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Posted: 9/6/2005 8:44:01 AM EDT
Link Posted: 9/6/2005 8:46:27 AM EDT
Eric, the city is gone.

Please accept this and move on.

Link Posted: 9/6/2005 9:17:51 AM EDT
Link Posted: 9/6/2005 9:19:08 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/6/2005 9:19:49 AM EDT by operatorerror]
But can it be rebuilt in time for a convention?

ETA I know that it will be rebuilt.
Link Posted: 9/6/2005 9:21:57 AM EDT
Here's a better idea. Lets use the remnants of the city as a MOUT training facility.
Link Posted: 9/6/2005 9:22:05 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Katana16j:
Eric, the city is gone.

Please accept this and move on.




Bunk.

If you think there is any chance that New Orleans will not be rebuilt on site you are very mistaken.

Link Posted: 9/6/2005 9:22:16 AM EDT
Sounds like a good idea to me.
Link Posted: 9/6/2005 9:22:56 AM EDT
Link Posted: 9/6/2005 9:26:34 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Katana16j:
Eric, the city is gone.

Please accept this and move on.




I was there this weekend. It's not gone. You couldn't kill New Orleans with an H bomb.

In fact, right now, at it's worst, it's still better off than most parts of New Jersey.

Good call, Wayne.
Link Posted: 9/6/2005 9:28:05 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/6/2005 9:30:10 AM EDT by Max_Mike]

Originally Posted By EricTheHun:

Originally Posted By operatorerror:
But can it be rebuilt in time for a convention?


Downtown and the French Quarter, heck, even most of the City, didn't suffer any great, lasting damage.

I would imagine that the Downtown area and the French Quarter will be up and running in 60 days or less.

Now, if they decide NOT to rebuild the less-than-historic Ninth Ward...I wouldn't cry a River.

ETA I know that it will be rebuilt.

The President said so!



Eric The(AlwaysOptimistic)Hun



Due to the press coveage many people don't know a large part of the are west of the levees that broke were not flooded. The French Quarter and a good chunk of that area was not affected by the levee break because they are on higher ground.

Just one day after the las levee was plugged in places the water is already down 1 foot. The pictures are bad but is the physical damage really any worse that a flooded Midwest city?
Link Posted: 9/6/2005 9:29:45 AM EDT
I think that's a great idea - the city will still be stinking from the flood, a perfect accompaniment to a city full of ambitious politicians. It will be hard to tell which smells worse, but there will be no doubt that it's rotten.
Link Posted: 9/6/2005 9:30:15 AM EDT
Sounds like a party to me.
Link Posted: 9/6/2005 10:22:35 AM EDT
Even a rebuilt New Orleans is nothing more than a blackout away from another display of anarchy. (no pun intended)

What's a rebuilt New Orleans going to look like? Probably a giant wall around the downtown and French Quarter sections. A big state park in the low lying flooded neighborhoods. A parking lot where the Super Dome used to be. And a stigma that will never be erased.

The thing that makes New Orleans different than any other city on Hun's list is it wasn't destroyed by an act of God or a foreign invader. It was destroyed by its own residents.

This taxpayer isn't going to willingly sit there and watch billions of dollars poured into in a below sea-level flood plain 'protected' by dikes that cannot withstand the hardest punch that nature can deliver. If there ever was a civil works project that needed a clean sheet of paper, it's this one!
Link Posted: 9/6/2005 11:01:18 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/6/2005 11:02:46 AM EDT by EricTheHun]
Link Posted: 9/6/2005 11:05:47 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/6/2005 11:07:47 AM EDT by Zaphod]
Next thing you know they'll be holding it in the Superdome.


ETA: I remember the '77 blackout in NYC. You could see the fires from the buildings in the South Bronx all the way from Flushing. The hulks stood for years, with cardboard fake windows covering the burnt-out real windows so the buildings would be less of an eyesore.

Funny.......... the same kind of people, too.
Link Posted: 9/6/2005 11:09:47 AM EDT
Stupid idea.
Link Posted: 9/6/2005 11:42:12 AM EDT

Originally Posted By EricTheHun:

Originally Posted By TheCommissioner:
Even a rebuilt New Orleans is nothing more than a blackout away from another display of anarchy. (no pun intended)


Much like New York City is but another blackout away from a similar display?

You may remember, back in July, 1977?

content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/0/08/Time-magazine-cover-1977-nyc-blackout.jpg

It was in all the papers.

What would another such 'blackout' bring today? In New York City or any other large American City?

What's a rebuilt New Orleans going to look like?

Pretty nice, I would envision.

"Pretty nice" compared to Haiti.


Probably a giant wall around the downtown and French Quarter sections.

Nonsense.

The City has been flooded before and no 'walls' around the historic areas and downtown were built.

Why now?
'Rebuilding' New Orleans in its present location proves the old cliche about doing the same thing twice and expecting different results is a sign of stupidity!


A big state park in the low lying flooded neighborhoods.

The City Planners should really examine what type of rebuilding should occur in the lowest-lying areas of the City, no doubt.

A parking lot where the Super Dome used to be.

Why would that be?

The Super Dome is very much intact. Replace a bit of roofing, and it would look like any magnificient stadium.

Why are you such an alarmist over something that will impact your own life, so very little?

ESPN is reporting that the owner of the Saints wants to move the team permanently to San Antonio. Smart move since the market is gone. Without a team, it will be very difficult to get funding at a reasonable interest rate. Rebuilding the dome is going to be a low priority when schools, hospitals, etc. need funds too. The owners of the dome will probably take the insurance money and run.

One way, or the other?

And a stigma that will never be erased.

Only in the very small minds of some people.

But I tend NOT to dwell on what the small minds of some folks think....why should such matters be left to the clueless?

'Small minds' worldwide, millions and millions of them, watched while local incompetent elected leaders allowed their city to turn into a third world hell. Rivers of blood are on their hands. That is a stain that isn't going to be cleaned as long as they or their minions are in power. Trust is nearly impossible to restore once it has been lost. How many generations will it take to elect new leadership that doesn't have its roots in the old? Images, much more so than pages in a book, are powerful things and the images aren't going away.


The thing that makes New Orleans different than any other city on Hun's list is it wasn't destroyed by an act of God or a foreign invader. It was destroyed by its own residents.

This City is not 'destroyed', in any sense of that word.

Toxic waste, a problem?

Toxic waste isn't a problem. It is eventually neutralized.

There were fears that Hiroshima and Nagasaki would be uninhabitable for hundreds of years...check out those cities...today.

Such imagined horrors spawned a generation of 'Godzilla' movies for kids...and adolescent-minded adults...but nothing more.

This taxpayer isn't going to willingly sit there and watch billions of dollars poured into in a below sea-level flood plain 'protected' by dikes that cannot withstand the hardest punch that nature can deliver.

Well, get on a bus, Gus!

Carry a sign and predict that the 'World (in New Orleans) Ends Tomorrow', or whatever you wish.

But, please, do not get in the way of the construction workers.

They are kinda rough dudes down here...and are not easily trifled with by misplaced Midwesterners.

The money for reconstruction is going have to come from Midwesterners, Easterners, Westerners, and Southerners. Not everyone is so ignorant that they think investing billions of $$$ in a below sea-level flood plain is a good idea. If Louisiana had the money to rebuild, I'm sure the construction workers would be busy. And when they come to the rest of the country, hat in hand, there must be a plan that guarantees they won't be coming back again.


If there ever was a civil works project that needed a clean sheet of paper, it's this one!

Beginning with the Antiquities Act of 1906, the Feds have taken a very dim view of threatening sites of National Historic importance.

See the Historic Sites Act of 1935...the National Historic Protection Act of 1966... the Archeological and Historical Preservation Act of 1974....the Historical Resources Preservation Act of 1979...and add to that list a great many Louisiana State laws designed to prevent interference with any historic buildings.

So, uh, which historic buildings do you plan on razing?

I'll meet you there...with an injunction....and the Orleans Parish Sheriff!

The looters didn't believe this threat! LOL



Don't 'Mess With N'awlins'!

Eric The(Adamant)Hun



History is full of accounts of great cities that were destroyed and never rebuilt. New Orleans will join the list. Life goes on.
Link Posted: 9/6/2005 11:50:26 AM EDT
Just heard it will cost $150 billion to rebuild.
Link Posted: 9/6/2005 11:56:20 AM EDT
Just move there man. You got a raging hard on for the place as it is.
Link Posted: 9/6/2005 11:59:31 AM EDT

Originally Posted By go3:
Just move there man. You got a raging hard on for the place as it is.



Damn dude!

I think that ETH is from there. I know he went to school there.
Link Posted: 9/6/2005 12:05:12 PM EDT
While I agree that it sends a good signal, I don't think I agree with rebuilding the city.

It's going to cost BILLIONS upon BILLIONS of dollars to do it and what do you get? A city that is BELOW SEA LEVEL along the coast of the GULF OF MEXICO waiting for the next storm (and remember, they WILL be getting worse during this next 40 year cycle).

Fine. If someone wants to move back and rebuild, that's their choice but they can't have a SINGLE dime of my tax dollars to do it. Let them gather the funds privately and create a self-insurance system for the NEXT TIME it happens.

I'm damned if I'm going to pay for someone to be so stupid that WANTS to live below sea-level in the path of hurricanes.

Please no "We can make it better so it will never happen again" talk. Bullshit. While theoretically possible the cost would be enough to colonize the moon instead and there would be huge economic benefits from that, not restocking a socialist welfare city, sucking the rest of us dry in the process.

(that's just my opinion... I could be wrong)
Link Posted: 9/6/2005 12:05:20 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/6/2005 12:05:41 PM EDT by guns762]

Originally Posted By EricTheHun:

What major City do you know of that has never been rebuilt?

Hirsohima?

Nagasaki?
Tokyo?

Mexico City?

Berlin?

If those folks have enough snap in their drawers to rebuild cities that make present-day New Orleans look like a walk in the park...then why wouldn't we rebuild New Orleans?

Enough of this 'defeatist' attitude.

You are in the United States now, and are talking about an American City.

An Historic American City....with more History on a single block than most states.

Eric The(Historic)Hun



I forget? How many of those cities sit below sea level with water on all sides?
guns(thepractical)762
Link Posted: 9/6/2005 12:17:12 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/6/2005 12:20:17 PM EDT by EricTheHun]
Link Posted: 9/6/2005 12:18:07 PM EDT

History is full of accounts of great cities that were destroyed and never rebuilt. New Orleans will join the list.


Current events aren't your strong point, huh?
Link Posted: 9/6/2005 12:28:38 PM EDT
It will be rebuilt. No question.

I don't necessarily agree with all of it. However, it will be rebuilt.

Otherwise it would have to be completely and wholly bulldozed under to keep people from returning and inhabiting it.

The .gov is simply not going to allow that to happen.... unless we did an Escape from NY kind of thing with barbed wire on all the tops of the levees.
Link Posted: 9/6/2005 12:30:23 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/6/2005 12:33:23 PM EDT by Lockedon]

Originally Posted By EricTheHun:

What major City do you know of that has never been rebuilt?
Hirsohima?

Nagasaki?

To­kyo?

Mexico City?

Berlin?

If those folks have enough snap in their drawers to rebuild cities that make present-day New Orleans look like a walk in the park...then why wouldn't we rebuild New Orleans?

Enough of this 'defeatist' attitude.

You are in the United States now, and are talking about an American City.

An Historic American City....with more History on a single block than most states.

Eric The(Historic)Hun





Pompeii


ETA: all the cities you mentioned had human causes for their destruction....That's probably an important point IMO.

But frankly I do believe that they'll rebuilt it anyway.
Link Posted: 9/6/2005 12:30:30 PM EDT
Link Posted: 9/6/2005 12:46:40 PM EDT
Link Posted: 9/6/2005 1:18:01 PM EDT

Originally Posted By EricTheHun:
What major City do you know of that has never been rebuilt?

Hirsohima?

Nagasaki?
Tokyo?

Mexico City?

Berlin?




Carthage

Troy







I say rebuild it. Better than before.

I've never had a chance to go to Mardi Gras.
Link Posted: 9/6/2005 1:20:06 PM EDT
Keep it up and it will be Eric The ('sploding)Hun.

and I thought I was hard headed.

By the way -

New Orleans: founded 1718
Kaskasia, Il: founded 1703
First wooden fort at Fort de Chartres: built 1720
Old Mines, Mo: founded 1723
St. Genevieve, Mo: founded 1735
St. Louis, Mo: founded 1764, but no one cares, it's hey day is gone too.

French mining operations in Missouri date to 1700 and probably earlier; the French were all over the Mississippi Valley before N. Orleans was established. The point is that N. Orleans doesn't have a lock on being an old city, it's unique because it's a low lying old city.

I see on the news the natives are partying down there today.
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