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Posted: 6/9/2004 3:32:01 PM EST
We were really bored at work today and where talking about what rank we had in the service. Some of the guys who where in Vietnam went to school and came out E-5. The other 'Nam vets called them "Shake and Bakes". I made E-5 in 3 years at the time I was 20 years old and the youngest Sergent in the Army. That was 1989. Most guys only got to E-4 in a 3 or 4 year enlistment. I'm just kind of curious
Thanks
John
Link Posted: 6/9/2004 3:53:27 PM EST
got mine in 3 as well, from an e-1 in basic.

TXL
Link Posted: 6/9/2004 3:53:48 PM EST
I was a slow starter, still being a lowly E-2 for my first year and three months, when 6 months after boot to E-3 was possible. The Navy was not like the Army - we had to study books and take tests to gain rank, although the answers were readily available. Trouble was my first duty station was shore duty within driving distance of home, so I spent little time worrying about book learnin when I could drive home for the weekend and resume a normal life for a couple of days per week! After being transferred to the confines of an LST in Vietnam, where the time in rank rules were relaxed, I made E-5 after being in about 2 3/4 years.
Link Posted: 6/9/2004 5:04:47 PM EST
I entered active duty on August 6, 1983 as an E-1, and pinned E-5 on June 27, 1986, so that's about 2 years, 10 months, and 20 years old.


Chris
Link Posted: 6/10/2004 2:25:19 AM EST
I was a "push-button" E-4 in the Navy Nuclear Power program, flunked out of that along with 60% of my class. Flunking out was the best thing that ever happened to me LOL! I went to the fleet as a no nothing E-4 and learned alot in my tour on a carrier. I made E-5 my first time up with total service of 3 years and a couple months. E-6 took another 2.5 years. I left the Navy with 8 years, 11 months and 17 days (who counts ? ) on the books with my name on the E-7 promotion list. Hind-sight says I should have stayed but family came first and I was looking at another 5 years of sea duty.
Link Posted: 6/10/2004 7:44:29 AM EST
I put it on a few months before hitting the four year mark. I can't remember how long it was between being selected and getting the promotion. (USAF)
Link Posted: 6/10/2004 7:50:37 AM EST
It took me just a little over 2 years in the Navy back in 1982
Link Posted: 6/10/2004 7:56:49 AM EST
[Last Edit: 6/10/2004 7:57:10 AM EST by double_r76]
E1 to E-5 took 38 months... mainly because it took me almost two years to make it to my first futy station. I made E-6 in less than 6 years total. When I ETS'ed as an E-6 with just a little over 7 years in the army, people looked at me like I was nuts... "But you're doing so well?" I'm pretty sure I can do better away from the army (I can always apply to OCS/OTS if I want to come back in).

-Randy
Link Posted: 6/10/2004 6:48:47 PM EST
I made my E-5 points about six months after I ETS'd, which would have put it at 3 years. I was a 91S, and the points were locked at 798 until I left, which kind of sucked because I was with the GA Nat'l Guard, and their system was pretty jacked up from what I understood (which wasn't much, no one seemed to want to tell me how to get promoted). Still an E-4, but in the Air Force Reserves, which is a much more comfortable gig.
Link Posted: 6/11/2004 2:52:31 AM EST

Originally Posted By kuo34:
I made my E-5 points about six months after I ETS'd, which would have put it at 3 years. I was a 91S, and the points were locked at 798 until I left, which kind of sucked because I was with the GA Nat'l Guard, and their system was pretty jacked up from what I understood (which wasn't much, no one seemed to want to tell me how to get promoted). Still an E-4, but in the Air Force Reserves, which is a much more comfortable gig.



That just sucks! 798 is natures way of telling you to check the in\out scores for another job.

I made E-5 as an MP in the USAR in about 48 months of combined RA\USAR, (mostly USAR) time. At the time (1989) there was a critical shortage of E-5's in the 77 ARCOM (NYC area), and I made the secondary list with 450 points, and no PLDC. I was promoted early along with about 10% of the list, and due to my having the earliest date of enlistment, I ended up the senior E-5 out of everyone on the list.
Link Posted: 6/11/2004 2:58:10 AM EST
Made E-5 in a little under 4 years in service that was in 1981, retired an E-7.
Link Posted: 6/11/2004 9:29:15 AM EST
E-5 in 38 months. My MOS was 98C-RU
Link Posted: 6/11/2004 11:19:41 AM EST
made E-5 in 2 years, but I was in the nuclear navy and it was a push button thing

Link Posted: 6/11/2004 11:53:49 AM EST

Maybe the better question is how long does it take to make the ARFCOM EE Hall of Shame??

Lets see, you joined April 2001, do the math!!

www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=7&f=109&t=209625
Link Posted: 6/11/2004 2:31:22 PM EST

Originally Posted By XM777:
Maybe the better question is how long does it take to make the ARFCOM EE Hall of Shame??

Lets see, you joined April 2001, do the math!!

www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=7&f=109&t=209625




Link Posted: 6/11/2004 2:41:32 PM EST
PNA twice as an OS3. I was looking to get out anyway so it wasn't a big problem for me.
Link Posted: 6/12/2004 9:52:42 PM EST

Originally Posted By kuo34:
I made my E-5 points about six months after I ETS'd, which would have put it at 3 years. I was a 91S, and the points were locked at 798 until I left, which kind of sucked because I was with the GA Nat'l Guard, and their system was pretty jacked up from what I understood (which wasn't much, no one seemed to want to tell me how to get promoted). Still an E-4, but in the Air Force Reserves, which is a much more comfortable gig.



I hear ya!

I too was singing the 91S blues. Got out as a CPL in '96. Had 738 points, but after a year of not getting promoted, decided to seek greener pastures. Basically had everything maxed out except for civilian education. h.gif
Link Posted: 6/13/2004 4:33:05 AM EST
LOL The 91S blues wouldn't have been so bad if the N4s were allowed to become warrant officers (I'm not sure when the 91X-91S merger happened . . . late 80s early 90s?). There was talk about it in 2000, but I understand they simply did away with the N4 designation after I left and their teaching all the 91S techs about health physics. It really sucked because we didn't get any points for getting through N4 (but we were a lot more independent!).
Link Posted: 6/14/2004 10:25:59 AM EST
3 years here. DOR 1-Mar-71, just after arriving in RVN.
Link Posted: 6/15/2004 5:16:09 AM EST
Pretty sure I picked up E-5 in 1999. I did test for E-5 prior to ETS'ing from Active duty, but that was just so I didn't get on some MPF poo list. Got E-6 in 2002 (at just shy of 8 years).

What's next? O-1E (I hope)... damn I'm gonna be an old butter bar.
Link Posted: 6/15/2004 6:53:51 AM EST
[Last Edit: 6/15/2004 6:57:12 AM EST by fadedsun]
After I graduate from College (Major in Criminal Justice) I am wondering what kind of payrate and/or rank the army or Marine corp would be willing to offer me...has anybody been in that position before? What did you get?

When I graduate, I will be 22 years old.

Ben
Link Posted: 6/15/2004 7:07:04 AM EST
Link Posted: 6/15/2004 7:12:33 AM EST
[Last Edit: 6/15/2004 7:13:27 AM EST by GackMan]

Originally Posted By Hoplite:
army will give you E-4 with a BS/BA degree



don't get me going on that... E-3 I could stomach.


I made E-5 in 30 months. That was in '93.

Made points for E-6 but told the army they could hold it for me... in case I come back, that was 7 years ago.

Link Posted: 6/15/2004 7:17:06 AM EST
What is an E-4...Staff seargent?

Ben
Link Posted: 6/15/2004 7:20:40 AM EST
Let me see..... I entered USAF basic training in Sep 84 and got to my first duty station in Jan 85. I tested for SSgt/E-5 for the first time in Oct 87 (and made it) and the results were released in Jan 88 . For any of you USAF types that may give a damn, the cutoff score in my career field was 297. We had an 8% promotion rate to SSgt that year. The promotion rate to SSgt in 2001 was 65% and in 2002 it was 62%! All you had to do was spell your name correctly and you could get promoted. Last year it "dropped" all the way down to 50%. The times, they are a changing!

I'm still on active duty and I'm going to hit the big "two-oh" this Sept. All I need to do is get promoted to E-8 this next cycle and then I'll retire two years after that.
Link Posted: 6/15/2004 8:06:49 AM EST
USMC

10 Jan 1989 Recruit E-1
01 Jun 1993 Sergeant E-5

4 years 5 months



Link Posted: 6/17/2004 10:27:00 AM EST
8

fucking

years



­
Thanks to all of the contract Corporals and a dieing MOS...
Link Posted: 6/19/2004 12:58:37 PM EST
Active Army in 83 as a 19E, made E-4 in two, joined the reserves and pinned it on me as I practically walked in the door. So I would say 3 years, but Combat arms is a good way to get up there. stayed in for 21 total. made E-7 in 9 years (I was 28) and had a blast, could of made E-8 easy, but that's no fun. every see a 1stSGT with his own tank platoon and his own tank that job is totally overatted.
Link Posted: 6/19/2004 2:20:36 PM EST
[Last Edit: 6/19/2004 6:16:53 PM EST by GackMan]

Originally Posted By fadedsun:
What is an E-4...Staff seargent?



No. Have you no google skills?

Rather than have a little pay tag that indicated you have a degree and ust kicking in a bonus for finishing school, the Army gives college graduates the rank of SPC when they join the Army.... trying to entice ejumacated people and shit.

Problem is, they come in with a degree in underwatter basket weaving and they out rank a guy who joined as an E-1 and had been doing his job for a year and a half and is only a PFC.

I'd say bring them in as a PFC, that way they are still a private and they still need TIS to make E4...

see... you are stying to get my blood pressure up!
Link Posted: 6/19/2004 6:02:59 PM EST
I agree with Gack. The 'Spec 4 mafia" as we use to call it is like a limbo land between the privates and the junior NCO's. I ve seen and worked with some outstanding E-4's who knew their shit. and some PFC's that did to. and then ya get these guys who get E-4 pinned out a basic/AIT who no jack and their pushin E-3's around who have been doin the job for 12-14Months already.
Link Posted: 6/21/2004 1:59:42 AM EST
Hehe, it took me 7 years to make E-5. Thanks to a dipshit admin officer not including my wing points I was not advanced when I made E-5 the first time.

It only took me 6 more years to make E-6.



Originally Posted By DPeacher:
8 fucking years Thanks to all of the contract Corporals and a dieing MOS...

Link Posted: 6/21/2004 2:35:59 AM EST
E2 to E4 in 2 years. E4 to GS10 in 2.5.

CH­RIS
Link Posted: 6/21/2004 3:06:51 PM EST

Originally Posted By ktrout01:
I was a "push-button" E-4 in the Navy Nuclear Power program, flunked out of that along with 60% of my class. Flunking out was the best thing that ever happened to me LOL! I went to the fleet as a no nothing E-4 and learned alot in my tour on a carrier. I made E-5 my first time up with total service of 3 years and a couple months. E-6 took another 2.5 years. I left the Navy with 8 years, 11 months and 17 days (who counts ? ) on the books with my name on the E-7 promotion list. Hind-sight says I should have stayed but family came first and I was looking at another 5 years of sea duty.



I was a "push-button" E-4 as well and made E-5 in just over 2.5 years. I got out 3.5 years later as an E-5 - some family event forced me to miss the only E-6 test I could have took and been promoted with before I got out.
Link Posted: 6/21/2004 3:30:35 PM EST
I will be sewing it on 1 July. It'll be 3 years, 11 months, and 28 days.

That's fast by air force standards. I can't see being an NCO with less than 4 years, no matter what your job or service may be.
Link Posted: 6/22/2004 6:25:40 AM EST

Originally Posted By NAM:
I can't see being an NCO with less than 4 years, no matter what your job or service may be.



Tell that to all the Army combat arms guys who made E-6 over four years. Them's some high speed mutha's!
Link Posted: 6/22/2004 7:33:00 PM EST

Originally Posted By NAM:
I will be sewing it on 1 July. It'll be 3 years, 11 months, and 28 days.

That's fast by air force standards. I can't see being an NCO with less than 4 years, no matter what your job or service may be.



That's only a little below average now, the average now is only 4.25 years. I made it in 4 years 11 months when the average time was 7.5 years. Made TSgt (E-6) in 8 years 10 months.
Link Posted: 6/22/2004 8:10:31 PM EST
E5 in 2 years... E6 in 4.
Link Posted: 6/29/2004 6:32:57 AM EST
I was an E-4p, P=permanent for 8 years.
Link Posted: 6/29/2004 7:28:30 AM EST
[Last Edit: 6/29/2004 7:38:13 AM EST by TennVol]

Originally Posted By 2A373:

Originally Posted By NAM:
I will be sewing it on 1 July. It'll be 3 years, 11 months, and 28 days.

That's fast by air force standards. I can't see being an NCO with less than 4 years, no matter what your job or service may be.



That's only a little below average now, the average now is only 4.25 years. I made it in 4 years 11 months when the average time was 7.5 years. Made TSgt (E-6) in 8 years 10 months.



Geez. With the promotion rate to E-5/SSgt the last three years of 65%, (2001), 62% (2002) & 50% last year, no disrespect intended, but all you had to do was sign your name to the test! Try making it when the promotion rate is 8%. That's a tough one.

Edited to add:
Put on SSgt at 3 yrs 7 mos 7 days (8% promotion rate)
Put on TSgt at 7 yrs 7 mos 7 days (11% promotion rate)
Put on MSgt at 13 yrs 5 mos 7 days (21% promotion rate)
Still waiting on SMSgt!
Link Posted: 6/30/2004 10:29:20 PM EST
5 years, USMC.
Why do all the other services promote so quickly?
Link Posted: 7/2/2004 7:57:48 PM EST
made E5 in about two years, E6 in about 4. i was on the E7 promotions list when i hung it up in 79 with 8.5 years in. i would have to say that my first sergeants told me how to say what they wanted to hear on the the promotion E5 and E6 board and how much trash you could pack in your packet for E7. lots of ARCOM's, Good Conducts, Schools and crap in the files. choice duty too, would go to ft stewart to grade their tank gunnery, was assigned to instruct and grade the Conway SC national guard armor unit. usually was a guinnie pig for project masters while in the 1st cav. trained with german panzer units while with the 3rd armor. i had it made.
Link Posted: 7/2/2004 8:35:07 PM EST
I made E-5 in just a tad over 3 years, but better for me was when I became a section chief at E-4, with just over 2 years TIS.
Link Posted: 7/5/2004 8:27:36 AM EST
I had a bit of a 'tour of the ranks'. Push-button E-4 out of schools, masted to E-3, masted to E-2, administratively reduced to E-1, sent to the surface fleet, grew up quick, back in rate and returned to E-4 in a year, E-5 a year later, at the four year mark. I used to tell people that if I had been promoted linearly, I would have made captain by the time I got out. Thank goodness they lowered the 'good conduct medal' requirements to three years.

Lessons Learned:
Underaged drinking: bad.
Fighting over shampoo: bad.
Sent to the surface fleet: surprisingly good.
Link Posted: 7/5/2004 2:14:20 PM EST
Made E-4 in 2 yrs. Eligible for E-5 at the three year mark. Injured and discharged after surgery and months of rehab.
Link Posted: 7/5/2004 2:45:16 PM EST
Made it in 3 1/2, put it on 4years, 8mos, 27 days
Link Posted: 7/5/2004 5:44:01 PM EST
Im going on 5 years and still a E-4, waiting for points to drop (my MOS has been at 798 since february, Ive only got 641.) Funny how I have more points than it takes to become a E-6 in the infantry, but I cant make E-5 in my own job.
Link Posted: 7/6/2004 1:19:19 PM EST
What's your MOS? Remember rank comes faster when the duty's tough.


Originally Posted By nf9648:
Im going on 5 years and still a E-4, waiting for points to drop (my MOS has been at 798 since february, Ive only got 641.) Funny how I have more points than it takes to become a E-6 in the infantry, but I cant make E-5 in my own job.

Link Posted: 7/6/2004 2:34:35 PM EST
15D, Im aviation maintenance, doesnt mean I have a easy job either. Try supporting over 24000 flight hours and completeing over 1000 work orders while having to provide convoy protection up and down highway 1 for a year.
Link Posted: 7/6/2004 2:43:23 PM EST
Ain't that the truth. Avation is a tough field for promotion, but you guys have your perks.


Originally Posted By nf9648:
15D, Im aviation maintenance, doesnt mean I have a easy job either. Try supporting over 24000 flight hours and completeing over 1000 work orders while having to provide convoy protection up and down highway 1 for a year.

Link Posted: 7/7/2004 1:56:52 PM EST

I am currently an E-5 in the National Guard.

I enlisted in September of 97 as an E-1, and it was 20 months until I made E-2 (8 months in before I went to Basic, 8 months at Basic/AIT, then four months after I got back I finally brought it up to my team chief that I would like to get promoted).

I made E-5 in March of 02, so four and a half years total, although promotions came very quickly after the first one in May of 99. I was up for E-6 last year, but our wonderful pogue S-1 NCO didn't put all of my submitted STPA packet in until it was too late, so I am not even on the fucking list AT ALL this year.

Thanks a lot, I will remember this come my next ETS date.

Link Posted: 7/12/2004 2:53:03 PM EST
[Last Edit: 7/12/2004 3:01:32 PM EST by llanero]
I made E-5 the day I graduated from BCT, so it took around 72 days IIRC.
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