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Posted: 6/25/2005 9:55:09 AM EDT
...and I'm looking to jump ship.

I purchased the Norton Internet Security package (I believe it's Norton's firewall and N.A.V.) last year and found that it makes my outdated computer (Pentium 3 650) run slower than molasses.

I only use the computer for WP and Internet so upgrading just isn't cost effective.

What programs do you all use besides Norton?

Can anyone throw recommendations my way for a good firewall and AV protection?

Any types on how to completely remove Norton from my HD?

Thanks in advance, guys.
Link Posted: 6/25/2005 9:57:47 AM EDT
I use the windows firewall.

I use no AV, and no other firewall.

Why?

*dons flame suit*

Because I am the AV... I dont't put my PC into a position of getting one.

I've been running PCs for almost a decade, no virus yet. *knocks on wood*
Link Posted: 6/25/2005 10:00:47 AM EDT
I run Firefox and use System Mechanic.

Real happy!
Link Posted: 6/25/2005 10:00:48 AM EDT

Originally Posted By VooDoo3dfx:
I use the windows firewall.

I use no AV, and no other firewall.

Why?

*dons flame suit*

Because I am the AV... I dont't put my PC into a position of getting one.

I've been running PCs for almost a decade, no virus yet. *knocks on wood*



No AV? What measures do you take to ensure that you don't get a virus?
Link Posted: 6/25/2005 10:03:19 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Evil_ATF:

Originally Posted By VooDoo3dfx:
I use the windows firewall.

I use no AV, and no other firewall.

Why?

*dons flame suit*

Because I am the AV... I dont't put my PC into a position of getting one.

I've been running PCs for almost a decade, no virus yet. *knocks on wood*



No AV? What measures do you take to ensure that you don't get a virus?



I don't open any stupid ass attachments from people mostly.

And hotmail has its own VP system that scans any file that goes through it.

I run a AV scan every couple months, just to see if I have been an idiot for not having one.. no problems.

+, I find that the program uses too many system resources.. my parents have it on their PC, and its sluggish.
Link Posted: 6/25/2005 10:24:13 AM EDT
About the 3rd time Ive recommended this in the last day or two on Arfcom.

2005 Panda Titanium=Bullet proof
Link Posted: 6/25/2005 10:31:34 AM EDT

Originally Posted By VooDoo3dfx:
I use the windows firewall.

I use no AV, and no other firewall.

Why?

*dons flame suit*

Because I am the AV... I dont't put my PC into a position of getting one.

I've been running PCs for almost a decade, no virus yet. *knocks on wood*


+5000!!
Link Posted: 6/25/2005 10:38:37 AM EDT
AVG + Zone alarm + Spybot Search and destroy.

All you need, besides some common sense, and free
Link Posted: 6/25/2005 10:51:04 AM EDT
Uninstall and reinstall Norton. That resets my updates.
Link Posted: 6/25/2005 10:53:37 AM EDT
If you are in the military or work for them, you can put NAV and F/W on your personal computer for free. And it never expires. Free updates forever!
Link Posted: 6/25/2005 4:35:54 PM EDT

Originally Posted By thelastgunslinger:
Uninstall and reinstall Norton. That resets my updates.



Not anymore. It leaves a line in the registry. You have to delete that line after uninstall.


There are solutions. None of them legal (i.e. cracks).
Link Posted: 6/25/2005 4:39:59 PM EDT
Link Posted: 6/25/2005 4:40:05 PM EDT
zone alarm.
Link Posted: 6/25/2005 4:41:36 PM EDT

Originally Posted By VooDoo3dfx:
I use the windows firewall.

I use no AV, and no other firewall.

Why?

*dons flame suit*

Because I am the AV... I dont't put my PC into a position of getting one.

I've been running PCs for almost a decade, no virus yet. *knocks on wood*



It used to be a little common sense would keep your PC safe. These days, worms and virii are more sophisticated. You don't have to click on an attachment or visit a questionable site to be infected. You can hide a virus in a jpeg if you know how to do it. If you're on the internet, you're at risk, especially with Windoze. The old ways don't work like they used too.

And the XP firewall does not block outgoing connections. If a trojan makes it's way to your computer, it'll call home and you'll never know.
Link Posted: 6/25/2005 4:43:36 PM EDT
Same here. AVG + Zone alarm + Spybot Search and destroy.

Also run AdAware and periodically use Panda and MicroTrends online AntiVirus.
Link Posted: 6/25/2005 4:48:19 PM EDT
+1

avg
Zone alarm
Firefox
Link Posted: 6/25/2005 4:56:07 PM EDT
Had Norton AV subscription ran out. Tried Zone Alarm hayed it. Using McAfee secirity cednter not trilled with tha either but will use it till subscription runs out. I never open attachments either but a virus or something got in my old computer ( I wasn't running any AV on it & no one else uses my 'puter
Link Posted: 6/25/2005 5:03:38 PM EDT
Trend Micro PC-illin for AV, you won't be sorry.
Link Posted: 6/25/2005 5:17:14 PM EDT
This http://www.avast.com/ and Firefox, you won't have to look back

This doesn't hurt http://www.virtualsoftware.com/ProdPage.cfm?ProdID=2819
Link Posted: 6/25/2005 5:21:20 PM EDT
I thought that even though the subscription expires, it will still continue to update the virus definitions.
Link Posted: 6/25/2005 5:23:52 PM EDT
Another vote for the free version of AVG. Free, and you won't regret it.

Link Posted: 6/25/2005 5:24:02 PM EDT
You should be running two anti-virus programs, Spybot, Adaware, a softeware firewall and a hardware firewall, Microsoft's Anti-Spyware, another type of spy sweeper program and use Firefox.

No one type of program can stop 100 percent of the crap out there on the internet.
Link Posted: 6/25/2005 5:57:04 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 6/25/2005 5:59:31 PM EDT by cruze5]
Norton = the suckage
Mcafee " "


www.pandasoftware.com
nod32
commandondemand
avast if your cheap
f-prot
kaspersky

download a trial version of one buy the one you like

along with ewido.net
and
a squared
adaware personal
spybot
ETC
etc


edit to say:

if your havign problems removing NAV run this rnav

NIS 2003 or older rnis
Link Posted: 6/26/2005 6:03:07 AM EDT
Clam AV seems to work okay. I was running in on a very fast dual process machine so I can't say how perfomance is on slower hardware. www.clamav.net/

ZoneAlarm has a free firewall that works fine. www.zonealarm.com/
Link Posted: 6/26/2005 6:05:25 AM EDT

Originally Posted By The_Beer_Slayer:
norton in garbage.

www.grisoft.com for avg. it's free and MUCH better than norton.



+1 grisoft.com free virus scanner. My corporate IT dept even switched us to this cause Norton was hammering our boxes preformance so bad.
Link Posted: 6/26/2005 6:06:31 AM EDT

Originally Posted By thelastgunslinger:
Uninstall and reinstall Norton. That resets my updates.



The 2003 edition was the last one that allowed you to do that.

I knew there was a reason I hadn't upgraded.
Link Posted: 6/26/2005 6:07:32 AM EDT
i have a 100 year crack for norton if you want it.. email me
Link Posted: 6/26/2005 6:18:09 AM EDT
No wonder NOrToN = The SucKagE everyone is useing cracked copies!! its still just as worthless IMO



Originally Posted By Ring:
i have a 100 year crack for norton if you want it.. email me

Link Posted: 6/26/2005 6:20:12 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Jm03:
About the 3rd time Ive recommended this in the last day or two on Arfcom.

2005 Panda Titanium=Bullet proof



+1000 I use it at home and at work. NOTHING GETS IN ANYMORE.
Link Posted: 6/26/2005 6:26:48 AM EDT
I have used panda it works very well... After installing all the protection, firewall, spyware, etc it uses alot of memory, so if you have 256MB or less i would go will something else. Or disable some features firewall mainly, and it will run better. of course this is coming from someone who has at least 1GB in Ram in all my computers except my laptop.


Originally Posted By dvr9:

Originally Posted By Jm03:
About the 3rd time Ive recommended this in the last day or two on Arfcom.

2005 Panda Titanium=Bullet proof



+1000 I use it at home and at work. NOTHING GETS IN ANYMORE.

Link Posted: 6/26/2005 6:42:53 AM EDT
Personally I hate all programs that are written
to make up for lack of puter sense .

It really isn't that hard to keep your OS
clean and tight . A decent firewall and some
common sense will defeat 99% threats .
The other 1% are there to keep you from getting
complacent with your security .

As usual , this IMHO & YMMV
Link Posted: 6/26/2005 7:49:48 AM EDT

Originally Posted By thelastgunslinger:
Uninstall and reinstall Norton. That resets my updates.



That's correct, I've done it before, however after a certain point it will not give you updates beyond it.

For example:

If you uninstall, then reinstall Norton '03, it will begin it's one year subscription all over again from the new date of installation(or reinstallation if you will). However, it will only give you virus definition updates for about a year and perhaps a few months beyond, using the build code as a staring point. They do this because they know that new computers sometimes have Norton Pre-installed, and they give you a small benefit in the way of time to allow for computer sales, but a new PC with a two year old version of Norton would only get the same updates as a two year old computer with the same
And when you reinstall Norton after a subscription expires, they don't know it's not a new computer so in order to keep the $$ rolling in there is a time limit on updates, they prefer that you renew your subscription by buying the newest version.

That's why I run Firefox browser, use Adaware SE, Spybot Search and Desytroy(for stuff AAW SE misses) for spyware elimination, and once in a while I get a free virus scan at Housecall.

All of these are free programs and they all work very well.

I think Firefox Browser in place of IE, or Netscape etc is the key here. I haven't found spyware on my system in a long time, mainly due to Firefox. Viruses are a problem when you use P2P sharing, too many bogus downloads out there, many of them were added by software manufacturers to teach you a lesson when ou try to pirate thier stuff.

I haven't had a computer virus in about two years on this computer, but as others said, I don't open anything I am not absolutely sure about.
Link Posted: 8/6/2005 8:15:07 AM EDT
great info here.

co-worker was just complaining yesterday that he thought his system ran slower after he installed Norton. After reading this, I think there is some truth to that.
Link Posted: 8/6/2005 8:22:47 AM EDT
AVG from Grisoft is free and it is top of the line.
Sygate Personal Firewall is a top rated free firewall. (I didn't like Zone Alarm but it is top rated also.)



A few Spyware, Adware and Malware tools just in case.

Ad-Aware SE
Ad-Aware VX2 Cleaner Plug-In
CCleaner
Spybot S&D
CWShredder
HiJack This

You will not realize how valuable these things can be until you need them!

If you need any other help just email or IM me.

BigDozer66
Link Posted: 8/6/2005 8:25:28 AM EDT

Originally Posted By blueshockey:
great info here.

co-worker was just complaining yesterday that he thought his system ran slower after he installed Norton. After reading this, I think there is some truth to that.



Norton and McAfee are resource hogs from all the extra stuff they add to it.

BigDozer66
Link Posted: 8/6/2005 8:29:35 AM EDT
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Link Posted: 8/6/2005 8:37:58 AM EDT

Originally Posted By KA3B:
You should be running two anti-virus programs, Spybot, Adaware, a softeware firewall and a hardware firewall, Microsoft's Anti-Spyware, another type of spy sweeper program and use Firefox.

No one type of program can stop 100 percent of the crap out there on the internet.



erm, running 2 AV products is a very bad idea... I don't know of any AV vendor that will support their product if another vendor's is there.
Link Posted: 8/6/2005 9:22:06 AM EDT
I have run two anti-virus programs for the past 4 years with no problems.
NAV and AVG for almost two years with no problems.

Before that I ran NAV and Trend Micro PC-illin with no problems.

As I have said, sometimes one catches something the other misses, sometimes they both catch it.
I am only worried about the items that both miss.

I can get better program support for just about ANYTHING using common sense and Google.



Originally Posted By cduarte:

Originally Posted By KA3B:
You should be running two anti-virus programs, Spybot, Adaware, a softeware firewall and a hardware firewall, Microsoft's Anti-Spyware, another type of spy sweeper program and use Firefox.

No one type of program can stop 100 percent of the crap out there on the internet.



erm, running 2 AV products is a very bad idea... I don't know of any AV vendor that will support their product if another vendor's is there.

Link Posted: 8/7/2005 7:45:20 AM EDT
I just un-installed Norton AV and my boot-up time was significantly faster.
I installed the free AVG.
Link Posted: 8/7/2005 7:47:11 AM EDT
AVG Free antivirus by grisoft. google it.

it uses a lot fewer system resources than norton too.
Link Posted: 8/7/2005 7:58:01 AM EDT

Originally Posted By The_Beer_Slayer:
norton in garbage.

www.grisoft.com for avg. it's free and MUCH better than norton.



True dat.
Link Posted: 8/7/2005 8:16:17 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/7/2005 8:20:26 AM EDT by sherm8404]
Uncanny, I was just about to post the same question.


Is the free AVG the trial download?


ETA....oops, nevermind....
Link Posted: 8/7/2005 8:34:08 AM EDT
Zone Alarm firewall, either the free or the pro (paid) versions work well.
AVG is good, and also free.

Dont use internet exploder or outbreak express.

Add spybot or adaware to suppress the crapware.
Link Posted: 8/7/2005 8:37:17 AM EDT
I just installed AVG and it won't get updates. Awesome software!
Link Posted: 8/7/2005 8:41:54 AM EDT
my recommendations

zone alarm for firewall. simple and easy to use. windows firewall and the various integration of security and firewall within windows itself is just plain confusing.

i use mcaffee managed virusscan for virus. simple and easy and it keeps itself up to date and stays out of your way.

as to the guy who says he's his own AV.. I say otay.. you have just been lucky. i build and configure new pcs all the time. workstations, laptops and servers. once built, my pcs do not get viruses. however, as an example, on more than 1 occassion, i have had a pc get infected while i was setting it up. right after installlation of the OS and before installation of service packs, it would get infected buy something on the net. i could have prevented this buy installing everything before putting them on the net but as soon as i get the OS installed i go to MS and start dling patches and service packs.

so if you dont run AV/firewall and you dont have probs you are either extremely lucky or dont connect to the internet very often if a at all.

some other recommendations.. run a simple email program like eudora that doesn't execute email attachements (like outlook). dont open attachements unless you are waiting for a specific attachement. set up your browser so it doesn't auto install or run anything automatically.
Link Posted: 8/7/2005 9:07:31 AM EDT

Originally Posted By w4klr:

Originally Posted By VooDoo3dfx:
I use the windows firewall.

I use no AV, and no other firewall.

Why?

*dons flame suit*

Because I am the AV... I dont't put my PC into a position of getting one.

I've been running PCs for almost a decade, no virus yet. *knocks on wood*


+5000!!




You guys are running on borrowed time. While I aggree with you on not putting your PC in the position of getting one, only a fool would trust that!

I got a shiney nickel that bets that the two of you are LOADED with spyware.
Link Posted: 8/8/2005 9:16:35 AM EDT
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