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Posted: 5/17/2002 4:34:05 AM EDT
I've noted that a lot of members sign on the Board without any reference to the State they're from in their profile.

Is this because as a highly mobile society we no longer have any attachment to the State in which we were born, where our family lives, or in which we grew up?

Or are folks just worried that the Alphabet Soup Groups will more easily find them if they post the State in which they live? (Yeah, right!)

I'm wondering, because being a Texan has always been important to me. It's always seemed important to the people around me.

Maybe it was that dreadful War Between The States that colored our thinking in this regard. But even prior to that, one's State was the be all, end all, of one's identity.

So what do you think? Is the State in which you consider yourself a native important to you, or does it just mean a different colored drivers license?

Eric The(AndNoClass3!)Hun[>]:)]
Link Posted: 5/17/2002 4:40:21 AM EDT
well, it's important to me to NOT be from kalifornia!
Link Posted: 5/17/2002 4:41:56 AM EDT
Has no bearing for me either way.  I'm nearly 23 years old, and I've lived in Colorado, Kentucky, California, Louisiana, Alabama (5 different places), and Georgia (3 different places).  Not to mention overseas in Germany.  Some places for only a month, some places for 3 years or more.

"Community" is not a binding element in my life.  Eventually, I'll get to the point in my life where I will settle down.  Then, I might develop a sense of belonging for where I live.  Until that time, though, my viewpoint is that no place is permanent.

Link Posted: 5/17/2002 4:43:41 AM EDT
Eric, I changed my profile to just 'USA' when I made the decision to leave the stinkhole commonly known as Florida... when I arrive in northern Michigan 01 June I'll proudly display 'MI'... home at last... [bounce]

Link Posted: 5/17/2002 4:44:09 AM EDT
Hell no, can't wait to leave this liberal cesspool.

Born in Michigan.

Moved to Oregon.

Moved to Maryland.

Escaping to Pennsylvania next week.
Link Posted: 5/17/2002 4:46:08 AM EDT
More loyal to TX, where I lived from '86 until 2000, than to the PRK, where I grew up & currently live.

Will be, in a month, more loyal to Idaho, where I'm moving.  Thank God!

Link Posted: 5/17/2002 4:46:50 AM EDT
I'm likin' South Carolina pretty good (tho I'm a newbie here  - ex-patriated New Englander, really)

Ya see, in SC, even a Democrat gov will legalize Class 3 (happened this year)

Which is NOT to say I'm not hopin' his sorry as... er, posterior, gets kicked to the curb this election. He's a Democrat after all.

Decent weather, decent economic climate, I like where my house is, and the politics and gun laws are reasonable.

What's NOT to like???
Link Posted: 5/17/2002 5:01:32 AM EDT
North Dakota and proud of it.  I've finally come back after ten years in the shithole called Illinois and am damn happy to be here.

Sure, some things have changed, but this is still home.

Link Posted: 5/17/2002 5:04:41 AM EDT
Link Posted: 5/17/2002 5:04:55 AM EDT
Born in IL
Moving to WI in June
Family in Chicago, Warsaw, Poland and Berlin, Germany.

I really don't care WHERE I live in the US, just as long as I live in the USA.

Link Posted: 5/17/2002 5:11:20 AM EDT
I've lived in TX since the day I was born and I am never leaving!
Link Posted: 5/17/2002 5:12:08 AM EDT
I was born and lived most of my life in California.  Of course, I feel absolutely no loyalty to that state.  This question was really only poised to those who live in Free America, wasn't it? [:)]

On the other hand, Arizona is hot, but that's a small price to pay to not be a slave.
Link Posted: 5/17/2002 5:27:57 AM EDT
Whoa there Hun-boy!

Some of us are proud of the state that we're from, even if we don't currently live there.

My name says it all


("Michigander in Maryland")
Link Posted: 5/17/2002 5:30:24 AM EDT
Post from bunghole -
I've lived in TX since the day I was born and I am never leaving!
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See what I mean, folks?

That's how Texans think. But do others feel the same way?

Do you?

Eric The(IKnowIDo)Hun[>]:)]
Link Posted: 5/17/2002 5:36:43 AM EDT
good morning HUNny...well I was reared in Louisiana....I moved to Texas for a job...I love the place and would be happy to stay here, but I would move back to La if there were any good jobs there...I love the state..just being in the delta in the spring, I'm getting choked up. And while texans are cetainly good with some foods,
They can't compare to La.......
Link Posted: 5/17/2002 5:37:47 AM EDT
Link Posted: 5/17/2002 5:43:16 AM EDT
Born in San Antonio, spent 5 years in Byran/College Station, been back in SA since then...No plans on EVER leaving

Thought Texas was the country I was from...
Link Posted: 5/17/2002 5:43:56 AM EDT
Link Posted: 5/17/2002 5:56:19 AM EDT
Post from hound -
...well I was reared in Louisiana
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Actually, [b]hound[/b], I was born in Shreveport, Louisiana, myself, at Schumpert Medical Center, which was called, back in 1952, T. E. Schumpert Sanatorium!

My parents were living in Vernon, Texas, at the time, but when Mom got to eight months with each of her three children, she would get on the train and go back to her mother's house in Shreveport to deliver her children at Schumpert.


Simple. She was German Catholic and Schumpert Sanatorium was operated by a German Order of Catholic nuns, The Sisters of Our Lady of the Incarnate Word.  All of the physicians were Germans (my doctor was Dr. Teilhardt), and the chief resident of the OB-GYN dept., was a fellow named Dr. Bruner, who had a standing order for all delivering physicians at his hospital - the delivering physician must remain on the hospital grounds for 48 hours following the birth of a child so that in case anything went wrong 'mit Mutter und Kind' the delivering physician would be available for questions, etc.

Even today, delivering physicians are required to remain on the hospital premises for 4 hours following delivery, and even with that rule, there is a waiting list of physicians who want to have delivering privileges at Schumpert.

When Readers Digest used to print the 'Safest Hospitals in the US to Have Children' lists, Schumpert was always Number One!

Eric The(ConceivedInTexas,BornInLouisiana)Hun[>]:)]
Link Posted: 5/17/2002 5:58:16 AM EDT
Link Posted: 5/17/2002 6:01:58 AM EDT
i've lived in several states and travelled extensively in europe. it matters very little whose face they put on the coins, who collects the taxes, and what color uniform the police wear.

for pettiness and sheer provinciality, states are without equal. not even the feds are so obsessed with trivia. the name you put on the piece of lant this side of some arbitrary line is unimportant.

what does matter are climate and geography, taxes and access to things like culture and wilderness. people are pretty much the same no matter where you go.
Link Posted: 5/17/2002 6:02:38 AM EDT
Born in Florida - moved away too young to establish any loyalty.

Raised in Maryland - a socialist cesspool, but pretty and lots of fun stuff to do (boating). NO loyalty.

Currently reside in Pennsylvania - low taxes, relatively good gun policies, low cost of living. I'm pretty loyal I guess. It sure beats the hell out of Maryland, or worse, New Jersey.

It's hard for me to really declare loyalty to a state, however, but not hard to declare allegience to my country. After all, one of the nice things about the good old USA is that if you don't like your state, you're free to move at will.
Link Posted: 5/17/2002 6:05:47 AM EDT
A lot of people from other states don't understand the loyalty that most native Texans have for this state. Texas has the most colorful history of any state in the country and is the only state to have been an independent nation before joining the United States. In school we're all taught about the stand at the Alamo and the victory at San Jacinto. There's a lot to be proud of.

People from other states may take as much pride in their place of birth but nobody is more vocal about it than a Texan.
Link Posted: 5/17/2002 6:06:18 AM EDT
[b]Hun is definately right about Texans[/b], when my ancestors moved here in 1852 Texas extended all the way to the headwaters of the Arkansas river.

I for one consider, parts of New Mexico, Colorado, Oklahoma, Kansas and Wyoming to be my home as they were all parts of [b]TEXAS[/b] once.

And yea it sure POs alot of folk, when I remind 'em of that fact, which I'm more than over-joyed to do (hell, I even tote my litte map around for those who didn't know it).

Link Posted: 5/17/2002 6:07:09 AM EDT
I suspect being a mobile society has something to do with loss of identificaiton to ones state.  I was born and raised in PA (18 years).  After my four years of military service, I settled in AZ.  Was there for five years until completion of college upon which I got a job offer in TX.  Have been here for 26 years.  I'm proud to be a current Texan and still love AZ.  I've pretty much lost all connection with PA.
Link Posted: 5/17/2002 6:08:29 AM EDT
Assembled in Germany from American made parents.  The parents moved back to Indiana when I was a year old.  Haven't left in the 26 year since.  Don't plan on moving.  We have strange weather, a crappy job market, a Democratic Gov. who wants to raise my taxes because he spent the 2 billion surplus, and I love it.  We have reasonable gun laws.  I have to stay to improve things anyway.  Texas is one of the only places I would even consider moving to.

LARRY for GOVERNOR in 2002!!!!!!!!!!!
Link Posted: 5/17/2002 6:18:29 AM EDT
What are you saying, [b]shotar[/b]?

That is certainly [u]not[/u] the way I think. I think that being part of a nation such as the United States is great.

I wouldn't live in a state that abused my rights, no matter what the reason. No matter how much money I could earn there. No matter how long my family had lived there.

The Huns got to Texas back in 1848 because they were drawn to a frontier life.

Another part of the Hun family got to Texas in 1866 because they didn't like Reconstruction in Georgia.

No thanks, I have no desire to speak like the man on the six o'clock news.

Or think like him either.

"Because you can't stomp us out and you can't make us run,
cause we're them ole boys raised on shotguns.
We say grace and we say ma'am
amd if you aint into that we don't give a damn.
We came from the West Virginia coal mines
and the Rocky Mountains and the Western skies
and we can skin a buck, we can run a trout line
and a countryboy can survive, country folks can survive." - Hank Williams, Jr.

Eric The(Countryboy)Hun[>]:)]
Link Posted: 5/17/2002 6:23:52 AM EDT
Oh, I forgot.  WELCOME RACE FANS.  Come to Speedway, Indiana for the Greatest Spectacle in Racing.

(Tourism is part of my platform.)

Link Posted: 5/17/2002 6:25:35 AM EDT
Texas has the most colorful history of any state in the country and is the only state to have been an independent nation before joining the United States.
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wasnt california the Bear Republic before becoming a state?
how about Hawaii?

People from other states may take as much pride in their place of birth but nobody is more vocal about it than a Texan.
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for better or worse, probably true
Link Posted: 5/17/2002 6:28:07 AM EDT
Extremely Loyal. I love Colorado, it's history and it's people. That after traveling around this country to probably about half of the other states.

(BTW Hun, Colorado beat TX in the battle of Glorietta Pass ;))


Link Posted: 5/17/2002 6:28:10 AM EDT
Born in Illinois, lived in Arizona since '87. I LOVE this place, it's "cool", sometimes.
Link Posted: 5/17/2002 6:38:03 AM EDT
Post from legrue -
(BTW Hun, Colorado beat TX in the battle of Glorietta Pass ;))
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Hmmm, Colorado, isn't that where Texans go snow skiing? What else y'all got up there besides limp-wristed liberal politicos?

So you consider Glorietta Pass a victory? You [u]are[/u] a Yankee!

Eric The(Rebel)Hun[>]:)]
Link Posted: 5/17/2002 6:39:55 AM EDT
I was born and raised in AZ. and am very loyal to the state.  All we need is some beach front property and AZ is paradise on earth.  If you want hot we got that, if you want cool go up north, if you want to go to the beach?  Well, that's a problem.  Anyway, 2 out of 3 isn't bad.  We do have some good lakes so all is not lost.
Link Posted: 5/17/2002 6:45:35 AM EDT

Hun (I feel like I'm talking to my wife Hon),
I have many times mentioned that I live in the Republic of Vermont (the first one I might add 1780 to 1791). I would bear arms for it, and as a past constable have carried a gun for it. Yes, I like the state I live in. My wife goes back 10 generations and my kids were born here. Might say I love it. Damn cold sometime, but I have five woodstoves.

check out our gun laws and carry laws, we don't have hardly any. We are restricted in schools and court houses and post offices(!!), but can carry just about any where else with no permit needed.
Link Posted: 5/17/2002 6:46:35 AM EDT
Post from bunghole -
I've lived in TX since the day I was born and I am never leaving!
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See what I mean, folks?

That's how Texans think. But do others feel the same way?

Do you?

Eric The(IKnowIDo)Hun[>]:)]
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I may live in Colorado, but I'm a [red][b]NEBRASKAN.[/b][/red]
Link Posted: 5/17/2002 6:47:15 AM EDT
I only lived in Texas for less than a year and I still miss it. [>Q]
Link Posted: 5/17/2002 6:47:30 AM EDT
Born in KY, raised in FL, went through teen years in NC, been in AZ ever since.

I like AZ, but I couldn't have moved here directly from FL.  Too much beach, not enough ocean. (But it's a [i]dry[/i] heat!)

I'd go back to FL if I could get a job in the lower Keys that paid what I'm getting here.  Does that make me disloyal?
Link Posted: 5/17/2002 6:51:31 AM EDT
Born and raised in [b]Virginia[/b] and plan to spend the rest of my life here. Taxes aren't bad, the state is not terribly liberal, the landscape is beautiful, and I love the people.

Link Posted: 5/17/2002 6:52:28 AM EDT
Post from lurker -
wasnt california the Bear Republic before becoming a state?
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Nope. You're referring to the short-lived 'revolt' in Northern California from June 13, 1846 to about July 7, 1846?

They call that '3 week period' the 'Bear [u]Flag[/u] Republic' which should tell you that the flag was the biggest part of it!

The Mexican War had already begun in May, 1846!

California remained a 'territory' (not a republic) from 1846 until 1850, when it was admitted to the Union.
how about Hawaii?
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First off, who cares?[:D]

Second, Hawaii was also a US possession before it became a State.

Eric The(Historical)Hun[>]:)]
Link Posted: 5/17/2002 6:59:47 AM EDT
Born in PA, moved to CO after school for 2 years, beautiful place, had a great cabin in the mountains, but it wasn't home.

Back in PA, probably die in PA

Not a bad place here, deer hunting is a ten min walk from the house, I could fish the creek that runs through my yard, except when it dries up in the summer because of mine ceepage.  If I moove, it will be close to my house now, and the only reason I will move is for acrege.

Our town has a lot of years of history, my houst was built sometime between 1870 and 1890, it used to be a double block.  The divider wall in the attic had newspapers from 1890 and 1891 glued to it for insulation.  My street used to be the planes that the train cars took to carry the coal up the mountain.  I have seen some pics of the planes, it was a neat thing, it worked like a ski lift, the empty cars were added going down to pull the full cars up the MT. The coal breaker is still standing.  lots of miles of trails behind it to ride on with the quad.  


The bad points about here is the nuke plant is about 20 miles south west the way a bird flies. Jobs are so-so.  Cost of living isn't too bad though.  

Link Posted: 5/17/2002 7:06:02 AM EDT
First and Foremost.........I am a Texan.  I have traced my origins here in the North East Texas Piney Woods since before Jefferson, Tx was the Port of Entry for Mexico!!!!  I have an ancestor in our family cemetery that was placed to rest in 1832.

I served honorably with the USMC, and it is with extreme pride that I call myself an American as well.  I came home to these woods in 1999 with no job or job prospects (logging is the main industry here).  But I did have one thing- Family and Traditon.  My kids now roam on our 200 acres that I thought was huge when I was there age.......as did my daddy, his daddy, ans his daddy's daddy (you get the picture)!

I will close with the words from the immortal Texan who left us this year:

"It's the Home of Willie Nelson,
And the Home of western swing,
Makes me PROUD to be from Texas,
Where Bob Wills is still the King"
---------- Waylon Jennings

I meant this year......not last year.

Link Posted: 5/17/2002 7:15:29 AM EDT
They call that '3 week period' the 'Bear [u]Flag[/u] Republic' which should tell you that the flag was the biggest part of it!
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ok, a [b]shortlived[/b] independent republic, before US troops came in and siezed control.
my point stands.

how about Hawaii?First off, who cares?[:D]
Second, Hawaii was also a US possession before it became a State.
Eric The(Historical)Hun[>]:)]
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hawaiians care. hawaii was an independent kingdom before it became an american possession.
my point stands.

try to respect history, rather than distort it for your personal ends. it discredits you, and texans.
Link Posted: 5/17/2002 7:19:28 AM EDT
I've lived long enough in the following states to collect mail and have a phone number:

New Jersey:  okay for salt water fishing and proximity to NYC and Philly.  However the lawmakers in that state no longer tolerate my hobbies.  They don't need me (pop. density too high as it is) and I don't need them (can't afford to live there!)

New York:  Western NY is great for the outdoorsman.  But you have to pay heavily for the 'privilege' of living there.  Plus, is the speed limit on the Thruway still only 55 mph?  Bottom line....I won't be moving back.  "I can't drive 55..."

Michigan:  The thing I hated about living in southeast MI is when the economy catches cold, the auto industry gets pneumonia.  It's all auto industry all the time.  Too depressing.  Northern Michigan was great for fishing and hunting, but too many mosquitoes in the summer and too many cloudy days in the fall-winter-spring megaseason.  No wonder they all drink like fish U.P. there.  I'll move back, but just to the U.P. and only between Memorial Day and Labor Day.

Minnesota:  Brrrrrr!  I lived on the Iron Range which is a world unto itself. It reminded me of the Old West where the iron miners (cowboys) ride into town on their Harleys (horses) on Saturday nights to drink and fight in the multitude of bars, some featuring live music.  On Sunday mornings you could see drunk Indians (real ones just like in Old West) lying about in beautiful downtown Virgina, aka "The Queen City of the Iron Range."

Iowa:  Too hot in the summer, too cold in the winter, snow comes down sideways, and 'scenery' is either corn or soybeans or black dirt, depending on the season.  Iowans generally are very hung up about themselves, their state, and how they are perceived by non-Iowans.  I've never lived anywhere that hosts so many whiners and bitchers, but that's part of the farm mentality.  OMG!  Don't tell my wife that!  She is an Iowa farmer's daughter....

Pennsylvania:  The ancestral home of my parents and always a pleasant place to play with the fishing rods and firearms.  I wish someone would give me one good reason why I can't hunt with a semi-automatic firearm in PA like I can in ALL the other states I'd hunted.  What do the lawmakers in PA know that everyone else doesn't?  Otherwise, a livable place.

Indiana:  A very conservative state that is bleeding college-educated people and manufacturing jobs.  You can't imagine just how ignorant the ordinary life-long Hoosier is until you live here.  Yet, they are unceasingly friendly and get the job done.  We have a gun-owner friendly political system and good outdoor recreation opportunities here in the hilly, forested south.  The south part of the state is the boundary between the frost belt and the sun belt so we get a true four seasons without the dreary, seemingly endless overcast the Great Lakes Region is noted for.  I think I'll stay awhile here....at least until the kids leave the nest.
Link Posted: 5/17/2002 7:21:13 AM EDT
Hey, Lunker, wasn't GA a penal colony before it became a state in 1732? and before that wasn't it the Cherokee nation for part of the state?
Link Posted: 5/17/2002 7:24:21 AM EDT
Link Posted: 5/17/2002 7:28:03 AM EDT
Post from lurker -
ok, a shortlived independent republic, before US troops came in and siezed control.
my point stands.
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No, no, no. Your point doesn't stand![:D]

You can't consider a 'three week period of a flag' in one remote area of a land to be a republic! Or much anything else!

What was the legislature of this republic? Who was the President? Where was its capital?

C'mon, your point was weak and lame!

And Hawaii was simply an American possession by the time statehood came.

Eric The(Now,Texas....)Hun[>]:)]
Link Posted: 5/17/2002 7:37:21 AM EDT
Link Posted: 5/17/2002 7:37:47 AM EDT
I was born in New York (where my mother is from),  and my father is from Georgia.  I grew up on military bases all over the country and overseas, continuing this when I joined the Air Force.  I stayed in Maryland when I mustered out, living there for nine years.

I now live in North Dakota, where I couldn't be happier.  My kids can play outside without my having to fit them with Lo-Jack units, the public schools here are FAR superior to Maryland's and the people here are just friendlier.  I proudly fly the North Dakota state flag under the American flag on my flagpole.

[EDITED TO ADD:  And the weather keeps the Kalifornians out!] [:D]

Link Posted: 5/17/2002 7:52:11 AM EDT
Hey, Lunker, wasn't GA a penal colony before it became a state in 1732? and before that wasn't it the Cherokee nation for part of the state?
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yes, georgia started as a penal colony. and yes, the cherokee nation had its' capitol here, at new echota.
Link Posted: 5/17/2002 7:53:17 AM EDT
It seems that the longer a family has stayed in one state, the more likely one is to stay put.

My family has only been in the US since the 1920's, so almost all of the family is in Poland or Germany. When we want to visit the family we take a flight out of O'Hare on Polish Airlines.

I have no ties or loyalties to IL. It's a state, not my country. All I want is a nice neighborhood, a good school system, and a job in the area. I really don't care too much about where it is.

Why do Texans, and many other people from the southwest, feel so strongly for a state?

Link Posted: 5/17/2002 7:54:59 AM EDT
...."I LOVE NEW YORK!"..........(you don`t bite the hand that feeds ya`!).........[:D]
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