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Posted: 11/19/2023 10:16:07 PM EST
[#1]
So if DeSantes gets the nod. He's the leader. Guessing red flag laws, 21 age laws for rifles/shotguns.
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TX, USA
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Posted: 11/19/2023 10:17:23 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By fishing_cabin: So if DeSantes gets the nod. He's the leader. Guessing red flag laws, 21 age laws for rifles/shotguns. I doubt DeSantis gets the GOP nod but even if he does....He isn't electable on a national level. |
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Posted: 11/19/2023 10:21:31 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GMeanie: So even if Trump wins we get another 4 years of a Democrat running this Country. Correct. |
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Posted: 11/19/2023 10:22:29 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 9divdoc: Absolutely this...he would have been everyone's favorite in 4 yrs...hands down...the golden child. He already was everybody’s favorite. And then the indictments came. |
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Posted: 11/19/2023 10:23:27 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Low_Country: He already was everybody’s favorite. And then the indictments came. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Low_Country: Originally Posted By 9divdoc: Absolutely this...he would have been everyone's favorite in 4 yrs...hands down...the golden child. He already was everybody’s favorite. And then the indictments came. Nope. He wasn't popular before then either. |
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Posted: 11/19/2023 10:27:59 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By foursixty: Nope. He wasn't popular before then either. 
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Posted: 11/19/2023 10:35:44 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Low_Country: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/430926/C5D70A1B-2280-4B6D-A83E-8C4E28F6C989-2592918.png Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Low_Country: Originally Posted By foursixty: Nope. He wasn't popular before then either. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/430926/C5D70A1B-2280-4B6D-A83E-8C4E28F6C989-2592918.png Is that supposed to prove something? I think you've been told numerous times it doesn't translate. |
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Posted: 11/19/2023 10:41:23 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By foursixty: Is that supposed to prove something? I think you've been told numerous times it doesn't translate. 2000 votes, going 3 to 1 for Desantis. Thats more statistically significant than other “official” polls that get cited here. And the only thing that changed were the indictments. Almost like it’s part of a plan. |
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Posted: 11/19/2023 10:42:08 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By foursixty: Is that supposed to prove something? I think you've been told numerous times it doesn't translate. He certainly was popular. |
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Posted: 11/19/2023 11:01:58 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ajek: Has to be with a mediocre looking pornstar while his wife is pregnant, though, or it doesn't count. ...Actually, that may not be enough because DeSantis is still on wife #1. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ajek: Originally Posted By Geralt55: Maybe he should put on 40lbs and cheat on his wife or something. Has to be with a mediocre looking pornstar while his wife is pregnant, though, or it doesn't count. ...Actually, that may not be enough because DeSantis is still on wife #1. 
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Posted: 11/19/2023 11:04:25 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By fishing_cabin: So if DeSantes gets the nod. He's the leader. Guessing red flag laws, 21 age laws for rifles/shotguns. No. That's Democrat Don and DeSantis' predecessor. Do us a favor and don't vote since you don't do your homework and spout incorrect shit. You should feel badly and people like you are why we're doomed. Harsh, but it needed to be said. |
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Posted: 11/19/2023 11:04:52 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By WildBoar: Not surprising coming from the guy that said he would vote Hillary Clinton and a straight D ticket if Cruz won the Primary. DeSantis is on many levels above Trump as far as being Conservative. Hence why you guys hate him so much. More then Biden I would say. But then again you guys have been proven to be no Conservatives at all Basically you guys are like the Obama worshippers, jus the other side of the coin. |
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Posted: 11/19/2023 11:05:36 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jmb9: He might have screwed himself out of 2028. All he had to do was wait and run in 4 years. He would have been a strong favorite. |
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Posted: 11/19/2023 11:07:02 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SWIRE: For about 6 months multiple YouTube personalities have been begging DeSantis to fire his marketing and replace them because they are terrible. He's ignored that and carried on with his failed approach. DeSantis decided to run as the establishment candidate. Which means hiring the establishment consultants and advisors who brought us the spectacular successes of the McCain, Romney, and Jeb Bush campaigns. It's a shame because I thought he had potential, but all of it seems to have been utterly wasted. |
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Posted: 11/19/2023 11:09:48 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Middlelength: In fairness, he could have reasonably concluded that Trump would be in jail by the time the election actually rolled around. I'm certain that was the core of their strategy. ...which is unbelievably foolish. Firstly it's never happened in the history of politics and would require the judiciary to completely weaponize itself in such a naked manner that nobody would have any faith in it ever again and would probably guarantee civil war in our lifetime. "When they put Trump in jail, I'll roll in and take the nomination!" Bro, if that happens there isn't a constitutional order anymore in any way, shape, or form. The nomination is moot. |
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Posted: 11/19/2023 11:11:39 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Mojo_Jojo: Too bad, but its' just not working out for DeSantis. Worse yet, he's soon out of office with no obvious way to stay in the public eye. The tell will be when the campaign is over if he ends up with book deals and a gig doing "commentary" on Fox. That would explain his decisions. Making a kamikaze campaign in exchange for getting very handsomely paid after the fact. |
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Posted: 11/19/2023 11:14:01 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ceetee: I know who Sebastian Gorka is, but who are the rest of these jabronis and why do I give a shit what they think? Gorka is a grifting whore. |
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Posted: 11/19/2023 11:19:57 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By WildBoar: Not surprising coming from the guy that said he would vote Hillary Clinton and a straight D ticket if Cruz won the Primary. DeSantis is on many levels above Trump as far as being Conservative. Hence why you guys hate him so much. More then Biden I would say. But then again you guys have been proven to be no Conservatives at all Basically you guys are like the Obama worshippers, jus the other side of the coin. Oh God you're giving me flashbacks. |
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Posted: 11/19/2023 11:22:39 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RealityCheck0311: Desantis didn't blow it. It's just that Trump's small base has a stranglehold on the party and anyone that enters the ring is a direct threat to Trump and must be destroyed. Until Trump steps aside, this will keep on happening. I think that's a grave misreading of what's going on. The entire Republican brand is utter dogshit because it's been defined by the Bushies and the Bushies are poison. The coalition that squeeked George W in is largely dead and a whole bunch of people who held their nose and voted for him in the general (I voted for Alan Keyes in the 2000 primary because I thought we'd had quite enough Biush in the whitehouse) have no intention of voting for more Bushy bullshit. Early in the 2016 cycle I said multiple times on here that if they nominated Jeb I was not going to vote because it wouldn't fucking matter. Rush Limbaugh talked often about the "country club Republicans" versus the middle and working class base of the party. Well, that hasn't gotten any better. The country clubers hate the people who they need to vote for them. That message has gotten out loud and clear. This problem didn't start with Trump, and it won't end with him either. The Republican party has to undergo a complete reformation and be purged of the corrupt authoritarian fuckwits like the Bushes, the Kristols, the Cheneys, etc. Those type of people have absolutely no chance of being elected to anything. |
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Posted: 11/19/2023 11:30:28 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By John_Wayne777: I'm certain that was the core of their strategy. ...which is unbelievably foolish. Firstly it's never happened in the history of politics and would require the judiciary to completely weaponize itself in such a naked manner that nobody would have any faith in it ever again and would probably guarantee civil war in our lifetime. "When they put Trump in jail, I'll roll in and take the nomination!" Bro, if that happens there isn't a constitutional order anymore in any way, shape, or form. The nomination is moot. The charges in GA are probably going to stick. |
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Posted: 11/19/2023 11:33:16 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TaskForce: He certainly was popular. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TaskForce: Originally Posted By foursixty: Is that supposed to prove something? I think you've been told numerous times it doesn't translate. He certainly was popular. I don't think he's ever polled nationally in double digits. |
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Posted: 11/19/2023 11:49:43 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RealityCheck0311: Desantis didn't blow it. It's just that Trump's small base has a stranglehold on the party and anyone that enters the ring is a direct threat to Trump and must be destroyed. Until Trump steps aside, this will keep on happening. Like you can be the smartest guy in the room with the best ideas, but you won't win against a toddler. You can sink to the toddler's level and attempt to engage them but it's a losing battle and it just makes you look petty. But until the toddler leaves the room, the adults don't have a chance to accomplish anything. Because that toddler needs to be the center-of-attention at all times and can't deal with everyone not giving them 100% undivided attention. And of course all the adults are pushovers and too scared to remove the toddler to make them sit at the kid's table because it just starts another round of tantrums. You Again.   
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IL, USA
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Posted: 11/19/2023 11:51:15 PM EST
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The problem is Desantis doesn’t have a personality.
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IN, USA
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Posted: 11/19/2023 11:55:11 PM EST
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He was on the side of the parents that have kids in school rather than rather than giving the control to the drag queen fags forcing their agenda. Looks like to me he’s done more to protect kids than any candidate I can remember but that’s just not important anymore, it’s all about having those abortion rights and legalizing pot.
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Posted: 11/19/2023 11:57:41 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By foursixty: I don't think he's ever polled nationally in double digits. I'm speaking a bit more anecdotally. I'm far from FL and he did seem to be hitting a stride with people I knew. To be honest I think since then his lack of personality has been an issue. |
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Posted: 11/19/2023 11:57:58 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By John_Wayne777: DeSantis decided to run as the establishment candidate. Which means hiring the establishment consultants and advisors who brought us the spectacular successes of the McCain, Romney, and Jeb Bush campaigns. It's a shame because I thought he had potential, but all of it seems to have been utterly wasted. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By John_Wayne777: Originally Posted By SWIRE: For about 6 months multiple YouTube personalities have been begging DeSantis to fire his marketing and replace them because they are terrible. He's ignored that and carried on with his failed approach. DeSantis decided to run as the establishment candidate. Which means hiring the establishment consultants and advisors who brought us the spectacular successes of the McCain, Romney, and Jeb Bush campaigns. It's a shame because I thought he had potential, but all of it seems to have been utterly wasted. I agree. I don't know how he could mess things up this bad. He did a good job managing covid and managing the press and liberals with covid. He figured out what to do and operated as a solid confident Governor. The narrative and marketing by the Republican establishment has been terrible. In my state instead of recognizing that people are fleeing the crazies on the left and switching parties; the Republican establishment repeatedly boasts about how it is their great leadership attracting people and getting them to switch. Nope, they are just the less crazy lesser of two evils. But they won't hear it and think they are awesome. |
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Posted: 11/20/2023 12:24:05 AM EST
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When he cucked out like a bitch in his response to 1st Trump indictment...lost then and there
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Posted: 11/20/2023 12:41:19 AM EST
[Last Edit: Keekleberrys]
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Trump is an anti gunner. I don’t get why so many people are so eager to swing from his taint
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Posted: 11/20/2023 12:50:48 AM EST
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Ron seemed to decline quickly after the Tucker episode where he was given questions about his positions on Ukraine. RD replied in writing to the show days later (gist was that he wanted to end Ukraine support), caught a lot of heat from the donors, and then bitched out and walked back the answers he provided only a day previous. As far as I can tell, that was the beginning of the descent.
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Posted: 11/20/2023 1:20:09 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Switchback_Arms: I like Desantis but I think he should bow out, just made too many mistakes this time. |
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Posted: 11/20/2023 1:35:42 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Riter: Concur. When he drew Biden sized crowds (2 car garage standard) in Iowa he should have called it quit right then and there. Agreed.  Attached File |
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Posted: 11/20/2023 1:39:24 AM EST
[Last Edit: Ryan_Ruck]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By John_Wayne777: I think that's a grave misreading of what's going on. The entire Republican brand is utter dogshit because it's been defined by the Bushies and the Bushies are poison. The coalition that squeeked George W in is largely dead and a whole bunch of people who held their nose and voted for him in the general (I voted for Alan Keyes in the 2000 primary because I thought we'd had quite enough Biush in the whitehouse) have no intention of voting for more Bushy bullshit. Early in the 2016 cycle I said multiple times on here that if they nominated Jeb I was not going to vote because it wouldn't fucking matter. Rush Limbaugh talked often about the "country club Republicans" versus the middle and working class base of the party. Well, that hasn't gotten any better. The country clubers hate the people who they need to vote for them. That message has gotten out loud and clear. This problem didn't start with Trump, and it won't end with him either. The Republican party has to undergo a complete reformation and be purged of the corrupt authoritarian fuckwits like the Bushes, the Kristols, the Cheneys, etc. Those type of people have absolutely no chance of being elected to anything. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By John_Wayne777: Originally Posted By RealityCheck0311: Desantis didn't blow it. It's just that Trump's small base has a stranglehold on the party and anyone that enters the ring is a direct threat to Trump and must be destroyed. Until Trump steps aside, this will keep on happening. I think that's a grave misreading of what's going on. The entire Republican brand is utter dogshit because it's been defined by the Bushies and the Bushies are poison. The coalition that squeeked George W in is largely dead and a whole bunch of people who held their nose and voted for him in the general (I voted for Alan Keyes in the 2000 primary because I thought we'd had quite enough Biush in the whitehouse) have no intention of voting for more Bushy bullshit. Early in the 2016 cycle I said multiple times on here that if they nominated Jeb I was not going to vote because it wouldn't fucking matter. Rush Limbaugh talked often about the "country club Republicans" versus the middle and working class base of the party. Well, that hasn't gotten any better. The country clubers hate the people who they need to vote for them. That message has gotten out loud and clear. This problem didn't start with Trump, and it won't end with him either. The Republican party has to undergo a complete reformation and be purged of the corrupt authoritarian fuckwits like the Bushes, the Kristols, the Cheneys, etc. Those type of people have absolutely no chance of being elected to anything. Trump owns the country club.  Anyone that thinks a billionaire who hired illegal aliens and filed bankruptcy to avoid paying working stiff Americans, actually cares about them is probably dumb enough to vote for him. |
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Posted: 11/20/2023 1:56:25 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Low_Country: He already was everybody’s favorite. And then the indictments came. Whatever helps you cope... |
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Posted: 11/20/2023 2:59:02 AM EST
[Last Edit: KuduKing]
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DeSantis basically did every single thing, and made every decision, wrong. Starting with running against Trump, the clear favorite and front-runner, right after being re-elected Governor. He showed no loyalty, and that's strike number one.
Whether he's fried himself or not for 2028, who knows, politics is a strange game. But he went from looking like a future presidential prospect, to looking like a fraud, a toad and a crass opportunist with an agenda that that changes with the polling and the MONEY. He showed himself as just another politician, with less appeal than average. He's more polarizing than Trump. Definitely would not be my choice for the future. He basically blew it, and it looks like it's a character flaw. The pathetic butt hurt fanbois, never-trumpers and true believers on here can go lick their wounds, and either sit on their hands or vote for Biden or Newsom. That'll show Orange Man who's boss! |
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Posted: 11/20/2023 3:15:33 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By KuduKing: DeSantis basically did every single thing, and made every decision, wrong. Starting with running against Trump, the clear favorite and front-runner, right after being re-elected Governor. He showed no loyalty, and that's strike number one. Whether he's fried himself or not for 2028, who knows, politics is a strange game. But he went from looking like a future presidential prospect, to looking like a fraud, a toad and a crass opportunist with an agenda that that changes with the polling and the MONEY. He showed himself as just another politician, with less appeal than average. He's more polarizing than Trump. Definitely would not be my choice for the future. He basically blew it, and it looks like it's a character flaw. The pathetic butt hurt fanbois, never-trumpers and true believers on here can go lick their wounds, and either sit on their hands or vote for Biden or Newsom. That'll show Orange Man who's boss! Sorry your guy lost, |
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Posted: 11/20/2023 3:32:47 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By macman37: It's afraid. And by "it" I'm referring to the Trump campaign.   |
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Posted: 11/20/2023 3:47:55 AM EST
[Last Edit: Sketti]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ryan_Ruck: Agreed. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/102941/IMG_0305_jpeg-3033740.JPG Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ryan_Ruck: Originally Posted By Riter: Concur. When he drew Biden sized crowds (2 car garage standard) in Iowa he should have called it quit right then and there. Agreed. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/102941/IMG_0305_jpeg-3033740.JPG TDSers: Don't brag about Trump's rallies with very large audiences, they don't matter TDSers: Trump rallies are small and no one shows up.  |
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Posted: 11/20/2023 5:37:09 AM EST
[Last Edit: Extorris]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By fishing_cabin: So if DeSantes gets the nod. He's the leader. Guessing red flag laws, 21 age laws for rifles/shotguns. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By fishing_cabin: So if DeSantes gets the nod. He's the leader. Guessing red flag laws, 21 age laws for rifles/shotguns. "I wanna congratulate the state of Florida and your representatives on some very good legislation that's been passed." Originally Posted By PeepEater: The charges in GA are probably going to stick. I wouldn't be surprised considering how they're handling out plea deals in exchange for co-defendants to testify against him. |
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Posted: 11/20/2023 5:37:22 AM EST
[Last Edit: Extorris]
[#39]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By hbchew2323: The problem is Desantis doesn’t have a personality. This. "He lacked the shallow charisma we look for in our leaders." |
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Posted: 11/20/2023 6:07:54 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By WildBoar: The Cult wants Trump. It was obvious and foolish of himn to try and run. Problem he now has that no Trumper will ever vote for him in the future. Anyone that dares challenge Trump is a heretic to the Trump cult. Now DeSantis has ZERO chance in 2028 as no true Trump supporter would ever vote for him lest they tempt the flames of their Hell. Thankfully next election will be stress free because I already know the outcome. And to top it off Trump said he doesn't need our votes anyway he allegedly has enough. Awesome Congrats. Hope it works out. If not. Oh well. I get to keep my actual Conservative Governor here in Florida Not sure what your on about with the cult stuff. For many Trump was the best president we have had in our lifetime, the best option we have had in our voting age life. A lot of people including myself were excited about DeSantis stepping up. Then on the national stage he comes across as mildly retarded. Like two different people: calm, strong , successful governor and also-ran presidential candidate. I'm still open to voting for him in the primary because of his track record as Florida governor but at some point he has to come across as having more than a room temp IQ on the national stage. The governor of Florida hasn't made an appearance on the national stage yet, and you have to admit that is a little embarrassing. I haven't been able to make it all the way through a Republican debate yet. Our platform is sad and embarrassing altogether at this point. We're probably fucked anyway simply because we can't put our differences aside and rally behind our party. At this point I really don't give a shit who ends up going against Biden but I will vote for that person. It will probably be Trump and I'm fine with that, I'll vote for him. The way things are looking around here the Democrats will be laughing about not having to fire up the fraud machine this time around. |
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Posted: 11/20/2023 6:39:46 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ranging-by-zipcode: He will beg Trump for forgiveness and maybe Trump will pick him as his VP He definitely could pick him . You never know |
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Posted: 11/20/2023 6:43:30 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By nomad07: When he cucked out like a bitch in his response to 1st Trump indictment...lost then and there this the start of his decline |
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Posted: 11/20/2023 6:44:33 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By superdoc: He definitely could pick him . You never know I think the odds of that are exceptionally low. I'm not sure he will be able to get elected to anything again unless he picks some really talented people to help him with damage control soon. |
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Posted: 11/20/2023 7:17:20 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Sketti: The GOPe fucked him! They knew he couldn't beat Trump and that going up against him would hurt his chances for VP pick and 2028. Desantis is GOPe. He has showed his true colors. |
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Posted: 11/20/2023 7:19:59 AM EST
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He coulda aligned himself into the VP spot and then President for 8 years but he fucked that up. With what’s come out about his anti 2A mega donors I’m glad he didn’t
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Posted: 11/20/2023 7:21:39 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By WildBoar: The Cult wants Trump. It was obvious and foolish of himn to try and run. Problem he now has that no Trumper will ever vote for him in the future. Anyone that dares challenge Trump is a heretic to the Trump cult. Now DeSantis has ZERO chance in 2028 as no true Trump supporter would ever vote for him lest they tempt the flames of their Hell. Thankfully next election will be stress free because I already know the outcome. And to top it off Trump said he doesn't need our votes anyway he allegedly has enough. Awesome Congrats. Hope it works out. If not. Oh well. I get to keep my actual Conservative Governor here in Florida Look a salty NeverTrumper. You voting Blue or just staying home? |
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Posted: 11/20/2023 7:27:02 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PabloMcGlock: Look a salty NeverTrumper. You voting Blue or just staying home? |
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Posted: 11/20/2023 7:29:36 AM EST
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The fact that GD'ers still keep saying "Trump could pick RD to be his VP" shows how retarded they all are since they clearly dont understand the electoral process and what they would lose by doing so.
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Posted: 11/20/2023 7:35:41 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SWIRE: For about 6 months multiple YouTube personalities have been begging DeSantis to fire his marketing and replace them because they are terrible. He's ignored that and carried on with his failed approach. Even a couple weeks ago Patrick David Bet, who is voting for DeSantis, and had him on his podcast directly told him that his marketing team has terrible messaging and needs to be replaced. DeSantis had a confused deer in the headlights look and asked what was wrong with his marketing team. People have tried to help him but DeSantis has chosen to ignore all of them. Yeah, that’s a problem. With all the negatives Trump has right now (undeserved or not), RD should be neck and neck in the polls. Being basically an also ran at this point is a campaign failure. Oh well, he can keep being my Governor. |
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Posted: 11/20/2023 7:37:22 AM EST
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To me and I’m no Desantis expert cause I haven’t payed too much attention, he saw Trump and what he was doing and mimicked him. Was Ron like he is now before 2015 when trump was making the rounds?
I’m no trumper but I will vote for him in the primaries. If Ron was to get the nomination I would vote for him in the general. Don’t think that will happen though. I almost guarantee Ron will run as vp when the dust settles. As long as trumps second goes good he has a shot at 3 term in the White House. I really don’t know him, Trump, I know what we’ll get, good and bad, and for me the good outweighs the bad. |
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