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Posted: 10/8/2007 10:21:04 AM EST
Decided to stop by the local FFL for a little cit-chat with a friend when a couple of older guys were talking about the up-coming election and how Giuliani was a changed man that is worthy of NRA backing and how Fred Thompson was just another Bush. I was in such disbelief I just walked out.


We (republicans/independents/gun owners) are so divided we will fail to elect our guy, it seems the liberals are somewhat focused and for the most part behind one candidate, Hilary.
Link Posted: 10/8/2007 10:23:07 AM EST

Originally Posted By Rosenrot:
Decided to stop by the local FFL for a little cit-chat with a friend when a couple of older guys were talking about the up-coming election and how Giuliani was a changed man that is worthy of NRA backing and how Fred Thompson was just another Bush. I was in such disbelief I just walked out.


We (republicans/independents/gun owners) are so divided we will fail to elect our guy, it seems the liberals are somewhat focused and for the most part behind one candidate, Hilary.


is "our guy" guliani? it seems you are only adding to the division by not falling in line.
Link Posted: 10/8/2007 10:24:14 AM EST
the far left isn't happy with Hillary either and are thinking of running their own...like Kucinich or WORSE!
Link Posted: 10/8/2007 10:26:24 AM EST
[Last Edit: 10/8/2007 10:26:57 AM EST by PBIR]
The professor at my college that teaches US Presidency said today that he's calling it 53% to 47% for whoever the dem candidate is. He's a relatively moderate guy for the record.
Link Posted: 10/8/2007 10:28:27 AM EST
Get back to me after the convention. The dems are headed into a feeding frenzy.
Link Posted: 10/8/2007 10:30:08 AM EST

Originally Posted By PBIR:
The professor at my college that teaches US Presidency said today that he's calling it 53% to 47% for whoever the dem candidate is. He's a relatively moderate guy for the record.


Assuming he's right, and considering the President's approval numbers and the general attitude of the populace, that's not good new for the Dims.
Link Posted: 10/8/2007 10:32:31 AM EST
Gun owners won't vote for Giuliani, Bush haters won't vote for Thompson and true conservatives will not vote for Paul...........see where this is going? We're fu**ed if you asked me.
Link Posted: 10/8/2007 10:33:49 AM EST

Originally Posted By Rosenrot:
Hilary Clinton will win the presidency


That is not beyond the realm of possibility.

Fred seems to be looking less and less viable all the time. It was fine for me to hate him when he was the shoe in, but now that he is floundering I'm starting to worry.

The thing that is really scary to me is that in the next election, the dems only have something like 8 seats coming up in the Senate. The rest are Republicans, and 6 or 7 of them are retiring. In presidential election years congress tends to coat tail on the winning presidential candidate. I would have to think what Hillary could accomplish with a filibuster proof Senate and a majority in the House.
Link Posted: 10/8/2007 10:36:48 AM EST

Originally Posted By Rosenrot:
Decided to stop by the local FFL for a little cit-chat with a friend when a couple of older guys were talking about the up-coming election and how Giuliani was a changed man that is worthy of NRA backing and how Fred Thompson was just another Bush. I was in such disbelief I just walked out.


We (republicans/independents/gun owners) are so divided we will fail to elect our guy, it seems the liberals are somewhat focused and for the most part behind one candidate, Hilary.


My guess is these are the same relics that have been sending Byrd back to Washington since the dim time.

(PA is not much better, btw, sending idiots to both Harrisburg & the Beltway)

Sadly this may turn out to be (yet another) election where we are not voting FOR one candidate, but rather AGAINST another.

Link Posted: 10/8/2007 10:37:38 AM EST
Will these threads ever end?
Link Posted: 10/8/2007 10:42:17 AM EST

Originally Posted By Primos:
Will these threads ever end?


Yes. They will end on November 3, 2008.
Link Posted: 10/8/2007 10:45:01 AM EST

Originally Posted By Rosenrot:
Decided to stop by the local FFL for a little cit-chat with a friend when a couple of older guys were talking about the up-coming election and how Giuliani was a changed man that is worthy of NRA backing and how Fred Thompson was just another Bush. I was in such disbelief I just walked out.


We (republicans/independents/gun owners) are so divided we will fail to elect our guy, it seems the liberals are somewhat focused and for the most part behind one candidate, Hilary.


They're not. Just surf DUh for a while. The GD: Politics forum isn't too bad, mostly just the same arguments we see here from a Democrat perspective. They're just as divided as we are on who to support. Looks like there's some (not that many) Hillary supporters, some Obama supporters, Edwards supporters, and their own band of major-league nutjobs supporting Kucinich.

Link Posted: 10/8/2007 10:46:30 AM EST

Originally Posted By motown_steve:

Originally Posted By Primos:
Will these threads ever end?


Yes. They will end on November 3, 2008.


The day after the election there will be a thread about 2012.
Link Posted: 10/8/2007 10:48:08 AM EST

Originally Posted By mace:

Originally Posted By Rosenrot:
Decided to stop by the local FFL for a little cit-chat with a friend when a couple of older guys were talking about the up-coming election and how Giuliani was a changed man that is worthy of NRA backing and how Fred Thompson was just another Bush. I was in such disbelief I just walked out.


We (republicans/independents/gun owners) are so divided we will fail to elect our guy, it seems the liberals are somewhat focused and for the most part behind one candidate, Hilary.


They're not. Just surf DUh for a while. The GD: Politics forum isn't too bad, mostly just the same arguments we see here from a Democrat perspective. They're just as divided as we are on who to support. Looks like there's some (not that many) Hillary supporters, some Obama supporters, Edwards supporters, and their own band of major-league nutjobs supporting Kucinich.



Yeah, but the difference is that after the primary they will get in behind their winner, with maybe a few who go vote for Ralph Nader. To them anything is better than losing another election.
Link Posted: 10/8/2007 10:48:44 AM EST
I'm just keeping quiet and selling a few things to buy a few things.

If Hitlery gets in she will fuck up enough things that we should get Republicans for the next 20-50 years. Of course before that we will loose our gun rights and she'll gut the rest of the Constitution like a fresh fish.

Interesting times ahead...
Link Posted: 10/8/2007 10:51:46 AM EST
Something tells me that Kucinich's wife is rowing with a few oars out of the water...



Just has that "lights are on but no one's home look"

(and he is a creepy little gnome)

Link Posted: 10/8/2007 10:52:37 AM EST
I cant see Hillary winning Michigan, Pennsylvania or much of the south. Auto & Steel union Democrats and Farmers are not Hillary/Obama voters.
Link Posted: 10/8/2007 10:55:46 AM EST

Originally Posted By Rosenrot:
Gun owners won't vote for Giuliani, Bush haters won't vote for Thompson and true conservatives will not vote for Paul...........see where this is going? We're fu**ed if you asked me.


~sigh~
"true conservatives"? Ron Paul is the only conservative in D.C..


True conservatives are "Bush haters" because they are conservative.
Link Posted: 10/8/2007 10:56:30 AM EST

Originally Posted By motown_steve:

Originally Posted By mace:

Originally Posted By Rosenrot:
Decided to stop by the local FFL for a little cit-chat with a friend when a couple of older guys were talking about the up-coming election and how Giuliani was a changed man that is worthy of NRA backing and how Fred Thompson was just another Bush. I was in such disbelief I just walked out.


We (republicans/independents/gun owners) are so divided we will fail to elect our guy, it seems the liberals are somewhat focused and for the most part behind one candidate, Hilary.


They're not. Just surf DUh for a while. The GD: Politics forum isn't too bad, mostly just the same arguments we see here from a Democrat perspective. They're just as divided as we are on who to support. Looks like there's some (not that many) Hillary supporters, some Obama supporters, Edwards supporters, and their own band of major-league nutjobs supporting Kucinich.



Yeah, but the difference is that after the primary they will get in behind their winner, with maybe a few who go vote for Ralph Nader. To them anything is better than losing another election.


And our side will do the same thing. Which one will do better is up for debate, though. IMHO, it would be good for us if Hillary won the nomination. She'll scare a lot of people with moderately right-wing thoughts into voting for the Republican candidate, whoever it is, much more then, say Edwards would. Meanwhile, I believe that a portion of the Left will go third-party in protest of Hillary not being anti-war enough. Not a large portion, maybe 5% if we're lucky, but enough to give us an edge.

Link Posted: 10/8/2007 10:56:56 AM EST
Link Posted: 10/8/2007 10:57:04 AM EST

Originally Posted By Merrell:

Originally Posted By Rosenrot:
Decided to stop by the local FFL for a little cit-chat with a friend when a couple of older guys were talking about the up-coming election and how Giuliani was a changed man that is worthy of NRA backing and how Fred Thompson was just another Bush. I was in such disbelief I just walked out.


We (republicans/independents/gun owners) are so divided we will fail to elect our guy, it seems the liberals are somewhat focused and for the most part behind one candidate, Hilary.


My guess is these are the same relics that have been sending Byrd back to Washington since the dim time.

(PA is not much better, btw, sending idiots to both Harrisburg & the Beltway)

Sadly this may turn out to be (yet another) election where we are not voting FOR one candidate, but rather AGAINST another.



That's how I've been voting for years.
Link Posted: 10/8/2007 10:58:08 AM EST
WE HAVE TO HANG TOGETHER OR WE'LL HANG SEPERATELY.

Vote against Hillary.

We cannot have The Thing for President



Cackling Whore of Babylon

Link Posted: 10/8/2007 10:59:24 AM EST

Originally Posted By Keith_J:
the far left isn't happy with Hillary either and are thinking of running their own...like Kucinich or WORSE!


Let's hope so.
Link Posted: 10/8/2007 11:00:06 AM EST

Originally Posted By motown_steve:

Fred seems to be looking less and less viable all the time. It was fine for me to hate him when he was the shoe in, but now that he is floundering I'm starting to worry.


Don't listen to the smear pieces that are coming out with increasing frequency. Fred will get the nomination and will win the election.
Link Posted: 10/8/2007 11:04:41 AM EST
It's just gotten damn hard to believe anymore
Link Posted: 10/8/2007 11:05:51 AM EST
The political season is only now just beginning. No one has paid attention up until about now, except for the political junkies.

It is too early to make predictions and to start writing off Republican candidates. Hillary is a shoe-in right now for the Democrat nomination, but that could change, and we probably won't have ANY idea who will win the Republic nomination until February. Even then, the General Election will be 8 months away, and ANYTHING can happen in that eternity.
Link Posted: 10/8/2007 11:08:47 AM EST

Originally Posted By Merrell:
Something tells me that Kucinich's wife is rowing with a few oars out of the water...



Just has that "lights are on but no one's home look"

(and he is a creepy little gnome)



The key to the door is hanging right next to the lock. I don't know why, but I find that quite amusing.
Link Posted: 10/8/2007 11:18:10 AM EST
BUY, BUY, BUY!!!!!!!
Link Posted: 10/8/2007 11:18:34 AM EST
Link Posted: 10/8/2007 11:20:53 AM EST

Originally Posted By PBIR:
The professor at my college that teaches US Presidency said today that he's calling it 53% to 47% for whoever the dem candidate is. He's a relatively moderate guy for the record.


That's not bad odds. And we can thank George W. Bush for this.
Link Posted: 10/8/2007 11:29:30 AM EST

Originally Posted By AR15fan:
I cant see Hillary winning Michigan, Pennsylvania or much of the south. Auto & Steel union Democrats and Farmers are not Hillary/Obama voters.


PA vote is heavily influenced by Philthadelphia socialists. Steel industry is essentially gone, although there are a fair lot of unemployed ex-steelworkers and those of their offspring that did not leave who still blindly pull that big D lever just like their daddy's did.

Bottom line: Hillary's chances in PA depend on how much "anti-Hillary" vote comes out, not whether Dems like her or not (they are only thinking of who will give them the most free healthcare/welfare/etc)

Michigan is likely another lost cause (look at the Governor they elected). Angry UAW stooges will vote for whoever their union bosses tell them to vote for. PO'ed at the big 3, they will "prove their point" by voting against any R.

(In both states of course, the rest of the counties, mostly R, will be overwhelmed by big city votes)

It will come down to stupid people voting for a new-era Robin Hood to take from everyone else and gimme gimme gimme.

Link Posted: 10/8/2007 11:32:39 AM EST
Ive come to terms with two options. I dont think for sure we are fucked but I look at it like this

Option 1: NRA is too powerful for liberals to seriously endanger out rights and everything is cool for many more years. (I think this is most likely)

Option 2: Gun ownership restricted. Everyone hides there guns. (Less likely)
Link Posted: 10/8/2007 12:58:48 PM EST

Originally Posted By AEBROOKS:
Ive come to terms with two options. I dont think for sure we are fucked but I look at it like this

Option 1: NRA is too powerful for liberals to seriously endanger out rights and everything is cool for many more years. (I think this is most likely)

Option 2: Gun ownership restricted. Everyone hides there guns. (Less likely)


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