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Posted: 6/21/2011 10:39:39 AM EDT
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My grandmother left Germany during Hitler's rise to power. Her family didn't like what was going on there, so they moved.
She spoke German fluently, and would listen to German radio. She said that while she didn't agree with what Hitler was saying at all, he was so persuasive that she could see how a depressed German nation could follow him. Anecdotal, yes, but that's the truth as it was imparted to me. One other thing: Hitler and the Nazis were brilliant self promoters. Check out Leni Riefenstahl's Triumph of the Will. |
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Posted: 6/21/2011 10:41:09 AM EDT
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I always hear how great of an orator Hitler was, but I don't speak German, so i can't give an opinion
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Posted: 6/21/2011 10:42:02 AM EDT
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Liberals have always been good at talking the talk. They are the parasitic agent provocateurs of civilization.
What I wouldn't give to be able to fight and die in WW2. I guess that I just missed my generation. God Bless America. |
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Posted: 6/21/2011 10:43:07 AM EDT
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She spoke English fluently, and would listen to American radio. She said that while she didn't agree with what Obama was saying at all, he was so persuasive that she could see how a depressed American nation could follow him. Sorry, just had to validate Godwin early on. |
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Posted: 6/21/2011 10:43:29 AM EDT
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Hard to say. It's only been in the last 60 or 70 years that we've had film of public speakers. Was Hitler better than, say, Socrates? Jesus? Mohammad?
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Posted: 6/21/2011 10:43:42 AM EDT
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No teleprompter either.
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Posted: 6/21/2011 10:44:13 AM EDT
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She spoke English fluently, and would listen to American radio. She said that while she didn't agree with what Obama was saying at all, he was so persuasive that she could see how a depressed American nation could follow him. Sorry, just had to validate Godwin early on. Obama is not a very good public speaker. His speeches have never really impressed me. |
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Posted: 6/21/2011 10:45:54 AM EDT
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Hard to say. It's only been in the last 60 or 70 years that we've had film of public speakers. Was Hitler better than, say, Socrates? Jesus? Mohammad? +1 He's a solid contender for the modern era though. |
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Posted: 6/21/2011 10:46:46 AM EDT
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She spoke English fluently, and would listen to American radio. She said that while she didn't agree with what Obama was saying at all, he was so persuasive that she could see how a depressed American nation could follow him. Sorry, just had to validate Godwin early on. LOL Believe me... hearing what Zero voters were telling me, and reading about Chris Matthews getting a "tingle" down his leg when hearing Zero talk... the similarities were not lost on me... People love a charismatic leader.
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Posted: 6/21/2011 10:46:59 AM EDT
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She spoke English fluently, and would listen to American radio. She said that while she didn't agree with what Obama was saying at all, he was so persuasive that she could see how a depressed American nation could follow him. Sorry, just had to validate Godwin early on. Obama is not a very good public speaker. His speeches have never really impressed me. If.....talking......like this......is......good........he is..........great. |
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Posted: 6/21/2011 10:48:24 AM EDT
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He's certainly enthusiastic. I'll give him that. Keep in mind that his public persona was carefully engineered, and what you see is more performance art than anything else.
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Posted: 6/21/2011 10:48:41 AM EDT
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She spoke English fluently, and would listen to American radio. She said that while she didn't agree with what Obama was saying at all, he was so persuasive that she could see how a depressed American nation could follow him. Sorry, just had to validate Godwin early on. Obama is not a very good public speaker. His speeches have never really impressed me. If.....talking......like this......is......good........he is..........great. "I....I....I....I....I....I....I....I....I....I....I....I....I....I....I....I....I....I....I....I....I....I....I....I....I....I....I....I....I....I....I....I....I....I....I....I....I....I....I....I....I....I....I....I....I....I....I....I.... I....I....I....I....I....I....I....I....I....I....I....I....I....I....I....I....I....I....I....I....I....I....I....I....I....I....I....I....I....I....I....I....I....I....I....I....I....I....I....I....I....I....I....I....I....I....I....I.... ....our Armed Forces...I....I....I....I....I....I....I....I....I....I....I....I....I....I....I....I....I....I....I....I....I....I....I....I....I....I....I....I....I....I....I....I....I....I....I....I....I....I....I....I...." |
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Posted: 6/21/2011 10:48:55 AM EDT
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She spoke English fluently, and would listen to American radio. She said that while she didn't agree with what Obama was saying at all, he was so persuasive that she could see how a depressed American nation could follow him. Sorry, just had to validate Godwin early on. Obama is not a very good public speaker. His speeches have never really impressed me. If.....talking......like this......is......good........he is..........great. OK....Obama is an outstanding electronically-dependant public speaker. |
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Posted: 6/21/2011 10:49:37 AM EDT
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Hard to say. It's only been in the last 60 or 70 years that we've had film of public speakers. Was Hitler better than, say, Socrates? Jesus? Mohammad? Interesting point. Lenin is said to have been a demagogue extraordinaire, who could virtually hypnotize his audiences and make them do his bidding. This claim, however, is hard to verify, as no audio recordings exist from the time of the Russian Revolution. I guess we'll never know. |
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Posted: 6/21/2011 10:51:35 AM EDT
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No teleprompter either. My first thought, that is what made him so dangerous, he was that good a speaker. (not that there were any teleprompters back then though) side note, when Rhiefanstall directed Triumph of The Will she was surprised that of all the speakers at the rally only Hitler and Goebbels were the only ones who didn't have to reshoot their speeches for close ups, most others had to do several takes before they appeared polished. |
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Posted: 6/21/2011 10:51:44 AM EDT
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She spoke English fluently, and would listen to American radio. She said that while she didn't agree with what Obama was saying at all, he was so persuasive that she could see how a depressed American nation could follow him. Sorry, just had to validate Godwin early on. Obama is not a very good public speaker. His speeches have never really impressed me. If.....talking......like this......is......good........he is..........great. OK....Obama is an outstanding electronically-dependant public speaker. Not really. His speeches are full of verbiage meant to make uneducated people think he's being profound. In reality, the content of his speeches is usually redundant and illogical. And his style is rigid and overtly put on. |
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Posted: 6/21/2011 10:54:29 AM EDT
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Not really. His speeches are full of verbiage meant to make uneducated people think he's being profound. In reality, the content of his speeches is usually redundant and illogical. And his style is rigid and overtly put on. Agreed. And he abuses the strawman every chance he gets... "Never again, will we have to worry about our children being forced to live under British colonial tyranny..." That said, he's like a movie that thought leaders love: Dumb people love it just because the thought leaders do. So they can look smart.
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Posted: 6/21/2011 10:56:38 AM EDT
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No teleprompter either. I find that amazing about people those days. They could do some speaking, straight from the hip. The handwriting skills were also impeccable. |
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Posted: 6/21/2011 10:57:11 AM EDT
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She spoke English fluently, and would listen to American radio. She said that while she didn't agree with what Obama was saying at all, he was so persuasive that she could see how a depressed American nation could follow him. Sorry, just had to validate Godwin early on. Obama is not a very good public speaker. His speeches have never really impressed me. If.....talking......like this......is......good........he is..........great. OK....Obama is an outstanding electronically-dependant public speaker. Not really. His speeches are full of verbiage meant to make uneducated people think he's being profound. In reality, the content of his speeches is usually redundant and illogical. And his style is rigid and overtly put on. sound familiar? |
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Posted: 6/21/2011 10:57:32 AM EDT
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There aren't any recordings of Jesus, but I suspect he was a more inspiring speaker than Hitler.
I've spoken with several people who grew up in Nazi Germany. They all said pretty much the same thing about Hitler: He was scary, but you couldn't ignore him. |
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Posted: 6/21/2011 10:59:44 AM EDT
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Hitler wrote most of his own speeches so he didn't really need a teleprompter. He DID use notes though, in many speeches you can see him look down at them but almost always, it was for dramatic pauses or to let the cheering subside.
Ronald Reagan had his brilliant moments although it was because of the content more than the delivery. MLK and Malcom X were both good orators. |
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Posted: 6/21/2011 11:00:33 AM EDT
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There aren't any recordings of Jesus, but I suspect he was a more inspiring speaker than Hitler. Apparently not, because Jesus resorted to special effects. |
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Posted: 6/21/2011 11:01:29 AM EDT
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She spoke English fluently, and would listen to American radio. She said that while she didn't agree with what Obama was saying at all, he was so persuasive that she could see how a depressed American nation could follow him. Sorry, just had to validate Godwin early on. Obama is not a very good public speaker. His speeches have never really impressed me. If.....talking......like this......is......good........he is..........great. OK....Obama is an outstanding electronically-dependant public speaker. Not really. His speeches are full of verbiage meant to make uneducated people think he's being profound. In reality, the content of his speeches is usually redundant and illogical. And his style is rigid and overtly put on. sound familiar? I never thought Hitler's speeches were put-on. His speeches (of the few I've watched with German-speaking people) feel genuine. Genuinely evil, of course, but genuine. He believed a lot of what he was saying. The dramatic body language was real. |
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Posted: 6/21/2011 11:06:23 AM EDT
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I dare say part of why Hitler's speeches motivated as well as they did is people could tell he actually believed them. He was not all that sane of man.
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Posted: 6/21/2011 11:10:20 AM EDT
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He was a powerful speaker. Problem is, people go full retard nuts if you give him credit for anything like that.
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Posted: 6/21/2011 11:12:34 AM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: There aren't any recordings of Jesus, but I suspect he was a more inspiring speaker than Hitler. Apparently not, because Jesus resorted to special effects. Lol. Speed |
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Posted: 6/21/2011 11:13:09 AM EDT
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He was a simple carpenter. He rode a donkey, not a white horse. He was no tthe smooth poloshed conquorer the Jews were looking for, but a man from Galilee.
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There aren't any recordings of Jesus, but I suspect he was a more inspiring speaker than Hitler. I've spoken with several people who grew up in Nazi Germany. They all said pretty much the same thing about Hitler: He was scary, but you couldn't ignore him. |
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Posted: 6/21/2011 11:15:59 AM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Hard to say. It's only been in the last 60 or 70 years that we've had film of public speakers. Was Hitler better than, say, Socrates? Jesus? Mohammad? Interesting point. Lenin is said to have been a demagogue extraordinaire, who could virtually hypnotize his audiences and make them do his bidding. This claim, however, is hard to verify, as no audio recordings exist from the time of the Russian Revolution. I guess we'll never know.  |
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Posted: 6/21/2011 11:23:07 AM EDT
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mlk, jfk, to some extent rfk, obama is ok with scripted stuff, his democratic convention speech prior to bush's second term was good.
reagan was good and quips, one-offs and jabs top ten quips from reagan: 10. "Politics is supposed to be the second oldest profession. I have come to realize that it bears a very close resemblance to the first." —Remarks at a business conference, Los Angeles, March 2, 1977
9. "You can tell a lot about a fellow's character by his way of eating jellybeans." —The Observer, March 29, 1981 8. “Thomas Jefferson once said, "We should never judge a president by his age, only by his works.' And ever since he told me that, I stopped worrying." —Circa 1988 7. "I have left orders to be awakened at any time in case of national emergency, even if I'm in a cabinet meeting." —Said often during his presidency, 1981-1989 6. "How do you tell a communist? Well, it's someone who reads Marx and Lenin. And how do you tell an anti-Communist? It's someone who understands Marx and Lenin." —Remarks in Arlington, Virginia, September 25, 1987 5. "The government's view of the economy could be summed up in a few short phrases: If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it. And if it stops moving, subsidize it." —Remarks to the White House Conference on Small Business, August 15, 1986 4. “I am not worried about the deficit. It is big enough to take care of itself.” —Said often during his presidency, 1981-1989 3. "All great change in America begins at the dinner table." —Farewell Address to the Nation, The White House, January 11, 1989 2. "I've noticed that everyone who is for abortion has already been born." —The New York Times, September 22, 1980 1. "There is no limit to what a man can do or where he can go if he doesn't mind who gets the credit." — First Inaugural Address, January 21, 1981 i dont speak german so i guess hitler was good but i cant tell. english speaking that lived during my lifetime? best? winston churchill oration and debating was a skill that used to be taught. it no longer is to the extent it was. everything these days is driven by media marketing. getting to the point in less than 30 seconds, sound bites, quips. if you talk for more than 30 seconds your audience is likely to phase out since we have all been trained to communicate in very short burts, think twitter, texting for example. in olden times, folks would orate literally for hours on end. |
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Posted: 6/21/2011 11:25:13 AM EDT
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My grandmother left Germany during Hitler's rise to power. Her family didn't like what was going on there, so they moved. She spoke German fluently, and would listen to German radio. She said that while she didn't agree with what Hitler was saying at all, he was so persuasive that she could see how a depressed German nation could follow him. Anecdotal, yes, but that's the truth as it was imparted to me. One other thing: Hitler and the Nazis were brilliant self promoters. Check out Leni Riefenstahl's Triumph of the Will. George Lucas thought so. 
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Posted: 6/21/2011 11:27:10 AM EDT
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My grandmother left Germany during Hitler's rise to power. Her family didn't like what was going on there, so they moved. She spoke German fluently, and would listen to German radio. She said that while she didn't agree with what Hitler was saying at all, he was so persuasive that she could see how a depressed German nation could follow him. Anecdotal, yes, but that's the truth as it was imparted to me. One other thing: Hitler and the Nazis were brilliant self promoters. Check out Leni Riefenstahl's Triumph of the Will. George Lucas thought so. http://moongadget.com/origins/pix/triumph.jpg I've often made the comparison in my history classes. |
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Posted: 6/21/2011 11:30:02 AM EDT
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Hard to say. It's only been in the last 60 or 70 years that we've had film of public speakers. Was Hitler better than, say, Socrates? Jesus? Mohammad? Interesting point. Lenin is said to have been a demagogue extraordinaire, who could virtually hypnotize his audiences and make them do his bidding. This claim, however, is hard to verify, as no audio recordings exist from the time of the Russian Revolution. I guess we'll never know. I just tricked you into embedding a Lenin speech in Arfcom. 
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Posted: 6/21/2011 11:30:43 AM EDT
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Churchill gave Hitler a run for his money.
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Posted: 6/21/2011 11:31:54 AM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Hard to say. It's only been in the last 60 or 70 years that we've had film of public speakers. Was Hitler better than, say, Socrates? Jesus? Mohammad? Interesting point. Lenin is said to have been a demagogue extraordinaire, who could virtually hypnotize his audiences and make them do his bidding. This claim, however, is hard to verify, as no audio recordings exist from the time of the Russian Revolution. I guess we'll never know. Ah Lenin. Master of words. Just like Adolf Hitler, who hated the Russian Marxists for their eloquence among other things. Europe is a mess, always has been, always will be. We are just in the quiet between wars. The 20th century was the reaction (mostly in the old world) to centuries of imperial rule and subjugation. Unfortunately, much of that revolution amounted to more subjugation. this is lost on most liberals today, that cheer everytime some fascist dictator is overthrown. Not all revolutions turn out good like ours did. In fact most of them trade one tyrant for a far worse one. |
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Posted: 6/21/2011 11:33:19 AM EDT
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He was just in the right place at the right time, talking to a large number of angry, disenfranchised people.
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Posted: 6/21/2011 11:34:17 AM EDT
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Quoted: Churchill gave Hitler a run for his money. As did Roosevelt, another admirer and follower of the Euro Fascists. The man could do no wrong, a dynasty of himself. |
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Posted: 6/21/2011 11:35:52 AM EDT
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A lady that lived across from me years ago was a German war-bride from Berlin and once told me Hitler mesmerized her when she saw him speak in public at a large youth rally. She claimed it was as much the spectacle as the man because later as a teen when she served with the Luftschultz (aux) during the bombing she would hear his speeches on the radio and he was not so great. I guess a war going poorly and constant bombing will do that.
On the other hand she said Gobbles was the much more effective speaker (and morale builder) in the last year of the war and was on the radio and out and about in Berlin all the time. She saw him speak on bombed-out street corners on several occasions. She would not speak of the Soviets so I figured she had a rough time before the western allies got there and she snagged a husband. |
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Posted: 6/21/2011 11:38:50 AM EDT
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You're always a better speaker when you're preaching to the choir. And Hitler was definitely preaching to the choir, Germans were begging for change. He was a perfect example of the wrong guy at the wrong time. So is Obama, but to a much lesser degree.
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Posted: 6/21/2011 11:44:57 AM EDT
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You're always a better speaker when you're preaching to the choir. And Hitler was definitely preaching to the choir, Germans were begging for change. He was a perfect example of the wrong guy at the wrong time. So is Obama, but to a much lesser degree.[/quote] I disagree, BO is going to be proved to be much worse in the grand scheme of history. I'm not talking about deaths right now, I am talking about the world economy. |
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Posted: 6/21/2011 11:48:21 AM EDT
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sounds like unintelligible crap to me.
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Posted: 6/21/2011 12:00:20 PM EDT
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I remember watching a show that had a segment on this very thing on the history channel many years ago. They were interviewing a Jewish man who lived in Germany during Hitler's rise to power. This man attended one of Hitler's speeches when he was a young teenager and found himself, even as a Jew, falling under the spell that Hitler cast.
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Posted: 6/21/2011 12:03:54 PM EDT
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He was just in the right place at the right time, talking to a large number of angry, disenfranchised people. I think that had more to do with it than anything. But the idea that he was some kind of genius when it came to speaking is a lot more comforting to believe in, rather than believe that what the Nazis did is just part of human nature. |
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Posted: 6/21/2011 12:08:22 PM EDT
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Quoted: I always hear how great of an orator Hitler was, but I don't speak German, so i can't give an opinion I do, and yes he is. He's very talented in using dramatic pauses and such. Starts off slow, and then really gets going - it definitely has an effect on you. |
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Posted: 6/21/2011 12:15:20 PM EDT
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why does everyone always feel the need to offer an opinion when know 0.0% of what they're talking about?
public speaking is an art, like being an actor. Hitler was AWESOME at public speaking. He always understood his audience exactly and he always knew how to speak to them. he had that skill down cold read Albert Speer's book |
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Posted: 6/21/2011 12:16:07 PM EDT
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I like how he said at the end of the video, "Give me four years and in office and I swear to you I will leave after 4 years!"
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Posted: 6/21/2011 12:19:31 PM EDT
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1. He took lessons from a stage actor - how to be forceful and dramatic in front of huge crowds.... many of which couldn't hear what he was saying
2. Anyone can be considered a powerful speaker - when the crowd is at gunpoint and their family subject to being sent to a concentration camp if your response isn't enthusiastic. The SS make effective ushers. |
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Posted: 6/21/2011 12:28:17 PM EDT
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Quoted: 1. He took lessons from a stage actor - how to be forceful and dramatic in front of huge crowds.... many of which couldn't hear what he was saying 2. Anyone can be considered a powerful speaker - when the crowd is at gunpoint and their family subject to being sent to a concentration camp if your response isn't enthusiastic. The SS make effective ushers. The enthusiasm of the crowd was there long before there was the Gestapo. |
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