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Posted: 12/16/2010 7:27:41 AM EDT
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CS gas.
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Posted: 12/16/2010 7:28:47 AM EDT
[#2]
Birdshot. The answer is always birdshot. |
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Posted: 12/16/2010 7:29:17 AM EDT
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The fragible rounds, the pistol rounds are made with sintered metal, but you will still have some penetration of walls if you miss the BG.
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Posted: 12/16/2010 7:29:28 AM EDT
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Harsh words and a golf club.
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Posted: 12/16/2010 7:31:02 AM EDT
[#5]
Tag for ensuing hilarity
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Posted: 12/16/2010 7:31:06 AM EDT
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.45 ain't going to stop this. Are you really prepared to leave your family open to bird attacks?
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Posted: 12/16/2010 7:36:32 AM EDT
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As the new and proud owner of a 12 gauge Shotgun, I have to say the Shotgun. Here is the deal man, Buckshot is the best medicine for home intruders, if you afraid that will be too much or will penetrate walls that you don't want it too, then do this...
First round, bird shot rest of the rounds, buck shot this way the bird shot will do an ok job and hopefully will be enough. it will definately not penetrate walls in case of a miss or something, then after that your follow up rounds will be buck shot and if you need those then you should not be missing and there won't be a problem. remember, practice makes perfect. |
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Posted: 12/16/2010 7:37:18 AM EDT
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The fragible rounds, the pistol rounds are made with sintered metal, but you will still have some penetration of walls if you miss the BG. That is a very bad idea; those rounds get inferior penetration, which is a bad thing if you are trying to stop someone from doing you or your family harm. A round that meets the FBI minimum 12" penetration will pose a danger to family members in other rooms if you miss. A round that does not meet the FBI minimum may still pose danger to family members, but is far less effective at stopping the threat. |
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Posted: 12/16/2010 7:38:48 AM EDT
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As the new and proud owner of a 12 gauge Shotgun, I have to say the Shotgun. Here is the deal man, Buckshot is the best medicine for home intruders, if you afraid that will be too much or will penetrate walls that you don't want it too, then do this... First round, bird shot rest of the rounds, buck shot this way the bird shot will do an ok job and hopefully will be enough. it will definately not penetrate walls in case of a miss or something, then after that your follow up rounds will be buck shot and if you need those then you should not be missing and there won't be a problem. remember, practice makes perfect. Why would you want the first round, which could be the only round you fire, to be an ineffective one? If you are using a shotgun, buckshot is the answer. ETA - spend some time reading the links and info here to educate yourself: |
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Posted: 12/16/2010 7:38:56 AM EDT
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Not shooting toward your family members is your best bet.
There is no denying that beyond a certain distance, birdhshot will penetrate less than a heavier projectile(s). However, this includes the bad guy. At 10 feet, birdshot would be fine. From my bedroom doorway, down the hall to the far side of my kitchen, I don’t want birdshot. My personal nightstand gun is my primary carry gun, Glock 19. I also have an 870 full of 00 buck w/ 4 extra 00 buck in the sidesaddle next to 2 1 oz slugs. I also have my primary AR with a pmag full of 50 gr JHP. A light bullet moving very fast will fragment better than a heavier, slower bullet when shot through sheet rock, studs, etc. We do all of this pissing back and forth when each of us could build some mock wall panels out of studs and sheet rock for $20 and try it ourselves. These results are based on my own tests, not gun shop wisdom. |
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Posted: 12/16/2010 7:39:32 AM EDT
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Quoted:
As the new and proud owner of a 12 gauge Shotgun, I have to say the Shotgun. Here is the deal man, Buckshot is the best medicine for home intruders, if you afraid that will be too much or will penetrate walls that you don't want it too, then do this... First round, bird shot rest of the rounds, buck shot this way the bird shot will do an ok job and hopefully will be enough. it will definately not penetrate walls in case of a miss or something, then after that your follow up rounds will be buck shot and if you need those then you should not be missing and there won't be a problem. remember, practice makes perfect. Using birdshot is unlikely to kill or even physically incapacitate an intruder, so why handicap yourself one shot? |
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Posted: 12/16/2010 7:39:34 AM EDT
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A pair of Presa Canarios.
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Posted: 12/16/2010 7:42:27 AM EDT
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10mm.
I would say keep the family in kevlar, but it won't do any good. |
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Posted: 12/16/2010 7:43:12 AM EDT
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Posted: 12/16/2010 7:45:40 AM EDT
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AR15 is your best bet for HD.
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Posted: 12/16/2010 7:46:22 AM EDT
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Hollow point or fragmenting bullets, accurate shot placement, and target identification.
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Posted: 12/16/2010 7:46:26 AM EDT
[#17]
12 gauge.
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Posted: 12/16/2010 7:47:23 AM EDT
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AR15 is your best bet for HD. This. ETA: Long gun accuracy + bullets that fragment/tumble quickly = good HD gun |
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Posted: 12/16/2010 7:47:37 AM EDT
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As the new and proud owner of a 12 gauge Shotgun, I have to say the Shotgun. Here is the deal man, Buckshot is the best medicine for home intruders, if you afraid that will be too much or will penetrate walls that you don't want it too, then do this... First round, bird shot rest of the rounds, buck shot this way the bird shot will do an ok job and hopefully will be enough. it will definately not penetrate walls in case of a miss or something, then after that your follow up rounds will be buck shot and if you need those then you should not be missing and there won't be a problem. remember, practice makes perfect. Using birdshot is unlikely to kill or even physically incapacitate an intruder, so why handicap yourself one shot? I personally only use bucksot, and agree with you that the first shot is what counts, but my advice was taking into consideration the posters fear of hitting the wrong person though a wall or something. Like I said, practice makes perfect, and after you are confident with your weapon then bird shot is not necessary, but it may be the best way for him to starte if he is new to using a shotgun and has really thin walls or something. |
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Posted: 12/16/2010 7:47:42 AM EDT
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Quoted:
As the new and proud owner of a 12 gauge Shotgun, I have to say the Shotgun. Here is the deal man, Buckshot is the best medicine for home intruders, if you afraid that will be too much or will penetrate walls that you don't want it too, then do this... First round, bird shot rest of the rounds, buck shot this way the bird shot will do an ok job and hopefully will be enough. it will definately not penetrate walls in case of a miss or something, then after that your follow up rounds will be buck shot and if you need those then you should not be missing and there won't be a problem. remember, practice makes perfect. Have you ever shot birdshot in to or through a wall? |
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Posted: 12/16/2010 7:47:55 AM EDT
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A sawed off Barrett .50 would do.
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Posted: 12/16/2010 7:48:23 AM EDT
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Quoted: Especially if you don't want to be able to hear anything for about 2 weeks after the shooting.Quoted: AR15 is your best bet for HD. This. |
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Posted: 12/16/2010 7:50:20 AM EDT
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I just up-armored my walls. You guys make things complicated.
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Posted: 12/16/2010 7:54:32 AM EDT
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Especially if you don't want to be able to hear anything for about 2 weeks after the shooting.Quoted:
AR15 is your best bet for HD. This.
Add a suppressor. |
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Posted: 12/16/2010 7:55:54 AM EDT
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Especially if you don't want to be able to hear anything for about 2 weeks after the shooting.Quoted:
AR15 is your best bet for HD. This.
Add a suppressor. Or electronic ear pro so you can hear the cocksuckers feet moving across the carpet. 
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Posted: 12/16/2010 7:59:29 AM EDT
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Not shooting toward your family members is your best bet. There is no denying that beyond a certain distance, birdhshot will penetrate less than a heavier projectile(s). However, this includes the bad guy. At 10 feet, birdshot would be fine. From my bedroom doorway, down the hall to the far side of my kitchen, I don’t want birdshot. My personal nightstand gun is my primary carry gun, Glock 19. I also have an 870 full of 00 buck w/ 4 extra 00 buck in the sidesaddle next to 2 1 oz slugs. I also have my primary AR with a pmag full of 50 gr JHP. A light bullet moving very fast will fragment better than a heavier, slower bullet when shot through sheet rock, studs, etc. We do all of this pissing back and forth when each of us could build some mock wall panels out of studs and sheet rock for $20 and try it ourselves. These results are based on my own tests, not gun shop wisdom. No it wouldn't. "Might" birdshot work as a defensive load?
Sure, it "might" and sometimes has worked just fine. But why take the chance with "might work", when "will work" is available? Buckshot is readily available, so why not use the "best" available load? Would larger birdshot penetrate better than smaller birdshot? Yes, it will. Penetration is a factor of the mass of each individual pellet, and the larger the individual pellet, the greater the penetration, if the velocity is the same. So, #6 birdshot will penetrate more than #9 birdshot, and so on. But no birdshot will reach the 12 inches of penetration required to be effective. Wouldn't a load of birdshot "act like" a slug at close range? No, it will not. For instance, each pellet of #6 shot weighs approximately 1.8 grains. If there are 333 #6 pellets in a shotgun shell, the total weight of the birdshot is 600 grains. Some folks have mistakenly said, "A load of #6 is like getting shot with a solid piece of lead weighing 600 grains". But this is not the case. This is because that 600 grain load is composed of 333 individual #6 sized shot, each weighing 1.8 grains. And the penetration of the shot is dependant on the weight of "each pellet", not the total weight. And a 1.8 grain pellet will not penetrate very far into ballistic gelatin or a bad guy. from the Defensive Ammo Shotgun FAQ |
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Posted: 12/16/2010 8:56:06 AM EDT
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Quoted:
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Not shooting toward your family members is your best bet. There is no denying that beyond a certain distance, birdhshot will penetrate less than a heavier projectile(s). However, this includes the bad guy. At 10 feet, birdshot would be fine. From my bedroom doorway, down the hall to the far side of my kitchen, I don’t want birdshot. My personal nightstand gun is my primary carry gun, Glock 19. I also have an 870 full of 00 buck w/ 4 extra 00 buck in the sidesaddle next to 2 1 oz slugs. I also have my primary AR with a pmag full of 50 gr JHP. A light bullet moving very fast will fragment better than a heavier, slower bullet when shot through sheet rock, studs, etc. We do all of this pissing back and forth when each of us could build some mock wall panels out of studs and sheet rock for $20 and try it ourselves. These results are based on my own tests, not gun shop wisdom. No it wouldn't. "Might" birdshot work as a defensive load?
Sure, it "might" and sometimes has worked just fine. But why take the chance with "might work", when "will work" is available? Buckshot is readily available, so why not use the "best" available load? Would larger birdshot penetrate better than smaller birdshot? Yes, it will. Penetration is a factor of the mass of each individual pellet, and the larger the individual pellet, the greater the penetration, if the velocity is the same. So, #6 birdshot will penetrate more than #9 birdshot, and so on. But no birdshot will reach the 12 inches of penetration required to be effective. Wouldn't a load of birdshot "act like" a slug at close range? No, it will not. For instance, each pellet of #6 shot weighs approximately 1.8 grains. If there are 333 #6 pellets in a shotgun shell, the total weight of the birdshot is 600 grains. Some folks have mistakenly said, "A load of #6 is like getting shot with a solid piece of lead weighing 600 grains". But this is not the case. This is because that 600 grain load is composed of 333 individual #6 sized shot, each weighing 1.8 grains. And the penetration of the shot is dependant on the weight of "each pellet", not the total weight. And a 1.8 grain pellet will not penetrate very far into ballistic gelatin or a bad guy. from the Defensive Ammo Shotgun FAQ GTFO with all your numbers and data
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Posted: 12/16/2010 9:01:01 AM EDT
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1. Replace all the shitty wood paneling in your double-wide with armor plating.
2. Load only the heaviest, most destructive loads for all calibers you own. 3. ? 4. Profit |
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Posted: 12/16/2010 9:12:01 AM EDT
[#29]
Don't miss.
I like a handgun with mounted light for primary. I can slip it in my waste band and slip outside without looking like a nut with a slung AR15. AR15 close by for backup. |
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Posted: 12/16/2010 9:15:37 AM EDT
[#30]
I use my Glock as primary home defense.
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Posted: 12/16/2010 9:17:39 AM EDT
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Angry dogs that shoot bees out of their mouths.
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Posted: 12/16/2010 9:33:23 AM EDT
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Molotov Cocktail.
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Posted: 12/16/2010 9:33:33 AM EDT
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A sawed off Barrett .50 would do. I would only add, maybe do a little "filing down" of the fireing pin as a back up. |
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Posted: 12/16/2010 9:34:57 AM EDT
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One of the basic rules of gun safety is to always be sure of your target and what's beyond before you fire.
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Posted: 12/16/2010 9:36:04 AM EDT
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If serious: An AR-15 is a great home defense weapon. Check out the Ammo FAQ in the Ammo subsection of the AR-15 Technical Discussions fora.
If not serious: I like the dogs shooting angry bees out of their mouths. |
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Posted: 12/16/2010 9:48:29 AM EDT
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carbine > shotgun > handgun
(generally speaking,of course) Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 12/16/2010 9:54:46 AM EDT
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Mini sharks with lasers on their heads living in the toilets. Sucks that you'll have to poop in the sink, but security is all about trade-offs.
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Posted: 12/16/2010 9:57:51 AM EDT
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What you need is some of these, ballistic wall panels. Never worry about shooting through walls again.
http://armorco.com/shop/category.aspx?catid=3 |
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Posted: 12/16/2010 9:59:09 AM EDT
[#39]
Have your family members sleep in kevlar crypts.
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Posted: 12/16/2010 10:00:42 AM EDT
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Belt fed banana launcher FTW.
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Posted: 12/16/2010 10:01:19 AM EDT
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Posted: 12/16/2010 10:05:43 AM EDT
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USP.45 for me, but the likelihood of every using it is pretty slim in my neighborhood.
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Posted: 12/16/2010 10:05:43 AM EDT
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Paging O_P to the white courtesy phone...
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Posted: 12/16/2010 10:10:42 AM EDT
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A sawed off Barrett .50 would do. And if you miss, the muzzle blast will make the BG will look like Wile E. Coyote after the dynamite blows up in his hand.
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Posted: 12/16/2010 10:14:59 AM EDT
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Pistol w/light, then get your hits.
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Posted: 12/16/2010 10:16:37 AM EDT
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I must admit, I posted this question after reading all the trash talk about "birdshot" in another post. I really enjoyed everything from the "Kevlar Crypt" for my baby to sleep in to the "Banana Laucher". I've been rockin a Mossberg 500A for years with a veriety of loads and I'm not about to change now. Thanks for the hilarity, the ever present treash talking about "shot placement" and the condescending tone that most of you guys can't avoid.
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Posted: 12/16/2010 10:17:08 AM EDT
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We have a 9 page debate in GD going on right now about Birdshot and Buckshot lethality.
Please educate yourself since your safety depends on it. My first choice would be a 12.5" or shorter AR-15 with hot 55gr. JSP's, tac light and HWS. Runner up would be whatever pistol I am most proficient with; In my case, that's a 5" M1911 with 185gr. GDHP's. |
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Posted: 12/16/2010 10:20:29 AM EDT
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Posted: 12/16/2010 10:21:04 AM EDT
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00 Buck or some form of HP .45 ACP
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Posted: 12/16/2010 10:21:48 AM EDT
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Quoted: I must admit, I posted this question after reading all the trash talk about "birdshot" in another post. I really enjoyed everything from the "Kevlar Crypt" for my baby to sleep in to the "Banana Laucher". I've been rockin a Mossberg 500A for years with a veriety of loads and I'm not about to change now. Thanks for the hilarity, the ever present treash talking about "shot placement" and the condescending tone that most of you guys can't avoid. So why did you start this thread if you have no interest in changing from your fairly stupid choice to use a pump action shotgun?  Let's pretend this isn't a nice policeman. Whatya going to do with a fowling piece? Aim to the left and hope that part of the buckshot hits him in the face and the rest misses your child? Switch to slug while he draws his pistol or knife? Think "Well I never thought of this, uh oh"?
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