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Posted: 6/23/2016 1:17:19 AM EDT
I've observed that on a general sense, most conservatives like Reagan. I think it's fair to say that a majority of firearm enthusiasts are conservative. But do firearm enthusiasts like the impact Reagan had on the firearm industry? The two biggest ones I think would be the post-86 ban on Machine Guns, support for the 1994 AWB, and support for anything Brady related.

I mean, the FOPA grants civilian gun enthusiasts some nice rights such as right of passage transporting firearms between states and being able to mail order ammunition, but does that outweigh me not being able to own a P90 as a civilian? I personally don't think so.
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Reagan was a good president for the time, but he grew government exponentially, for better or worse.

Retrospectively, his drug policy was dumb, his .mil growth destroyed the Russians (at a great cost to us, that we're likely still paying for), and his "gun control" stance was less than ideal.

Great actor, decent president, but he had his draw-backs, despite what most "conservatives" will admit to.

He seems to be loved unconditionally by the right, like Johnny Cash is in country music.
Link Posted: 6/23/2016 1:54:16 AM EDT
"It is a pleasure to be able to sign into law H.R. 3132 to ban the production or importation of the so-called cop-killer bullets,"

How Ronald Reagan learned to love gun control

Peter Weber
AP Photo/J. Scott Applewhite
December 3, 2015

America is once again waging a rhetorical war of attrition over gun violence, after another mass shooting, this one in San Bernardino, California. We know the name of the suspects, both dead, and that one of the shooters was a coworker of the 14 people he and his wife are accused of murdering. We know it was the worst mass shooting since a lone gunman shot dead 20 small children and seven adults in a Connecticut elementary school.

We don't know the motive for the attack, but we do have some idea how this recurring battle over preventing the next mass shooting will go, and what the U.S. will end up doing (nothing). Maybe we can trip up this cycle a bit by talking about Ronald Reagan.

You can't expect Republicans to love everything about Reagan, but because today's Republicans, and notably its current crop of presidential contenders, pay such respect to America's 40th president — sorry Bushes, père and fils — Reagan provides an interesting benchmark of American politics. There are a lot of issues that Reagan would be out of step with in today's Republican Party — immigration, negotiating with global enemies, and tax hikes, to name a few that liberals like to highlight. (Though, to be fair, are any Democrats excited to defend JFK's escalation of Vietnam?) But maybe the starkest is gun control.

So as America's fight over gun laws moves to Reagan's home state of California, both sides of the gun debate — but especially proponents of stricter gun laws — can probably learn something from the Gipper. Arguably the most consequential president for gun control legislation in the past century, Reagan was also a favorite son of the National Rifle Association, gun control's most effective opponent.

Here's a look at a few gun control measures Reagan played a critical role in:

1. Banning open carry in California.

Back in 1967, says Jacob Sullum at Reason, "the NRA supported the Mulford Act, which banned open carrying of loaded firearms in California. The law, a response to the Black Panthers' conspicuous exercise of the right to armed self-defense, also was supported by Gov. Ronald Reagan." As the bill's conservative sponsor, Don Mulford (R), argued in 1989, "openly carrying a gun is an 'act of violence or near violence,'" Sullum noted. "Apparently Reagan and the NRA agreed." The Mulford Act is still on the books in California, America's most populous state.

2. Banning the sale of machine guns and other automatic weapons.

The NRA fondly cites the Firearm Owners Protection Act of 1986 as "the most sweeping rollback of gun control laws in history." And while it did in fact roll back some of the provisions of the 1968 Gun Control Act, it also contained a provision — banning the sale of machine guns and other fully automatic weapons to civilians — that came back to haunt the NRA. Robert Spitzer, an expert on gun law, tells NPR that it was "a precedent that would open the door for restricting civilian access to semiautomatic, assault-style weapons." Congress did just that in 1994, thanks — very plausibly — to Ronald Reagan. (See below.)

3. Mandating background checks for handgun purchases.

In 1991, Reagan supported the Brady Handgun Violence Prevention Act, named for his press secretary shot during the 1981 attempt on Reagan's life. That bill passed in 1993, mandating federal background checks and a five-day waiting period. "Every year, an average of 9,200 Americans are murdered by handguns, according to Department of Justice statistics," Reagan wrote in a 1991 op-ed for The New York Times. "This does not include suicides or the tens of thousands of robberies, rapes, and assaults committed with handguns. This level of violence must be stopped."

4. Banning assault weapons.

Despite the law being enacted well after his presidency, Reagan was credited with playing a critical role in the Assault Weapons Ban of 1994, which has since expired. Reagan's personal and effective lobbying helped the bill overcome the strong objections of the NRA. "The vote on the assault weapon ban was contentious and barely passed the House of Representatives," notes Andrew Kaczynski. "At least two members of the House of Representatives credited Reagan with influencing their votes. The bill passed 216-214, a margin of two votes."

5. Importation or manufacturing of Armor-Piercing Ammunition 1986

6. Undetectable Firearms Act 1988

For anyone seeking a path toward common ground on gun control, there are interesting lessons here.

It's worth mentioning, of course, that times have changed: Modern gun-rights maximalism wasn't mainstream until about the time Reagan, a lifelong member of the NRA, became president. The NRA, for example, supported or even championed many gun control measures for most of its existence, until hardliner Harlon Carter became head of the organization in 1977, as UCLA law professor Adam Winkler detailed in The Atlantic. "Reagan's California," Winkler added, may have had "one of the strictest gun-control regimes in the nation," though Reagan's views "changed considerably" during the 1970s, too.

And that's the first lesson: Support for gun laws is cyclical, and has been since the Founding Fathers wrote the Second Amendment. My colleague Ryan Cooper was right to say there is another federal gun regulation in America's future, at some point down the line.

If Reagan did turn against gun regulations in the 1970s, his views shifted back sometime after he was shot by John Hinckley Jr. in 1981. And that points to the second big lesson from Reagan's views on gun control: They appear to be influenced by his personal experiences with people aiming guns at him.

Reagan cited his attempted assassination in his 1991 speech backing the Brady Bill, as well as honoring the other three men wounded in the attack: Jim Brady, who was shot in the head and paralyzed; Washington, D.C., police officer Thomas Delahanty, shot in the neck and forced to retire due to nerve damage; and Secret Service Agent Tim McCarthy, shot in the chest and liver. "This nightmare might never have happened if legislation that is before Congress now — the Brady bill — had been law back in 1981," Reagan said. He gave a favorable nod to Jim and Sarah Brady's work; the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence, which Sarah Brady led at the time, is one of the NRA's fiercest critics.

In California, Reagan threw his support behind the Mulford Act after a heavily armed group of Black Panthers gathered at the state capitol while the new governor was supposed to be hosting a group of eighth-graders for fried chicken, Winkler recounts at The Atlantic. That same afternoon, Reagan told reporters that he saw "no reason why on the street today a citizen should be carrying loaded weapons." Mulford quickly added a provision to his bill barring loaded firearms from the capitol, except for when carried by law enforcement.

Banning loaded weapons from the legislature may seem like a normal and prudent idea, but ordinary citizens could freely roam the U.S. Capitol until 1983, when a bomb detonated outside the Senate Republican cloakroom and House Minority Leader Robert Byrd's office. That wasn't the first bomb attack in the Capitol, and gunmen had fired at congressmen from the gallery in 1954, says Josh Zeitz at Politico Magazine, but after the '83 bomb congressmen finally started walling themselves off from citizens and, especially, citizens bearing arms. Even then, putting metal detectors at the door of the Capitol was controversial.

The Capitol complex has only gotten more locked down since then. Zeitz makes the obvious connection: "Ironically, as Congress has become less hospitable to gun safety laws, and as conservative Republican legislators have grown more strident in their desire to see citizens carry open and concealed weapons everywhere — in churches and schools, on college campuses, at bars and restaurants — the one venue that has grown more gun-free, more secure, and more restrictive is the building they work in."

This is wading into potentially dangerous territory, so let me be clear: The correct way to get more gun control is emphatically not to attack or threaten elected representatives. But it does seem true that when powerful constituencies feel personally threatened or aggrieved, they often appear more likely to support gun restrictions. After Rep. Gabrielle Giffords (D-Ariz.) was gravely shot and six supporters and staffers killed by a gunman in 2011, for example, she dedicated herself to the cause of gun control with her husband, Cmr. Mark Kelly, a Navy veteran.

The third major lesson from Reagan is that it matters who is proposing and backing new gun laws. When we trust people, we are more likely to listen to their ideas and have faith that they have, if not our best interests at heart, at least an aversion to harming our cause. Thus, right from the start, Democrats are more likely to support policies from Democratic presidents, Republicans are more likely to support proposals from GOP presidents, and the NRA is likely to consider ideas floated by gun-rights advocates and gun owners.

The NRA trusted Reagan; it has never trusted Obama. The closest the U.S. came to getting modest new firearms restrictions this century, in 2013, the sponsors of the bill were proud gun owners Sen. Pat Toomey (R-Pa.), an opponent of gun control, and Sen. Joe Manchin (D-W.Va.), who was endorsed by the NRA in 2012, in an election where he ran a TV ad featuring him shooting a piece of environmental legislation with a rifle. The NRA and Manchin parted ways in 2013.

There is a broad middle ground on gun laws. Proponents of tighter gun control, defeated and often demoralized after years of losses, would generally be open to if not thrilled by adding some modest restrictions. So would most Americans, and a majority of gun owners. The NRA, fueled by years of wins, isn't giving ground. That's where we're at.

Ronald Reagan, probably to the surprise of both gun control advocates and opponents, occupied that area of broad consensus. If the NRA really loved Reagan, they might remember that.

Link Posted: 6/23/2016 5:26:08 AM EDT
I voted for Ronnie twice. He was far from perfect. My eyes don't glass over at the mere thought of him like some...I remember the bad stuff as well as the good. On a scale of one to ten I would say he was a six at best.
Link Posted: 6/23/2016 5:28:32 AM EDT
Some good some bad.

Every time you rage at civil forfeiture, thank Ronny for his contribution.
Link Posted: 6/23/2016 5:43:05 AM EDT
Originally Posted By ottesen07:
I've observed that on a general sense, most conservatives like Reagan. I think it's fair to say that a majority of firearm enthusiasts are conservative. But do firearm enthusiasts like the impact Reagan had on the firearm industry? The two biggest ones I think would be the post-86 ban on Machine Guns, support for the 1994 AWB, and support for anything Brady related.

I mean, the FOPA grants civilian gun enthusiasts some nice rights such as right of passage transporting firearms between states and being able to mail order ammunition, but does that outweigh me not being able to own a P90 as a civilian? I personally don't think so.
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The FOPA has been key in battling gun regulation because it protects basic tenants of the right that liberals want to regulate to strangle gun owners.
Whenever someone micro-analyzes RR they end up missing the very broad and foundational successes that he had which includes his ideological legacy.

This search for perfection down to the minute detail is why Republicans miss the big picture and lose on a national stage.
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The FOPA has been key in battling gun regulation because it protects basic tenants of the right that liberals want to regulate to strangle gun owners.
Whenever someone micro-analyzes RR they end up missing the very broad and foundational successes that he had which includes his ideological legacy.

This search for perfection down to the minute detail is why Republicans miss the big picture and lose on a national stage.
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Originally Posted By ottesen07:
I've observed that on a general sense, most conservatives like Reagan. I think it's fair to say that a majority of firearm enthusiasts are conservative. But do firearm enthusiasts like the impact Reagan had on the firearm industry? The two biggest ones I think would be the post-86 ban on Machine Guns, support for the 1994 AWB, and support for anything Brady related.

I mean, the FOPA grants civilian gun enthusiasts some nice rights such as right of passage transporting firearms between states and being able to mail order ammunition, but does that outweigh me not being able to own a P90 as a civilian? I personally don't think so.

The FOPA has been key in battling gun regulation because it protects basic tenants of the right that liberals want to regulate to strangle gun owners.
Whenever someone micro-analyzes RR they end up missing the very broad and foundational successes that he had which includes his ideological legacy.

This search for perfection down to the minute detail is why Republicans miss the big picture and lose on a national stage.


Why do you not want Reagan recognized for banning evil gun features and bearing arms? He didn't have line item veto to get rid of the ammo recording negation and traveling with firearms parts of FOPA(fortunately the latter can be ignored as we see in New York) , but outside of that he had a solid record that would have made Lincoln proud.
Link Posted: 6/23/2016 6:24:23 AM EDT
Best boss I've ever had....

YMMV
Link Posted: 6/23/2016 6:25:52 AM EDT
I love when people rage about FOPA, and don't see exactly what they gained because of it.

Reagan was far from perfect, but he was the best thing we'd had for a long time, and since.
Link Posted: 6/23/2016 6:26:25 AM EDT
He gave us that shitstain King Bush the Elder
Link Posted: 6/23/2016 6:26:33 AM EDT
Fucking asshole signed more gun control than FBHO.
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Fucking asshole signed more gun control than FBHO.
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Clearly your emotional post is full of perspective based on the time that this was all happening in.
Nope, just kidding it is just anther vacuous emotional post from someone with a '14 join date.
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Clearly your emotional post is full of perspective based on the time that this was all happening in.
Nope, just kidding it is just anther vacuous emotional post from someone with a '14 join date.
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Originally Posted By Overkill777:
Fucking asshole signed more gun control than FBHO.

Clearly your emotional post is full of perspective based on the time that this was all happening in.
Nope, just kidding it is just anther vacuous emotional post from someone with a '14 join date.

Why do you not want Reagan recognized for the tremendous groath of the federal government he gave us?

He wasn't a meek do nothing, he created real power in the office to better rule over the subjects and all while most believed he was freeing them.
Link Posted: 6/23/2016 7:08:10 AM EDT
He was a great president.

Best of the 20th Century, by far.

(sorry, Coolidge fans)

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Why do you not want Reagan recognized for the tremendous groath of the federal government he gave us?

He wasn't a meek do nothing, he created real power in the office to better rule over the subjects and all while most believed he was freeing them.
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Originally Posted By G-MAHN:
Originally Posted By Overkill777:
Fucking asshole signed more gun control than FBHO.

Clearly your emotional post is full of perspective based on the time that this was all happening in.
Nope, just kidding it is just anther vacuous emotional post from someone with a '14 join date.

Why do you not want Reagan recognized for the tremendous groath of the federal government he gave us?

He wasn't a meek do nothing, he created real power in the office to better rule over the subjects and all while most believed he was freeing them.

Reagan fought and won a nuclear war without shots being fired and he was instrumental to building the U.S. into a modern day superpower. Those are achievements that don't just stand out among American Presidents but accomplishments that stand out in all of history.
Link Posted: 6/23/2016 7:17:28 AM EDT
At the time, he was what America needed after Ford and Carter.
He made me proud, but he wasn't conservative enough for me.
But considering who his opponents were, he was head and shoulders above them.
A great man, and a good president. I wish we could clone Ike.
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Reagan fought and won a nuclear war without shots being fired and he was instrumental to building the U.S. into a modern day superpower. Those are achievements that don't just stand out among American Presidents but accomplishments that stand out in all of history.
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Originally Posted By JasonB:
Originally Posted By G-MAHN:
Originally Posted By Overkill777:
Fucking asshole signed more gun control than FBHO.

Clearly your emotional post is full of perspective based on the time that this was all happening in.
Nope, just kidding it is just anther vacuous emotional post from someone with a '14 join date.

Why do you not want Reagan recognized for the tremendous groath of the federal government he gave us?

He wasn't a meek do nothing, he created real power in the office to better rule over the subjects and all while most believed he was freeing them.

Reagan fought and won a nuclear war without shots being fired and he was instrumental to building the U.S. into a modern day superpower. Those are achievements that don't just stand out among American Presidents but accomplishments that stand out in all of history.


So why don't you want his outstanding contributions to control over US subjects recognized? No price is too high for nationalist honor after all.

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Originally Posted By SuperDutyMikeMc:
Reagan was a good president for the time, but he grew government exponentially, for better or worse.

Retrospectively, his drug policy was dumb, his .mil growth destroyed the Russians (at a great cost to us, that we're likely still paying for), and his "gun control" stance was less than ideal.

Great actor, decent president, but he had his draw-backs, despite what most "conservatives" will admit to.

He seems to be loved unconditionally by the right, like Johnny Cash is in country music.
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Wrong. He allowed, through compromise with the democrats, to let them grow the government. He got what he wanted, which was a stronger military and the defeat of the Soviet Union.
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Wrong. He allowed, through compromise with the democrats, to let them grow the government. He got what he wanted, which was a stronger military and the defeat of the Soviet Union.
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Originally Posted By SuperDutyMikeMc:
Reagan was a good president for the time, but he grew government exponentially, for better or worse.

Retrospectively, his drug policy was dumb, his .mil growth destroyed the Russians (at a great cost to us, that we're likely still paying for), and his "gun control" stance was less than ideal.

Great actor, decent president, but he had his draw-backs, despite what most "conservatives" will admit to.

He seems to be loved unconditionally by the right, like Johnny Cash is in country music.



Wrong. He allowed, through compromise with the democrats, to let them grow the government. He got what he wanted, which was a stronger military and the defeat of the Soviet Union.

A stronger military equipped for fighting an Evil Empire on the verge of collapse, but ill equipped for the stone age goatfuckers we'd spend the next 3 decades fighting

But hey, we made the crumbling USSR crumble faster by a year or two... just in time for Saddam to start shit and well, the rest is up for Bush and Clinton and Bush and Obammy to fuck sideways.
Link Posted: 6/23/2016 8:56:29 AM EDT
He was far from perfect, but the best we've had in a long, long time.
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At the time, he was what America needed after Ford and Carter.
He made me proud, but he wasn't conservative enough for me.
But considering who his opponents were, he was head and shoulders above them.
A great man, and a good president. I wish we could clone Ike.
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Reagan was a perfect conservative in every way.

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Reagan was a perfect conservative in every way.

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Originally Posted By jmt1991:
At the time, he was what America needed after Ford and Carter.
He made me proud, but he wasn't conservative enough for me.
But considering who his opponents were, he was head and shoulders above them.
A great man, and a good president. I wish we could clone Ike.

Reagan was a perfect conservative in every way.



lol
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Clearly your emotional post is full of perspective based on the time that this was all happening in.
Nope, just kidding it is just anther vacuous emotional post from someone with a '14 join date.
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Originally Posted By Overkill777:
Fucking asshole signed more gun control than FBHO.

Clearly your emotional post is full of perspective based on the time that this was all happening in.
Nope, just kidding it is just anther vacuous emotional post from someone with a '14 join date.

He was a great president in a lot of ways but he was wrong on the most important issue.


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Reagan was a perfect conservative in every way.

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Originally Posted By jmt1991:
At the time, he was what America needed after Ford and Carter.
He made me proud, but he wasn't conservative enough for me.
But considering who his opponents were, he was head and shoulders above them.
A great man, and a good president. I wish we could clone Ike.

Reagan was a perfect conservative in every way.


There isn't such a thing as a perfect person so why judge them by that scale?
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There isn't such a thing as a perfect person so why judge them by that scale?
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Originally Posted By JasonB:
Originally Posted By jmt1991:
At the time, he was what America needed after Ford and Carter.
He made me proud, but he wasn't conservative enough for me.
But considering who his opponents were, he was head and shoulders above them.
A great man, and a good president. I wish we could clone Ike.

Reagan was a perfect conservative in every way.


There isn't such a thing as a perfect person so why judge them by that scale?


He was. What did he do different than any other true conservative elected to office?
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He was. What did he do different than any other true conservative elected to office?
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Originally Posted By G-MAHN:
Originally Posted By JasonB:
Originally Posted By jmt1991:
At the time, he was what America needed after Ford and Carter.
He made me proud, but he wasn't conservative enough for me.
But considering who his opponents were, he was head and shoulders above them.
A great man, and a good president. I wish we could clone Ike.

Reagan was a perfect conservative in every way.


There isn't such a thing as a perfect person so why judge them by that scale?


He was. What did he do different than any other true conservative elected to office?


By that logic, John McCain is a true conservative.
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He was. What did he do different than any other true conservative elected to office?
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There isn't such a thing as a perfect person so why judge them by that scale?


He was. What did he do different than any other true conservative elected to office?

Get some reading comprehension. Obviously you are playing devil's advocate to try and get people to give your point of view for you.
My question is why would you bother looking at someone's legacy with the lens of perfection when reality tells us they can't be perfect and even being imperfect they had accomplishments that stand out in history as a whole.
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A stronger military equipped for fighting an Evil Empire on the verge of collapse, but ill equipped for the stone age goatfuckers we'd spend the next 3 decades fighting

But hey, we made the crumbling USSR crumble faster by a year or two... just in time for Saddam to start shit and well, the rest is up for Bush and Clinton and Bush and Obammy to fuck sideways.
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Originally Posted By MBUZICHOMA:
Originally Posted By SuperDutyMikeMc:
Reagan was a good president for the time, but he grew government exponentially, for better or worse.

Retrospectively, his drug policy was dumb, his .mil growth destroyed the Russians (at a great cost to us, that we're likely still paying for), and his "gun control" stance was less than ideal.

Great actor, decent president, but he had his draw-backs, despite what most "conservatives" will admit to.

He seems to be loved unconditionally by the right, like Johnny Cash is in country music.



Wrong. He allowed, through compromise with the democrats, to let them grow the government. He got what he wanted, which was a stronger military and the defeat of the Soviet Union.

A stronger military equipped for fighting an Evil Empire on the verge of collapse, but ill equipped for the stone age goatfuckers we'd spend the next 3 decades fighting

But hey, we made the crumbling USSR crumble faster by a year or two... just in time for Saddam to start shit and well, the rest is up for Bush and Clinton and Bush and Obammy to fuck sideways.


Point me in the direction of the person or group who predicted the date of the downfall of the Soviet Union. Also the one who predicted the growth of Radical Islam? And the other predictions they made that were accurate.
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Reagan was a great President. One of the greatest of all time.

Of course he didn't align with every conservative on every single issue. Duh. Nobody does.

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And, as GD teaches us, that means he was a hard-core liberal.
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Point me in the direction of the person or group who predicted the date of the downfall of the Soviet Union. Also the one who predicted the growth of Radical Islam? And the other predictions they made that were accurate.
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Originally Posted By GreenBastard:
Originally Posted By MBUZICHOMA:
Originally Posted By SuperDutyMikeMc:
Reagan was a good president for the time, but he grew government exponentially, for better or worse.

Retrospectively, his drug policy was dumb, his .mil growth destroyed the Russians (at a great cost to us, that we're likely still paying for), and his "gun control" stance was less than ideal.

Great actor, decent president, but he had his draw-backs, despite what most "conservatives" will admit to.

He seems to be loved unconditionally by the right, like Johnny Cash is in country music.



Wrong. He allowed, through compromise with the democrats, to let them grow the government. He got what he wanted, which was a stronger military and the defeat of the Soviet Union.

A stronger military equipped for fighting an Evil Empire on the verge of collapse, but ill equipped for the stone age goatfuckers we'd spend the next 3 decades fighting

But hey, we made the crumbling USSR crumble faster by a year or two... just in time for Saddam to start shit and well, the rest is up for Bush and Clinton and Bush and Obammy to fuck sideways.


Point me in the direction of the person or group who predicted the date of the downfall of the Soviet Union. Also the one who predicted the growth of Radical Islam? And the other predictions they made that were accurate.

Anyone who had emigrated from the Soviet states like we did would tell you the end was near.



Then there's this fuckwit.
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This.


There was absolutely no question that he loved his country and the ideals it was founded on, even if his interpretation of them wasn't always perfect.
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Originally Posted By elbeefalo:


By that logic, John McCain is a true conservative.
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Originally Posted By jmt1991:
At the time, he was what America needed after Ford and Carter.
He made me proud, but he wasn't conservative enough for me.
But considering who his opponents were, he was head and shoulders above them.
A great man, and a good president. I wish we could clone Ike.

Reagan was a perfect conservative in every way.


There isn't such a thing as a perfect person so why judge them by that scale?


He was. What did he do different than any other true conservative elected to office?


By that logic, John McCain is a true conservative.


John Mccain is a true conservative. No different than any other.
Link Posted: 6/23/2016 10:12:59 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By G-MAHN:

Get some reading comprehension. Obviously you are playing devil's advocate to try and get people to give your point of view for you.
My question is why would you bother looking at someone's legacy with the lens of perfection when reality tells us they can't be perfect and even being imperfect they had accomplishments that stand out in history as a whole.
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Originally Posted By JasonB:
Originally Posted By G-MAHN:
There isn't such a thing as a perfect person so why judge them by that scale?


He was. What did he do different than any other true conservative elected to office?

Get some reading comprehension. Obviously you are playing devil's advocate to try and get people to give your point of view for you.
My question is why would you bother looking at someone's legacy with the lens of perfection when reality tells us they can't be perfect and even being imperfect they had accomplishments that stand out in history as a whole.


I stated he was a perfect conservative and no different than any other who has been elected. You seem to think otherwise, but can't give me a single reason as to why you think so.
Link Posted: 6/23/2016 10:14:22 AM EDT
Liked him a lot.

Voted for him twice.
Link Posted: 6/23/2016 10:14:34 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Ragin_Cajun:



This.


There was absolutely no question that he loved his country and the ideals it was founded on, even if his interpretation of them wasn't always perfect.
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Originally Posted By Frank_B:
He was far from perfect, but the best we've had in a long, long time.



This.


There was absolutely no question that he loved his country and the ideals it was founded on, even if his interpretation of them wasn't always perfect.


His interpretation was perfect. Now had he been a democrat those interpretations would have been problematic, but he wasnt.
Link Posted: 6/23/2016 10:20:49 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Fairplay:
I voted for Ronnie twice. He was far from perfect.My eyes don't glass over at the mere thought of him like some...I remember the bad stuff as well as the good. On a scale of one to ten I would say he was a six at best.
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No he wasnt perfect but he saved America. For those not there or to young to remember we had a shit show going on par with today. I was in the Military at the time and morale went up 100% when he was elected. He was so far different from Obama you couldnt even count the ways. He was the best President in my lifetime.

One things for sure. If he was in right now He'd have hit squads scouring the planet for every one of these terrorists and he sure as hell wouldnt be letting them in the country.
Link Posted: 6/23/2016 10:22:38 AM EDT
Originally Posted By ottesen07:
I've observed that on a general sense, most conservatives like Reagan. I think it's fair to say that a majority of firearm enthusiasts are conservative. But do firearm enthusiasts like the impact Reagan had on the firearm industry? The two biggest ones I think would be the post-86 ban on Machine Guns, support for the 1994 AWB, and support for anything Brady related.

I mean, the FOPA grants civilian gun enthusiasts some nice rights such as right of passage transporting firearms between states and being able to mail order ammunition, but does that outweigh me not being able to own a P90 as a civilian? I personally don't think so.
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Conservative and Reagan have no business being in the same sentence.
Grew Gov't, massive debt, first amnesty, first president to ban the action of a firearm.
Link Posted: 6/23/2016 11:14:38 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By GreenBastard:

Anyone who had emigrated from the Soviet states like we did would tell you the end was near.

http://www.commondreams.org/sites/default/files/styles/cd_large/public/headlines/rummy-and-sadam.jpg?itok=2icTzzT0

Then there's this fuckwit.
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Originally Posted By SuperDutyMikeMc:
Reagan was a good president for the time, but he grew government exponentially, for better or worse.

Retrospectively, his drug policy was dumb, his .mil growth destroyed the Russians (at a great cost to us, that we're likely still paying for), and his "gun control" stance was less than ideal.

Great actor, decent president, but he had his draw-backs, despite what most "conservatives" will admit to.

He seems to be loved unconditionally by the right, like Johnny Cash is in country music.



Wrong. He allowed, through compromise with the democrats, to let them grow the government. He got what he wanted, which was a stronger military and the defeat of the Soviet Union.

A stronger military equipped for fighting an Evil Empire on the verge of collapse, but ill equipped for the stone age goatfuckers we'd spend the next 3 decades fighting

But hey, we made the crumbling USSR crumble faster by a year or two... just in time for Saddam to start shit and well, the rest is up for Bush and Clinton and Bush and Obammy to fuck sideways.


Point me in the direction of the person or group who predicted the date of the downfall of the Soviet Union. Also the one who predicted the growth of Radical Islam? And the other predictions they made that were accurate.

Anyone who had emigrated from the Soviet states like we did would tell you the end was near.

http://www.commondreams.org/sites/default/files/styles/cd_large/public/headlines/rummy-and-sadam.jpg?itok=2icTzzT0

Then there's this fuckwit.


Congrats on your escape.
Link Posted: 6/23/2016 11:15:50 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By primuspilum:
He was a great president.

Best of the 20th Century, by far.

(sorry, Coolidge fans)

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I LIKE IKE

Regan was mixed bag
Link Posted: 6/23/2016 11:23:06 AM EDT
He literally made America great again. On a scale of 1-10 he was a 11.
The country was fucked during the carter years. Reagan fixed it.
Link Posted: 6/23/2016 11:26:17 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By USAF77:


No he wasnt perfect but he saved America. For those not there or to young to remember we had a shit show going on par with today. I was in the Military at the time and morale went up 100% when he was elected. He was so far different from Obama you couldnt even count the ways. He was the best President in my lifetime.

One things for sure. If he was in right now He'd have hit squads scouring the planet for every one of these terrorists and he sure as hell wouldnt be letting them in the country.
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Originally Posted By Fairplay:
I voted for Ronnie twice. He was far from perfect.My eyes don't glass over at the mere thought of him like some...I remember the bad stuff as well as the good. On a scale of one to ten I would say he was a six at best.


No he wasnt perfect but he saved America. For those not there or to young to remember we had a shit show going on par with today. I was in the Military at the time and morale went up 100% when he was elected. He was so far different from Obama you couldnt even count the ways. He was the best President in my lifetime.

One things for sure. If he was in right now He'd have hit squads scouring the planet for every one of these terrorists and he sure as hell wouldnt be letting them in the country.


He did amnesty. Why does everyone not want to give him credit for that?
Link Posted: 6/23/2016 11:29:53 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By CTM1:

Conservative and Reagan have no business being in the same sentence.
Grew Gov't, massive debt, first amnesty, first president to ban the action of a firearm.
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For fuck's sake does nobody understand the Constitution and how the separation of powers doctrine fucking works anymore?!!?!!111!LSMFTOMGBBQ

Link Posted: 6/23/2016 11:31:42 AM EDT
Link Posted: 6/23/2016 11:34:16 AM EDT
Originally Posted By ottesen07:

I mean, the FOPA grants civilian gun enthusiasts some nice rights such as right of passage transporting firearms between states and being able to mail order ammunition, but does that outweigh me not being able to own a P90 as a civilian? I personally don't think so.
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Improvement or restoration of rights for all gun owners vs. limiting rights for a very small portion.
Link Posted: 6/23/2016 11:36:39 AM EDT
Originally Posted By ottesen07:
I've observed that on a general sense, most conservatives like Reagan. I think it's fair to say that a majority of firearm enthusiasts are conservative. But do firearm enthusiasts like the impact Reagan had on the firearm industry? The two biggest ones I think would be the post-86 ban on Machine Guns, support for the 1994 AWB, and support for anything Brady related.

I mean, the FOPA grants civilian gun enthusiasts some nice rights such as right of passage transporting firearms between states and being able to mail order ammunition, but does that outweigh me not being able to own a P90 as a civilian? I personally don't think so.
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Ahhh! The weekly "fuck Reagan" thread, brought to you by the resident army of leftists that never once blame the democrat party.
Link Posted: 6/23/2016 11:39:55 AM EDT
The one thing about him was that he made you proud to be American.
Link Posted: 6/23/2016 11:45:33 AM EDT
the wall came down an millions of communists and gang members and other criminals invaded the USA and set up shop here...

The Franklin Scandal

Mena Arkansas (the real black side of Iran-Contra)

David Stockman (hated Vietnam vets)

I heard him once remark in a speech "Back when I was a submarine commander in WW2" only to be corrected by one of many "aides" standing in close proximity....
then he recovered and corrected "Back when I played the part of a submarine commander in WW2"...to be fair the ALS was probably already affecting him and his handlers
were necessary rather than a political move by the PTB above him...

He was most certainly the best orator we have ever had in the office...and inspite of Nancy holding seances and Ron consulting astrologers on national policy....he was probably
the most honest man the office had seen since the country was founded.....

He was definitely likeable and not a crook...he was respectable and very presidential...could get people moving in the right direction...

After Carter he certainly had his work cut out for him....
Link Posted: 6/23/2016 12:03:45 PM EDT
Zeitgeist, motherfucker. He did pretty good considering he had to deal with a hostile Dem congress.
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