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Posted: 6/5/2008 7:49:15 AM EST
Link Posted: 6/5/2008 7:50:01 AM EST
It's fine unless your mag/magwell blows up into your hand.
Link Posted: 6/5/2008 7:51:00 AM EST

Originally Posted By HiramRanger:
Is this a God awful practice?


If it is, I'm just as guilty.

I say screw it, it ain't.
Link Posted: 6/5/2008 7:51:07 AM EST
It's the same thing I do. <shrug>
Link Posted: 6/5/2008 7:51:26 AM EST
[Last Edit: 6/5/2008 8:08:28 AM EST by kybosshog420]

Shoot how ever you want
Link Posted: 6/5/2008 7:51:42 AM EST
I do it.
Link Posted: 6/5/2008 7:51:59 AM EST
I've seen alot of people do it this way. It makes the rifle too front heavy for my tastes though.
Link Posted: 6/5/2008 7:52:08 AM EST
Have seen thousands of GI's do this over the course of 40 years. Cant be that big a deal.
Link Posted: 6/5/2008 7:52:26 AM EST
Thats how I do it.

Never liked the vertical grip no matter how high speed people think it is.

Link Posted: 6/5/2008 7:52:44 AM EST
[Last Edit: 6/5/2008 7:52:57 AM EST by NineLivez]
I do it as well, whetever works as long as you are putting lead down range and on target
Link Posted: 6/5/2008 7:54:06 AM EST

Originally Posted By HiramRanger:
I am not a fan of verticle foregrips since they still attach too far forward for my tastes. Instead I support the rifle with my offhand by gripping the front and side of the magwell - not the magazine itself. Basically what I do is use my index and middle finger to support the rifle by wrapping around the magwell. The other two fingers either lightly touch the magazine or basically hang relatively free if that makes sense. I find this comfortable, the rifle handles well... it seems to work for me. Is this a God awful practice?


This topic has been beat to death here multiple times. For the most part the end conclusion is that it is not that bad, but if you do have a bad KB your pinky and ring finger might be a bit sore/missing chunks.
Link Posted: 6/5/2008 7:54:45 AM EST
[Last Edit: 6/5/2008 7:56:09 AM EST by Silence]
Ive done it.

I will do it in the future.

But I try not to when I think about it. Especially after seeing a rifle shred recievers, split a mag well, and blow chunks of mag, and the rounds in the mag, to hell and back.

Link Posted: 6/5/2008 7:54:52 AM EST

Originally Posted By fourteenpointfive:
I've seen alot of people do it this way. It makes the rifle too front heavy for my tastes though.


It does make it front heavy on a rifle. A carbine seems to be better.
Link Posted: 6/5/2008 7:55:42 AM EST

I do it as well.
Link Posted: 6/5/2008 7:56:47 AM EST

Originally Posted By HiramRanger:
I am not a fan of verticle foregrips since they still attach too far forward for my tastes. Instead I support the rifle with my offhand by gripping the front and side of the magwell - not the magazine itself. Basically what I do is use my index and middle finger to support the rifle by wrapping around the magwell. The other two fingers either lightly touch the magazine or basically hang relatively free if that makes sense. I find this comfortable, the rifle handles well... it seems to work for me. Is this a God awful practice?


Fine until you are about 100+ rounds into it and your hands starts to get hot.

Putting your arm way out is not comfortable for long periods of time, good thing about the AR is that you can put that grip real far back on your rail and it won't interfere with changing mags like it would on an AK. But if you shooting for an extended period of time it's going to get real hot at the forward part of your upper receiver.
Link Posted: 6/5/2008 8:01:29 AM EST
Seems awkward and less stable to me, but it looks like I'm in the minority.
Link Posted: 6/5/2008 8:03:36 AM EST
Its fine, heck some lowers are being made with "stipiling" on the front side of the lower to accomodate a better grip for folks using this type of front hold...I would recomend wearing gloves with a hold like that though.
Link Posted: 6/5/2008 8:08:06 AM EST

Originally Posted By Mazeman:
Seems awkward and less stable to me, but it looks like I'm in the minority.


I agree
Link Posted: 6/5/2008 8:08:22 AM EST

Originally Posted By Silence:
Ive done it.

I will do it in the future.

But I try not to when I think about it. Especially after seeing a rifle shred recievers, split a mag well, and blow chunks of mag, and the rounds in the mag, to hell and back.



But if the barrel goes south like some of the M4 barrels did when they overheated....you still risk digit damage. I would worry about it unduly....
Link Posted: 6/5/2008 8:09:54 AM EST
I would say that as long your not death gripping the mag itself there shouldn't be an issue.
Link Posted: 6/5/2008 8:10:05 AM EST
Link Posted: 6/5/2008 8:14:25 AM EST
Here's some encouragement not to




I still do it though.
Link Posted: 6/5/2008 8:15:13 AM EST
I prefer VFGs, but as long as you are holding the magwell and not the mag it shouldn't affect function.

I would be worried more about a KB.

However I set up one of my rifles in this manner last night, surefire M3 on the bottom rail mounted pretty far back (it is about as long as the carbine handguard), magwell grip, just push my index knuckle forward and the light activates...pretty nifty
Link Posted: 6/5/2008 8:17:39 AM EST
[Last Edit: 6/5/2008 8:19:49 AM EST by StonerStudent]

Originally Posted By LoganSackett:
Here's some encouragement not to




I still do it though.


Looks like bad ammo....should have stopped at the start of that problem. I 'm not a big fan of the forward assist for that reason.......if the bolt doesn't close you have a problem.
Link Posted: 6/5/2008 8:18:25 AM EST
That's basically how I was taught to hold an AR-15, to avoid vertical "stringing" caused by inconsistent bending of the barrel.
Link Posted: 6/5/2008 8:18:46 AM EST
Link Posted: 6/5/2008 8:19:31 AM EST
I do it, just not all the time though. With my 16" midlength (M4 profile) I hold onto the handguard, on my 16" carbine (superlight) I hold the magwell sometimes.

I only hold it by the well if I am shooting righthanded. If shooting lefty I always hold the handguard. I like to shoot left most of the time just because it is not as natural and I would like to make it so that it is.
Link Posted: 6/5/2008 8:23:23 AM EST
It seems to me that on my 20" HBAR rifle, the little bend between the magwell and the delta ring is right around the balance point of the rifle. I tend to hold there, but I don't grip the magazine however.

Sometimes it is comfortable to balance the rifle there, and it seems to make plinking easier and more comfortable. If I am shooting for accuracy, I can't hold it there however.
Link Posted: 6/5/2008 8:26:19 AM EST

Originally Posted By StonerStudent:

Originally Posted By Silence:
Ive done it.

I will do it in the future.

But I try not to when I think about it. Especially after seeing a rifle shred recievers, split a mag well, and blow chunks of mag, and the rounds in the mag, to hell and back.



But if the barrel goes south like some of the M4 barrels did when they overheated....you still risk digit damage. I would worry about it unduly....


I dont worry about a kaboom when I pull the trigger, but I still wear eye protection.
Link Posted: 6/5/2008 8:32:36 AM EST

Originally Posted By California_Kid:
That's basically how I was taught to hold an AR-15, to avoid vertical "stringing" caused by inconsistent bending of the barrel.


what?!
Link Posted: 6/5/2008 8:34:11 AM EST

Originally Posted By Silence:

Originally Posted By StonerStudent:

Originally Posted By Silence:
Ive done it.

I will do it in the future.

But I try not to when I think about it. Especially after seeing a rifle shred recievers, split a mag well, and blow chunks of mag, and the rounds in the mag, to hell and back.



But if the barrel goes south like some of the M4 barrels did when they overheated....you still risk digit damage. I would worry about it unduly....


I dont worry about a kaboom when I pull the trigger, but I still wear eye protection.


I've only had one go boom on me.....a friends Sten gun running surplus ammo. Half way through a magazine and it squibed and stuck one half way down the barrel. Didn't hurt the receiver, but spllt the barrel right in front of the handguard.
Link Posted: 6/5/2008 8:36:49 AM EST
I trained that way when I was active and didnt have a grip on my M4.

/shrug
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