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Posted: 12/17/2016 6:02:17 PM EDT
This thread about Henry's new rifles for bottlenecked cartridges made me think about the 1895.
A great looking design, but is the performance as good as the aesthetics? |
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Posted: 12/17/2016 6:04:58 PM EDT
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Don't know but I would love to have one. carbine w/ a saddle ring!!!
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Posted: 12/17/2016 6:11:05 PM EDT
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This thread about Henry's new rifles for bottlenecked cartridges made me think about the 1895. http://winchestercollector.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/18952.jpg A great looking design, but is the performance as good as the aesthetics? Apparently the fact that the whole fucking action comes apart when you jack the lever made it a less-than-ideal choice for the Russian Front in WWI I still want one with the stripper clip feed in 7.62x54R 
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Posted: 12/17/2016 6:21:25 PM EDT
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I have one in 30 ARMY made in 1904 and it works well. Can you shoot .30-06 through that, or do you have to handload? |
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Posted: 12/17/2016 6:24:10 PM EDT
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The new Henry Rifles are goofy. Savage already had a corner on the market for advanced modern lever actions that used high pressure bottleneck cartridges in 1899.
1895's are pretty cool though. Like many guns, used to be cheap, not very pricey. |
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Posted: 12/17/2016 6:25:35 PM EDT
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These are on my short list, but I want a takedown version to sit next to my other takedowns.
I have an acquaintance from Columbia Mo that has one chambered for .303 British. We think it probably migrated here from somewhere in the British Empire. |
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Posted: 12/17/2016 6:25:45 PM EDT
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That deluxe one in the middle is pure sex
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Posted: 12/17/2016 6:30:50 PM EDT
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Can you shoot .30-06 through that, or do you have to handload? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I have one in 30 ARMY made in 1904 and it works well. Can you shoot .30-06 through that, or do you have to handload? 30 ARMY = 30 US = 30-40 Krag 1895 also comes in 30 GOVT = 30-06 |
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Posted: 12/17/2016 7:00:44 PM EDT
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30 ARMY = 30 US = 30-40 Krag 1895 also comes in 30 GOVT = 30-06 My bad - given the year I thought it would be .30-03 (which has a slightly longer neck than .30-06). |
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Posted: 12/17/2016 7:13:27 PM EDT
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I have one in 30 ARMY made in 1904 and it works well. I have one similar to yours Mine made in 1898/early99 with the same sight. I think its the 31 Lyman sight. 30 US was at that time the 30-40 Krag and 30-06 is not interchangeable. Its actually a decent shooter and caliber although factory ammo is around, its sort of pricey and handloading is best. Plenty of big game in North America has been taken with 30-40, but its outclassed by many other cartridges. My 1895 shoots surprisingly well with the aperture sights on it. Its not a fast gun to reload or "top off" as the rounds are manually fed from the opened receiver action in an awkward manner. 30-40 is mild to shoot in it and I'd think with its lines, recoil in the larger calibers are stout. |
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Posted: 12/17/2016 7:16:45 PM EDT
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Posted: 12/17/2016 7:18:24 PM EDT
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They are great rifles,
I have owned three of them over the years. The 30-40 and 7.62x54 went away, but I kept the 30-06 . All fantastic shooters, and solid lever guns. If you want into classic Winchesters, they are some of the more obtainable ones for a starting collector. |
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Posted: 12/17/2016 7:32:48 PM EDT
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Can you shoot .30-06 through that, or do you have to handload? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I have one in 30 ARMY made in 1904 and it works well. Can you shoot .30-06 through that, or do you have to handload? 30 Army = 30-40 Krag and commercial ammo is available. |
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Posted: 12/17/2016 8:26:35 PM EDT
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Can you shoot .30-06 through that, or do you have to handload? that is 30/40 |
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Posted: 12/17/2016 8:38:38 PM EDT
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I have one in 30 ARMY made in 1904 and it works well.  I had a love affair with these for years, but I eventually gave it up. If you want any kind of a rear peep (and barrel mounted rear sights suck arse  ), this is your only realistic option for doing it. And as you can tell, that is a primitive fucker at best. They just do not respond well to anything like modern sighting gear. And face it, if you have crap sights, you have a crap rifle. 
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Posted: 12/17/2016 8:42:11 PM EDT
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Teddy Roosevelt's go to gun when he did his African Safari. Many of the animals he took went to the Smithsonian Natural History Museum.
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Posted: 12/17/2016 8:44:20 PM EDT
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Teddy Roosevelt's go to gun when he did his African Safari. Many of the animals he took went to the Smithsonian Natural History Museum. His was in .405, his "big medicine". 
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Posted: 12/17/2016 9:02:28 PM EDT
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I had a love affair with these for years, but I eventually gave it up. If you want any kind of a rear peep (and barrel mounted rear sights suck arse ), this is your only realistic option for doing it. And as you can tell, that is a primitive fucker at best. They just do not respond well to anything like modern sighting gear. And face it, if you have crap sights, you have a crap rifle. The problem is you're wrong that peep sight is quite good and so are the barrel mounted buckhorn sights |
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Posted: 12/17/2016 9:17:38 PM EDT
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The problem is you're wrong that peep sight is quite good and so are the barrel mounted buckhorn sights Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I had a love affair with these for years, but I eventually gave it up. If you want any kind of a rear peep (and barrel mounted rear sights suck arse ), this is your only realistic option for doing it. And as you can tell, that is a primitive fucker at best. They just do not respond well to anything like modern sighting gear. And face it, if you have crap sights, you have a crap rifle. The problem is you're wrong that peep sight is quite good and so are the barrel mounted buckhorn sights  Son, this is an example of a truly great rear sight, the Lyman 48. Anything else, is just wanking in the breeze.
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Posted: 12/17/2016 9:25:30 PM EDT
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Son, this is an example of a truly great rear sight, the Lyman 48. Anything else, is just wanking in the breeze.
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-G6yIhtrEib8/Tqw5_35ej4I/AAAAAAAAB1g/yYKEaoy4BvQ/s1600/Lyman_slide_0001.jpg My anschutz rear sight giggles at your confidence in that statement. |
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Posted: 12/17/2016 9:28:47 PM EDT
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Don't know how they perform but would love one in x54r.
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Posted: 12/17/2016 9:30:50 PM EDT
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My buddy has one of the deluxe models in .405 Win, and it's a bear to shoot. It's about a ~1.5 MOA rifle with handloads.
It's a cool rifle and all, but I'd take a bolt rifle in a more forgiving caliber any day of the week. |
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Posted: 12/17/2016 9:30:52 PM EDT
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My anschutz rear sight giggles at your confidence in that statement. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Son, this is an example of a truly great rear sight, the Lyman 48. Anything else, is just wanking in the breeze.
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-G6yIhtrEib8/Tqw5_35ej4I/AAAAAAAAB1g/yYKEaoy4BvQ/s1600/Lyman_slide_0001.jpg My anschutz rear sight giggles at your confidence in that statement. So post pix. Let's see your Anschutz goodness. Show me how good it can be, baby. Pron me, you teasing bitch. 
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Posted: 12/17/2016 9:36:23 PM EDT
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Son, this is an example of a truly great rear sight, the Lyman 48. Anything else, is just wanking in the breeze.
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-G6yIhtrEib8/Tqw5_35ej4I/AAAAAAAAB1g/yYKEaoy4BvQ/s1600/Lyman_slide_0001.jpg Disagree, the sight on my Krag is good to go. flips up to be a great peep sight 
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Posted: 12/17/2016 9:56:08 PM EDT
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Disagree, the sight on my Krag is good to go. flips up to be a great peep sight http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v655/banditman1/DSC_0935.jpg Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Son, this is an example of a truly great rear sight, the Lyman 48. Anything else, is just wanking in the breeze.
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-G6yIhtrEib8/Tqw5_35ej4I/AAAAAAAAB1g/yYKEaoy4BvQ/s1600/Lyman_slide_0001.jpg Disagree, the sight on my Krag is good to go. flips up to be a great peep sight http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v655/banditman1/DSC_0935.jpg WRONG!!11!!11!! First, sight radius: a sight back by the eye has at least 10 inches longer of a sight radius. The longer the radius, the more precise the sight. Basic geometry.
Second, the "squint" effect. As someone getting on in years, with considerably less-than-perfect vision, peep sights right next to the eye on the back of the receiver are ALWAYS gonna be better than any Partridge sight stuck waaaaaaaaaay out on the back of the barrel. And even those young will benefit from this, as they, too, will find it easier to hit with a good set of peep sights set up close to the eye. 
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Posted: 12/17/2016 10:13:21 PM EDT
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I believe a newer version ( mfg in the last 20 or so years ) in .30-06 with a scout-mount scope would be real nice.
It's a great looking gun. 
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Posted: 12/17/2016 10:19:01 PM EDT
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WRONG!!11!!11!! First, sight radius: a sight back by the eye has at least 10 inches longer of a sight radius. The longer the radius, the more precise the sight. Basic geometry.
Second, the "squint" effect. As someone getting on in years, with considerably less-than-perfect vision, peep sights right next to the eye on the back of the receiver are ALWAYS gonna be better than any Partridge sight stuck waaaaaaaaaay out on the back of the barrel. And even those young will benefit from this, as they, too, will find it easier to hit with a good set of peep sights set up close to the eye. 
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Posted: 12/17/2016 10:27:22 PM EDT
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WRONG!!11!!11!! First, sight radius: a sight back by the eye has at least 10 inches longer of a sight radius. The longer the radius, the more precise the sight. Basic geometry.
Second, the "squint" effect. As someone getting on in years, with considerably less-than-perfect vision, peep sights right next to the eye on the back of the receiver are ALWAYS gonna be better than any Partridge sight stuck waaaaaaaaaay out on the back of the barrel. And even those young will benefit from this, as they, too, will find it easier to hit with a good set of peep sights set up close to the eye. Easy to post a smilie; much harder to post an effective, well-thought-out rebuttal. Don't be shy, tell me where I'm wrong. 
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Posted: 12/17/2016 10:30:49 PM EDT
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Easy to post a smilie; much harder to post an effective, well-thought-out rebuttal. Don't be shy, tell me where I'm wrong. Have you ever looked through my sight? No and you don't know what you are talking about. You have no clue about measurements as well. |
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Posted: 12/17/2016 10:36:57 PM EDT
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Son, this is an example of a truly great rear sight, the Lyman 48. Anything else, is just wanking in the breeze.
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-G6yIhtrEib8/Tqw5_35ej4I/AAAAAAAAB1g/yYKEaoy4BvQ/s1600/Lyman_slide_0001.jpg Son? Listen kid, I was buying and trading old rifles before you quit sucking a sugar teat. No go back and play with yer marbles. I ll agree that the 48 is a fine sight, but to say the 1895 had poor sights is just a plain lie. They were damn fine for the day, and a lot of accurate shooting was done with them. I can use buck horns to damn near get moa no problem. If you cant see I understand that and maybe you need goggles or something to fix your issues. |
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Posted: 12/17/2016 10:41:47 PM EDT
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I have owned 3
if you want 30-06 get a 19080s era repo from Winchester originals in -06 were a little weak the ones in 30-40 Krag are my favorites they are great guns. I do not like that you have to squeeze the lever to pull the trigger it always causes me to miss. |
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Posted: 12/17/2016 11:16:39 PM EDT
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My anschutz rear sight giggles at your confidence in that statement. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Son, this is an example of a truly great rear sight, the Lyman 48. Anything else, is just wanking in the breeze.
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-G6yIhtrEib8/Tqw5_35ej4I/AAAAAAAAB1g/yYKEaoy4BvQ/s1600/Lyman_slide_0001.jpg My anschutz rear sight giggles at your confidence in that statement. As does my RPA and Redfield Palma and Redfield Olympic sights. Lyman 48s are good for kid's rifles. Oh, and good luck taking that tiny peep deer hunting. |
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Posted: 12/17/2016 11:33:02 PM EDT
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Son, this is an example of a truly great rear sight, the Lyman 48. Anything else, is just wanking in the breeze.
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-G6yIhtrEib8/Tqw5_35ej4I/AAAAAAAAB1g/yYKEaoy4BvQ/s1600/Lyman_slide_0001.jpg 
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Posted: 12/17/2016 11:35:12 PM EDT
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https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/168010/image-109556.JPG Mine is .303 British, great rifle! My favorite rifle I own....! Very cool! |
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Posted: 12/18/2016 1:09:46 AM EDT
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So post pix. Let's see your Anschutz goodness. Show me how good it can be, baby. Pron me, you teasing bitch. Old pic with some of my jr Olympic smallbore stuff from when I was a kid, not relevant to the thread but the only pic I have on had that wouldn't be with my potato cam phone.
Rear peep has a 7 shade color filter, and the aperture is a dial-able aperture size to adjust for target size or light conditions Each click adjusts 1mm @ 50 yards. Front sight uses changeable apertures (for what I was doing clear plastic apertures, but comes with different posts as well out of steel) The little book shows the factory vise shot group, 10 rounds at 50 M forming a .3" diameter hole.
The lyman 48 is a good sight, and like the Weaver 4x scope, a staple of American shooting. But using modern high end smallbore or Palma/ highpower sights is like going from a Caprice to a Cadillac.
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Posted: 12/18/2016 1:13:07 AM EDT
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Posted: 12/18/2016 3:02:33 AM EDT
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Posted: 12/18/2016 3:06:47 AM EDT
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Teddy Roosevelt's go to gun when he did his African Safari. Many of the animals he took went to the Smithsonian Natural History Museum. Teddy kept the real nice trophies for himself |
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Posted: 12/18/2016 3:21:19 AM EDT
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Quote Historybe cooler if the video showed up I guess?
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Posted: 12/18/2016 5:25:16 AM EDT
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These are on my short list, but I want a takedown version to sit next to my other takedowns. I have an acquaintance from Columbia Mo that has one chambered for .303 British. We think it probably migrated here from somewhere in the British Empire. Winchester chambered some in 303 to sell to the British during ww1. |
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