.) |
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Not really. She's a leftist, but very much an establishment candidate with deep roots in corporate america. Of course, I'd prefer she not occupy the oval office, but she's no dictator. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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You don't consider Hillary an authoritarian? Not really. She's a leftist, but very much an establishment candidate with deep roots in corporate america. Of course, I'd prefer she not occupy the oval office, but she's no dictator. What? She's a fucking Stalinist from the fucking word go. Study more. |
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The problem with monarchy, though, is that eventually nepotism creeps in, especially with hereditary monarchies. (Remember, it took only three generations or so for Rome to go from Augustus the Great to Caligua the Mad.) View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Anarcho-monarchist use to seem absurd to me. But if a territory lucked up on the right king, it might actually be preferable to the kind of democratic republic we have. If a ,King were committed to upholding natural rights, and only cared about his own power and wealth, it might be cheaper on the rest of us to support one king, instead of having to pay off legalist and bureaucrats as we do. It's a controversial idea to say the least, but intriguing. The problem with monarchy, though, is that eventually nepotism creeps in, especially with hereditary monarchies. (Remember, it took only three generations or so for Rome to go from Augustus the Great to Caligua the Mad.) The Communist dynasty in imperial China seems to have solved this problem. They retain a dictatorial central authority, but with term limits and selection by a privy council. It assures smooth handover, without messy squabbles based on blood claims or divine rights. |
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Obama already proved rule of law is over. No non-constitutionalist candidate will every back away from that power again. Maybe if low information voters did not exist we would have a chance to save our nation - but that is not and never will be the case again.
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This election cycle has two authoritarians running, Trump and Sanders. It looks like Clinton will probably win against the leftist Sanders, but it remains to be seen whether the Republican's authoritarian will be beat. Trump still commands the support of a large minority of Republican primary voters. ...still, it's surprising that these authoritarians are making such headway. It got me to thinking ...how long before the republic is completely dead, and we elect a "strongman" authoritarian dictator? View Quote That will be everybodys best gal, Hillary. Trump has been marginalized by the GOP Establishment, and Lyin' Ted has no chance against Hillary the carpetbagger. It's over folks... it was a good run, but it's time to kiss America goodbye, hold hands and sing "Kumbaya" like good little serfs. |
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Trump is gonnna make Merica Great...
What does Authoritarian mean? |
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Probably won't happen this election, but it's going to happen. http://i4.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article2265266.ece/ALTERNATES/s615/Augusto-Pinochet.jpg Don't forget it was the CIA that put this guy into power. Allende was ELECTED by the people of Chile in spite of ITT and the CIA. Makes you wonder what would happen if Trump was elected president. |
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Not really. She's a leftist, but very much an establishment candidate with deep roots in corporate america. Of course, I'd prefer she not occupy the oval office, but she's no dictator. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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You don't consider Hillary an authoritarian? Not really. She's a leftist, but very much an establishment candidate with deep roots in corporate america. Of course, I'd prefer she not occupy the oval office, but she's no dictator. She only hired thugs to intimidate women that accused Bill of sexual harassment and even rape. I guess that would make her a dictator in training. |
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