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Posted: 8/31/2005 3:29:58 PM EDT
Under $400.00. I prefer .308 but .270 would be alright. Get this, the company I work for is buying it for me. How cool is that?
Link Posted: 8/31/2005 3:31:04 PM EDT
What are you hunting?
Link Posted: 8/31/2005 3:31:36 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/31/2005 3:31:51 PM EDT by 1IV]
Academy has a Howa for $338, in a synthetic stock chambered for .308. GGGGGgrreat rifle.
Link Posted: 8/31/2005 3:36:44 PM EDT

Originally Posted By afman91201:
What are you hunting?



White tail in UP of MI
Link Posted: 8/31/2005 3:41:46 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/31/2005 3:42:39 PM EDT by a320az]

Originally Posted By BlackDog714:

How about a lighter topic...



Ok,

Link Posted: 8/31/2005 8:16:38 PM EDT

Originally Posted By a320az:

Originally Posted By BlackDog714:

How about a lighter topic...



Ok,

www.photocomasia.com/ProdPicHR/Lighter.jpg



Funny guy
Link Posted: 8/31/2005 8:19:57 PM EDT

Originally Posted By BlackDog714:
Under $400.00. I prefer .308 but .270 would be alright. Get this, the company I work for is buying it for me. How cool is that?



www.impactguns.com/store/savage_le.html
Link Posted: 8/31/2005 8:23:34 PM EDT
I'm thinking seriously about the Savage 110. $350 bucks at China-mart here with Simmons scope. It's no sniper rifle/scope combo, but it will be more than adequate for the job at hand. The only thing keeping me from one now is the fact that the only one local is a .30-06, and I'm thinking about the .300
Link Posted: 8/31/2005 8:24:41 PM EDT
Savage with an Accu-trigger.
Link Posted: 8/31/2005 8:25:44 PM EDT
Savage makes the best rifle for the money, and the link I posted has the adjustable trigger. I will be picking up one of those bad boys in the future.
Link Posted: 8/31/2005 8:27:31 PM EDT
Savage. Enough said.
Link Posted: 8/31/2005 8:28:28 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/31/2005 8:31:08 PM EDT by pattymcn]
I'd buy a 270 or a 280. Patty
*ETA* vanilla_gorilla I love your sig line!
Link Posted: 8/31/2005 8:37:37 PM EDT
Look for a Savage. www.savagearms.com/11f.htm
Link Posted: 8/31/2005 8:37:48 PM EDT

Originally Posted By pattymcn:
I'd buy a 270 or a 280. Patty
*ETA* vanilla_gorilla I love your sig line!



Why 270 over 308?
Link Posted: 8/31/2005 8:42:28 PM EDT
Swiss K31, 7.5x55mm, straight-pull, the rifle and a decent stockpile of ammo for hunting season costs about $200. Quite sufficient for deer, and reportedly a very accurate firearm.

Mosin-Nagant, 7.62x54mmR. Dirt cheap, rugged, reliable, and good enough for a deer.

I dunno what a Remington 700 costs these days, but I'm pretty sure you can get them in just about any caliber you care to mention.
Link Posted: 8/31/2005 8:43:05 PM EDT
Browning BLR
Link Posted: 8/31/2005 8:49:54 PM EDT
You can get a lightly used Rem 700 ADL/BDL or Savage in .270 and maybe have enough left over for a decent scope if you watch the EE. Most of the .308s are going to be PSS or other police/mil type models, and while you might not care, I don't like hauling a heavy target rifle through the bush.
Link Posted: 8/31/2005 8:58:06 PM EDT
You might want to consider ponying up the extra money for a lightweight, pretty Kimber 84. They're not accurate, but they sure do cost a lot.

They're also very hard to find. That should appeal to something.
Link Posted: 8/31/2005 9:00:56 PM EDT
For deer I would get something smaller and lighter, personally.

Like a .243 win, or a .25-06.

I love my winchester model 70 in .243, which I use as my deer rifle (only mulies around here). Get some good 95gr barnes-x loads for it, and you are set.
Link Posted: 8/31/2005 9:02:10 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/31/2005 9:03:29 PM EDT by Burley]
Savage or Remington ADL (or equivalent)

ETA: I just love how people read the first line or two of a topic and then just post away. Sometimes I wonder if they even read the question.
Link Posted: 8/31/2005 9:02:59 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Fast_Jimmy:
You might want to consider ponying up the extra money for a lightweight, pretty Kimber 84. They're not accurate, but they sure do cost a lot.

They're also very hard to find. That should appeal to something.


LOL you sound like a gun counter monkey at Scheels
Link Posted: 8/31/2005 9:05:58 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/31/2005 9:08:39 PM EDT by pattymcn]

Originally Posted By BlackDog714:

Originally Posted By pattymcn:
I'd buy a 270 or a 280. Patty
*ETA* vanilla_gorilla I love your sig line!



Why 270 over 308?



a .308 is a good caliber and obviously very effective but let's face it they kick like mules.

Patty

*ETA* I should point out too that the 270 is much more accurate up to 300 yards.
Link Posted: 8/31/2005 9:22:22 PM EDT

Originally Posted By pattymcn:

a .308 is a good caliber and obviously very effective but let's face it they kick like mules.




Kick Like mules?? My god woman! the .308 is a kids or womans gun...

Get something in a .375 H&H You can hunt anything in the world with it. I know is not Uber tactial like the .308. But its not a girly man gun either.
Link Posted: 8/31/2005 9:24:24 PM EDT

Originally Posted By www-glock19-com:

Originally Posted By Fast_Jimmy:
You might want to consider ponying up the extra money for a lightweight, pretty Kimber 84. They're not accurate, but they sure do cost a lot.

They're also very hard to find. That should appeal to something.


LOL you sound like a gun counter monkey at Scheels



LOL. I'd wager no one who responds to this thread has actually SEEN a Kimber 84 stocked in any caliber in any gun store. Prove me wrong!!
Link Posted: 8/31/2005 9:24:26 PM EDT
there is a guy on gunboards.com that has a rem 700 adl in 7mm mag for $275 shipped.
Link Posted: 8/31/2005 9:28:02 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Fat_McNasty:

Originally Posted By pattymcn:

a .308 is a good caliber and obviously very effective but let's face it they kick like mules.




Kick Like mules?? My god woman! the .308 is a kids or womans gun...

Get something in a .375 H&H You can hunt anything in the world with it. I know is not Uber tactial like the .308. But its not a girly man gun either.



Hey I would much rather shoot my .340 Weatherby than the hubby's 308. A 308 is a better caliber for white tail though than the .340 and more affordable. What can I say? I use my AR for our Mule Deer.

Patty
Link Posted: 8/31/2005 9:29:31 PM EDT
I would suggest either a Rem 700Adl or your savage. But being the .284 fan that I am for the short action a 7mm08 and your long action a 280. Both are excellent rounds, not that what you are looking at isnt, but just my .02
Link Posted: 9/1/2005 6:36:05 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/1/2005 6:37:55 AM EDT by txgp17]

Originally Posted By pattymcn:
a .308 is a good caliber and obviously very effective but let's face it they kick like mules.

Patty

*ETA* I should point out too that the 270 is much more accurate up to 300 yards.


I (respectfully) disagree with you on that one Patty.
Granted "kick" is a relative term, and one guy (or gal) might compare the recoil of a heavy .340 rifle to that of a light .308 rifle, and the 308 will "seem" to kick more everytime. The .308 family of cartridges (7mm-08 Remington, .243 Winchester, 358 Winchester) are some the of most efficient ever designed.

The .308 can fire the same bullet a .30-06 does at the same speed with only 75% of the powder charge a .30-06 uses. That's comparing a 165 gr bullet at about 2,800 fps; the 30-06 needs about 60 grains of powder while the 308 needs only about 45. The result is less powder (thus less pressure and force) pushing back against the shooter after the bullet leaves the muzzle. This principal holds true comparing the whole 308 family with other cartridges of the same caliber.
Link Posted: 9/1/2005 6:42:17 AM EDT
Remington ADL or BDL in .270. I have lost count how many mine has taken.
Link Posted: 9/1/2005 7:15:12 AM EDT
I had a Kimber 84 that cost me over $800 bucks cause it was pretty. It was a fucking tomato stake on the range. 2-3MOA, sometimes much worse. I bought new scope mounts, a new Leupold for it (thinking I had a severe parallax problem), I had it re-bed by a gunsmith. Nothing worked, and in frustration I sold it.

It has been said a poor shooting 7mm-08 is a rare beast. I had one, and it bit me ON THE ASS.

To be fair I had a sample of one. I sure hope not all of their rifles are as challenging as mine was. I have been asked why I didn't just send it back to the factory. The answer was it was a goddamn lemon and I don't care if it came back gold plated. I wouldn't have ever trusted it again.

Oh, one more small bitter point. The bastard wouldn't feed rounds well.

I replaced it with a Remington 700 .30-06 out of their custom shop. It shoots well.


Link Posted: 9/1/2005 7:28:12 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/1/2005 7:28:54 AM EDT by glock23carry]

Originally Posted By VTHOKIESHOOTER:
Remington ADL or BDL in .270. I have lost count how many mine has taken.



+1

Relatively inexpensive, accurate, strong and a huge aftermarket for parts and mods. Also, 30-06 and 270 Win will be on every rural hardware store's shelf every time.

You won't find 308, 375 or other calibers as easily at 5 am in the boonies. Lastly, UP deer are big, so the extra power of the full-length case round is nice to have.

ETA - ADLs at WalMart are cheap too. Usually a package with an adequate scope.

G
Link Posted: 9/1/2005 7:31:36 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/1/2005 7:32:34 AM EDT by BlackDog714]
What about the Remmy 710?

Link Posted: 9/1/2005 7:55:45 AM EDT
Link Posted: 9/1/2005 8:15:15 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/1/2005 8:17:01 AM EDT by petagunner]

Originally Posted By Aimless:

Originally Posted By BlackDog714:
What about the Remmy 710?

www.remington.com/images/2001/710.jpg



The 710 was not one of Remington's better ideas unfortunately. The Remington 700 adl and bdl are much better rifles. A used Remington 700 would be a fine firearm.



If you are gonna talk "used" dont forget the 788. The "ugly" duckling, but I've never owned one that didnt shoot like a house on fire.
Link Posted: 9/1/2005 12:53:38 PM EDT

Originally Posted By petagunner:

If you are gonna talk "used" dont forget the 788. The "ugly" duckling, but I've never owned one that didnt shoot like a house on fire.



ok, what about the 788
Link Posted: 9/1/2005 1:39:21 PM EDT

Originally Posted By BlackDog714:

Originally Posted By petagunner:

If you are gonna talk "used" dont forget the 788. The "ugly" duckling, but I've never owned one that didnt shoot like a house on fire.



ok, what about the 788



They are relativley inexpensive, tons of them out there in very common calibers that you are asking about (short action) and I've never had one that with a very small amount of work did not shoot over 1moa. Very reliable, very accurate. Just a great little "inexpensive" no frills gun. My gunsmith has used 788 actions to build a few of his "bench" guns. The only drawback is if you want to buy a spare magazine for them, but should not have much trouble at gun shows and such.

I've owned them in 2 or 3 different 223, 1 22-250, 1 243, 2 7mm-08 (shoulda never sold em)and 1 308.

Just my .02 if its even worth it.
Link Posted: 9/1/2005 2:15:08 PM EDT

I've never had one that with a very small amount of work did not shoot over 1moa.


Wow, what kind of modifications did you do to make your +1 MOA super rifle?

G
Link Posted: 9/1/2005 2:54:35 PM EDT

Originally Posted By txgp17:

Originally Posted By pattymcn:
a .308 is a good caliber and obviously very effective but let's face it they kick like mules.

Patty

*ETA* I should point out too that the 270 is much more accurate up to 300 yards.


I (respectfully) disagree with you on that one Patty.
Granted "kick" is a relative term, and one guy (or gal) might compare the recoil of a heavy .340 rifle to that of a light .308 rifle, and the 308 will "seem" to kick more everytime. The .308 family of cartridges (7mm-08 Remington, .243 Winchester, 358 Winchester) are some the of most efficient ever designed.

The .308 can fire the same bullet a .30-06 does at the same speed with only 75% of the powder charge a .30-06 uses. That's comparing a 165 gr bullet at about 2,800 fps; the 30-06 needs about 60 grains of powder while the 308 needs only about 45. The result is less powder (thus less pressure and force) pushing back against the shooter after the bullet leaves the muzzle. This principal holds true comparing the whole 308 family with other cartridges of the same caliber.



All I'm going to say is that after going through a couple boxes of .45-70, .30-06 feels like a fricking .22lr.

I generally hunt with a .30-30, sometimes a .30-06. My dad's been hunting with the .30-06 ever since the stock on his .264 Winchester Magnum broke.
Link Posted: 9/1/2005 3:08:13 PM EDT

Originally Posted By glock23carry:

I've never had one that with a very small amount of work did not shoot over 1moa.


Wow, what kind of modifications did you do to make your +1 MOA super rifle?

G



Ok smartass, you know what I meant. If you really think, or try reading it again you would have seen that they would not shoot over 1moa, meaning UNDER.

WITH A LITTLE WORK THEY ALL SHOT UNDER 1MOA.


Hows that?
Link Posted: 9/1/2005 3:21:16 PM EDT
My vote goes for a Ruger M77 stainless synthetic in .308 if your going to be hunting fields.
If your hunting woods/brush then I'd go with a Marlin in 30-30 or a Ruger 77/44 in 44mag.
Link Posted: 9/1/2005 3:27:00 PM EDT
.308,30-06 and lots of other calibers work well for whitetail. I would avoid the 710 as it seems like it was built cheap. The savage seems to be a better gun, with smoother action. A used 700 rem. or win. model 70 would be good too. Ya hunting brush in the UP , or in IN too? Consider the overall application before selecting a gun.
Link Posted: 9/1/2005 6:16:00 PM EDT
+1 on 788 rifles being very accurate, caution they recalled them for discharging when the safety lever was moved! Check w/ rem if you find one and make sure they updated it.

Can't find .308 in a country store during hunting season? I find that hard to believe, .30-06, .30-30 , .270, .308 and 7mm Mag are the easiest to find in nowheresville. (and probably in that order of likelihood too)

I don't find the .308s to kick either. Maybe in a carbine but even then it's more increased noise as much as kick.
Link Posted: 9/1/2005 6:19:43 PM EDT
I like my Savage Model 99.

All the great features of a lever action carbine but chambered .308win.
Link Posted: 9/1/2005 6:20:55 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/1/2005 6:21:10 PM EDT by afman91201]
I had a model 70 in .270 and I liked it. Ironically enough I traded it for an AR. If I started hunting again though I would buy another.
Link Posted: 9/1/2005 7:10:18 PM EDT


a very good and low-cost ($100.00) deer rifle. I've found that the 8mm mauser kick is a little milder than a 30-06 (to me at least, anyway) and will drop any white-tail deer out there.

more info.
Link Posted: 9/2/2005 4:28:59 AM EDT
Just wanted to add that I'd steer away from the Winchester Black shadow rifles that Wally world used to (or still does) sell. IME, they are bad juju. Mass produced, no attention to detail, get em' out the door fast rifles.
Link Posted: 9/2/2005 5:04:53 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Slacker:
Just wanted to add that I'd steer away from the Winchester Black shadow rifles that Wally world used to (or still does) sell. IME, they are bad juju. Mass produced, no attention to detail, get em' out the door fast rifles.



OK, now thats funny. I was at wally world last night looking at a close out Shadow in 7mm WSM. Ok I'm no dummy. I'll stay away
Link Posted: 9/2/2005 7:58:55 AM EDT

Originally Posted By BlackDog714:

Originally Posted By Slacker:
Just wanted to add that I'd steer away from the Winchester Black shadow rifles that Wally world used to (or still does) sell. IME, they are bad juju. Mass produced, no attention to detail, get em' out the door fast rifles.



OK, now thats funny. I was at wally world last night looking at a close out Shadow in 7mm WSM. Ok I'm no dummy. I'll stay away



Well, if you want one here's hwo you do it. Get your waders on...head south......aw nevermind.


If you do buy one of those, shitcan the stock right away. Other than that, the action and barell are the same as the old push feed M70.
Link Posted: 9/2/2005 8:38:20 AM EDT
Local WalMart is still selling the last of their ADL's for ~$370. I think a better deal is the Savage rifle/scope combo for ~$350. The scope is junk, but you can replace that later if you like.

FYI, ADL's are going away. Being replaced by the SPS. It's just a spiffed up ADL. Nicer stock, hinged floorplate, no J-lock. The one I saw at a local shop was $415.
Link Posted: 9/2/2005 12:18:13 PM EDT

Originally Posted By JimTh:
no J-lock.



Huh? Whats that?
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