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Posted: 10/28/2013 10:25:57 AM EST
Which one is better for shooting small game such as hogs, deer, yots with a 55-64gr 223 bullet.

Have been using Fusions the past few years but damn those things are hard to find and much more expensive than reloading. I currently reload v-max, spire points and FMJ's. Should i add hollow points to the mix or do the soft points preform better in animals than hollow?
Link Posted: 10/28/2013 10:43:16 AM EST
Soft point IMO

RG
Link Posted: 10/28/2013 10:44:26 AM EST
looking at using the meat? or just shooting?
Link Posted: 10/28/2013 10:48:26 AM EST
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looking at using the meat? or just shooting?
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Both
Link Posted: 10/28/2013 10:51:15 AM EST
different applications different results.

thin skinned HP's put stuff down quick. but ruin meat with fragmentation. Soft point has better retention/expansion but less trauma.

pick the bullet for the application.
Link Posted: 10/28/2013 10:54:15 AM EST
Deer and hogs are not small or medium game. But a 53 gr barnes will kill deer.


Link Posted: 10/28/2013 10:54:58 AM EST
soft point
Link Posted: 10/28/2013 10:55:34 AM EST
Lead- SP's, Alloys- Hp's
Link Posted: 10/28/2013 10:56:34 AM EST
[Last Edit: 10/28/2013 10:58:27 AM EST by JamesP81]
Originally Posted By Plasteredtex:
Which one is better for shooting small game such as hogs, deer, yots with a 55-64gr 223 bullet.

Have been using Fusions the past few years but damn those things are hard to find and much more expensive than reloading. I currently reload v-max, spire points and FMJ's. Should i add hollow points to the mix or do the soft points preform better in animals than hollow?
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Hollow points are for varmints (prairie dogs and other pests). Soft points for anything bigger. In 223, the Winchester 64gr soft point is a very good choice for deer. Hollow points are an inappropriate bullet for deer as they get insufficient penetration to guarantee a humane kill.

As for coyotes, a lot of people use HPs on them to good effect, others use SPs to good effect. So choose whatever you like or has been shown to work.
Link Posted: 10/28/2013 10:57:00 AM EST
HP's for yotes... you're not eating the meat and they die fkn instantly
Link Posted: 10/28/2013 10:58:00 AM EST
[Last Edit: 10/28/2013 11:18:04 AM EST by sitdwnandhngon]
I use soft points on deer with good sucess.

Hollow points make me nervous on them since I am afraid I may hit a bone and it will lose it's energy before getting to the vitals.

70 gr spire points drop deer where they stand.
Link Posted: 10/28/2013 10:58:01 AM EST
Hollow points are great for pests, soft point if you want to bring it home as you don't need to worry as much about fragments.
Link Posted: 10/28/2013 11:00:37 AM EST
[Last Edit: 10/28/2013 11:01:13 AM EST by oldschool63]
Coyotes it does not matter what bullet you use

Hogs it does not matter what bullet you use if you shoot them in the ear

Deer use a Barnes TTSX
Link Posted: 10/28/2013 11:04:35 AM EST
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Originally Posted By Fat_McNasty:
different applications different results.

thin skinned HP's put stuff down quick. but ruin meat with fragmentation. Soft point has better retention/expansion but less trauma.

pick the bullet for the application.
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This. Mostly, some modern designs blur the rules.

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Link Posted: 10/28/2013 11:06:42 AM EST
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The smallest rifle I hunt deer with is a .30-06 (must be >/= .23 cal. in VA for deer), but I would try the 62 gr. Remington Core-Lokt Bonded bullets in .223. (These are soft-points.)
Link Posted: 10/28/2013 11:07:16 AM EST
hp - barnes TSX, dont use a varmint hollow point that explodes.

I've had soft points still fragment
Link Posted: 10/28/2013 11:08:11 AM EST
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These are great bullets.
Link Posted: 10/28/2013 11:15:17 AM EST
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These are great bullets.
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Originally Posted By oldschool63:
Deer use a Barnes TTSX


These are great bullets.



Awesome bullets....Nosler makes their old reliable Partitions in .223 as well.....60gr. I think Federal even has these available in a factory loading as well Also a bit less costly then the Barnes.

RG
Link Posted: 10/28/2013 11:20:46 AM EST
Teddy R. and Pete Capstick said sollids for any medium or big game in order to break bone AND penetrate to vital organs.

Link Posted: 10/28/2013 11:22:33 AM EST
I still have a few Fusions left, but Black Hills sells a 60 or 62 grain SP. I'm not sure what bullet they're using, but the POI is about the same as the Fusion for me.
Link Posted: 10/28/2013 11:23:41 AM EST
[Last Edit: 10/28/2013 11:23:57 AM EST by bafordman]
How about, anything bigger than 22 caliber for deer?

Link Posted: 10/28/2013 11:25:14 AM EST
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Ever seen one shot with a .22-250, they go down in a heap.
Link Posted: 10/28/2013 11:26:45 AM EST
yotes - always HP or ballistic tip type ammo


stuff I might choose to eat, soft points or monolithic hollow points like barnes.
Link Posted: 10/28/2013 11:27:19 AM EST
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Ever seen one shot with a .22-250, they go down in a heap.
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Originally Posted By bafordman:
How about, anything bigger than 22 caliber for deer?



Ever seen one shot with a .22-250, they go down in a heap.


or a 220 swift
Link Posted: 10/28/2013 11:28:06 AM EST
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or a 220 swift
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Originally Posted By sitdwnandhngon:
Originally Posted By bafordman:
How about, anything bigger than 22 caliber for deer?



Ever seen one shot with a .22-250, they go down in a heap.


or a 220 swift


Or a .223 placed by a decent shooter.
Link Posted: 10/28/2013 11:30:54 AM EST
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sadly, there are some places that do not allow the use of a .223 on deer.
Link Posted: 10/28/2013 11:33:13 AM EST
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sadly, there are some places that do not allow the use of a .223 on deer.
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Or a .223 placed by a decent shooter.


sadly, there are some places that do not allow the use of a .223 on deer.


I can see why in areas where people are taking 300 yard shots as the norm.

Around here you are lucky if you can even see the deer past 60 yards, the woods are thick and the crop fields are small.
Link Posted: 10/28/2013 11:33:33 AM EST
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our deer are about the size of dogs around here

and its all about shot placement






Link Posted: 10/28/2013 11:46:13 AM EST
I don't think the point has as much to do with the bullet performance as the actual bullet construction does. Sierra makes very accurate hollow point boattails(Gameking) that are designed for animals in the deer size range.
Link Posted: 10/28/2013 11:51:07 AM EST
I'm trying 62 grain fusions this year. I haven't killed a deer with any of my AR's, but I am this year.

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I'm trying 62 grain fusions this year. I haven't killed a deer with any of my AR's, but I am this year.

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used fusions in the pics above. Love the bullet, just wish i could find it to reload.
Link Posted: 10/28/2013 12:01:03 PM EST
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our deer are about the size of dogs around here

and its all about shot placement

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Originally Posted By Plasteredtex:
Originally Posted By bafordman:
How about, anything bigger than 22 caliber for deer?



our deer are about the size of dogs around here

and its all about shot placement

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Link Posted: 10/28/2013 12:09:36 PM EST
with both hollow point and standard soft point bullets... the important factor is velocity.

Im getting 2400 FPS with my 77 hp nolser loads out of my 12.5" barrel. This will perform well on deer (especially our sitka blacktails). now, i 50 grain hp bullet in a .22-250 at 3600 FPS will explode with little penetration. good for varmints, bad for body shots on deer (I have used similar loads on deer taking only head shots, and it drops them DRT).


I have seen 150 grn SP bullets out of a 7MM mag explode at close range on a deer without leaving an exit. too fast and too thin of a jacket.

I always recommend a barnes bullet or a bonded bullet when hunting with a high velocity caliber (over 3000 fps).


Me personally, I like lower velocity and a heavier bullet. less internal damage to deal with, but better penetration.



Link Posted: 10/28/2013 12:51:58 PM EST
[Last Edit: 10/31/2013 5:02:18 AM EST by puskrat]
Relying on gel tests can be tricky, as you have to evaluate the trustworthiness of the lab and all, but I would say if soft or hollow points were the best that could be, there would probably not be Vmaxes, ballistic tips, and the like. The advantage might be terminal performance, it might be precision.

But referring to your previous question, some state doesn't allow .22 cal deer hunting, so theyobvioulsy cannot be killed with an AR.
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