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Posted: 5/13/2004 6:05:10 AM EST
www.surveyusa.com/2004_Elections/CA040507pressen.pdf

Yes, yes, I know. Polls this early cannot accurately predict what's going to happen on election day. But let me tell you this: IF California is in play, Kerry's in HUGE trouble at the convention.

I smell a Torrecelli "move" by the Democrats soon if Kerry doesn't start gaining more traction.
Link Posted: 5/13/2004 6:08:02 AM EST
Yeah, but Bush is still in trouble if you ask some others on our side.

Still, the fact that a poll IN CALIFORNIA has them this close is pretty bizarre...
Link Posted: 5/13/2004 6:11:19 AM EST

Originally Posted By Zaphod:
Yeah, but Bush is still in trouble if you ask some others on our side.

Still, the fact that a poll IN CALIFORNIA has them this close is pretty bizarre...



So does this mean I should hold off on detonating all the tannerite I've placed along their fault lines to make the whole state break off and fall into the ocean?
Link Posted: 5/13/2004 6:13:03 AM EST
I have been telling you guys....45 states...45

SGtar15
Link Posted: 5/13/2004 6:15:26 AM EST

Originally Posted By sgtar15:
I have been telling you guys....45 states...45

SGtar15





What are your thoughts about congressional elections?

Will the GOP retain?

-LS
Link Posted: 5/13/2004 6:21:14 AM EST
Link Posted: 5/13/2004 6:25:16 AM EST
I'd rather see Boxer-shit loose against Jones than Bush getting the Caliban.
Link Posted: 5/13/2004 6:25:51 AM EST

Originally Posted By longshot_va:

Originally Posted By sgtar15:
I have been telling you guys....45 states...45

SGtar15





What are your thoughts about congressional elections?

Will the GOP retain?

-LS



No comment
Link Posted: 5/13/2004 6:28:15 AM EST
this is a good thing, I know my father and his wife are rounding up as many of their co workers to vote for the right team. but in the end I think it will be a fight.
Link Posted: 5/13/2004 7:08:01 AM EST
I wouldn't put too much weight on it. I live in the East Bay, and put up with some real pieces of work on a daily basis. The "Anybody but Bush" attitude is all you hear. They don't even bother to push Kerry. All you see are these bumper stickers that say "Re-Defeat Bush" pasted over Howard Dean stickers.
Southern California and Orange County are supposedly shifting away from the lunatics up here, but I doubt it'll give the state to Bush. I'm counting on you all in the other states.
Link Posted: 5/13/2004 7:14:59 AM EST
Link Posted: 5/13/2004 7:29:55 AM EST
Ditto.
I live in redwood city, about 20 minutes south of S.F. and it sucks. Everyday I see at least 50 kerry stickers and not a single bush sticker. Not to mention the 50 or so bring out troops home or the ever popular no war for oil stickers. I wish someone would make a f'n sticker that would fit perfectly on the john kerry sticker. that would be pretty sweet. If it was the same color I bet most people wouldn't notice it if you slapped it on.
I saw one this morning that was funny as hell though. it said "stay back... I'm allergic to republicans" the funny part was it was on one of those huge ass Cadillac SUV's. what the hell is someone doing driving a land tank like that and being a demo? If she had 50k for a car then she must be doing all right. why the hell would she want to elect a commie and have to give more money to the government? not to mention giving money to the evil oil companies because that thing cant get more than 10 mpg.
the bay area is filled with more Hippocrates per square mile than Washington.
Link Posted: 5/13/2004 7:32:53 AM EST
The Bay Area of Kali-fornia was one of the few areas that had actual solid majorities againt Gray Davis' recall(ie they like Gray Davis), so this would not surprise me.
Link Posted: 5/13/2004 7:35:03 AM EST
Link Posted: 5/13/2004 7:49:55 AM EST
Well it looks like the new Demo majority leader wants to fight Arnold and continue to raise taxes. Arnold made a deal with the higher education system chiefs on the budget, but the Dems look like they won't honor this compromise. Its pretty interesting. Hopefully as budget time gets closer and the Dems continue to push for higher taxes it will drive people away from them. Arnold still has a huge base of support. Maybe it'll carry over to the presidential election? Doubtful tho. The best we can hope for is a lot of apathy from the lib voters for Kerry.
Link Posted: 5/13/2004 7:56:09 AM EST
[Last Edit: 5/13/2004 7:57:28 AM EST by warlord]

Originally Posted By CalGat:
Well it looks like the new Demo majority leader wants to fight Arnold and continue to raise taxes. Arnold made a deal with the higher education system chiefs on the budget, but the Dems look like they won't honor this compromise. Its pretty interesting. Hopefully as budget time gets closer and the Dems continue to push for higher taxes it will drive people away from them. Arnold still has a huge base of support.


This is the same old storied Dems as in the past, these guys want the gunners & Republicans to "compromise," for this and that anti-gun law, and of course "they" the Dems haven't really given anything. But those days are going away very quickly. The Dems don't want to see their pet programs/projects get cut, but the political reality of it is the the Gov. Terminator has the clout to go around those guys. The L.A. Times is still holding out hope that most social programs are going to be put into law because Maria Shriver is also part of the team.

The education chiefs have pretty much undermined a lot of the clout of the Democratic party, and the Dems are not happy about, but rightfully so, they don't give up politcal power willings, they'll go scream and kicking.
Link Posted: 5/13/2004 8:10:15 AM EST

Originally Posted By Chaingun:
I'd rather see Boxer-shit loose against Jones than Bush getting the Caliban.



No kidding. I was really hoping Loretta Sanchez would have run against Boxer. I think Sanchez would have given her a good run. Jones doesnt stand a prayer.
Link Posted: 5/13/2004 8:16:21 AM EST
Link Posted: 5/13/2004 8:18:37 AM EST

Originally Posted By Hawkeye:

Originally Posted By GonzoAR15-1:
www.surveyusa.com/2004_Elections/CA040507pressen.pdf

Yes, yes, I know. Polls this early cannot accurately predict what's going to happen on election day. But let me tell you this: IF California is in play, Kerry's in HUGE trouble at the convention.

I smell a Torrecelli "move" by the Democrats soon if Kerry doesn't start gaining more traction.



I was told I was nuts when I did a thread on that very thing here a few weeks ago. Rush Limbaugh and others have been touching on that for some time now. Lots of dems are having second thoughts on Kerry.



Don't feel bad. I was completely ignored when I suggested it a month ago.

But could H.R.C. (or whoever the replacement is) win with only three months' active campaigning?
And under what circumstances would Kerry leave?
Link Posted: 5/13/2004 8:19:01 AM EST

Originally Posted By Atencio:

Originally Posted By Chaingun:
I'd rather see Boxer-shit loose against Jones than Bush getting the Caliban.



No kidding. I was really hoping Loretta Sanchez would have run against Boxer. I think Sanchez would have given her a good run. Jones doesnt stand a prayer.



Sanchez is probably worse than Boxer...if that is possible.
Link Posted: 5/13/2004 8:30:01 AM EST
In the solitude of the voting booth, with no pollster harranging you, and no media propagandists preaching, your average voter must decide if Kerry would do a better job.

Hate will not carry the day for Kerry, because most Americans are not consumed by it as are the rabid lefties.

Who predicted the GOP would gain seats in 2002?

No one.
Link Posted: 5/13/2004 9:16:23 AM EST

Originally Posted By Tactical_Jew:

Originally Posted By Atencio:

Originally Posted By Chaingun:
I'd rather see Boxer-shit loose against Jones than Bush getting the Caliban.



No kidding. I was really hoping Loretta Sanchez would have run against Boxer. I think Sanchez would have given her a good run. Jones doesnt stand a prayer.



Sanchez is probably worse than Boxer...if that is possible.




Oh God, wash my mouth out with soap. I can't believe I typed Sanchez's name. I meant to say Rosario Marin
Link Posted: 5/13/2004 9:17:04 AM EST

Originally Posted By TheHappyBlaster:
In the solitude of the voting booth, with no pollster harranging you, and no media propagandists preaching, your average voter must decide if Kerry would do a better job.

Hate will not carry the day for Kerry, because most Americans are not consumed by it as are the rabid lefties.

Who predicted the GOP would gain seats in 2002?

No one.



When i saked for a different ballot (dont ask, i was young and uninformed) the the election attendants "whispered" which one i waned and I proudly and loudly said Republican. you should have seen the looks of scron from not only other voters but also the attendants. After I stated my party choice one of the attendants said I couldnt do that and I argued with her for a few minutes until another attendant showed her the reg and she reluctantly gave me one. the funny thing was is it was fine until i said i wanted a republican ballot.
Damn I hate this state. I'll keep voting but the dems allways win in kali.
Link Posted: 5/13/2004 9:19:07 AM EST

Originally Posted By Paul:

Originally Posted By sgtar15:
I have been telling you guys....45 states...45

SGtar15



I don't think you'll be far from wrong.

If it's one point here Kerry is in big big BIG trouble. He stands for nothing and has no adjenda at this point. Wait until the conventions take place.




EGGS ACT LY!!!!

This is GWB's whole message: " I have done the following things that last 3 years"

This is Kerry's whole message: " GWB has done the following the last 3 years"

End of story...no message=no votes.
Link Posted: 5/13/2004 9:25:19 AM EST
[Last Edit: 5/13/2004 9:37:21 AM EST by FLAL1A]
If anybody gets hold of a microphone at the Democratic convention and calls for Kerry's replacement, or if there's a floor fight over the nomination, or if even 100 people gather outside the hall (or in the nearest "free speech zone"*) to demand that he be pushed overboard, Kerry is hosed whether he's nominated or not. If he is replaced, I bet his replacement, no matter who it is, gets beaten worse than McGovern. I just don't think the rest of America is as accustomed to corruption as the people of New Jersey. I can't imagine more than a handful voting for a last-minute sub.


* a truly abominable concept
Link Posted: 5/13/2004 9:43:32 AM EST

Originally Posted By longshot_va:

Originally Posted By sgtar15:
I have been telling you guys....45 states...45

SGtar15





What are your thoughts about congressional elections?

Will the GOP retain?

-LS



The House is safe. The Seante's up for grabs, plus there are a lot of RINOs in the Senate, so they basically count as Democrat votes.
Link Posted: 5/13/2004 9:51:48 AM EST
Nader is polling at 6% nationally.

That oughtta tell you something.

CRC
Link Posted: 5/13/2004 9:52:06 AM EST

Originally Posted By sgtar15:
I have been telling you guys....45 states...45

SGtar15




I don't know man, I'm still skeptical. Kerry spoke on campus this morning (I was going to go heckle him but it was invite-only) and you wouldn't believe how many FLAMING LIBERALS we have here in Arkansas. I mean, liberal is one thing, but Kerry and his supporters are HARD CORE MASSACHUSSETS EUROLIBERAL SOCIALISTS.

I think it's going to be a close one.
Link Posted: 5/13/2004 9:58:04 AM EST

Originally Posted By NewbHunter:

Originally Posted By Zaphod:
Yeah, but Bush is still in trouble if you ask some others on our side.

Still, the fact that a poll IN CALIFORNIA has them this close is pretty bizarre...



So does this mean I should hold off on detonating all the tannerite I've placed along their fault lines to make the whole state break off and fall into the ocean?


No .My property in AZ will be worth a lot more as beach front.
Link Posted: 5/13/2004 11:10:28 AM EST

Originally Posted By jblachly:

I don't know man, I'm still skeptical. Kerry spoke on campus this morning (I was going to go heckle him but it was invite-only) and you wouldn't believe how many FLAMING LIBERALS we have here in Arkansas. I mean, liberal is one thing, but Kerry and his supporters are HARD CORE MASSACHUSSETS EUROLIBERAL SOCIALISTS.

I think it's going to be a close one.



College kids don't vote, they are too stoned to remember when election day is.

Sgtar15
Link Posted: 5/13/2004 11:46:29 AM EST
[Last Edit: 5/13/2004 11:47:10 AM EST by jblachly]

Originally Posted By sgtar15:

Originally Posted By jblachly:

I don't know man, I'm still skeptical. Kerry spoke on campus this morning (I was going to go heckle him but it was invite-only) and you wouldn't believe how many FLAMING LIBERALS we have here in Arkansas. I mean, liberal is one thing, but Kerry and his supporters are HARD CORE MASSACHUSSETS EUROLIBERAL SOCIALISTS.

I think it's going to be a close one.



College kids don't vote, they are too stoned to remember when election day is.

Sgtar15




This is a medical research campus. The average age is probably 40.
Link Posted: 5/13/2004 5:36:26 PM EST

Originally Posted By jblachly:

Originally Posted By sgtar15:

College kids don't vote, they are too stoned to remember when election day is.

Sgtar15




This is a medical research campus. The average age is probably 40.



Then they have moved on to speed.....
Link Posted: 5/13/2004 6:08:43 PM EST
Link Posted: 5/13/2004 6:19:40 PM EST

Originally Posted By raven:

Originally Posted By longshot_va:

Originally Posted By sgtar15:
I have been telling you guys....45 states...45

SGtar15





What are your thoughts about congressional elections?

Will the GOP retain?

-LS



The House is safe. The Seante's up for grabs, plus there are a lot of RINOs in the Senate, so they basically count as Democrat votes.



The GOP will gain 4 in the Senate, though that is not as great as it sounds cause of all the RINOs.
The house will see a GOP gain of about 8-9 seats nearly all do to redistricting.
Link Posted: 5/13/2004 6:31:59 PM EST

Originally Posted By longshot_va:
What are your thoughts about congressional elections?

Will the GOP retain?

Absolutely. the last 6yrs' trend will continue.

As for CA - laughed my ass off as the Lib polling agencies completely choked on their predictions on the CA Recall - Zogby, PEW et al kept cheerleading right up to poll-closing about the Recall being defeated, and IF it passed, it was a solid Bustamante (D) Win.

Couldn't have been farther from the Truth. The Recall passed by a solid margin, and nearly 2/3 of the vote went for Republican candidates Ahnold and McClintock. Bustamante got his AZTLAN / MECHa -butt kicked.

Happy to read about it, great to see the (D) have to waste precious funds chasing CA.
I think ultimately the popular vote in CA is going to be ~2% in the D's favor, though. Just too many D farmhands and (D)ipshits in Frisco and Los Angeles.

This map of the CA Recall votes does a good job of demonstrating the problem -



The Red areas are, well, 'Reds' :) (although L.A. is only 51% 'Red')
Link Posted: 5/13/2004 6:37:50 PM EST

Originally Posted By CRC:
Nader is polling at 6% nationally.

That oughtta tell you something.

CRC

That we as a nation need to do more to keep the Insane under lock and key?
Link Posted: 5/13/2004 7:13:47 PM EST
[Last Edit: 5/13/2004 7:20:39 PM EST by cnatra]

Originally Posted By longshot_va:

Originally Posted By sgtar15:
I have been telling you guys....45 states...45

SGtar15





What are your thoughts about congressional elections?

Will the GOP retain?

-LS



HELL YES !!!

www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4415235

interesting read on chanes to the Electoral College since 2000

seems to favor W
Link Posted: 5/13/2004 7:26:01 PM EST

Originally Posted By rayra:

Originally Posted By longshot_va:
What are your thoughts about congressional elections?

Will the GOP retain?

Absolutely. the last 6yrs' trend will continue.

As for CA - laughed my ass off as the Lib polling agencies completely choked on their predictions on the CA Recall - Zogby, PEW et al kept cheerleading right up to poll-closing about the Recall being defeated, and IF it passed, it was a solid Bustamante (D) Win.

Couldn't have been farther from the Truth. The Recall passed by a solid margin, and nearly 2/3 of the vote went for Republican candidates Ahnold and McClintock. Bustamante got his AZTLAN / MECHa -butt kicked.

Happy to read about it, great to see the (D) have to waste precious funds chasing CA.
I think ultimately the popular vote in CA is going to be ~2% in the D's favor, though. Just too many D farmhands and (D)ipshits in Frisco and Los Angeles.

This map of the CA Recall votes does a good job of demonstrating the problem -

vote2003.ss.ca.gov/Returns/recall/mapN4031008084428.gif

The Red areas are, well, 'Reds' :) (although L.A. is only 51% 'Red')





It would make my FRIGGIN DAY if california would split into two states -- the liberal urban centers along the coastline into one state, the rest of the state into another. My poor relatives (all of dad's side) are trapped out there. At least my dad had the sense to get out and never go back long before I was born.

It really is a beautiful place, and if the good people of California could claim back their state from the nutjobs, it would be a fine place to live again.
Link Posted: 5/13/2004 7:50:33 PM EST

Originally Posted By Aimless:

Originally Posted By Paul:

Originally Posted By sgtar15:
I have been telling you guys....45 states...45

SGtar15



I don't think you'll be far from wrong.

If it's one point here Kerry is in big big BIG trouble. He stands for nothing and has no adjenda at this point. Wait until the conventions take place.

IF there is an attack at either convention (slim) or the Olympics in August (highly likely) then the votes will pour into the ballet box for Bush.

I heard a greek olympic official yesterday on the radio. boy oh boy are they not prepared for the Olympics. It is going to be a real FUBAR in general so I would guess that security will also be a fiasco, no matter how worried everyone is about and even though the olympics have been a target in the past I think the greeks are just completely turned around. Now trying to get at the Israeli, US or British athelets may be a good way to get matyred quick going after something that is solely protected by the greeks might be a different story.



Just hope it's the USAF or USN handling air traffic 'control', a-o some Euro air service...

AQ seems to keep coming back to similar delivery methods...

Truck bombs, over and over...

We'll see if they re-use the plane bomb thing...
Link Posted: 5/13/2004 11:05:10 PM EST

Originally Posted By CRC:
Nader is polling at 6% nationally.

That oughtta tell you something.

CRC



Until he qualifies for a ballot any place, it doesn't mean squat. Like it or not , writing him in will mean his reults will be down in the noise.

Although the interesting news here is several counties have indicated that they intend to stay with electronic voting after the Secty of State decertified all the electronic systems. If they stick with them then the lawsuits and disqualification hassles and rigging charges will make Florida look like a bridge club refereshment menu meeting
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