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Posted: 7/10/2002 8:45:24 AM EDT
Inglewood, CA? Pisses me off every time I see the video. One small kid surrounded by half a dozen cops or more. His eye is red and blood shot from the punch that cop gave him. [:(!]
Link Posted: 7/10/2002 8:48:33 AM EDT
Oh, dude. You'll see the smoke from the stake all the way from Miami!
Link Posted: 7/10/2002 8:56:10 AM EDT
Only the steel inserts in his boots will remain.
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Link Posted: 7/10/2002 9:05:00 AM EDT
all this is going to do is teach the cops that if they are going to beat up on someone they should really make it count. from what i've been reading, he'd be in just as much trouble if he'd smashed the kids head off the hood a few times, blasted him in the face, body slammed him, then came off the front bumper with an ass hammer to really calm the kid down.
Link Posted: 7/10/2002 9:19:58 AM EDT
Just got word that the feds are getting into the act.
Link Posted: 7/10/2002 9:21:48 AM EDT
he should be sentenced to 15min. in tha' hood!
Link Posted: 7/10/2002 9:22:26 AM EDT
Feds, great, what are they going to do? Teach cops to just shoot people in the face with a M4 instead of just punching them?
Link Posted: 7/10/2002 9:31:17 AM EDT
Originally Posted By John91498: Just got word that the feds are getting into the act.
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I'd be a lot happier if the local cops got into the act when the Fed's did this stuff.
Link Posted: 7/10/2002 9:36:24 AM EDT
I wouldn't be surprised to see him burn. I mean, he's white and the sixteen year old developmentally disabled kid that he beat while handcuffed is black, the mayor of Inglewood is black, and the hundred or so people that marched into the mayor's office yesterday are black. No one wants a repeat of the LA riots. They learned their lesson there: give the people what they want or they'll burn the place down. No justice, no peace. Fair enough, right?
From the [url=www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-lopez10jul10.story]LA Times[/url]: Look, the truth is that most cops don't go around beating people up. The problem is that you can't find any cops who'll report the ones who do.
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Has any LEO on this board posted anything that indicates that he wouldn't tolerate this from his fellow officers? One of the LA County Sheriff's Deputies submitted his written report of the incident before the videotape was made public. There's a notable gap in the report:
From the [url=www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-inglewood10jul10.story]LA Times[/url]: In his report, Lopez does not say whether he or other officers questioned Jackson's ability to understand them. He also never mentions that Morse struck the boy.
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Never fear though: The Right Reverend Al Sharpton has said that he will be in Inglewood on Friday.
Link Posted: 7/10/2002 9:52:02 AM EDT
Can't go by me, I crossed the line when I talked to the approiate authorities about dirty cops, but the cop deserves the right to a trial and if guilty....prison....my buddy ran the cop unit in state prison, said they were the biggest assholes he ever had to deal with.
Link Posted: 7/10/2002 9:58:41 AM EDT
Link Posted: 7/10/2002 10:16:53 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 7/10/2002 12:16:34 PM EDT by bountyhunter]
Anyone who has worn a badge for a day or his whole carrier knows this guy is done,finished. And you can bet he knows it to. Law Enforcement is a job where you can't lose your temper, even if they spit in your face, puke , vomit ,piss or defecate in the back seat of your cruiser, or throw cups of piss on you in the cell blocks, it's what you get paid to do, right? You gave up your right to be a human being when you pinned on the badge.It's not right that they do all the above to you, but you've got to be professional and take it , just like a Judge would allow a guy to take a dump in his court room, or stand up and urinate in his direction in open court, no he would not get mad, and issue contempt of court citations or order the bailiff to remove the defendant, and order the defendant chained to his chair in the future. He would just adjourn to clean up the mess and proceed with the trial. I would wager that the poor kid did not do anything to get the cop to lose it, they just felt like beating citizens that day, must have been slow. Well the cop lost it and now he's finished, career over,law suits to follow, marriage will go(most likely) and I'm sure he will have a host of other problems also. I'm not fond of Police Abuse, but somehow I feel for the guy and I can't explain why.
Link Posted: 7/10/2002 10:19:23 AM EDT
So you can say you read it here first. First and foremost. My prediction for the cop (SCREW HIM!): 1.) He will lose his badge for life (Duh!) 2.) He [u]will not[/u] do jail time. (Unfortunately) 3.) He will pay a huge fine. (couldn't be big enough) 4.) He will move to a new town to avoid getting his ars kicked. 5.) Heavy drinking and wife beating in his future. 6.) He will probably end up doing porn movies opposite of John Wayne Bobbit. My prediction for the kid (SCREW HIM TOO!): 1.) He will sue the city for millions and walk away with a few hundred thousand (the ever caring lawyers get most of it). 2.) He and/or his family will blow the money in less than a year. 3.) Michael Jackson will propose marriage to the kid (publicity stunt) The marriage will end in divorce and the kid will take Never Never Ranch and BOBO the chimp in the settlement. 4.) He and/or his family will sell Never Never Ranch and BOBO the chimp and blow the money in less than a year. 5.) He will end up getting arrested for being a smart mouth again, to include another ars kicking (and the cycle continues).
Link Posted: 7/10/2002 10:22:49 AM EDT
Originally Posted By rn45: I'm guessing that the officer will lose his job and be prosecuted. And no, I wouldn't tolerate that kind of behavior from another officer. You can bet on one thing though. If the cop had been black and the kid white, you'd never have heard a word about it.
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You are probably right about that. [V]
Link Posted: 7/10/2002 10:25:09 AM EDT
The news channels states that he's only been on the job for three years. I wonder if he held another post as a cop and he got fired and Inglewood was the job he could get?
Link Posted: 7/10/2002 10:25:19 AM EDT
Originally Posted By rn45: I'm guessing that the officer will lose his job and be prosecuted. And no, I wouldn't tolerate that kind of behavior from another officer. You can bet on one thing though. If the cop had been black and the kid white, you'd never have heard a word about it.
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Don't agree with that last part. I think the public would be even more hostile if a black cop beat a white boy and it was on tape. All the soccer moms would be in an uproar thinking their child could be beat by a black man, he would probably get lynched where I'm from (Texas).
Link Posted: 7/10/2002 10:38:55 AM EDT
Interesting how lives can change so much with just one sucker punch.
Link Posted: 7/10/2002 10:43:31 AM EDT
Originally Posted By rn45:
Originally Posted By Hellraiser: Don't agree with that last part. I think the public would be even more hostile if a black cop beat a white boy and it was on tape. All the soccer moms would be in an uproar thinking their child could be beat by a black man, he would probably get lynched where I'm from (Texas).
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It would have never made the news here in Indiana. The editors would have quashed it.
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B-I-N-G-O....
Link Posted: 7/10/2002 10:51:37 AM EDT
"He should go to prison for a punch to the cheek?!!! How about execution for shoplifting?" Beekeeper, the punch was inappropriate. The suspect had already been subdued. Officers are not above the law. You can be that if you or I handcuffed some stranger and then punched him there is a good chance we would go to jail. Being an officer is a difficult job. If you are pissed at a suspect you have many ways of showing it. You can cuff him very tightly and handle him roughly, but a sucker punch is crossing the line...
Link Posted: 7/10/2002 10:53:05 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Gunner1X: Interesting how lives can change so much with just one sucker punch.
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Yep, a sucker punch made by a cop, hitting a kid who was already handcuffed, being backed up by 5 or 6 other cops, and in front of a video camera. [:(!]
Link Posted: 7/10/2002 10:54:13 AM EDT
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As for the kid: $$$ for the family and every politician/lawyer within 150 miles. (He's a minor. Won't get any money himself) He'll be dead by age 20, killed by his own family and buddies either through violence or overdose. As for the officer: He'll never hold any kind of job, ever again. He is now permanantly unemployable. He'll be repeatedly prosecuted, both by state and federal, until they get the conviction they want. My guess is 5 years federal time. If he has a family, he's no longer married and he'll probably lose parental rights. His family is in seclusion to avoid kidnapping, murder and death threats. Especially the children. He will have no property, no guns, no retirement, not much more than the clothes they send him to prison in. If he has bank loans, they are now all due. He will not be allowed to file bankruptcy. It's quite possible he'll suicide. I'll bet he's on a suicide watch right now. All for a Class "B" misdemeanor, a charge which has a maximum fine of $1,000 and 30 days in jail in this state. Most folks not police officers get 1 months probation or a fine under 200$. Deferred Adjudication is common. All the officers in the video, even the one's that tried to stop it, are getting death threats and will lose their careers. Their familes are in danger. The town will burn. Regardless of any court setlement or outcome, the place is toast. Momma needs a new TV. I'm sure this makes some of you very happy. If he hangs himself you'll be even happier.
Link Posted: 7/10/2002 11:10:38 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 7/10/2002 11:21:42 AM EDT by JU88]
Link Posted: 7/10/2002 11:15:17 AM EDT
12pm PDT. A federal lawsuit was filed in Federal Court. A man(i think it is al Sharpton) is giving the news conference calling for the presecution of all police officers present during the arrest. The cousin of the victim is saying that the suspects were not involved in a traffic stop, rather they were stopped at a gas station getting gas. Donovan Jackson was unconscious during the beating, and didn't wake up until he was in the deputy's patrol car.
Link Posted: 7/10/2002 11:17:55 AM EDT
Well, there's one part of my prediction
Link Posted: 7/10/2002 11:51:21 AM EDT
Looks like everybody is trying to get a piece of the action... [url]http://www.sacbee.com/24hour/nation/story/461287p-3690610c.html[/url]
Link Posted: 7/10/2002 12:38:16 PM EDT
Everybody who wrote in to this thread, who do you think becomes Peace Officers, it's young guys who want to help people, and have a feel good job. After awhile though , you get fed up with Hepatitis victims spitting on your face, aids victims spiting and bleeding on you, young 18 years olds who think there Bruce Lee trying to kick your ass, but wait , you got ten fifteen years in towards a not so bad pension , so what do you do, you try to do your best and tough it out. One day if your unlucky you "lose" it and your caught on video. So you pay there price, yes it's because a "normal" guy is held to a higher standard. Who among all who wrote in would go to the mall and spit in a 6'3 250 pounds guys face ??? But put a badge on him and you think you can do it with impunity, well sometime the officer can maintain, sometimes a officer will lose it and frankly beat the snot out of you, and unless you got video, your SOL. That's the real world. Again I don't support Police abuse, but again I feel some compassion for the Officer and his family,he did not make it the distance, and guys he will pay for what he did ,have no doubt of that.
Link Posted: 7/10/2002 12:46:33 PM EDT
A side note to all of this, the day I start caring about what Rev. Al Sharpton says or what Rev. Jessie Jackson says is the day I hope my wife puts me down, with a well placed shot to the head. (and she's a good shot)
Link Posted: 7/10/2002 12:53:38 PM EDT
He needs two weeks suspension with pay, and anger management classes.
Link Posted: 7/10/2002 1:05:15 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 7/10/2002 1:15:28 PM EDT by AR15fan]
From what I heard he has already been fired. Not suspended while they investigate, fired. So he will 1) either get his job back with back pay or 2) get a fat check from the city. Why? In California public service jobs are subject to simular due process rights as any real "property". I dont think anyone can argue that all the facts were known in less than 48Hrs. So he will get a scully hearing and be reinstated. Some random ramblings: I've seen the suspect described as a "kid" or "child" on several occasions. It appears he is technically a teenager. He is a fully developed young man, I would guess at least 5'10" 180 from the video. Calling him a Kid or Child is inflamitory rhetoric. Assualt under color of authority is more serious than simple assualt. That is why this cop is in more trouble than you were last time you sucker punched some guy at the bar. It's naive to say there are gaps in the report. Reports dont include every little detail from the time the crime occured until you book in jail. If so they would all be as long as the tax code. "I located the suspect and took him into custody". That's all I write even if I have to club the guy half to death with my mag light: "I took him into custody". The forced used to take him into custody is irrelevant unless its part of your PC for a CPC148 arrest.
Link Posted: 7/10/2002 1:13:48 PM EDT
Originally Posted By JU88: Are the LEOs on this board so dense that they do not believe that they should be held to a higher standard than the average citizen regarding actions they take on and off duty.
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No, to the dense question. Yes, to the higher standard. Then again when was the last time a cop getting beat up or killed made national news? But the same standard of innocent until PROVEN guilty need also apply.
Link Posted: 7/10/2002 1:16:03 PM EDT
anyone got a link to the video online?
Link Posted: 7/10/2002 1:44:17 PM EDT
Originally Posted By AR15fan: From what I heard he has already been fired. Not suspended while they investigate, fired.
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According to the LA Times articles that I linked to on the first page of this thread, he's been suspended. With pay.
I've seen the suspect described as a "kid" or "child" on several occasions. It appears he is technically a teenager. He is a fully developed young man, I would guess at least 5'10" 180 from the video. Calling him a Kid or Child is inflamitory rhetoric.
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If he's 180 pounds, I'd be damned surprised. Officer Morse didn't seem to have any trouble at all lifting the young man to nearly head height before he slammed him down facefirst on the hood.
Assualt under color of authority is more serious than simple assualt.
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As it should be, right?
That is why this cop is in more trouble than you were last time you sucker punched some guy at the bar.
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So after all the complaining about [b]all[/b] cops being smeared for the actions of the few, you're smearing all of us because you saw answered a call of someone sucker punching someone in a bar? It's laughable.
It's naive to say there are gaps in the report. Reports dont include every little detail from the time the crime occured until you book in jail. If so they would all be as long as the tax code. "I located the suspect and took him into custody". That's all I write even if I have to club the guy half to death with my mag light: "I took him into custody". The forced used to take him into custody is irrelevant unless its part of your PC for a CPC148 arrest.
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What is the proper method for an officer from one department (LASD) to report suspected abuse on the part of an officer of another department (IPD)? Is that what Deputy Lopez should have done?
Link Posted: 7/10/2002 1:44:34 PM EDT
[img]http://news.bbc.co.uk/media/images/38125000/jpg/_38125607_abugaith300ap.jpg[/img] Leeesten, boys, I vanna tell you something. Eeffa that boy show'a some [i]respect[/i] to the officer, then he'a no a beat up him-a. ok. Now when you-a piss off'a the officer, then hes'a gonna get a mad... an'a when he gets mad... Then boys, you got some trouble.... You see'a we live in'a society that sues everybody for everything, an no body has any respect for anybody. No respect. Look a me, Im'a 14 years in'a da taliban and Im'a just a little guy, why dat rat Osama, he gets all da fame. See what I mean? No respect.
Link Posted: 7/10/2002 1:53:39 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Jarhead_22: So after all the complaining about [b]all[/b] cops being smeared for the actions of the few, you're smearing all of us because you saw answered a call of someone sucker punching someone in a bar? It's laughable.
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What is laughable is your lack of reading comprehension. Show me where I was "complaining about all cops being smeared for the actions of the few". Show me where I'm "smearing" anyone. I think you are attributing comments to me that I never made. All I did would pointed out a fact of law: Assault under color of authority is a more serious crime than simple assault. I attached no opinion or emotion to the issue, it's a simple statement of fact. How you read so much into it is beyond me... -Edited because my spelling is laughable.
Link Posted: 7/10/2002 2:03:52 PM EDT
they should give police caught doing illegal acts, brutality, ect, the death sentence, those cops swore an oath!
Link Posted: 7/10/2002 2:06:43 PM EDT
Originally Posted By AR15fan:
Originally Posted By Jarhead_22: So after all the complaining about [b]all[/b] cops being smeared for the actions of the few, you're smearing all of us because you saw answered a call of someone sucker punching someone in a bar? It's laughable.
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What is laughable is your lack of reading comprehension. Show me where I was "complaining about all cops being smeared for the actions of the few". Show me where I'm "smearing" anyone. I think you are attributing comments to me that I never made. All I did would pointed out a fact of law: Assault under color of authority is a more serious crime than simple assault. I attached no opinion or emotion to the issue, it's a simple statement of fact. How you read so much into it is beyond me... -Edited because my spelling is laughable.
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If you'll re-read my original statement with a little more discerning eye, you'll see that I referred to "all [b]the[/b] complaining" not "all [b]your[/b] complaining." The general body of opinion expressed by most (of the very few) LEOs on here who have replied to threads regarding this incident in Inglewood and the one in which an FBI agent shot an innocent man in the face with an M4 seems to be that they resent being smeared by we non-LEOs for the actions of that minority of LEOs who dishonor themselves and their profession. That general expression of opinion is what I referred to as "all the complaining," not anything that you yourself said. The "smear" I referred to was this:
That is why this cop is in more trouble than you were last time you sucker punched some guy at the bar.
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You assume we've sucker punched someone in a bar just like you wouldn't like us assuming that you've beat a prisoner in handcuffs. You used the pronoun "you" rather than a more general term like "people," or "some folks."
Link Posted: 7/10/2002 2:10:51 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 7/10/2002 2:56:20 PM EDT
Wait a minute, can we say the officer was temporary insane when he did what he did, works for the scum bags why not a officer.
Link Posted: 7/10/2002 4:34:17 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 7/10/2002 5:21:08 PM EDT
Are the LEOs on this board so dense that they do not believe that they should be held to a higher standard than the average citizen regarding actions they take on and off duty.
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That's right, even off duty the news will read "LEO, Officer etc, caught,,,bla bla bla...." Not mr. joe citizen... Hmmm, now this doesn't create a "us and them" attitude now does it. How many of you guys heard about the Binghamton, NY Deputy who was shot (numerous times) and then run over with the stolen truck before having his own gun stolen. The perp had just robbed a gun store BTW, made off with 22 firearms. We loose fellow officers at alarming rates. Almost 1 every other day. KILLED ON DUTY... The media doesn't care about that though. [v]
Link Posted: 7/10/2002 5:25:40 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By avengeusa: they should give police caught doing illegal acts, brutality, ect, the death sentence, those cops swore an oath!
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Obviously needs to be better examples, because alot of people swear oaths and f*** up. Our last leader did it on national TV and NOTHING HAPPENED! Death sentence huh? [whacko]
Link Posted: 7/10/2002 5:34:30 PM EDT
Link Posted: 7/10/2002 5:35:13 PM EDT
No, No, No, My community ALLOWS me to serve. They have a hiring process, supervision, training standards, performance standards etc. They also expect ability, honesty, accuracy, integrity, initiative, and good judement from their officers. In return for being ALLOWED to serve, and wanting to serve, I may be placed into circumstnaces that place me at risk, physically legally, or mentally. In return for meeting their standards, I don't think it is to much to expect their support, if I am doing the job like I was trained to do so. Saying that I think that Morse or any officer involved in a controversial incident should get fully investigated, in a fair thorough way. Making a snap decision about this case short circuits JUSTICE just as soon as it does in every other case when the mob makes a decision w/o a full investigation. Why does the Atlanta Olympic Park bombing come to mind???????
Link Posted: 7/11/2002 9:49:35 AM EDT
I'm a cop and can't think of any instance when I would sucker punch someone that was handcuffed and surrounded...
Link Posted: 7/11/2002 10:03:43 AM EDT
...and no one has mentioned that perhaps the cop was just trying to qualify to join the BATF? [:P]
Link Posted: 7/11/2002 10:28:51 AM EDT
Originally Posted By LE6920:
Are the LEOs on this board so dense that they do not believe that they should be held to a higher standard than the average citizen regarding actions they take on and off duty.
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That's right, even off duty the news will read "LEO, Officer etc, caught,,,bla bla bla...." Not mr. joe citizen... Hmmm, now this doesn't create a "us and them" attitude now does it. How many of you guys heard about the Binghamton, NY Deputy who was shot (numerous times) and then run over with the stolen truck before having his own gun stolen. The perp had just robbed a gun store BTW, made off with 22 firearms. We loose fellow officers at alarming rates. Almost 1 every other day. KILLED ON DUTY... The media doesn't care about that though. [v]
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I'm not a LEO, but I have a hell of a lot of respect for you guys. Too many people here seem to be painting LEOs with a broad brush that is very undeserved. The overwhelming majority of LEOs put their lives on the line every day and put up with more shit than any of else would be able to handle, and unfortunately get very little respect or recognition for it. This Inglewood officer did something stupid but his life should not be ruined over it. I don't know more than what I have seen on the videotape, but I think it is unfair to characterize him as a bad cop without having all the facts in. He could be an exemplary cop who just snapped. A lot of officers keep their jobs over much worse things than having thrown a sucker punch. Because of the circumstances however this guy is going to be persecuted and his life made a living hell. I am not trying to condone his actions, but I think he will probably get a lot worse than what he deserves. I think it is also dangerous to say that we should hold cops to a higher standard over everything. It's true that some of them may break their oath, but like others have pointed out, do you want to be prosecuted more severely than others if you break an oath or a promise? Cops are not supermen that are completely infallible, they are just normal men and women who in most cases are seeking to do good in their community. Unfortunately, the rewards for them are few and far between whereas the pitfalls are far too common.
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