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Posted: 12/11/2013 3:52:50 PM EST
Buds Gun Shop
KY Guns

How?
Link Posted: 12/11/2013 3:54:44 PM EST
Buds wanted an extra $30 to join the pure profit club when I tried to buy a rock island 1911 tactical. Fuck buds and no response from customer service when I emailed a question.

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Link Posted: 12/11/2013 3:56:26 PM EST
Link Posted: 12/11/2013 3:57:05 PM EST
moving a large quantity of inexpensive pistols.


same reason the dollar store stays in business
Link Posted: 12/11/2013 3:58:59 PM EST
Made in the Philippines.
Link Posted: 12/11/2013 4:01:10 PM EST
Works out to the same price you would pay at some local shops after tax and everything.



RIA's just don't cost a lot.
Link Posted: 12/11/2013 4:01:52 PM EST
Turns out a decent 1911 isn't that expensive to make. I'm sure the profit margin is low on those, but it's still including parts, non western labor and shipping half way around the world.

Does more money buy you a better 1911? Absolutely, but the debate would be if it's $200- 2000 better.
Link Posted: 12/11/2013 4:04:45 PM EST
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Originally Posted By LurchAddams:
Made in the Philippines.
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Thats where all the good stuff comes from.
Link Posted: 12/11/2013 4:05:41 PM EST
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Originally Posted By thelaw09:
Turns out a decent 1911 isn't that expensive to make. I'm sure the profit margin is low on those, but it's still including parts, non western labor and shipping half way around the world.

Does more money buy you a better 1911? Absolutely, but the debate would be if it's $200- 2000 better.
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That debate will always continue to go on forever
Link Posted: 12/11/2013 4:06:47 PM EST
Less overhead, less markup, offsetting some storefront and customer interaction costs to the local FFL. Blame the socialist totalitarians and the GCA '68.
Link Posted: 12/11/2013 4:07:37 PM EST
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The G.I. ones aren't that huge of a discount, but the tactical models that Buds was selling were a really good deal. I own a small pawnshop and am an FFL. Bud's tactical price was quite a bit below normal dealer cost (at least it was before they started making you join their club to get the good price). The only thing I can figure is that these are the older style tacticals with the wood grips. The new tacticals have rubber grips. There may be a few other changes, but I'm not sure about that. I think they were just dumping some old inventory now that the new version is on the market.
Link Posted: 12/11/2013 4:09:48 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Bladeswitcher:
The G.I. ones aren't that huge of a discount, but the tactical models that Buds was selling were a really good deal. I own a small pawnshop and am an FFL. Bud's tactical price was quite a bit below normal dealer cost (at least it was before they started making you join their club to get the good price). The only thing I can figure is that these are the older style tacticals with the wood grips. The new tacticals have rubber grips. There may be a few other changes, but I'm not sure about that. I think they were just dumping some old inventory now that the new version is on the market.
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Which rollmark did it have? The big slide billboard, or the little one behind the slide serrations?
Link Posted: 12/11/2013 4:14:40 PM EST
Buds has good deals, but they are slooooow to ship. Ordered a handgun on 12/5/13 and it still shows in process. No tracking yet......
Link Posted: 12/11/2013 4:16:57 PM EST
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Originally Posted By moreammoplz:
Buds has good deals, but they are slooooow to ship. Ordered a handgun on 12/5/13 and it still shows in process. No tracking yet......
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The Shield I bought from PSA took 7 days to ship.
Link Posted: 12/11/2013 4:40:51 PM EST
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Originally Posted By WhirlyGirl45:

Thats where all the good stuff comes from.
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Originally Posted By WhirlyGirl45:
Originally Posted By LurchAddams:
Made in the Philippines.

Thats where all the good stuff comes from.


I think minimum wage is around 6 bucks per day there, or was when I visited about 3 years ago.
Link Posted: 12/11/2013 4:45:23 PM EST
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Originally Posted By LurchAddams:
Made in the Philippines.

Thats where all the good stuff comes from.




Like cheap hookers and horrible beer
Link Posted: 12/11/2013 4:53:16 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Bladeswitcher:
The G.I. ones aren't that huge of a discount, but the tactical models that Buds was selling were a really good deal. I own a small pawnshop and am an FFL. Bud's tactical price was quite a bit below normal dealer cost (at least it was before they started making you join their club to get the good price). The only thing I can figure is that these are the older style tacticals with the wood grips. The new tacticals have rubber grips. There may be a few other changes, but I'm not sure about that. I think they were just dumping some old inventory now that the new version is on the market.
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These have rubber grips.


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Link Posted: 12/11/2013 4:54:24 PM EST
I read an article about 10 years ago where a GLOCK hitting our shore cost $70 after clearing. Pot metal from the phillipines should be cheaper.
Link Posted: 12/11/2013 7:54:22 PM EST
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Like cheap hookers and horrible beer
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Originally Posted By WhirlyGirl45:
Originally Posted By LurchAddams:
Made in the Philippines.

Thats where all the good stuff comes from.




Like cheap hookers and horrible beer



Hey they do have Colt 45 over there dude!
Link Posted: 12/11/2013 8:34:11 PM EST
Meanwhile at Armscor...
Link Posted: 12/11/2013 10:45:19 PM EST
I bought the RIA tactical on Black Friday from buds. I got it today and have not shot it. I played with it earlier and it seems to be of good quality. It's the first 1911 I've owned and I'm happy with it. So far so good. It has a lot of features for the 390$ it cost. It is what it is, a budget 1911. I think it is a pretty good value.
Link Posted: 12/12/2013 12:42:45 AM EST
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Meanwhile at Armscor...
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thank you for that post, your caption literally made me start crying laughing!!!!!!!!!!
Link Posted: 12/12/2013 1:26:19 AM EST
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Originally Posted By Madcap72:
Works out to the same price you would pay at some local shops after tax and everything.



RIA's just don't cost a lot.
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Folks tend to never include shipping, tax, and transfer fees when they report on a online "deal".

It's like Oh look...cheap gun, you buy. Never mind you could be looking at another $60.00 in charges.
Link Posted: 12/12/2013 1:28:23 AM EST
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Originally Posted By RVAguy:
I read an article about 10 years ago where a GLOCK hitting our shore cost $70 after clearing. Pot metal from the phillipines should be cheaper.
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They aren't pot metal.
Link Posted: 12/12/2013 1:39:38 AM EST
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Which rollmark did it have? The big slide billboard, or the little one behind the slide serrations?
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Originally Posted By Bladeswitcher:
The G.I. ones aren't that huge of a discount, but the tactical models that Buds was selling were a really good deal. I own a small pawnshop and am an FFL. Bud's tactical price was quite a bit below normal dealer cost (at least it was before they started making you join their club to get the good price). The only thing I can figure is that these are the older style tacticals with the wood grips. The new tacticals have rubber grips. There may be a few other changes, but I'm not sure about that. I think they were just dumping some old inventory now that the new version is on the market.
Which rollmark did it have? The big slide billboard, or the little one behind the slide serrations?

Yar, this be the question.
Link Posted: 12/12/2013 2:05:59 AM EST
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Originally Posted By Madcap72:
Works out to the same price you would pay at some local shops after tax and everything.



RIA's just don't cost a lot.
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Sure, if your tax rate is 75% or more. Why do people always make this comment when those of us who do online ordering know exactly how much we saved from avoiding our local ripoff dealers? Why?

Shipping is often only $20, long gun or pistol. Transfer fees range from a paltry $5, upto $40 or $50. All and any of which added together is still significantly less than our locals. If it weren't, obviously we wouldn't do it.
Link Posted: 12/12/2013 2:23:39 AM EST
Damn, it wasn't that long ago you could buy a real honest to God Colt 1991 for less than $500.
Link Posted: 12/12/2013 2:30:01 AM EST
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Sure, if your tax rate is 75% or more. Why do people always make this comment when those of us who do online ordering know exactly how much we saved from avoiding our local ripoff dealers? Why?

Shipping is often only $20, long gun or pistol. Transfer fees range from a paltry $5, upto $40 or $50. All and any of which added together is still significantly less than our locals. If it weren't, obviously we wouldn't do it.
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Originally Posted By fistpoint:
Originally Posted By Madcap72:
Works out to the same price you would pay at some local shops after tax and everything.



RIA's just don't cost a lot.



Sure, if your tax rate is 75% or more. Why do people always make this comment when those of us who do online ordering know exactly how much we saved from avoiding our local ripoff dealers? Why?

Shipping is often only $20, long gun or pistol. Transfer fees range from a paltry $5, upto $40 or $50. All and any of which added together is still significantly less than our locals. If it weren't, obviously we wouldn't do it.


Yep:

Products
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1 x Rock Island Armory 1911 Tactical 45 ACP 5" Parkerized (51431) = $349.00
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Sub-Total: $349.00
Credit Card - NO cash discount: $10.47
Shipping to Wyoming: 1 Gun (Insured - (full refund/replace for item lost/damaged in shipping)): $4.00
Total: $363.47


That shipped price of $364, plus the $25 transfer fee that I will pay, is still over $100 cheaper then what I would pay a local dealer for the same gun. And the dealer I'm sending it to usually has RIAs in stock.
Link Posted: 12/12/2013 2:35:40 AM EST
KA3B, since your order was messed up, check page 20, post made by "futurerancher" about 3/4 of the way down the page. You may still be able to get a good deal on the Tactical.
Link Posted: 12/12/2013 2:44:49 AM EST
I think a better question is why do people pay so much for things like buy Filipino STIs for near $1000? A lot of it is the dumb cult of Browning that blinds people into thinking a Springfield is a top quality US made gun or that the crappy laser engraving on SIG made onesisn't a gross insult on a gun with the tag they carry.




Link Posted: 12/12/2013 2:45:28 AM EST
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I'm sure the profit margin is low on those, but it's still including parts
Link Posted: 12/12/2013 3:11:15 AM EST
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Yar, this be the question.
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Originally Posted By Madcap72:
Originally Posted By Bladeswitcher:
The G.I. ones aren't that huge of a discount, but the tactical models that Buds was selling were a really good deal. I own a small pawnshop and am an FFL. Bud's tactical price was quite a bit below normal dealer cost (at least it was before they started making you join their club to get the good price). The only thing I can figure is that these are the older style tacticals with the wood grips. The new tacticals have rubber grips. There may be a few other changes, but I'm not sure about that. I think they were just dumping some old inventory now that the new version is on the market.
Which rollmark did it have? The big slide billboard, or the little one behind the slide serrations?

Yar, this be the question.

billboard
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Originally Posted By fatcat4620:
Originally Posted By Madcap72:
Originally Posted By Bladeswitcher:
The G.I. ones aren't that huge of a discount, but the tactical models that Buds was selling were a really good deal. I own a small pawnshop and am an FFL. Bud's tactical price was quite a bit below normal dealer cost (at least it was before they started making you join their club to get the good price). The only thing I can figure is that these are the older style tacticals with the wood grips. The new tacticals have rubber grips. There may be a few other changes, but I'm not sure about that. I think they were just dumping some old inventory now that the new version is on the market.
Which rollmark did it have? The big slide billboard, or the little one behind the slide serrations?

Yar, this be the question.

billboard

Then a closeout sale it be me mates
Link Posted: 12/12/2013 3:27:40 AM EST
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Originally Posted By outofbattery:
I think a better question is why do people pay so much for things like buy Filipino STIs for near $1000? A lot of it is the dumb cult of Browning that blinds people into thinking a Springfield is a top quality US made gun or that the crappy laser engraving on SIG made onesisn't a gross insult on a gun with the tag they carry.




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Well, Springfield uses a forged frame and slide for one. More expensive to manufacture and a better quality product.


Not to start a forged vs. Cast debate, but I've had my fill of cast frame pistols and won't go back (para ordnance fwiw).

Eta: I've never understood the attraction to STI 1911s with the exception of the 2011 model for ipsc shooters.
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Originally Posted By Hanzerik:


Yep:


That shipped price of $364, plus the $25 transfer fee that I will pay, is still over $100 cheaper then what I would pay a local dealer for the same gun. And the dealer I'm sending it to usually has RIAs in stock.
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Originally Posted By fistpoint:
Originally Posted By Madcap72:
Works out to the same price you would pay at some local shops after tax and everything.



RIA's just don't cost a lot.



Sure, if your tax rate is 75% or more. Why do people always make this comment when those of us who do online ordering know exactly how much we saved from avoiding our local ripoff dealers? Why?

Shipping is often only $20, long gun or pistol. Transfer fees range from a paltry $5, upto $40 or $50. All and any of which added together is still significantly less than our locals. If it weren't, obviously we wouldn't do it.


Yep:

Products
------------------------------------------------------
1 x Rock Island Armory 1911 Tactical 45 ACP 5" Parkerized (51431) = $349.00
------------------------------------------------------
Sub-Total: $349.00
Credit Card - NO cash discount: $10.47
Shipping to Wyoming: 1 Gun (Insured - (full refund/replace for item lost/damaged in shipping)): $4.00
Total: $363.47


That shipped price of $364, plus the $25 transfer fee that I will pay, is still over $100 cheaper then what I would pay a local dealer for the same gun. And the dealer I'm sending it to usually has RIAs in stock.

When I'm buying something like that, I usually print it out, take it to the shop, and ask nicely if they can meet that price.
Usually they either meet the price, or come close enough, that I buy it locally.
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Originally Posted By moreammoplz:
Buds has good deals, but they are slooooow to ship. Ordered a handgun on 12/5/13 and it still shows in process. No tracking yet......
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Just ,,,,go there.


Link Posted: 12/12/2013 3:42:09 AM EST
Those RIA's are really good quality 1911's for the price. Where they cheap it out on you is in the mags. Many many many people only seem to get anywhere from 200-500 rounds through the stock mags before they go bad. Would be worth it to buy some better mags elsewhere down the road from wilson combat or a couple of the others that tend to be good quality 1911 mags.
Link Posted: 12/12/2013 3:47:09 AM EST
I know of one dealer distributor that had the RIA 1911 discounted when Bud's had the special.
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Originally Posted By 1srelluc:


Folks tend to never include shipping, tax, and transfer fees when they report on a online "deal".

It's like Oh look...cheap gun, you buy. Never mind you could be looking at another $60.00 in charges.
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Originally Posted By Madcap72:
Works out to the same price you would pay at some local shops after tax and everything.



RIA's just don't cost a lot.


Folks tend to never include shipping, tax, and transfer fees when they report on a online "deal".

It's like Oh look...cheap gun, you buy. Never mind you could be looking at another $60.00 in charges.


it was $329 shipped, no tax and a $15 transfer fee, so $344 total out of pocket
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Just ,,,,go there.


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Originally Posted By moreammoplz:
Buds has good deals, but they are slooooow to ship. Ordered a handgun on 12/5/13 and it still shows in process. No tracking yet......


Just ,,,,go there.



Their retail location is a POS gun shop and has none of the inventory of the web site.
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Originally Posted By RVAguy:
I read an article about 10 years ago where a GLOCK hitting our shore cost $70 after clearing. Pot metal from the phillipines should be cheaper.
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I've seen more Kimbers, Nighthawks, and springfield shit the bed than RIA's, what are they made out of then? Gum?
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Originally Posted By outofbattery:
I think a better question is why do people pay so much for things like buy Filipino STIs for near $1000? A lot of it is the dumb cult of Browning that blinds people into thinking a Springfield is a top quality US made gun or that the crappy laser engraving on SIG made onesisn't a gross insult on a gun with the tag they carry.
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What "Filipino STI" is being sold near $1000? The only ones I know of are the Spartans, which are more like $650.
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Sure, if your tax rate is 75% or more. Why do people always make this comment when those of us who do online ordering know exactly how much we saved from avoiding our local ripoff dealers? Why?

Shipping is often only $20, long gun or pistol. Transfer fees range from a paltry $5, upto $40 or $50. All and any of which added together is still significantly less than our locals. If it weren't, obviously we wouldn't do it.
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Originally Posted By fistpoint:
Originally Posted By Madcap72:
Works out to the same price you would pay at some local shops after tax and everything.



RIA's just don't cost a lot.



Sure, if your tax rate is 75% or more. Why do people always make this comment when those of us who do online ordering know exactly how much we saved from avoiding our local ripoff dealers? Why?

Shipping is often only $20, long gun or pistol. Transfer fees range from a paltry $5, upto $40 or $50. All and any of which added together is still significantly less than our locals. If it weren't, obviously we wouldn't do it.
Because I worked at a gunstore and saw it happen all the time?

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Because I worked at a gunstore and saw it happen all the time?

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Originally Posted By Madcap72:
Originally Posted By fistpoint:
Originally Posted By Madcap72:
Works out to the same price you would pay at some local shops after tax and everything.



RIA's just don't cost a lot.



Sure, if your tax rate is 75% or more. Why do people always make this comment when those of us who do online ordering know exactly how much we saved from avoiding our local ripoff dealers? Why?

Shipping is often only $20, long gun or pistol. Transfer fees range from a paltry $5, upto $40 or $50. All and any of which added together is still significantly less than our locals. If it weren't, obviously we wouldn't do it.
Because I worked at a gunstore and saw it happen all the time?




Right. But surely you understand that your gun store you worked at couldn't possibly begin to represent the prices across the nation?


Originally Posted By LurchAddams:
When I'm buying something like that, I usually print it out, take it to the shop, and ask nicely if they can meet that price.
Usually they either meet the price, or come close enough, that I buy it locally.



Lol, I wish. My last attempt to purchase locally and even using cash to avoid additional loss of profit for the dealer resulted in a special cash price of...MSRP, down from over MSRP. That was the discount, to be brought down to MSRP which nobody pays. Naturally, I walked out and ordered it online for a savings of almost $100, enough to buy 4 additional mags at the time.

In my personal experiences I have saved about $50-$100 on purchases ranging from $0-$500, and save $200+ on the $1000+ items. Of course this was after checking locally, which is always futile on new stuff.
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Originally Posted By Madcap72:
Originally Posted By Bladeswitcher:
The G.I. ones aren't that huge of a discount, but the tactical models that Buds was selling were a really good deal. I own a small pawnshop and am an FFL. Bud's tactical price was quite a bit below normal dealer cost (at least it was before they started making you join their club to get the good price). The only thing I can figure is that these are the older style tacticals with the wood grips. The new tacticals have rubber grips. There may be a few other changes, but I'm not sure about that. I think they were just dumping some old inventory now that the new version is on the market.
Which rollmark did it have? The big slide billboard, or the little one behind the slide serrations?

Yar, this be the question.

billboard

Then a closeout sale it be me mates



I got my tactical in today. It's the new style gun, with rubber grips. It has billboard lettering, but it seems to be printed, rather than engraved. I think it could be removed.

BTW, Bud's price was CONSIDERABLY less than normal dealer cost. No way a dealer is going to come close to the price, even after you factor in transfer fees.
Link Posted: 12/12/2013 5:10:08 PM EST
How much were they going for?
Link Posted: 12/12/2013 5:14:46 PM EST
promotion money. usually for large sellers in any business, if they sell enough of them, many time they can use that money to offer products at a great price. techniclly they are selling below cost, but it offset by said money.

Lots of back door money if you sell enough of anything
Link Posted: 12/12/2013 5:21:17 PM EST
RIA moved their logo to the rear of the slide. Anyone with the old billboard guns has to either discount them or be stuck with them since people want the new non billboard guns.
Link Posted: 12/12/2013 6:45:19 PM EST
Another GD thread turns into a fountain of misinformation.
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And yet here you are, not bothering to correct any of it.
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