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Posted: 8/11/2011 4:02:19 PM EDT
From Reason.com
Someone has to be pretty deep in the Land of Denial to spin the Wisconsin recall elections as good news for Democrats. But the Daily Kos’ Markos Moulitsas rose to the occasion yesterday. The Daily Kos is entitled to its dreams, but here are the six random lessons of the Badger State’s elections for the reality-bound:
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Posted: 8/11/2011 4:07:21 PM EDT
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i wish dloken was still on here   |
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Posted: 8/11/2011 4:08:18 PM EDT
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Quoted: i wish dloken was still on here Me too. Seriously. ETA: Why did he get banned? |
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Posted: 8/11/2011 4:11:09 PM EDT
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i wish dloken was still on here
Me too. Seriously. ETA: Why did he get banned? I'm wondering that too |
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Posted: 8/11/2011 4:12:04 PM EDT
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i wish dloken was still on here
Me too. Seriously. ETA: Why did he get banned? I think it was because he posted a very distastefull pic of Jesus. |
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Posted: 8/11/2011 4:12:34 PM EDT
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 hope is out there.
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Posted: 8/11/2011 4:14:15 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/11/2011 4:21:23 PM EDT
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Good
It appears enough people in WI didn't buy the union bullshit, even though they spent a metric shit ton of money on the recall. |
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Posted: 8/11/2011 4:24:09 PM EDT
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Quoted: i wish dloken was still on here huh....I guess I can take him off of my ignore list then. |
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Posted: 8/11/2011 4:25:40 PM EDT
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From Reason.com Someone has to be pretty deep in the Land of Denial to spin theWisconsin recall elections as good news for Democrats. But theDaily Kos’ Markos Moulitsas rose to the occasion yesterday.
The Daily Kos is entitled to its dreams, but here are the sixrandom lessons of the Badger State’s elections for thereality-bound:
While I'm not exactly thrilled with Snyder, I'm keeping my fingers crossed. |
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Posted: 8/11/2011 4:25:53 PM EDT
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Good It appears enough people in WI didn't buy the union bullshit, even though they spent a metric shit ton of money on the recall. Good...more money they waste on these endeavours...the less they will have for the big dance in 2012 |
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Posted: 8/11/2011 4:26:27 PM EDT
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Just a speed-bump to the big $ unions...They are going after the Governor himself next even though he fixed the State's budget by doing the right thing and is doing a great job at it).
I believe recalling the Governor comes down to a popular vote versus by district as recalling the assemblymen did. If it is a popular vote for the recall, I believe he will more than likely get recalled. Green Bay and Madison are pretty liberal. I'd bet money that the Republicans that did get recalled are from those districts. Remember, to the unions this is their Waterloo. |
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Posted: 8/11/2011 4:27:34 PM EDT
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The death of "hope" .
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Posted: 8/11/2011 4:27:56 PM EDT
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But what will we ever do without unions?
We are all going to die!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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Posted: 8/11/2011 4:30:51 PM EDT
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But what will we ever do without unions? We are all going to die!!!!!!!!!!!!! Well...wages will go down, working conditions will deteriorate, OSHA will be disbanded, children will be once again used for labor, people will not be treated fairly, nobody will be promised unsustainable pensions... You got it right, we are all going to die. Unions are a form of socialism, plain and simple. We are right, they are wrong, there can be no denying the truth! |
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Posted: 8/11/2011 4:36:57 PM EDT
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The death of "hope" .
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Posted: 8/11/2011 4:38:36 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/11/2011 4:39:25 PM EDT
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AND were getting CCW...
fuck yeah.... |
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Posted: 8/11/2011 4:40:17 PM EDT
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This isn't death for the concept of unions. It is a death blow to the concept of forced unionization. |
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Posted: 8/11/2011 4:41:45 PM EDT
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I am quite surprised by these results. It would appear to change the game in Ohio as well. The Kasich hate seems very strong after he did the same. I wonder if that will actually translate into trouble for him the next go around. This election indicates it may not be as certain as it seemed a week ago.
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Posted: 8/11/2011 4:42:18 PM EDT
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Damn straight we voted the way we did!
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Posted: 8/11/2011 4:42:30 PM EDT
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HAHA! That logo looks like someone pissing on a cheerio. Priceless. |
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Posted: 8/11/2011 4:42:59 PM EDT
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Of course, the other way of looking at it is that Dems managed to hold 6 recalls in a state with a very high % of signatures required to even hold a recall. When that recall happened, Repubs lost one-third of the people eligible for recall. This leaves Repubs with only a 1-seat majority. So, power has shifted from Walker's perceived far-right agenda to the hands of moderate Repubs who have already been traveling around the state, arm-in-arm with Democrats, asking for bipartisanship. So Walker can't get anything else rubber-stamped, as he could before now. This will be big in education reform, mining reforms, and more.
Politics––it's all about the spin. |
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Posted: 8/11/2011 4:47:38 PM EDT
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"Hope Flourishes for Wisconsin as Voters Reject Unions"
FIFY |
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Posted: 8/11/2011 4:49:01 PM EDT
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has anyone noticed our board Union members have largely disappeared?
You would think that if they would stand up for what they beleived in. I have yet to hear ONE post non-BS answers as to why unions are good............. maybe they are just in it for the personal gain at the expense of the country |
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Posted: 8/11/2011 4:56:28 PM EDT
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has anyone noticed our board Union members have largely disappeared? You would think that if they would stand up for what they beleived in. I have yet to hear ONE post non-BS answers as to why unions are good............. maybe they are just in it for the personal gain at the expense of the country Nah, there's still two or three hardcore union defenders around. |
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Posted: 8/11/2011 4:58:20 PM EDT
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has anyone noticed our board Union members have largely disappeared? You would think that if they would stand up for what they beleived in. I have yet to hear ONE post non-BS answers as to why unions are good............. maybe they are just in it for the personal gain at the expense of the country There were some in the election night threads |
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Posted: 8/11/2011 5:02:53 PM EDT
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Union Response.
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Posted: 8/11/2011 6:14:02 PM EDT
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From Reason.com Someone has to be pretty deep in the Land of Denial to spin theWisconsin recall elections as good news for Democrats. But theDaily Kos’ Markos Moulitsas rose to the occasion yesterday.
The Daily Kos is entitled to its dreams, but here are the sixrandom lessons of the Badger State’s elections for thereality-bound:
While I'm not exactly thrilled with Snyder, I'm keeping my fingers crossed. Snyder already did in essence what Walker did...With a lot more stealth. The new EFM law achieves just about all the objectives of Walker's new law. Further, in Wisconsin public unions had even more power than they did here. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 8/11/2011 6:15:45 PM EDT
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Just a speed-bump to the big $ unions...They are going after the Governor himself next even though he fixed the State's budget by doing the right thing and is doing a great job at it). I believe recalling the Governor comes down to a popular vote versus by district as recalling the assemblymen did. If it is a popular vote for the recall, I believe he will more than likely get recalled. Green Bay and Madison are pretty liberal. I'd bet money that the Republicans that did get recalled are from those districts. Remember, to the unions this is their Waterloo. They tried it in Michigan and couldn't even get it on the ballot. Walker will likely face an actual election but he will not be recalled. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 8/11/2011 6:21:29 PM EDT
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Quoted: I am quite surprised by these results. It would appear to change the game in Ohio as well. The Kasich hate seems very strong after he did the same. I wonder if that will actually translate into trouble for him the next go around. This election indicates it may not be as certain as it seemed a week ago. Everything comes and goes pretty quickly nowdays. A few months ago democrats were saying Obama was unbeatable due to the Bin Laden killing. Now some of them are saying he should face another democrat in the primary. |
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Posted: 8/11/2011 6:22:39 PM EDT
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Quoted: Of course, the other way of looking at it is that Dems managed to hold 6 recalls in a state with a very high % of signatures required to even hold a recall. When that recall happened, Repubs lost one-third of the people eligible for recall. This leaves Repubs with only a 1-seat majority. So, power has shifted from Walker's perceived far-right agenda to the hands of moderate Repubs who have already been traveling around the state, arm-in-arm with Democrats, asking for bipartisanship. So Walker can't get anything else rubber-stamped, as he could before now. This will be big in education reform, mining reforms, and more. Politics––it's all about the spin. I like the spin that unions spent upwards of $30 million for no real gains, $30 million that won't be used somewhere else in an election. |
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Posted: 8/11/2011 6:27:00 PM EDT
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I think there are some dems set to be re-called in a couple of weeks !
Fuck yeah !
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Posted: 8/11/2011 9:01:19 PM EDT
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Of course, the other way of looking at it is that Dems managed to hold 6 recalls in a state with a very high % of signatures required to even hold a recall. When that recall happened, Repubs lost one-third of the people eligible for recall. This leaves Repubs with only a 1-seat majority. So, power has shifted from Walker's perceived far-right agenda to the hands of moderate Repubs who have already been traveling around the state, arm-in-arm with Democrats, asking for bipartisanship. So Walker can't get anything else rubber-stamped, as he could before now. This will be big in education reform, mining reforms, and more. Politics––it's all about the spin. Oh please; of the two Republicans that lost, one was in a very liberal district to begin with and the other had some significant personal life issues that hurt him. The Republicans will pick up one seat next week (possibly two) and the net result will be a wash or a loss of one seat. Hardly something that is going to cripple Walker or the Republicans. Even if the Democrats manage to get a recall election against Walker next year it is highly unlikely that he will be recalled. But by all means go ahead and keep up the recalls. The people are already tired of having special elections every few months and spending millions of dollars just because a few union folks want to keep having temper tantrums. |
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Posted: 8/11/2011 9:08:41 PM EDT
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GOOD! Mandatory Unions are the exact OPPOSITE of a free society. |
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Posted: 8/11/2011 9:14:02 PM EDT
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Quoted: This isn't death for the concept of unions. It is a death blow to the concept of forced unionization. Exactly. I have no issues with Unions in theory. If a bunch of people want to get together and bargain with their employer then I support their right to do so. Where it crosses my line is when the government forces companies to sit down with said union or (this is a big one) public sector unions that bargain against the people. The people shouldn't be held hostage by those they pay to deliver the things that make cities run. People should be able to unionize and employers should be able to kick every last one of them to the curb without ever having to sit down at a table with them. Want to start a union? Go ahead take your chance, but the government wont be their to strong arm for you. |
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