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Posted: 1/17/2011 12:03:37 PM EDT
Aside from everyday stuff(Internet, Word), I play a lot of Arma 2 and FSX.

Intel Core I5 2500K

AMD Phenom II 1090T

Thanks,
AD
Link Posted: 1/17/2011 12:06:30 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/17/2011 12:08:11 PM EDT by flcroc]
IBTM

In Before the Macs

ETA: I'm not sure how the quad-core vs. six-core would differ. Either would be suitable I believe.
Link Posted: 1/17/2011 12:08:35 PM EDT
Originally Posted ByTigerDirect.com:
Note: 2nd generation Intel® Core™ i5 processors are not compatible with Socket H (LGA1156).


WAT?

Link Posted: 1/17/2011 12:08:48 PM EDT
If it were me I would wait for Intel's new processors to come out this year.

Sometime near Spring/Mid-Spring
Look up "Sandy Bridge"

Link Posted: 1/17/2011 12:09:29 PM EDT
Link Posted: 1/17/2011 12:10:25 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/17/2011 12:12:20 PM EDT by InfiniteGrim]
I would take a first gen i5 over the AMD, so definetly get the second gen i5

The i5 i7 series is amazing compared to AMD ATM. Plus the i5 has built in graphics so you do not need a GPU
Link Posted: 1/17/2011 12:10:43 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Heathmeister:
If it were me I would wait for Intel's new processors to come out this year.

Sometime near Spring/Mid-Spring
Look up "Sandy Bridge"



I'm pretty sure that is a SandyBridge CPU. And I'm not a Mac guy.
Link Posted: 1/17/2011 12:15:44 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/17/2011 12:16:45 PM EDT by AgentDavis]
Originally Posted By InfiniteGrim:
I would take a first gen i5 over the AMD, so definetly get the second gen i5

The i5 i7 series is amazing compared to AMD ATM. Plus the i5 has built in graphics so you do not need a GPU


According to this Site The only I5s that beats out the 1090T are the SB CPUs.

ETA: As I mentioned in my OP, I'm playing some CPU/GPU intensive games.
Link Posted: 1/17/2011 12:15:57 PM EDT
sandybridge should be out now..

and always go with intel never AMD..
Link Posted: 1/17/2011 12:17:03 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Heathmeister:
If it were me I would wait for Intel's new processors to come out this year.

Sometime near Spring/Mid-Spring
Look up "Sandy Bridge"


The 2500k is a Sandy Bridge

Link Posted: 1/17/2011 12:17:19 PM EDT
Originally Posted By AgentDavis:
Originally Posted By Heathmeister:
If it were me I would wait for Intel's new processors to come out this year.

Sometime near Spring/Mid-Spring
Look up "Sandy Bridge"



I'm pretty sure that is a SandyBridge CPU. And I'm not a Mac guy.


Sandy Bridge is the codename for the next gen Core processors from Intel.
They are suppose to trump any of the iCore processors.

They are PC CPUs
Link Posted: 1/17/2011 12:18:10 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/17/2011 12:22:38 PM EDT by AgentDavis]
Originally Posted By Fat_McNasty:
sandybridge should be out now..

and always go with intel never AMD..


I've used AMD for several years now, never had a problem. Can I get a reason with something to back it up for why I should always get Intel over AMD?

ETA: To Heath: The I5 2500K IS a SandyBridge processor.

ETA2: Wiki article on Sandy Bridge
Link Posted: 1/17/2011 12:20:52 PM EDT
The Micro Center in Columbus, OH is selling the i5-2500K for $179.99 which is $50.00 less than that Tiger Direct ad. If you have a Micro Center near you, you may want to check them out for your processor.
Link Posted: 1/17/2011 12:24:08 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Heathmeister:
Originally Posted By AgentDavis:
Originally Posted By Heathmeister:
If it were me I would wait for Intel's new processors to come out this year.

Sometime near Spring/Mid-Spring
Look up "Sandy Bridge"



I'm pretty sure that is a SandyBridge CPU. And I'm not a Mac guy.


Sandy Bridge is the codename for the next gen Core processors from Intel.
They are suppose to trump any of the iCore processors.

They are PC CPUs


Link Posted: 1/17/2011 12:24:18 PM EDT
Originally Posted By AgentDavis:
Originally Posted By Fat_McNasty:
sandybridge should be out now..

and always go with intel never AMD..


I've used AMD for several years now, never had a problem. Can I get a reason with something to back it up for why I should always get Intel over AMD?

ETA: To Heath: The I5 2500K IS a SandyBridge processor.

ETA2: Wiki article on Sandy Bridge


better motherboard chipset on the intel platform..

and you can install OSX if you wish..
Link Posted: 1/17/2011 12:25:40 PM EDT
http://www.anandtech.com/show/4083/the-sandy-bridge-review-intel-core-i7-2600k-i5-2500k-core-i3-2100-tested

Go i5. Most stuff nowadays is not even optimized for even 4cores.

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Link Posted: 1/17/2011 12:25:51 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Cnacki77:
The Micro Center in Columbus, OH is selling the i5-2500K for $179.99 which is $50.00 less than that Tiger Direct ad. If you have a Micro Center near you, you may want to check them out for your processor.


Thanks! I missed that! That tips the scale heavily in favor of the I5. Unless someone can come up with some HUGELY compelling reason to go AMD, I'm gonna get the I5.
Link Posted: 1/17/2011 12:27:08 PM EDT
Link Posted: 1/17/2011 12:27:58 PM EDT
I have an alienware M11X with an i5 and it laughs off any game I try.
Link Posted: 1/17/2011 12:28:10 PM EDT
I would go with the Mac Pro dual Quad core Xeons and 32GB ram.
Link Posted: 1/17/2011 12:28:12 PM EDT
Originally Posted By AgentDavis:
Originally Posted By Cnacki77:
The Micro Center in Columbus, OH is selling the i5-2500K for $179.99 which is $50.00 less than that Tiger Direct ad. If you have a Micro Center near you, you may want to check them out for your processor.


Thanks! I missed that! That tips the scale heavily in favor of the I5. Unless someone can come up with some HUGELY compelling reason to go AMD, I'm gonna get the I5.


If you're gaming, spend a bit more and get the i7 2600k. People have been hitting 5GHz on air cooling with a good HSF.
Link Posted: 1/17/2011 12:28:16 PM EDT
Originally Posted By AgentDavis:
Originally Posted By Fat_McNasty:
sandybridge should be out now..

and always go with intel never AMD..


I've used AMD for several years now, never had a problem. Can I get a reason with something to back it up for why I should always get Intel over AMD?

ETA: To Heath: The I5 2500K IS a SandyBridge processor.

ETA2: Wiki article on Sandy Bridge


My apologizes. Time flies it seems.
Oh well.... guess I need to pay closer attention to hardware.
Link Posted: 1/17/2011 12:31:03 PM EDT
Go with the 2600k.

With the new 2500k and 2600k you have to buy a new motherboard anyways LGA1155. It's $100 more and has more potential, especially if you overclock.

As far as the 1090T, it's 6 cores but still not quite as fast as the new Intels. It's mostly useful for imaging and rendering which are designed for more cores. Most games these days are still designed for 4 cores. They rely on quality more than quantity, especially when it comes to FSX.

I'm about to get a new rig too and I've got my eye on the 2600k, Asus P8P67 Pro motherboard and some DDR3 1600 RAM.

Link Posted: 1/17/2011 12:31:28 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Zhukov:

Originally Posted By AgentDavis:
Originally Posted By Cnacki77:
The Micro Center in Columbus, OH is selling the i5-2500K for $179.99 which is $50.00 less than that Tiger Direct ad. If you have a Micro Center near you, you may want to check them out for your processor.

Thanks! I missed that! That tips the scale heavily in favor of the I5. Unless someone can come up with some HUGELY compelling reason to go AMD, I'm gonna get the I5.

Why do you hate me so much?


Awwwww..... Poor Zhukov.....

Sorrry, But a $50 saving is too much to justify sticking it to Intel.

So, What about MoBos? I hear the P67 is the bees knees...
Link Posted: 1/17/2011 12:34:36 PM EDT

Originally Posted By AgentDavis:
Originally Posted By Zhukov:

Originally Posted By AgentDavis:
Originally Posted By Cnacki77:
The Micro Center in Columbus, OH is selling the i5-2500K for $179.99 which is $50.00 less than that Tiger Direct ad. If you have a Micro Center near you, you may want to check them out for your processor.

Thanks! I missed that! That tips the scale heavily in favor of the I5. Unless someone can come up with some HUGELY compelling reason to go AMD, I'm gonna get the I5.

Why do you hate me so much?


Awwwww..... Poor Zhukov.....

Sorrry, But a $50 saving is too much to justify sticking it to Intel.

So, What about MoBos? I hear the P67 is the bees knees...

After months of research and waiting I've settled on these for price and performance.

RAM http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820227572

CPU + MB http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.575880
Link Posted: 1/17/2011 12:36:43 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Heathmeister:
If it were me I would wait for Intel's new processors to come out this year.

Sometime near Spring/Mid-Spring
Look up "Sandy Bridge"



with that line of thinking he will never buy any computer parts. trust me i tried it once, there is always the latest and greatest around the corner.
Link Posted: 1/17/2011 12:36:57 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Martinus_Turonis:
I would go with the Mac Pro dual Quad core Xeons and 32GB ram.


You could buy a 10 year old daily driver car for the price of that setup.
Link Posted: 1/17/2011 12:39:23 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Zhukov:

Originally Posted By AgentDavis:
Originally Posted By Cnacki77:
The Micro Center in Columbus, OH is selling the i5-2500K for $179.99 which is $50.00 less than that Tiger Direct ad. If you have a Micro Center near you, you may want to check them out for your processor.

Thanks! I missed that! That tips the scale heavily in favor of the I5. Unless someone can come up with some HUGELY compelling reason to go AMD, I'm gonna get the I5.

Why do you hate me so much?


not you just your processors..

but ATI is doing pretty good thought!
Link Posted: 1/17/2011 12:39:44 PM EDT
Do you want to spend more or less money?
Link Posted: 1/17/2011 12:40:08 PM EDT
I'd lean towards the Intel although you should factor in a good video card for your build
Link Posted: 1/17/2011 12:42:38 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/17/2011 12:43:53 PM EDT by InfiniteGrim]
Originally Posted By AgentDavis:
Originally Posted By InfiniteGrim:
I would take a first gen i5 over the AMD, so definetly get the second gen i5

The i5 i7 series is amazing compared to AMD ATM. Plus the i5 has built in graphics so you do not need a GPU


According to this Site The only I5s that beats out the 1090T are the SB CPUs.

ETA: As I mentioned in my OP, I'm playing some CPU/GPU intensive games.


Thats because those types of benchmarks basically add another 500 to 1000 points for every extra core. Those bechmarks suck. If you look at benchmarks that measure the time it takes the CPU to do a certain task or how well it performs in games the intels generally win at the same clock speeds. The i5 will automatically overclock to 3.7Ghz.

EDIT: AMD cannot beat intels clock by clock at the sames speeds so they add more cores to make them look more appealing, but in reality no program will use 4 cores let alone 6.
Link Posted: 1/17/2011 12:43:56 PM EDT
AMD will give you better value, and better performance on the low budget side. Intel will give you better performance on the high end budget side.
Link Posted: 1/17/2011 12:48:10 PM EDT
Link Posted: 1/17/2011 12:49:19 PM EDT
Don't forget about SSD. HDD's are the bottleneck these days.

I've decided on this one, Crucial 64GB 355MB/sec (SATA 6Gb/s) Read, 75 Write.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820148357
Link Posted: 1/17/2011 12:50:13 PM EDT
I prefer the triple Lucifen Quad 612 giga meg tuggo logtin as a back-up for my Nano Monken DInky Dual bio strato ricktifier Pro management d-cup Fo 556 niner with the GSX I78 passive rectum X=Lunger Bios Metal-Rs 600k, with Topo-graphix webstinky Minion-5t as my primary Ecto-rack and pinion.

But thats just how I roll.
Link Posted: 1/17/2011 12:53:38 PM EDT
Id go either one in that case. Performance is probably going to be about the same.
Id guess that six cores use more power than four, thats the only real difference if you dont want to get down to the technical stuff.
Link Posted: 1/17/2011 12:53:46 PM EDT
Originally Posted By NAKED-GUNMAN:
I prefer the triple Lucifen Quad 612 giga meg tuggo logtin as a back-up for my Nano Monken DInky Dual bio strato ricktifier Pro management d-cup Fo 556 niner with the GSX I78 passive rectum X=Lunger Bios Metal-Rs 600k, with Topo-graphix webstinky Minion-5t as my primary Ecto-rack and pinion.

But thats just how I roll.


you know nothing about computers do you?
Link Posted: 1/17/2011 1:06:49 PM EDT
Originally Posted By stangboy555:
Don't forget about SSD. HDD's are the bottleneck these days.

I've decided on this one, Crucial 64GB 355MB/sec (SATA 6Gb/s) Read, 75 Write.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820148357


Only problem with SSD is that I can't afford enough storage space for all the FSX addons I use. I'm thinking about getting an SSD for my boot drive and ARMA 2, then using a RAID 0 with 2 7200 HDDs for all my fsx stuff.
Link Posted: 1/17/2011 1:06:54 PM EDT
If we're talking laptops I'd strive to get an icore proc.

Very fast, lots of cache and pretty good on battery consumption vs. similar AMD procs.

Link Posted: 1/17/2011 1:09:40 PM EDT
not even a close call, sandy bridge absolutely trounces everything available in terms of performance and value
$300 2600k overclocks to almost 5ghz on air, and comes within 10% or exceeds the benchmark scores of intel's OWN flagship $1000 processors.

Amd ain't got nothing on SB, outstanding value on a cpu that destroys anything amd has out, including their 6 core 1090t.
So you have to buy a new mobo, big deal, the price/performance justifies it.
Just make sure you get a "k" model, those are the ones that can overclock.
Link Posted: 1/17/2011 1:10:38 PM EDT
Originally Posted By DOUGHERTY03:
Originally Posted ByTigerDirect.com:
Note: 2nd generation Intel® Core™ i5 processors are not compatible with Socket H (LGA1156).


WAT?



New Socket, 1155.

LGA1366 is going to be replaced later this year with 2011.
Link Posted: 1/17/2011 1:11:08 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Fat_McNasty:
Originally Posted By NAKED-GUNMAN:
I prefer the triple Lucifen Quad 612 giga meg tuggo logtin as a back-up for my Nano Monken DInky Dual bio strato ricktifier Pro management d-cup Fo 556 niner with the GSX I78 passive rectum X=Lunger Bios Metal-Rs 600k, with Topo-graphix webstinky Minion-5t as my primary Ecto-rack and pinion.

But thats just how I roll.


you know nothing about computers do you?


You're quick today! I am just expressing what it feels like to us non-computer type of onlookers. It looks like total mayhem to me.
Link Posted: 1/17/2011 1:12:31 PM EDT
Originally Posted By kabal57:
not even a close call, sandy bridge absolutely trounces everything available in terms of performance and value
$300 2600k overclocks to almost 5ghz on air, and comes within 10% or exceeds the benchmark scores of intel's OWN flagship $1000 processors.

Amd ain't got nothing on SB, outstanding value on a cpu that destroys anything amd has out, including their 6 core 1090t.
So you have to buy a new mobo, big deal, the price/performance justifies it.
Just make sure you get a "k" model, those are the ones that can overclock.


Never O/Cd a CPU before, Do I need a special heatsink/fan or will the factory one do fine?
Link Posted: 1/17/2011 1:13:13 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/17/2011 1:14:55 PM EDT by Tekpc007]
I play Arma 2 daily , get 8 gigs of ram , a good CPU but the key is the video card. spend 350$ on a good nvidia card and you will be fine ,( oh and a SSD hard drive helps)
Link Posted: 1/17/2011 1:13:38 PM EDT
AMD has fucked me over every time I have "given them a chance".

I'm done with their unstable CPUs and Company.
Link Posted: 1/17/2011 1:14:10 PM EDT
Originally Posted By AgentDavis:
Originally Posted By kabal57:
not even a close call, sandy bridge absolutely trounces everything available in terms of performance and value
$300 2600k overclocks to almost 5ghz on air, and comes within 10% or exceeds the benchmark scores of intel's OWN flagship $1000 processors.

Amd ain't got nothing on SB, outstanding value on a cpu that destroys anything amd has out, including their 6 core 1090t.
So you have to buy a new mobo, big deal, the price/performance justifies it.
Just make sure you get a "k" model, those are the ones that can overclock.


Never O/Cd a CPU before, Do I need a special heatsink/fan or will the factory one do fine?


You can get a $30-40 article cooling fan that will do well. I had a Pro 64 one that took my one itel for 4.2Ghz
Link Posted: 1/17/2011 1:15:58 PM EDT
Originally Posted By offshorebear:
AMD will give you better value, and better performance on the low budget side. Intel will give you better performance on the high end budget side.


That's not really true anymore.
Amd's flagship 1090t is $229,
the i5 2500k is about the same price, $220 and it handily trounces the 6 core amd in just about every way possible.
for another $100 the 2600k is not even a contest.
the value has shifted back to the dark side lol
Link Posted: 1/17/2011 1:17:24 PM EDT
Whats the bus speed on the Intel?.................go AMD and never look back!!!
Link Posted: 1/17/2011 1:17:51 PM EDT
Originally Posted By AgentDavis:
Originally Posted By kabal57:
not even a close call, sandy bridge absolutely trounces everything available in terms of performance and value
$300 2600k overclocks to almost 5ghz on air, and comes within 10% or exceeds the benchmark scores of intel's OWN flagship $1000 processors.

Amd ain't got nothing on SB, outstanding value on a cpu that destroys anything amd has out, including their 6 core 1090t.
So you have to buy a new mobo, big deal, the price/performance justifies it.
Just make sure you get a "k" model, those are the ones that can overclock.


Never O/Cd a CPU before, Do I need a special heatsink/fan or will the factory one do fine?


you can use the stock heatsink, but 30 bux will get you an amazing air cooler, that is within 1-2 degrees of the $80 and $90 best of the best air heatsinks.
coolermaster hyper 212+
Link Posted: 1/17/2011 1:23:24 PM EDT
Toms Hardware had a great article explaining and testing the Sandy Bridge. If you are into PC gaming, then you might want to consider a different architecture.
Link Posted: 1/17/2011 1:23:34 PM EDT
ARMA 2 kicks my computers ass..

I wanted to upgrade my memory, but I have no more slots available and only have 2GB!

If I upgrade ram, I might as well buy a new mobo and processor as well..
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