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Posted: 11/20/2023 7:41:46 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By voodochild: I got new for the Trump folks. IF and I mean IF he gets elected he's not going to accomplish anything. Congress will bend him over a barrel and show him the 50 states. Hell I doubt the Republicans control either branch of Congress after the next elections. A co-equal branch of government accomplishing nothing would be a huge improvement wouldn’t it? |
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WI, USA
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Posted: 11/20/2023 7:43:02 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By WildBoar: Not surprising coming from the guy that said he would vote Hillary Clinton and a straight D ticket if Cruz won the Primary. DeSantis is on many levels above Trump as far as being Conservative. Hence why you guys hate him so much. More then Biden I would say. But then again you guys have been proven to be no Conservatives at all Basically you guys are like the Obama worshippers, jus the other side of the coin. |
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Posted: 11/20/2023 7:44:18 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Sketti: The GOPe fucked him! They knew he couldn't beat Trump and that going up against him would hurt his chances for VP pick and 2028. They did indeed although he surely didn't help himself. He's just not that likeable and trying to emulate Trump, since 2020 at least, has not necessarily been his cup of tea. The GOP told him that Trump would be out of the way...but that hasn't happened. The same donors, many of whom vowed to kill the "MAGA" movement, will now turn around and either A) support Haley, who's been on this path to office since 2018 (similar plans for Desantis) and or B) support Newsome in some way. |
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Posted: 11/20/2023 7:45:05 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ranging-by-zipcode: He didn't pick his marketing team the swamp did. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ranging-by-zipcode: Originally Posted By SWIRE: For about 6 months multiple YouTube personalities have been begging DeSantis to fire his marketing and replace them because they are terrible. He's ignored that and carried on with his failed approach. Even a couple weeks ago Patrick David Bet, who is voting for DeSantis, and had him on his podcast directly told him that his marketing team has terrible messaging and needs to be replaced. DeSantis had a confused deer in the headlights look and asked what was wrong with his marketing team. People have tried to help him but DeSantis has chosen to ignore all of them. He didn't pick his marketing team the swamp did. Some of them are the same people who helped get Zelensky elected. |
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GA, USA
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Posted: 11/20/2023 7:45:33 AM EST
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He thought way more of himself than he should have.
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Posted: 11/20/2023 7:47:28 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By boolzi: To me and I’m no Desantis expert cause I haven’t payed too much attention, he saw Trump and what he was doing and mimicked him. Was Ron like he is now before 2015 when trump was making the rounds? I’m no trumper but I will vote for him in the primaries. If Ron was to get the nomination I would vote for him in the general. Don’t think that will happen though. I almost guarantee Ron will run as vp when the dust settles. As long as trumps second goes good he has a shot at 3 term in the White House. I really don’t know him, Trump, I know what we’ll get, good and bad, and for me the good outweighs the bad. Desantis is not mimicking/acting like Trump has at any point… |
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Posted: 11/20/2023 7:53:39 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By macman37: Desantis is not mimicking/acting like Trump has at any point Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By macman37: Originally Posted By boolzi: To me and I'm no Desantis expert cause I haven't payed too much attention, he saw Trump and what he was doing and mimicked him. Was Ron like he is now before 2015 when trump was making the rounds? I'm no trumper but I will vote for him in the primaries. If Ron was to get the nomination I would vote for him in the general. Don't think that will happen though. I almost guarantee Ron will run as vp when the dust settles. As long as trumps second goes good he has a shot at 3 term in the White House. I really don't know him, Trump, I know what we'll get, good and bad, and for me the good outweighs the bad. Desantis is not mimicking/acting like Trump has at any point I beg to differ. His choice of words and behavior towards the media/etc. was designed to emulate Trump in some ways. It was clear to me when certain right leaning talk shows started highlighting him in 2020 and then in 2021 in some cases with theme music. Then there was the picture of some of these talking people who met with the governor to be his promotors, which isn't that unusual except they all attempted to deny they were doing it. |
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OK, USA
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Posted: 11/20/2023 7:59:03 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By wgjhsafT: I beg to differ. His choice of words and behavior towards the media/etc. was designed to emulate Trump in some ways. It was clear to me when certain right leaning talk shows started highlighting him in 2020 and then in 2021 in some cases with theme music. Then there was the picture of some of these talking people who met with the governor to be his promotors, which isn't that unusual except they all attempted to deny they were doing it.  Ron DeSantis now copying how Trump says "China" #shorts  Is Ron DeSantis Copying Trump? DeSantis is weak tea. |
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USA
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Posted: 11/20/2023 8:04:38 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Kalashnikov762: It's just not time for DeSantis just yet. Maybe after the Trump thing gets settled and out of the way, then, the spotlight can be on Ron. 
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Posted: 11/20/2023 8:07:10 AM EST
[Last Edit: ROCK6]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SWIRE: For about 6 months multiple YouTube personalities have been begging DeSantis to fire his marketing and replace them because they are terrible. He's ignored that and carried on with his failed approach. Even a couple weeks ago Patrick David Bet, who is voting for DeSantis, and had him on his podcast directly told him that his marketing team has terrible messaging and needs to be replaced. DeSantis had a confused deer in the headlights look and asked what was wrong with his marketing team. People have tried to help him but DeSantis has chosen to ignore all of them. Trump learned this the hard way during his first administration, and he kept them around as staff and advisors. RINOs and swamp critters will fuck you to stay in power, get rich, and stay in the good graces of MSM and the Marxist left. DeSantis was "advised" to hire the typical RINO GOP consultants, marketers, and election campaign members...they're all fucking morons who have zero understanding of the conservative voter base. They're making bank and they don't give a shit if DeSantis gets elected or not. The only group worse than the Democrat-Marxist-Communists, are the self-proclaimed GOP RINOs who suck their dick...DeSantis hired a bunch of dick suckers. ROCK6 |
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Posted: 11/20/2023 8:25:53 AM EST
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I don’t understand why it’s so hard for him to give the GOP voters what they want to hear. Ramaswarmy has basically copied Trump’s style and he’s doing well with it. RDS could have done the same but then added that he has proven results in his resume too. Instead, it’s like we get the Romney campaign 2.0.
Anyone not Trump will have a hard enough climb ahead of them because the media is focusing all their attention on poisoning the middle against Trump and they don’t want a second option to appear. If T$ is going to be legit challenged, the challenger will have to be more boisterous than Trump if that’s possible. |
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Posted: 11/20/2023 8:26:27 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By delemorte: If he won the primary I'd vote for him in the general. But he's not beating trump in the primary no matter how you slice it. For better or worse I like DeSantis, but if he wins, it would be earth shattering. Not going to happen. |
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Posted: 11/20/2023 8:28:59 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Low_Country: lol the only people dumb enough to join Trump’s administration at this point are Mike Lindell and that crazy woman from Arizona. Maybe MTG. The only thing politicians like better than character is power. They’ll be lining up. |
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Posted: 11/20/2023 8:33:51 AM EST
[#14]
Those blaming the electorate:
Bush light Romney McCain Choices weren’t exactly the best in the world. Republicans and Democrats are both on the short end of electable candidates. That’s local, state, and federal level. Get a good candidate and harp on crime, economy, and immigration. Don’t get distracted. |
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Posted: 11/20/2023 8:33:53 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Oldgold: I like DeSantis, but if he wins, it would be earth shattering. Not going to happen. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Oldgold: Originally Posted By delemorte: If he won the primary I'd vote for him in the general. But he's not beating trump in the primary no matter how you slice it. For better or worse I like DeSantis, but if he wins, it would be earth shattering. Not going to happen. If Ron wins the nomination he’s getting no moderate voters with any ties to the gays. That’s a good chunk. Those moderates sick of the Biden fiasco would much more pull the trigger on Trump over Desantis. I have no idea what he even did to nuke the gays? Disney? |
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USA
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Posted: 11/20/2023 8:37:24 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By WildBoar: Basically you guys are like the Obama worshippers, jus the other side of the coin. Theres a lot of truth in this statement. |
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Posted: 11/20/2023 8:41:55 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By boolzi: If Ron wins the nomination he’s getting no moderate voters with any ties to the gays. That’s a good chunk. Those moderates sick of the Biden fiasco would much more pull the trigger on Trump over Desantis. I have no idea what he even did to nuke the gays? Disney? Probably that overblown "Don't say gay" nonsense |
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Posted: 11/20/2023 8:45:53 AM EST
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TX, USA
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Posted: 11/20/2023 8:53:18 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By boolzi: If Ron wins the nomination he’s getting no moderate voters with any ties to the gays. That’s a good chunk. Those moderates sick of the Biden fiasco would much more pull the trigger on Trump over Desantis. I have no idea what he even did to nuke the gays? Disney? Are we even going to address that DeSantis is extremely anti-abortion and we just witnessed that abortion will bring all the moonbats to the polls to vote against DeSantis. |
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Posted: 11/20/2023 8:53:29 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By WildBoar: The Cult wants Trump. It was obvious and foolish of himn to try and run. Problem he now has that no Trumper will ever vote for him in the future. Anyone that dares challenge Trump is a heretic to the Trump cult. Now DeSantis has ZERO chance in 2028 as no true Trump supporter would ever vote for him lest they tempt the flames of their Hell. Thankfully next election will be stress free because I already know the outcome. And to top it off Trump said he doesn't need our votes anyway he allegedly has enough. Awesome Congrats. Hope it works out. If not. Oh well. I get to keep my actual Conservative Governor here in Florida Big Cult  Attached File |
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CT, USA
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Posted: 11/20/2023 8:54:48 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Oldgold: I like DeSantis, but if he wins, it would be earth shattering. Not going to happen. Everyone knows he's not going to win the nomination . There are different stages of grief and we should be here to support our members at this difficult time . They are at the first stage now. The five stages – denial, anger, bargaining, depression and acceptance |
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USA
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Posted: 11/20/2023 8:59:29 AM EST
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Desantis didn’t blow anything. It’s obvious they’re setting Trump up to be the “savior.” When he’s POTUS, his address changes from 666 5th Avenue, where he resided on the 66th floor, to 1600 Pennsylvania.
Also don’t forget General Flynn’s reciting of satanist/theosophist, Alice Bailey’s “Sevefold Rays of Light” prayer at the Cornerstone Church. It’s all planned out. As with all of them, Trump included, Desantis was just playing his role.  General Flynn's occultic prayer in a church. 7 rays of light? Elizabeth Clare Prophet. |
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Posted: 11/20/2023 9:06:13 AM EST
[#23]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ryan_Ruck: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/102941/IMG_0014_jpeg-3033865.JPG The left can't meme. It's Sad!! |
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Posted: 11/20/2023 9:15:02 AM EST
[#24]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By foursixty: The left can't meme. It's Sad!! Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By foursixty: Originally Posted By Ryan_Ruck: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/102941/IMG_0014_jpeg-3033865.JPG The left can't meme. It's Sad!! Only a Trump supporter would think big spending, pro-LGBTQ, anti-gun Trump is "right" while state budget surplus, anti-groomer, Constitutional carry signing DeSantis is "left". Never change guys. 
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Posted: 11/20/2023 9:17:38 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Geralt55: Actually we're saying he should show up for debates, in this primary we are having because he choked in the 4th year of his Presidency (Tricked by a hobbit in a labcoat) and lost. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/144599/F3wmXQcXMAAfagW-2923472.jpg He's in this primary because he lost. This isn't a coronation and he isn't owed anything. He actually owes us an explanation. If elections are unwinnable now and rigged - WHY is he running, in HIS words. 50% of people who voted for him twice, are "not Trump againers" by first choice. That's a massive failing on his part. TBH I blame Trump for carrying on like normal. He owed us explanations and apologies. He's not shown an ability to work with people who don't flatter him, and it's a horrible failing to have in a leader at this level. Oh we're finger pointing now? That's what this is? Oh okay. So if you pick a candidate (that already "lost", making him a "loser") that loses AGAIN, in a predictable way, because of his juvenile antics, you own this. OF course you would hear, "Hey there's a guy that actually won a post 2020/SCOTUS-Abortion-Decision statewide election, in a once purple state, by a larger margin than Trump did - but noooooooooo you just had to get tricked by polls because they flattered you." Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Geralt55: Originally Posted By TLD05: Originally Posted By Geralt55: Originally Posted By macman37: It’s afraid. And by “it” I’m referring to the Trump campaign.  "HE SHOULD DROP OUT" With 2 months to go until the FIRST votes are cast  That "I will totally do next time what I didn't do last time" message is just pure genius  Seems that we're at an impasse. DeSantis supporters see no need for a guy a million percent behind the lead candidate to drop out because no votes have been cast while simultaneously crying for Trump to drop out because "he can't win the general!". Actually we're saying he should show up for debates, in this primary we are having because he choked in the 4th year of his Presidency (Tricked by a hobbit in a labcoat) and lost. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/144599/F3wmXQcXMAAfagW-2923472.jpg He's in this primary because he lost. This isn't a coronation and he isn't owed anything. He actually owes us an explanation. If elections are unwinnable now and rigged - WHY is he running, in HIS words. 50% of people who voted for him twice, are "not Trump againers" by first choice. That's a massive failing on his part. It was a retarded perspective at the beginning of campaign and considering recent trends it may be more retarded now. The republican situation is setup to be a disaster for this election. Trump voters carrying on like normal TBH I blame Trump for carrying on like normal. He owed us explanations and apologies. He's not shown an ability to work with people who don't flatter him, and it's a horrible failing to have in a leader at this level. until the left locks him up and all of the self proclaimed "principled conservatives " smelling their own farts and screeching from the bushes. Oh we're finger pointing now? That's what this is? Oh okay. So if you pick a candidate (that already "lost", making him a "loser") that loses AGAIN, in a predictable way, because of his juvenile antics, you own this. OF course you would hear, "Hey there's a guy that actually won a post 2020/SCOTUS-Abortion-Decision statewide election, in a once purple state, by a larger margin than Trump did - but noooooooooo you just had to get tricked by polls because they flattered you." And I've never once heard him tell us about how bad his "plan" was in 2020. He ruined lots of lives with that. People want to act like Trump was some freedom-loving right-winger, yet he was the main pusher of some of the worst government overreach in 60 years, spent way more than any president before him in 4 years, lobbied for gun control (and implemented some), destroyed our supply chain and set in motion massive inflation, and laid the groundwork to absolutely wreck our election system. Honestly, I'm not sure why Dems and Establishment Rs are going so hard against him, considering he expanded their power by orders of magnitude during his presidency. He had some wins during his presidency, but I ultimately consider it a loss for people who want conservatism and less government in their lives. All he has going for him in 2024 is that people hate the fedgov even more than him. That's understandable, and I'll begrudgingly vote for him over the overt power grabbers, but I have little faith that a 2024 Trump presidency will be a "win" for any of us. At best, it will be less loss of freedoms over a democrat, although that would go against the grain of his previous presidency. We won't be going in a direction of more freedom, though. |
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Posted: 11/20/2023 9:24:50 AM EST
[Last Edit: Ryan_Ruck]
[#26]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By whollyshite: And I've never once heard him tell us about how bad his "plan" was in 2020. He ruined lots of lives with that. People want to act like Trump was some freedom-loving right-winger, yet he was the main pusher of some of the worst government overreach in 60 years, spent way more than any president before him in 4 years, lobbied for gun control (and implemented some), destroyed our supply chain and set in motion massive inflation, and laid the groundwork to absolutely wreck our election system. Honestly, I'm not sure why Dems and Establishment Rs are going so hard against him, considering he expanded their power by orders of magnitude during his presidency. He had some wins during his presidency, but I ultimately consider it a loss for people who want conservatism and less government in their lives. All he has going for him in 2024 is that people hate the fedgov even more than him. That's understandable, and I'll begrudgingly vote for him over the overt power grabbers, but I have little faith that a 2024 Trump presidency will be a "win" for any of us. At best, it will be less loss of freedoms over a democrat, although that would go against the grain of his previous presidency. We won't be going in a direction of more freedom, though. Because it makes him a martyr and galvanizes his base's support behind him. They know he's the easiest in the field to beat and want him to be the nominee. The Trumpers aren't smart enough to figure out they're getting played. |
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Posted: 11/20/2023 9:26:40 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ryan_Ruck: Only a Trump supporter would think big spending, pro-LGBTQ, anti-gun Trump is "right" while state budget surplus, anti-groomer, Constitutional carry signing DeSantis is "left". Never change guys. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ryan_Ruck: Originally Posted By foursixty: Originally Posted By Ryan_Ruck: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/102941/IMG_0014_jpeg-3033865.JPG The left can't meme. It's Sad!! Only a Trump supporter would think big spending, pro-LGBTQ, anti-gun Trump is "right" while state budget surplus, anti-groomer, Constitutional carry signing DeSantis is "left". Never change guys. I didn't mention any of that. Only that the left can't meme. I've never seen one meme from you that was good. |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 11/20/2023 9:31:15 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By WildBoar: Not surprising coming from the guy that said he would vote Hillary Clinton and a straight D ticket if Cruz won the Primary. DeSantis is on many levels above Trump as far as being Conservative. Hence why you guys hate him so much. More then Biden I would say. But then again you guys have been proven to be no Conservatives at all Basically you guys are like the Obama worshippers, jus the other side of the coin. Hahaha. Daaaaaaamn. |
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Posted: 11/20/2023 9:34:20 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Sketti: The GOPe fucked him! They knew he couldn't beat Trump and that going up against him would hurt his chances for VP pick and 2028. DeSantis f'd himself. It's hard to be worse at choosing staff and employees than Trump,.. but gosh darnit DeSantis did just that to the nth degree. |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 11/20/2023 9:37:18 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TheAmaazingCarl: DeSantis f'd himself. It's hard to be worse at choosing staff and employees than Trump,.. but gosh darnit DeSantis did just that to the nth degree. Yeah, he has mostly himself to blame. |
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Posted: 11/20/2023 9:45:22 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By unknow: Yeah, he has mostly himself to blame. truth. if most of us here knew better I’d like to think desantis could have puzzled pieced the likely outcome of entering the ring with the undisputed political phenomenon of the last century oh well live and learn I guess |
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Posted: 11/20/2023 9:47:25 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By foursixty: I didn't mention any of that. Only that the left can't meme. I've never seen one meme from you that was good. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By foursixty: Originally Posted By Ryan_Ruck: Originally Posted By foursixty: Originally Posted By Ryan_Ruck: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/102941/IMG_0014_jpeg-3033865.JPG The left can't meme. It's Sad!! Only a Trump supporter would think big spending, pro-LGBTQ, anti-gun Trump is "right" while state budget surplus, anti-groomer, Constitutional carry signing DeSantis is "left". Never change guys. I didn't mention any of that. Only that the left can't meme. I've never seen one meme from you that was good. I'm flattered you pay me so much attention. I have no clue who you are. |
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Posted: 11/20/2023 9:49:05 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 69cutlass: truth. if most of us here knew better I’d like to think desantis could have puzzled pieced the likely outcome of entering the ring with the undisputed political phenomenon of the last century oh well live and learn I guess The irony is so thick you can almost touch it. |
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LA, USA
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Posted: 11/20/2023 9:49:15 AM EST
[Last Edit: killstick_engaged]
[#34]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ryan_Ruck: Because it makes him a martyr and galvanizes his base's support behind him. They know he's the easiest in the field to beat and want him to be the nominee. The Trumpers aren't smart enough to figure out they're getting played. Trumpers say we must run Trump over and over until he wins Trumpers say the Democrats cheated and voting is pointless They are perpetual losers with loser mentalities. Sometimes you have to change if you want to win, They don't want to win. They just want things to continue going to shit while claiming no responsibility and saying I told you so. DeSantis would curb stomp pedo Joe, But nah let's run the same guy who lost already against him. |
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Posted: 11/20/2023 9:50:56 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By KuduKing: DeSantis basically did every single thing, and made every decision, wrong. Starting with running against Trump, the clear favorite and front-runner, right after being re-elected Governor. He showed no loyalty, and that's strike number one. Whether he's fried himself or not for 2028, who knows, politics is a strange game. But he went from looking like a future presidential prospect, to looking like a fraud, a toad and a crass opportunist with an agenda that that changes with the polling and the MONEY. He showed himself as just another politician, with less appeal than average. He's more polarizing than Trump. Definitely would not be my choice for the future. He basically blew it, and it looks like it's a character flaw. The pathetic butt hurt fanbois, never-trumpers and true believers on here can go lick their wounds, and either sit on their hands or vote for Biden or Newsom. That'll show Orange Man who's boss! |
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GA, USA
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Posted: 11/20/2023 9:51:07 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Low_Country: It’s a huge indictment of the GOP electorate if we are being blunt. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Low_Country: Originally Posted By laxman09: I think RD fully believes he is a better candidate than Trump and thought others would agree based on his results vs Trump's. Sadly, he overestimated how much people care about results and care more about tweets and soundbites. It’s a huge indictment of the GOP electorate if we are being blunt. For as long as we've complained that most liberals vote based purely on emotion rather than results, I find it fascinating that half the GOP is bitching about "uniparty" while supporting a candidate purely on emotion rather than results. |
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Posted: 11/20/2023 9:52:10 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AXE0FWAR: Theres a lot of truth in this statement. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AXE0FWAR: Originally Posted By WildBoar: Basically you guys are like the Obama worshippers, jus the other side of the coin. Theres a lot of truth in this statement. That goes for the NTs also |
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LA, USA
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Posted: 11/20/2023 9:52:57 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jwr6: For as long as we've complained that most liberals vote based purely on emotion rather than results, I find it fascinating that half the GOP is bitching about "uniparty" while supporting a candidate purely on emotion rather than results. Yeah no shit Trump got beat by a pedo who didn't even campaign. |
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Posted: 11/20/2023 9:54:01 AM EST
[#39]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FS7: The irony is so thick you can almost touch it.  |
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IA, USA
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Posted: 11/20/2023 9:56:29 AM EST
[Last Edit: thunderw21]
[#40]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 69cutlass: this the start of his decline Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 69cutlass: Originally Posted By nomad07: When he cucked out like a bitch in his response to 1st Trump indictment...lost then and there this the start of his decline Erm, DeSantis said he wouldn't extradite Trump out of Florida. DeSantis protected Trump when he was indicted but Trump, like a beat dog, ran off to the authorities in New York with his tail between his legs. DeSantis did what he could and you guys claim he bitched out? That was Trump! https://www.politico.com/news/2023/03/30/desantis-trump-indictment-00089865 |
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Posted: 11/20/2023 9:57:53 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ShawnsB4: That goes for the NTs also While that's mostly a pejorative used against people who dare oppose Trump, much like MAGA is used almost exclusively by the left as a pejorative against the right, most everybody labeled a "Never Trumper" has principled reasons why they oppose Trump. The comparison to Obama is incredibly accurate. Obama had a cult following on the left, but he generated a lot of hatred on the right. This resulted in a lot of downstream losses as anybody tied to Obama, correctly or incorrectly, was guaranteed to get higher turnout against them. For Obama himself, this didn't matter, since he himself generated more than enough cult turnout to win. Trump, on the other hand, generates far more turnout against him than for him, hence not only does he destroy his affiliated candidates, he can't win himself. |
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Posted: 11/20/2023 9:59:26 AM EST
[Last Edit: Ryan_Ruck]
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Quote HistoryQuote HistoryOriginally Posted By 69cutlass: Originally Posted By FS7: The irony is so thick you can almost touch it. https://media.greatawakening.win/post/XQVSyqvOohLS.jpeg Creepy homoerotic foot fetishism, hookers, and golden showers. The Trump 2024 campaign in a nutshell. If that doesn't look like winning, I don't know what does. |
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GA, USA
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Posted: 11/20/2023 10:00:41 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BornIn1776: He thought way more of himself than he should have. That's an unfair assessment. He's a hugely popular governor in a historical swing state. He and his team probably thought Trump wouldn't run after losing most swing states in November and then the December/January shenanigans. IMO his best bet would be to step into Rick Scott's Senate seat in 2 years. Scott will be 72. |
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GA, USA
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Posted: 11/20/2023 10:12:48 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ryan_Ruck: Because it makes him a martyr and galvanizes his base's support behind him. They know he's the easiest in the field to beat and want him to be the nominee. The Trumpers aren't smart enough to figure out they're getting played. "I love the poorly educated" |
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Posted: 11/20/2023 10:17:23 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PeepEater: The charges in GA are probably going to stick. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PeepEater: Originally Posted By John_Wayne777: I'm certain that was the core of their strategy. ...which is unbelievably foolish. Firstly it's never happened in the history of politics and would require the judiciary to completely weaponize itself in such a naked manner that nobody would have any faith in it ever again and would probably guarantee civil war in our lifetime. "When they put Trump in jail, I'll roll in and take the nomination!" Bro, if that happens there isn't a constitutional order anymore in any way, shape, or form. The nomination is moot. The charges in GA are probably going to stick. Trump is pretty clearly guilty in the classified documents case. The fact that he's being prosecuted for something "others got a pass on" (<- that's not 100% true) doesn't change his guilt. |
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Posted: 11/20/2023 10:20:37 AM EST
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Posted: 11/20/2023 10:20:38 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Oldgold: The only thing politicians like better than character is power. They’ll be lining up. Something like 41 of 44 former cabinet members have failed to endorse Trump for re-election. And several have been quite blunt about why. And it’s not some “because they are uniparty swamp” MAGA buzzword bingo reason. The man has no semblance of how to effectively govern, and no real inclination to try. Trump turns on everybody at some point - many of whom end up politically and professionally ruined, or in legal trouble of their own, just for associating with him. And the sole campaign point this time around seems to nothing more substantive than “burn it all down”. Yeah, I’m sure they’ll be lining up. |
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Posted: 11/20/2023 10:21:44 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By KuduKing: The pathetic butt hurt fanbois, never-trumpers and true believers on here can go lick their wounds, and either sit on their hands or vote for Biden or Newsom. That'll show Orange Man who's boss! They showed Orange Man and the cult in 2020 already. If ya'll insist on another beatin', the pathetic butt hurt fanbois, never-trumpers and true believers will be more than happy to hand out another one in 24. Maybe you can Leroy Jenkins the Capitol again. I'm sure Orange Man will stick up for you this time. |
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Posted: 11/20/2023 10:22:22 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jwr6: For as long as we've complained that most liberals vote based purely on emotion rather than results, I find it fascinating that half the GOP is bitching about "uniparty" while supporting a candidate purely on emotion rather than results. Horseshoe theory |
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Posted: 11/20/2023 10:27:23 AM EST
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Honestly not looking forward to Trump either getting humiliated in 2024, or somehow pulling it off and spending four years getting alpha rolled and dominated by the deep state again, except surrounded by even more disloyal and incompetent underlings this turn.
I appreciate him standing up when it was needed and saying what was necessary when it was important and unpopular with the media, now he's just cringe and I want him to go away. |
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