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Posted: 8/11/2011 4:02:19 PM EDT
From Reason.com





Someone has to be pretty deep in the Land of Denial to spin the
Wisconsin recall elections as good news for Democrats. But the
Daily Kos’ Markos Moulitsas rose to the occasion yesterday.



The Daily Kos is entitled to its dreams, but here are the six
random lessons of the Badger State’s elections for the
reality-bound:




  • One: Never mis-underestimate the capacity of an ex-wife to screw
    you.




  • Two: Democrats whom Republicans have targeted for recall next
    Tuesday should be afraid, very afraid.




  • Three: Regardless of the outcome of next week’s recall
    elections, the state legislature will remain in Republican hands
    along with the Supreme Court. This means that the Dems have zero to
    nil chance of wresting back the collective bargaining rights of
    public unions that Governor Scott Walker took away.




  • Four: Given that this is the second defeat for Wisconsin
    Democrats, a successful recall against Walker next year is likely
    dead in the water.




  • Five: Even though Walker is not unscathed, the fact that he took
    on the public union juggernaut and is still standing to tell the
    tale will embolden Republican governors in other states such as
    Nevada, Ohio and Michigan to take on their unions. This could be
    the beginning of the end of the public unions, precisely the
    outcome that these elections were supposed to avert.




  • Six: Voters don’t give a
    rat’s ass
    about the Kochtopus-Walker non-connection.








Link Posted: 8/11/2011 4:07:21 PM EDT
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i wish dloken was still on here










Link Posted: 8/11/2011 4:08:18 PM EDT
[#2]





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i wish dloken was still on here

















Me too. Seriously.



ETA: Why did he get banned?





 
Link Posted: 8/11/2011 4:11:09 PM EDT
[#3]
Quoted:

Quoted:

i wish dloken was still on here





Me too. Seriously.

ETA: Why did he get banned?
 


I'm wondering that too
Link Posted: 8/11/2011 4:12:04 PM EDT
[#4]
Quoted:

Quoted:

i wish dloken was still on here





Me too. Seriously.

ETA: Why did he get banned?
 


I think it was because he posted a very distastefull pic of Jesus.
Link Posted: 8/11/2011 4:12:34 PM EDT
[#5]







hope is out there.
Link Posted: 8/11/2011 4:14:15 PM EDT
[#6]

Link Posted: 8/11/2011 4:21:23 PM EDT
[#7]
Good
It appears enough people in WI didn't buy the union bullshit, even though they spent a metric shit ton of money on the recall.
Link Posted: 8/11/2011 4:24:09 PM EDT
[#8]



Quoted:




i wish dloken was still on here











huh....I guess I can take him off of my ignore list then.








 
Link Posted: 8/11/2011 4:25:40 PM EDT
[#9]
Quoted:
From Reason.com





Someone has to be pretty deep in the Land of Denial to spin theWisconsin recall elections as good news for Democrats. But theDaily Kos’ Markos Moulitsas rose to the occasion yesterday.

The Daily Kos is entitled to its dreams, but here are the sixrandom lessons of the Badger State’s elections for thereality-bound:

  • One: Never mis-underestimate the capacity of an ex-wife to screwyou.
  • Two: Democrats whom Republicans have targeted for recall nextTuesday should be afraid, very afraid.
  • Three: Regardless of the outcome of next week’s recallelections, the state legislature will remain in Republican handsalong with the Supreme Court. This means that the Dems have zero tonil chance of wresting back the collective bargaining rights ofpublic unions that Governor Scott Walker took away.
  • Four: Given that this is the second defeat for WisconsinDemocrats, a successful recall against Walker next year is likelydead in the water.
  • Five: Even though Walker is not unscathed, the fact that he tookon the public union juggernaut and is still standing to tell thetale will embolden Republican governors in other states such asNevada, Ohio and Michigan to take on their unions. This could bethe beginning of the end of the public unions, precisely theoutcome that these elections were supposed to avert.
  • Six: Voters don’t give a rat’s ass about the Kochtopus-Walker non-connection.







While I'm not exactly thrilled with Snyder, I'm keeping my fingers crossed.
Link Posted: 8/11/2011 4:25:53 PM EDT
[#10]
Quoted:
Good
It appears enough people in WI didn't buy the union bullshit, even though they spent a metric shit ton of money on the recall.

Good...more money they waste on these endeavours...the less they will have for the big dance in 2012

Link Posted: 8/11/2011 4:26:27 PM EDT
[#11]
Just a speed-bump to the big $ unions...They are going after the Governor himself next even though he fixed the State's budget by doing the right thing and is doing a great job at it).
I believe recalling the Governor comes down to a popular vote versus by district as recalling the assemblymen did.
If it is a popular vote for the recall, I believe he will more than likely get recalled. Green Bay and Madison are pretty liberal. I'd bet money that the Republicans that did get recalled are from those districts.

Remember, to the unions this is their Waterloo.
Link Posted: 8/11/2011 4:27:34 PM EDT
[#12]
The death of "hope" .
Link Posted: 8/11/2011 4:27:56 PM EDT
[#13]
But what will we ever do without unions?

We are all going to die!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Link Posted: 8/11/2011 4:30:51 PM EDT
[#14]
Quoted:
But what will we ever do without unions?

We are all going to die!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Well...wages will go down, working conditions will deteriorate, OSHA will be disbanded, children will be once again used for labor, people will not be treated fairly, nobody will be promised unsustainable pensions...
You got it right, we are all going to die.

Unions are a form of socialism, plain and simple. We are right, they are wrong, there can be no denying the truth!
Link Posted: 8/11/2011 4:36:57 PM EDT
[#15]
Quoted:
The death of "hope" .


Link Posted: 8/11/2011 4:38:36 PM EDT
[#16]







Link Posted: 8/11/2011 4:39:25 PM EDT
[#17]
AND were getting CCW...

fuck yeah....
Link Posted: 8/11/2011 4:40:17 PM EDT
[#18]


This isn't death for the concept of unions.  It is a death blow to the concept of forced unionization.
Link Posted: 8/11/2011 4:41:45 PM EDT
[#19]
I am quite surprised by these results.  It would appear to change the game in Ohio as well.  The Kasich hate seems very strong after he did the same.  I wonder if that will actually translate into trouble for him the next go around.  This election indicates it may not be as certain as it seemed a week ago.

Link Posted: 8/11/2011 4:42:18 PM EDT
[#20]
Damn straight we voted the way we did!
Link Posted: 8/11/2011 4:42:30 PM EDT
[#21]


HAHA!  That logo looks like someone pissing on a cheerio.  Priceless.
Link Posted: 8/11/2011 4:42:59 PM EDT
[#22]
Of course, the other way of looking at it is that Dems managed to hold 6 recalls in a state with a very high % of signatures required to even hold a recall.  When that recall happened, Repubs lost one-third of the people eligible for recall.  This leaves Repubs with only a 1-seat majority.  So, power has shifted from Walker's perceived far-right agenda to the hands of moderate Repubs who have already been traveling around the state, arm-in-arm with Democrats, asking for bipartisanship.  So Walker can't get anything else rubber-stamped, as he could before now.  This will be big in education reform, mining reforms, and more.

Politics––it's all about the spin.
Link Posted: 8/11/2011 4:47:38 PM EDT
[#23]
 "Hope Flourishes for Wisconsin as Voters Reject Unions"

FIFY
Link Posted: 8/11/2011 4:49:01 PM EDT
[#24]
has anyone noticed our board Union members have largely disappeared?  

You would think that if they would stand up for what they beleived in.  I have yet to hear ONE post non-BS answers as to why unions are good.............

maybe they are just in it for the personal gain at the expense of the country
Link Posted: 8/11/2011 4:56:28 PM EDT
[#25]
Quoted:
has anyone noticed our board Union members have largely disappeared?  

You would think that if they would stand up for what they beleived in.  I have yet to hear ONE post non-BS answers as to why unions are good.............

maybe they are just in it for the personal gain at the expense of the country


Nah, there's still two or three hardcore union defenders around.
Link Posted: 8/11/2011 4:58:20 PM EDT
[#26]
Quoted:
has anyone noticed our board Union members have largely disappeared?  

You would think that if they would stand up for what they beleived in.  I have yet to hear ONE post non-BS answers as to why unions are good.............

maybe they are just in it for the personal gain at the expense of the country


There were some in the election night threads
Link Posted: 8/11/2011 5:02:53 PM EDT
[#27]
Union Response.











Link Posted: 8/11/2011 6:14:02 PM EDT
[#28]
Quoted:
Quoted:
From Reason.com





Someone has to be pretty deep in the Land of Denial to spin theWisconsin recall elections as good news for Democrats. But theDaily Kos’ Markos Moulitsas rose to the occasion yesterday.

The Daily Kos is entitled to its dreams, but here are the sixrandom lessons of the Badger State’s elections for thereality-bound:

  • One: Never mis-underestimate the capacity of an ex-wife to screwyou.
  • Two: Democrats whom Republicans have targeted for recall nextTuesday should be afraid, very afraid.
  • Three: Regardless of the outcome of next week’s recallelections, the state legislature will remain in Republican handsalong with the Supreme Court. This means that the Dems have zero tonil chance of wresting back the collective bargaining rights ofpublic unions that Governor Scott Walker took away.
  • Four: Given that this is the second defeat for WisconsinDemocrats, a successful recall against Walker next year is likelydead in the water.
  • Five: Even though Walker is not unscathed, the fact that he tookon the public union juggernaut and is still standing to tell thetale will embolden Republican governors in other states such asNevada, Ohio and Michigan to take on their unions. This could bethe beginning of the end of the public unions, precisely theoutcome that these elections were supposed to avert.
  • Six: Voters don’t give a rat’s ass about the Kochtopus-Walker non-connection.







While I'm not exactly thrilled with Snyder, I'm keeping my fingers crossed.


Snyder already did in essence what Walker did...With a lot more stealth. The new EFM law achieves just about all the objectives of Walker's new law. Further, in Wisconsin public unions had even more power than they did here.

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Link Posted: 8/11/2011 6:15:45 PM EDT
[#29]
Quoted:
Just a speed-bump to the big $ unions...They are going after the Governor himself next even though he fixed the State's budget by doing the right thing and is doing a great job at it).
I believe recalling the Governor comes down to a popular vote versus by district as recalling the assemblymen did.
If it is a popular vote for the recall, I believe he will more than likely get recalled. Green Bay and Madison are pretty liberal. I'd bet money that the Republicans that did get recalled are from those districts.

Remember, to the unions this is their Waterloo.


They tried it in Michigan and couldn't even get it on the ballot. Walker will likely face an actual election but he will not be recalled.

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Link Posted: 8/11/2011 6:21:29 PM EDT
[#30]




Quoted:

I am quite surprised by these results. It would appear to change the game in Ohio as well. The Kasich hate seems very strong after he did the same. I wonder if that will actually translate into trouble for him the next go around. This election indicates it may not be as certain as it seemed a week ago.







Everything comes and goes pretty quickly nowdays.



A few months ago democrats were saying Obama was unbeatable due to the Bin Laden killing. Now some of them are saying he should face another democrat in the primary.
Link Posted: 8/11/2011 6:22:39 PM EDT
[#31]




Quoted:

Of course, the other way of looking at it is that Dems managed to hold 6 recalls in a state with a very high % of signatures required to even hold a recall. When that recall happened, Repubs lost one-third of the people eligible for recall. This leaves Repubs with only a 1-seat majority. So, power has shifted from Walker's perceived far-right agenda to the hands of moderate Repubs who have already been traveling around the state, arm-in-arm with Democrats, asking for bipartisanship. So Walker can't get anything else rubber-stamped, as he could before now. This will be big in education reform, mining reforms, and more.



Politics––it's all about the spin.




I like the spin that unions spent upwards of $30 million for no real gains, $30 million that won't be used somewhere else in an election.
Link Posted: 8/11/2011 6:27:00 PM EDT
[#32]
I think there are some dems set to be re-called in a couple of weeks !

Fuck yeah !

Link Posted: 8/11/2011 9:01:19 PM EDT
[#33]
Quoted:
Of course, the other way of looking at it is that Dems managed to hold 6 recalls in a state with a very high % of signatures required to even hold a recall.  When that recall happened, Repubs lost one-third of the people eligible for recall.  This leaves Repubs with only a 1-seat majority.  So, power has shifted from Walker's perceived far-right agenda to the hands of moderate Repubs who have already been traveling around the state, arm-in-arm with Democrats, asking for bipartisanship.  So Walker can't get anything else rubber-stamped, as he could before now.  This will be big in education reform, mining reforms, and more.

Politics––it's all about the spin.


Oh please; of the two Republicans that lost, one was in a very liberal district to begin with and the other had some significant personal life issues that hurt him.

The Republicans will pick up one seat next week (possibly two) and the net result will be a wash or a loss of one seat.  Hardly something that is going to cripple Walker or the Republicans.  

Even if the Democrats manage to get a recall election against Walker next year it is highly unlikely that he will be recalled.  But by all means go ahead and keep up the recalls.  The people are already tired of having special elections every few months and spending millions of dollars just because a few union folks want to keep having temper tantrums.
Link Posted: 8/11/2011 9:08:41 PM EDT
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  • Five: Even though Walker is not unscathed, the fact that he took on the public union juggernaut and is still standing to tell the tale will embolden Republican governors in other states such as Nevada, Ohio and Michigan to take on their unions. This could be the beginning of the end of the public unions, precisely the outcome that these elections were supposed to avert.









GOOD!



Mandatory Unions are the exact OPPOSITE of a free society.
 
Link Posted: 8/11/2011 9:14:02 PM EDT
[#35]





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This isn't death for the concept of unions.  It is a death blow to the concept of forced unionization.






Exactly.
I have no issues with Unions in theory. If a bunch of people want to get together and bargain with their employer then I support their right to do so. Where it crosses my line is when the government forces companies to sit down with said union or (this is a big one) public sector unions that bargain against the people. The people shouldn't be held hostage by those they pay to deliver the things that make cities run.  





People should be able to unionize and employers should be able to kick every last one of them to the curb without ever having to sit down at a table with them. Want to start a union? Go ahead take your chance, but the government wont be their to strong arm for you.




 
 
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