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Posted: 8/8/2017 11:56:30 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/8/2017 12:00:33 PM EDT by Stylz]
Link Posted: 8/8/2017 11:59:15 AM EDT
Boom! There you go, weirdos. Happy now?
Link Posted: 8/8/2017 12:09:03 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By bluefalcon:
Boom! There you go, weirdos. Happy now?
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We're never happy.
Link Posted: 8/8/2017 12:22:48 PM EDT
Thank you for posting this.
Link Posted: 8/8/2017 12:29:13 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/8/2017 12:29:23 PM EDT by LightningII]
is that one of those $399 uppers from Wolf?
Link Posted: 8/8/2017 12:56:49 PM EDT
Yes, it is.
Link Posted: 8/8/2017 1:01:15 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By LightningII:
is that one of those $399 uppers from Wolf?
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Looks like it to me. I own one,
it's NOT for sale.
Link Posted: 8/8/2017 1:32:22 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By bigthicket:


Looks like it to me. I own one,
it's NOT for sale.
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I've heard nothing bad about those.
I need to pick one up
Link Posted: 8/8/2017 2:02:54 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/8/2017 2:17:44 PM EDT by AlphaOperator]
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Originally Posted By LightningII:
I've heard nothing bad about those.
I need to pick one up
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Originally Posted By LightningII:
Originally Posted By bigthicket:


Looks like it to me. I own one,
it's NOT for sale.
I've heard nothing bad about those.
I need to pick one up
My only reservation is that it should have a midlength gas system, otherwise I would have picked one up already.
Link Posted: 8/8/2017 2:39:47 PM EDT
The Wolf upper seems to be solid. It shoots nice groups and has been 100% since the first round.

BF, any chance of a gel test with 100 grain Wolf? The SST is what I would expect from a Hornady hunting round. Very adequate.
Link Posted: 8/8/2017 2:58:17 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/8/2017 3:00:08 PM EDT by Lug1]
These are photo's of 123gr sst in 6.5G.  Out of a JP Rifles 24" barrel with matching bolt.  I am not trying to suggest I am a top notch shooter, this was strapped into a Caldwell Lead Sled with a velcro strap.  With 25lbs of weight in the tray.  The groups I shot with wolf were CONSIDERABLY more open.  No where near the accuracy of Hornady.

5 @100 yds




5 @ 200 yds

Link Posted: 8/8/2017 2:59:30 PM EDT
That velocity seems a little paltry. Is that normal?
Link Posted: 8/8/2017 3:06:45 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By lostintejas:
The Wolf upper seems to be solid. It shoots nice groups and has been 100% since the first round.

BF, any chance of a gel test with 100 grain Wolf? The SST is what I would expect from a Hornady hunting round. Very adequate.
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Perhaps. My schedule doesn't often line up with my friend's who has that upper.
Link Posted: 8/8/2017 3:20:29 PM EDT
Great test thanks.  
Link Posted: 8/8/2017 3:20:38 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By FlatDarkEarf:
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Didn't watch but I and @buck19delta can attest to is killing Deer dead. two shots, two deer full freezer.
Link Posted: 8/8/2017 3:25:29 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/8/2017 3:29:38 PM EDT by Archangel1972]
Am I the only one wondering

why is this "Pinned"


As for the whole deer round yeah its a decent deer round but why would you want this for home defense unless you lived out in the middle of no where.

home defense for me is 12 gauge or 300 Blk backed up by 45 ACP
Link Posted: 8/8/2017 3:26:56 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Archangel1972:
Am I the only one wondering

why is this "tacked"
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YES you are.
Link Posted: 8/8/2017 3:27:25 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/8/2017 3:33:34 PM EDT by lostintejas]
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Originally Posted By FlatDarkEarf:
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A little better than I expected from a 16 in barrel. 6.5 is kinda slow. It shines because it is so efficient. This round should still be supersonic at 900 to 1000 yards.
Link Posted: 8/8/2017 3:30:02 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By lostintejas:


A little better than I expected from a 16 in barrel. 6.5 is kinda slow. It shines because it is so efficient. This round should still be supersonic at 900 to 1000 yards.
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Yup. Doesn't need to be screaming right out the gate because it's an endurance runner or a round, no a sprinter.
Link Posted: 8/8/2017 3:57:25 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By JAD762:


We're never happy.
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Ain't that the fuckin truth.
Link Posted: 8/8/2017 4:06:19 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By JoeCoastie:
Didn't watch but I and @buck19delta can attest to is killing Deer dead. two shots, two deer full freezer.
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Originally Posted By JoeCoastie:
Originally Posted By FlatDarkEarf:
That velocity seems a little paltry. Is that normal?
Didn't watch but I and @buck19delta can attest to is killing Deer dead. two shots, two deer full freezer.
Yup. Works great.
Link Posted: 8/8/2017 5:18:26 PM EDT
Nice video. Id like to see a 120g federal fusion test as well.
I have heard so many good things about this ammo, it's just too bad neither of my 6.5 grendel rifles like the Hornady factory sst rounds. I get pierced and cratered primers.
Link Posted: 8/8/2017 5:26:40 PM EDT
Could you test the cheap, lighter Wolf load you mentioned as a comparison?
Link Posted: 8/8/2017 6:52:27 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/8/2017 7:44:11 PM EDT by Gunwritr]
Here is an example of what the Hornady 123 grain SST load does in
flesh and blood at just over 100 yards. This is excellent performance. It's well suited for hunting
deer sized game and would work very well for personal protection if you
are not paranoid about over penetration. It is after all, a rifle.

Link Posted: 8/8/2017 6:57:24 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/8/2017 7:43:37 PM EDT by Gunwritr]
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Originally Posted By Paulie771:
Could you test the cheap, lighter Wolf load you mentioned as a comparison?
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I hope OP does test the 100 grain Wolf FMJ-BT load.

Wolf's 100 grain FMJ-BT bullet design was based on the 5.45x39mm 7N6 military load,
it has a high BC, is very long for its weight and the nose has a very large air cavity in it.
The air cavity pushes the weight to the rear of the bullet allowing for a rapid yaw cycle.
The end result is much improved terminal performance compared to a traditional non-fragmenting FMJ.
Due to the rapid yaw cycle it is not so velocity dependent as designs which rely on fragmentation.

I know Bill Alexander and the Barnaul engineers worked hard on this projectile design
and the end result is excellent.
Link Posted: 8/8/2017 7:25:57 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Gunwritr:
Here is an example of what the Hornady 123 grain SST load does in
flesh and blood. This is excellent performance. It's well suited for hunting
deer sized game and would work very well for personal protection if you
are not paranoid about over penetration. It is after all, a rifle.

https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/38268/IMG_1018-274250.jpg
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What was the range of that?
Link Posted: 8/8/2017 7:42:03 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By FlatDarkEarf:


What was the range of that?
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a little over 100 yards, I will edit and add it to the post.
Link Posted: 8/8/2017 8:58:23 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Gunwritr:
Here is an example of what the Hornady 123 grain SST load does in
flesh and blood at just over 100 yards. This is excellent performance. It's well suited for hunting
deer sized game and would work very well for personal protection if you
are not paranoid about over penetration. It is after all, a rifle.

https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/38268/IMG_1018-274250.jpg
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That dog is very dead. Thanks for posting.
Link Posted: 8/8/2017 9:20:37 PM EDT
I'd love to see a 100gr Wolf test as well.

Neat video, as usual.
Link Posted: 8/8/2017 9:30:20 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By FlatDarkEarf:
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In a 16" barrel that seems right. My 20" seems to get it up close to 2500, and My handloads for the 123gr class come in about the same.

As others have pointed out, it goes the distance well, at my elevation I'm supersonic to 1200 yards with the right load.
Link Posted: 8/8/2017 10:29:15 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/8/2017 10:30:20 PM EDT by LRRPF52]
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Originally Posted By dbrad197:
In a 16" barrel that seems right. My 20" seems to get it up close to 2500, and My handloads for the 123gr class come in about the same.

As others have pointed out, it goes the distance well, at my elevation I'm supersonic to 1200 yards with the right load.
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Originally Posted By dbrad197:
Originally Posted By FlatDarkEarf:
That velocity seems a little paltry. Is that normal?
In a 16" barrel that seems right. My 20" seems to get it up close to 2500, and My handloads for the 123gr class come in about the same.

As others have pointed out, it goes the distance well, at my elevation I'm supersonic to 1200 yards with the right load.
16" barrels typically will spit a 123gr Hornady SST at 2435-2480fps, depending on the barrel and temp.

Most of my 16" chronograph readings have averaged 2460fps with Hornady.

20" guns are normally 2520-2560fps with the same load.

18" are 2460-2490fps.

Doesn't matter a whole lot though because of BC.

An SBR Grendel with half the barrel length of a 20" 30-30/150gr RN still has more speed and energy at 400yds than the .30-30 does at 200yds.

Within 200yds, the Grendel has all kinds of retained energy and speeds that would normally be from a longer-barreled rifle with more case capacity and faster mv, so looking at the mv alone is very deceptive.
Link Posted: 8/8/2017 10:45:13 PM EDT
Link Posted: 8/8/2017 11:51:28 PM EDT
Brassfetcher is the original no bullshit ballistic testing.
Link Posted: 8/9/2017 12:25:02 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By bluefalcon:


That dog is very dead. Thanks for posting.
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Great test, love your stuff. Keep up the great work.
Link Posted: 8/9/2017 12:33:04 AM EDT
Blue Falcon I can supply you with 100gr Wolf 6.5 ammo whenever you are ready.
Link Posted: 8/9/2017 5:23:46 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By RIPRonReagan:
Blue Falcon I can supply you with 100gr Wolf 6.5 ammo whenever you are ready.
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Link Posted: 8/9/2017 6:29:02 AM EDT
Awesome video as always. As a grendel owner and lover i would really love to see you test out the 100gr wolf offering considering its development background.
Link Posted: 8/9/2017 7:03:55 AM EDT
Great work as always.

Let's see some Creedmoor action next.
Link Posted: 8/9/2017 7:34:59 AM EDT
Thanks for sharing this. Very interesting. I've been thinking of doing a 6.5 Grendel build someday.
Link Posted: 8/9/2017 9:09:58 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By RIPRonReagan:
Blue Falcon I can supply you with 100gr Wolf 6.5 ammo whenever you are ready.
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Lol. I know you can. Just gotta wait until the next time I meet up with that asshole who has the upper.
Link Posted: 8/9/2017 10:01:16 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By LRRPF52:

16" barrels typically will spit a 123gr Hornady SST at 2435-2480fps, depending on the barrel and temp.

Most of my 16" chronograph readings have averaged 2460fps with Hornady.

20" guns are normally 2520-2560fps with the same load.

18" are 2460-2490fps.

Doesn't matter a whole lot though because of BC.

An SBR Grendel with half the barrel length of a 20" 30-30/150gr RN still has more speed and energy at 400yds than the .30-30 does at 200yds.

Within 200yds, the Grendel has all kinds of retained energy and speeds that would normally be from a longer-barreled rifle with more case capacity and faster mv, so looking at the mv alone is very deceptive.
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Yep, learned to not even care about it except for getting good firing solutions. One of my 123gr SMK loads has exceptionally good accuracy at 2450 fps, I can get it going 100fps faster but don't even care, it hardly matters past 200y.

(everything I learned about reloading for 6.5g has been from your book, and I thankyou for that)
Link Posted: 8/9/2017 10:16:57 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By bluefalcon:


Lol. I know you can. Just gotta wait until the next time I meet up with that asshole who has the upper.
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I have a 16" 6.5 upper and some steel cased wolf, when you heading to the desert again?
Link Posted: 8/9/2017 11:01:30 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Gunwritr:
Here is an example of what the Hornady 123 grain SST load does in
flesh and blood at just over 100 yards. This is excellent performance. It's well suited for hunting
deer sized game and would work very well for personal protection if you
are not paranoid about over penetration. It is after all, a rifle.

https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/38268/IMG_1018-274250.jpg
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You shot the neighbor's dog to prove a point
Link Posted: 8/9/2017 11:02:55 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By bluefalcon:


Lol. I know you can. Just gotta wait until the next time I meet up with that asshole who has the upper.
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@bluefalcon
I might be able to provide an upper. I've got a wolf barrel and empty upper sitting around doing nothing. In fact, I might be able to send a 12.5" upper as well for comparison.

Interested?
Link Posted: 8/9/2017 11:04:40 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Gunwritr:
Here is an example of what the Hornady 123 grain SST load does in
flesh and blood at just over 100 yards. This is excellent performance. It's well suited for hunting
deer sized game and would work very well for personal protection if you
are not paranoid about over penetration. It is after all, a rifle.

https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/38268/IMG_1018-274250.jpg
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@Gunwritr

That dog just looks happy to be there.
Link Posted: 8/9/2017 11:32:08 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Chaingun:
You shot the neighbor's dog to prove a point
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Originally Posted By Chaingun:
Originally Posted By Gunwritr:
Here is an example of what the Hornady 123 grain SST load does in
flesh and blood at just over 100 yards. This is excellent performance. It's well suited for hunting
deer sized game and would work very well for personal protection if you
are not paranoid about over penetration. It is after all, a rifle.

https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/38268/IMG_1018-274250.jpg
You shot the neighbor's dog to prove a point
Well, when he shot it, it was a werewolf.

By the time he tracked it down, it had already turned back into the neighbors dog.
Link Posted: 8/9/2017 11:37:23 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By SCW:
@bluefalcon
I might be able to provide an upper. I've got a wolf barrel and empty upper sitting around doing nothing. In fact, I might be able to send a 12.5" upper as well for comparison.

Interested?
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Originally Posted By SCW:
Originally Posted By bluefalcon:


Lol. I know you can. Just gotta wait until the next time I meet up with that asshole who has the upper.
@bluefalcon
I might be able to provide an upper. I've got a wolf barrel and empty upper sitting around doing nothing. In fact, I might be able to send a 12.5" upper as well for comparison.

Interested?
doooooooooooooooo eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet
Link Posted: 8/9/2017 12:47:37 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By RIPRonReagan:
Blue Falcon I can supply you with 100gr Wolf 6.5 ammo whenever you are ready.
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Interested in seeing that as well. I shot a coyote with the Amax and it was drt, impressive wound.
Link Posted: 8/9/2017 12:55:53 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By 10mm_:
doooooooooooooooo eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet
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I have an 18 inch upper I can loan as well. I just have to get back to in in VA.
Link Posted: 8/9/2017 2:22:32 PM EDT
Wolf 100 grain FMJ-BT

DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO ITTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT

Link Posted: 8/9/2017 6:19:55 PM EDT
Nice test/demo, showing the excellent performance of the Grendel and that load.

A couple comments.

Replace body cavity for gel, and that's just lethal as hell.

What brass catcher is that? I would like to have one of them.

Thanks.
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