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Posted: 12/2/2007 10:31:54 PM EDT
How is it that many people cannot see the similarities between Iran w/ Germany and Japan during those fatefull years.

Back then, as in now, people feel that if we leave them alone, they will leave us alone. Except that they haven't. Before the war, Hitler was building his army/weapons, claiming they were in defense (sound familiar) until he started invading countries. Today, Iran has been aiding Al Quida and others in a type of invasion.

Our preemptive stance to date, in my opinion, is what has kept Iran or any other power hungry nation, from invading and taking over the middle east and beyond.

Also like Nazi Germany, Iran, and other Similar nations have a core ideology to "conquer". As in Islamic rule.

I just wish some people would take another look at history and see the similarities.
Link Posted: 12/2/2007 10:33:04 PM EDT
"Peace in our time."
Link Posted: 12/2/2007 10:46:46 PM EDT
There are many things going on right now, such as the Soviet Union trying to come back, Hugo Chavez, Kim Ill, the pali question, etc.......that are helping to shape how we deal with Iran.
Link Posted: 12/2/2007 10:49:59 PM EDT
No industrial base to speak of, and not a chance in hell of conquering any of their neighbors.

Link Posted: 12/3/2007 12:40:01 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Tomislav:
No industrial base to speak of, and not a chance in hell of conquering any of their neighbors.



No Navy either. Japan and Germany were on par with us at the time we entered WWII, Iran is nowhere near so and will not be in the foreseeable future.
Link Posted: 12/3/2007 3:05:52 AM EDT
The Germans and the Japanese invaded other countries, Iran hasn't done that. The Germans wanted "Lebensraum" (livingspace) for the German people and invaded Poland first and then the rest of Europe.

Japan has a geological problem where resources were very limited. No steel, wood and the country is very mountainess so they decided to invade other countries to steal it there.

Iran hasn't given any indications to invade other countries, except Israel. Invading Israel will send them back to the stones ages however, and they know that so they won't.
Link Posted: 12/3/2007 3:07:27 AM EDT
We have hippies preventing us from attacking them and the technology exists for them to develop and build nukes if we do nothing.
Link Posted: 12/3/2007 3:22:40 AM EDT
Well, if the US tells other countries (Israel, hmm?) to leave Iran alone and then doesnt get involved until several years into a massive global war and millions of civilians have been systematically murdered because the US was too scared or too dumb to do what's right then Iran will be exactly like Germany in the 1920's and 1930's.


Here's hoping history doesnt repeat itself and Israel doesnt let the US do to Iran what it did to North Korea a few short years ago.
Link Posted: 12/3/2007 4:28:25 AM EDT

Originally Posted By verticalgain:

Originally Posted By Tomislav:
No industrial base to speak of, and not a chance in hell of conquering any of their neighbors.



No Navy either. Japan and Germany were on par with us at the time we entered WWII, Iran is nowhere near so and will not be in the foreseeable future.



Yep. Iran can definitely be a threat to our interests in that God-forsaken corner of the world, but it won't be coming from their division or fleets.
Link Posted: 12/3/2007 4:36:47 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Tomislav:

Originally Posted By verticalgain:

Originally Posted By Tomislav:
No industrial base to speak of, and not a chance in hell of conquering any of their neighbors.



No Navy either. Japan and Germany were on par with us at the time we entered WWII, Iran is nowhere near so and will not be in the foreseeable future.



Yep. Iran can definitely be a threat to our interests in that God-forsaken corner of the world, but it won't be coming from their division or fleets.




I don't know if I totally agree with that. The Iranian Navy couldn't hold a candle to the US Navy in a blue water fight, but the Persian Gulf and Straights of Hormuz aren't really blue water. They could be a threat - especially to international shipping - and screw up the whole worlds economy, if only for a little while.



-K
Link Posted: 12/3/2007 4:43:11 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Special-K:
I don't know if I totally agree with that. The Iranian Navy couldn't hold a candle to the US Navy in a blue water fight, but the Persian Gulf and Straights of Hormuz aren't really blue water. They could be a threat - especially to international shipping - and screw up the whole worlds economy, if only for a little while.


The US Navy CAN play in shallow waters. Near Iran.

But even if the Iranians were to try that again, I wouldn't count that as the same sort threat that the Kriegsmarine or IJN posed. MAYBE you could paint something like as being close to the U-Boat threat, but the Germans were making their own U-Boats, training crews by the bushel, and maintaining a war effort from 1939 until the very end; the Iranian navy couldn't hope to last too terribly long if things got heated.

Link Posted: 12/3/2007 4:48:37 AM EDT
Refresh my memory - who is knocking on who's border?
Link Posted: 12/3/2007 4:48:54 AM EDT

Originally Posted By verticalgain:

Originally Posted By Tomislav:
No industrial base to speak of, and not a chance in hell of conquering any of their neighbors.



No Navy either. Japan and Germany were on par with us at the time we entered WWII, Iran is nowhere near so and will not be in the foreseeable future.


Yup.
History is very informative in a lot of ways. I'm an avid student of history. But saying that history repeats itself is too simplistic. Iran has not, so far, actually expanded its borders using military force a la the Third Reich. Nor is it an industrial power.
On the other hand, Islamic Radicalism/Fanaticism has proven that it has legs way beyond the ideology of Nazism. Islam has endured for 1,400 years. Nazism only lasted thirteen or fourteen years. Islam has also demonstrated an implacable hostility to all outside cultures during that 1,400 year history.

Iran with its current government is a threat, but it's also a separate case.
Link Posted: 12/3/2007 4:53:58 AM EDT

Originally Posted By JonasWright:
Refresh my memory - who is knocking on who's border?


Ding ding ding. Somewhere in Iran, someone is asking what's the difference between Germany in 1938 and America in 2007. Of course, then he's probably going off to stone a 13 year old girl to death for looking at a man or something.
Link Posted: 12/3/2007 5:22:53 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/3/2007 5:24:36 AM EDT by brasidas]
Germany had the best military tradition in the world, and Japanese had notoriously brave soldiers. Germany had the second biggest economy in the world and techincal leadership in many fields.

The Iranians could not beat Iraq. It's GDP is about 5% of ours. They are struggling to recreate technology we had 50 years ago.

I'm not saying we need to sit on our hands, but the threat should not be overstated either.
Link Posted: 12/3/2007 6:33:20 AM EDT
Iran is probably more like Italy before WWII-a whole lotta hat, not much cattle.
Link Posted: 12/3/2007 6:39:50 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Tomislav:
No industrial base to speak of, and not a chance in hell of conquering any of their neighbors.



I think Iran could easily take Iraq if we weren't there. And then the Gulf States.

They say one reason the Arabs are at the negotiating table in Annapolis is that they are more scared of Iran than Israel.

Their rockets could take out Riyadh.
Link Posted: 12/3/2007 6:43:18 AM EDT
If Iran has nukes and a method to deploy them, they don't really need a strong army since nukes become both their defence and offence.

Their goal at this time is to destroy one country at the loss of their population, which is perceived as a fair trade. This was not the intent of Germany or Japan.
Link Posted: 12/3/2007 6:45:24 AM EDT
Germany & Japan had a bite much larger than its bark, Iran on the otherhand is all bark, it just never shuts up
Link Posted: 12/3/2007 8:20:22 AM EDT

Originally Posted By 69firebirdconv:
How is it that many people cannot see the similarities between Iran w/ Germany and Japan during those fatefull years.


Did you forget, it was US that invaded the Sudaten<<<<<<<Iraq.
Link Posted: 12/3/2007 8:24:06 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/3/2007 8:27:02 AM EDT by Fast_Jimmy]

Originally Posted By 69firebirdconv:

I just wish some people would take another look at history and see the similarities.


Does Iran have the worlds largest, most modern army?

Not even close.

Iran is dangerous for various reasons, but the overused germany/japan/WWII analogy, besides being hopelessly inaccurate, makes you sound silly.
Link Posted: 12/3/2007 8:57:06 AM EDT
Wishful thinking.

Iran has one oil refinery.

Iran cannot project power.

Iran is not even a threat to Israel.

Ineedahandjob has a big mouth guys, that's all, his days and Islamic theocracy in Iran are numbered. They will eventually be deposed by pro-western Iranians.

Attacking Iran now would be the worst thing the US could do geo-politically.

A pro-western Iranian revolution, that is successful would be about the best thing to happen to the US in the region, since they found oil in Saudi.

Why is it that some on this board seem like they actively desire a war with Iran.

Sorry guys but $3 a gallon sucks enough as it is.

Link Posted: 12/3/2007 9:02:34 AM EDT
Didnt Yoda say this? " We are doomed"
Link Posted: 12/3/2007 9:05:19 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Bobby_the_Hun:
Germany & Japan had a bite much larger than its bark, Iran on the otherhand is all bark, it just never shuts up


Bingo

But if we try real hard we can become scared of them.
Link Posted: 12/3/2007 11:23:41 AM EDT
One big difference. In 1940, Greece had a bigger military than the US.

Back then the US were isolationists who luckily had 2 very large oceans to give us time to re-arm.
Link Posted: 12/3/2007 11:37:49 AM EDT
The major difference is that they probably want as much for the physical territory
they're threatening, than they do the deaths of the inhabitants...
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