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Posted: 10/23/2016 3:35:22 PM EDT
This is from Hillary Clinton website.
What is your interpretation of what she plans? "I believe weapons of war have no place on our streets. We may have our disagreements on gun safety regulations, but we should all be able to agree on a few things. If the FBI is watching you for suspected terrorist links, you shouldn’t be able to just go buy a gun with no questions asked. You shouldn’t be able to exploit loopholes and evade criminal background checks by buying online or at a gun show. And yes, if you’re too dangerous to get on a plane, you are too dangerous to buy a gun in America. Hillary, June 13, 2016 Too many families in America have suffered—and continue to suffer—from gun violence. It’s the leading cause of death among young African American men—more than the following nine causes combined. America cannot go on like this. As president, Hillary will:Expand background checks to more gun sales—including by closing the gun show and internet sales loopholes—and strengthen the background check system by getting rid of the so-called “Charleston Loophole.”Take on the gun lobby by removing the industry’s sweeping legal protection for illegal and irresponsible actions (which makes it almost impossible for people to hold them accountable), and revoking licenses from dealers who break the law.Keep guns out of the hands of domestic abusers, other violent criminals, and the severely mentally ill by supporting laws that stop domestic abusers from buying and owning guns, making it a federal crime for someone to intentionally buy a gun for a person prohibited from owning one, and closing the loopholes that allow people suffering from severe mental illness to purchase and own guns. She will also support work to keep military-style weapons off our streets. |
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Hillary respects the Second Amendment, no really photo storage
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Her views on guns are very dangerous. Her ignorance towards the actual laws is mind blowing to me. With that said, she is good at turning the people's perception. She will endorse a bill or write an executive order trying to close those so called "loopholes." The Republican Congress members will laugh in her face, and then she will immediately turn it around as they don't care about your child's safety or similar.
Everything she does is to try to backdoor getting guns out of the hands of every American. If she can't get them directly, she will make them impossibly expensive for the average person to own. |
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I find it ironic that she said
"we should all be able to agree on a few things. If the FBI is watching you for suspected terrorist links, you shouldn’t be able to just go buy a gun" Well do you think someone who has been under investigation by the FBI and looked at for national security issues. Like " sharing Classified information and documents marked as such on a private server. Should be "PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES" God help us all. |
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Anti-civil right cunt.
Fuck her. We all know she won't bother to enforce any of those laws on gang members and drug dealers. She'd damn sure enforce them on me. Fuck her. |
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From the whale with a Secret Service detail that protects her using a LOT of guns.
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Not only is this a dupe it's like a given, isn't it? It is so common knowledge it's hardly even worth bringing up again. She wants to ban all guns, not just new ones, she wants them all seized and destroyed. She views all gunowners as somehow less than human and a direct threat to her. She wants to fuck us. Hard.
Is there any new info here? |
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I didnt read any of it I dont need to. Not one more step, the end.
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Her plan is in theDNC platform they are going to give gun violence to the CDC & then include mental health to the yellow form
then ban groups as chances arrive already gotten domestic violence offenders & felons then anyone with a substance abuse history. next - those on med marijuana then - vets with PTSD next those with depression soon any one ever on anti depressants finally those with autism OCD hyperactivity disorder & attention deficit. all will be denied by the BATFE thru background checks |
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"You shouldn't be able to buy a gun with no questions asked"
But they already require me to answer a million questions on the form when buying a gun What other questions do they need to ask? |
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This is from Hillary Clinton website. What is your interpretation of what she plans? "I believe weapons of war have no place on our streets. We may have our disagreements on gun safety regulations, but we should all be able to agree on a few things. If the FBI is watching you for suspected terrorist links, you shouldn’t be able to just go buy a gun with no questions asked. You shouldn’t be able to exploit loopholes and evade criminal background checks by buying online or at a gun show. And yes, if you’re too dangerous to get on a plane, you are too dangerous to buy a gun in America. Hillary, June 13, 2016 Too many families in America have suffered—and continue to suffer—from gun violence. It’s the leading cause of death among young African American men—more than the following nine causes combined. America cannot go on like this. As president, Hillary will:Expand background checks to more gun sales—including by closing the gun show and internet sales loopholes—and strengthen the background check system by getting rid of the so-called “Charleston Loophole.”Take on the gun lobby by removing the industry’s sweeping legal protection for illegal and irresponsible actions (which makes it almost impossible for people to hold them accountable), and revoking licenses from dealers who break the law.Keep guns out of the hands of domestic abusers, other violent criminals, and the severely mentally ill by supporting laws that stop domestic abusers from buying and owning guns, making it a federal crime for someone to intentionally buy a gun for a person prohibited from owning one, and closing the loopholes that allow people suffering from severe mental illness to purchase and own guns. She will also support work to keep military-style weapons off our streets. View Quote It would be nice if the MSM and debate moderators would question her about these lies. The PLCAA does not give ANY protection for illegal acts by manufacturers or sellers. It specifically states that, and yet they let her get away with that bullshit and claim that she "supports the 2A". (a) FindingsCongress finds the following: (1) The Second Amendment to the United States Constitution provides that the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. (2) The Second Amendment to the United States Constitution protects the rights of individuals, including those who are not members of a militia or engaged in military service or training, to keep and bear arms. (3) Lawsuits have been commenced against manufacturers, distributors, dealers, and importers of firearms that operate as designed and intended, which seek money damages and other relief for the harm caused by the misuse of firearms by third parties, including criminals. (4) The manufacture, importation, possession, sale, and use of firearms and ammunition in the United States are heavily regulated by Federal, State, and local laws. Such Federal laws include the Gun Control Act of 1968, the National Firearms Act [26 U.S.C. 5801 et seq.], and the Arms Export Control Act [22 U.S.C. 2751 et seq.]. (5) Businesses in the United States that are engaged in interstate and foreign commerce through the lawful design, manufacture, marketing, distribution, importation, or sale to the public of firearms or ammunition products that have been shipped or transported in interstate or foreign commerce are not, and should not, be liable for the harm caused by those who criminally or unlawfully misuse firearm products or ammunition products that function as designed and intended. (6) The possibility of imposing liability on an entire industry for harm that is solely caused by others is an abuse of the legal system, erodes public confidence in our Nation’s laws, threatens the diminution of a basic constitutional right and civil liberty, invites the disassembly and destabilization of other industries and economic sectors lawfully competing in the free enterprise system of the United States, and constitutes an unreasonable burden on interstate and foreign commerce of the United States. (7) The liability actions commenced or contemplated by the Federal Government, States, municipalities, and private interest groups and others are based on theories without foundation in hundreds of years of the common law and jurisprudence of the United States and do not represent a bona fide expansion of the common law. The possible sustaining of these actions by a maverick judicial officer or petit jury would expand civil liability in a manner never contemplated by the framers of the Constitution, by Congress, or by the legislatures of the several States. Such an expansion of liability would constitute a deprivation of the rights, privileges, and immunities guaranteed to a citizen of the United States under the Fourteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution. (8) The liability actions commenced or contemplated by the Federal Government, States, municipalities, private interest groups and others attempt to use the judicial branch to circumvent the Legislative branch of government to regulate interstate and foreign commerce through judgments and judicial decrees thereby threatening the Separation of Powers doctrine and weakening and undermining important principles of federalism, State sovereignty and comity between the sister States. (b) PurposesThe purposes of this chapter are as follows: (1) To prohibit causes of action against manufacturers, distributors, dealers, and importers of firearms or ammunition products, and their trade associations, for the harm solely caused by the criminal or unlawful misuse of firearm products or ammunition products by others when the product functioned as designed and intended. (2) To preserve a citizen’s access to a supply of firearms and ammunition for all lawful purposes, including hunting, self-defense, collecting, and competitive or recreational shooting. (3) To guarantee a citizen’s rights, privileges, and immunities, as applied to the States, under the Fourteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution, pursuant to section 5 of that Amendment. (4) To prevent the use of such lawsuits to impose unreasonable burdens on interstate and foreign commerce. (5) To protect the right, under the First Amendment to the Constitution, of manufacturers, distributors, dealers, and importers of firearms or ammunition products, and trade associations, to speak freely, to assemble peaceably, and to petition the Government for a redress of their grievances. (6) To preserve and protect the Separation of Powers doctrine and important principles of federalism, State sovereignty and comity between sister States. (7) To exercise congressional power under article IV, section 1 (the Full Faith and Credit Clause) of the United States Constitution. |
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It doesn't matter, Trump is a New York big city liberal so we need to let her win. The more we can shit on Trump the next 2 weeks the better too. I'll see you guys at confiscation!
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Is that her public or private position? Or who is she lying to in this case?
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Not only is this a dupe it's like a given, isn't it? It is so common knowledge it's hardly even worth bringing up again. She wants to ban all guns, not just new ones, she wants them all seized and destroyed. She views all gunowners as somehow less than human and a direct threat to her. She wants to fuck us. Hard. Is there any new info here? View Quote And yet there are millions of Elmer Fudd union members who will vote for her because A) they don't own the assault rifles she wants to ban, and B) their union told them to vote for her. |
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Not only is this a dupe it's like a given, isn't it? It is so common knowledge it's hardly even worth bringing up again. She wants to ban all guns, not just new ones, she wants them all seized and destroyed. She views all gunowners as somehow less than human and a direct threat to her. She wants to fuck us. Hard. Is there any new info here? View Quote Hillary has had this anti firearm position forever. FHRC ETA It's probably the ONLY thing the bitch doesn't lie about. |
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"making it a federal crime for someone to intentionally buy a gun for a person prohibited from owning one" Well, thank God she's finally doing something to plug THAT loophole!!! |
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Not all that many years ago, many people held the belief that vile, totally corrupt lying pieces of scum should not be able to run for public office let alone for potus, but yet here we are, and have been for the last few election cycles.
See how that works crooked cunt? |
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Arming yourself with "weapons of war" is a CIVIL FUCKING RIGHT!!!
I, for one, am not going to sit in the back of the fucking bus, bitch! |
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It will be raining Executive Orders regardless of the Reps keeping congress.
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I find it ironic that she said "we should all be able to agree on a few things. If the FBI is watching you for suspected terrorist links, you shouldn’t be able to just go buy a gun" Well do you think someone who has been under investigation by the FBI and looked at for national security issues. Like " sharing Classified information and documents marked as such on a private server. Should be "PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES" God help us all. View Quote FHRC |
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She's just gonna keep pushing until some nutjob snaps and takes a shot at her, isn't she? Maybe she's hoping to be martyred before whatever illness she has takes her. |
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Herr's my common sense gun control platform:
1) Put and keep violence criminals in prison 2) Have a real mental health system that is more proactive 3) Leave law abiding citizens |
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If you are too dangerous to get on a plane, you should be put on a plane and flown somewhere other than the western hemisphere.
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"If the FBI is watching you for suspected terrorist links, you shouldn’t be able to just go buy a gun with no questions asked."
So if you aren't being watched by the FBI for suspected terrorist links, you should be able to order machine guns online delivered to your door. If the government has proof you are too dangerous to be on a plane, they should arrest you. |
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"If the FBI is watching you for suspected terrorist links, you shouldn’t be able to just go buy a gun with no questions asked." View Quote Who needs Due Process? Just be arbitrarily put on a list and there goes your civil rights. Maybe put on that list for cause, maybe bureaucratic error, maybe for being on the wrong side of a politician, who knows? But the end result is the same: stripped of rights without Due Process. And the courts look the other way. |
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First of all, HRC is no friend of the 2nd Amendment. She has no use for it and will not respect it.
I have argued with Liberals who were for the last expansion of the Background Check Bill. I have stated that it would have prevented friends from swapping guns while plinking. After they called B.S. on the matter and I provided the language that stated that, their response was, "Oh, it was never written to be that stringent; You shouldn't have to worry about that.". I have argued with other Liberals who said that Hillary never said anything about taking guns away. To which, I replied with her 2015 statement where she supported an Australian gun buy-back program. Other liberals have said that the Democrats have done nothing to take away one's 2nd Amendment rights while Obama has been in office. I guess that is true if you ignore the bans on Russian imports, attempted bans on ammo like the "SS109" bullets, and their failed AWB following Sandy Hook. The Democrats will gladly lie to our faces, hoping that we will believe the statement that HRC supports and respects the 2nd Amendment until the Election is over. Then, they will quickly forget their support and mercilessly go after gun owners through all three branches of the government. A new Supreme Court will strike down Heller. The Congress will attempt to pass all sorts of gun laws [a new AWB, strengthening the Background Checks, passing a "No Buy, No Fly" Bill, etc. The ATF will make lives harder for gun and ammo manufacturers, FFL's, and ordinary gun owners. Even if HRC loses, the next Democratic Candidate will pick up this cause. O'Malley and Sanders were no more supporters of the 2nd Amendment than Hillary. James |
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