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Posted: 1/17/2015 9:19:14 AM EST
[Last Edit: 1/17/2015 9:26:40 AM EST by JRCmx]
There are way too many guns on their site.

I want to look at a DA/SA with frame safety or decocker in 9mm & .45 with a rail too.

Do such beasts exist?
Opinions wanted.
Thanks
Link Posted: 1/17/2015 9:22:50 AM EST
Safety or decocker. Not both on one gun.
Link Posted: 1/17/2015 9:25:16 AM EST
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Originally Posted By AR-180:
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Decocker then.
Link Posted: 1/17/2015 9:30:53 AM EST
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Originally Posted By Maynard:
The CZ P07/09 pistols offer either a safety or decocker option which you can install yourself.

Both the P07 and P09 have rails.

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The decocker diy option comes with the pistol our is sold separately?
The 07 & 09 are different calibers, .45 & 9mm respectively?
Link Posted: 1/17/2015 9:37:23 AM EST
75BD in P01...no firearm has fit in my hand like that one. 75BD P06 is the same firearm in 40.
My P01 is sitting at Cajun gun works getting a new trigger....yummm can't wait to get it back.
Link Posted: 1/17/2015 9:40:12 AM EST
Link Posted: 1/17/2015 9:40:44 AM EST
P07= compact and P09= full size. Both are 9mm.
Link Posted: 1/17/2015 9:41:34 AM EST
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Originally Posted By JRCmx:

The 07 & 09 are different calibers, .45 & 9mm respectively?
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as stated above, the P-07 is smaller than the P-09, 16 rounds / 3.8" barrel vs 19 rounds / 4.5" (9mm).
Link Posted: 1/17/2015 9:42:13 AM EST
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Originally Posted By JRCmx:


Decocker then.
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Originally Posted By JRCmx:
Originally Posted By AR-180:
Safety or decocker. Not both on one gun.


Decocker then.


Wrong, get the safety version.
Link Posted: 1/17/2015 9:47:10 AM EST
P07 is sexy as hell.
9mm
Safety/Decocker included.
Interchangeable backstraps.
And also sexy.
I want it.
Link Posted: 1/17/2015 9:56:09 AM EST
SP01 Tactical
P01
Link Posted: 1/17/2015 9:58:23 AM EST
If you're not opposed to buying Turkish-made guns, look at the Sarsilmaz (SAR Arms) K2-45. It's a double-stack .45ACP CZ-75 copy. 14+1 rounds of .45ACP. It's a huge steel bastard, though, so not really a CCW weapon...
Link Posted: 1/17/2015 10:14:21 AM EST
Hard to believe I raced CZ motorcycles over 40 years ago. (In Czechoslavakia, CZ is pronounced CHAY-ZED')
Link Posted: 1/17/2015 10:56:14 AM EST
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Originally Posted By RickLafayette:
Hard to believe I raced CZ motorcycles over 40 years ago. (In Czechoslavakia, CZ is pronounced CHAY-ZED')
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A buddy of mine did too.
Then in his early 20's came here to the NE. and raced in the NESC and smoked the novice & amateur classes till he broke his ankle (somebody ran it over while he was picking up his bike at Southwick MX338).
Not sure if it was intentional.
Good Christian guy now with wife an kid in Chech Republic.

Now back to my potential CZ buy.
Why keep it set up for safety?
BLITZ308 got shot because the bad guy heard him take his 1911 off safety.
Link Posted: 1/18/2015 2:25:47 PM EST
Bump for more eyes on.
Link Posted: 1/18/2015 2:28:05 PM EST
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Originally Posted By JRCmx:


Decocker then.
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Originally Posted By JRCmx:
Originally Posted By AR-180:
Safety or decocker. Not both on one gun.


Decocker then.
cz75-sp01 tactical is the answer you seek


to answer your safety vs decocker question? because you can carry them cocked and locked like a 1911. so picture a 1st shot single action trigger pull with 16-18 rounds to play with..
proof of my choice cz75-sp01:


Link Posted: 1/18/2015 2:33:15 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Diesel_Maximus_2992:
cz75-sp01DB is the answer you seek http://www.heisingart.com/guns/CZ75_SP01-01xw.jpg


to answer your why keep the savety version? because you can carry them cocked and locked like a 1911. so picture a 1st shot single action trigger pull with 16-18 rounds to play with..
proof my cz75-sp01:
http://i.imgur.com/sy6T2QW.jpg


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Originally Posted By Diesel_Maximus_2992:
Originally Posted By JRCmx:
Originally Posted By AR-180:
Safety or decocker. Not both on one gun.


Decocker then.
cz75-sp01DB is the answer you seek http://www.heisingart.com/guns/CZ75_SP01-01xw.jpg


to answer your why keep the savety version? because you can carry them cocked and locked like a 1911. so picture a 1st shot single action trigger pull with 16-18 rounds to play with..
proof my cz75-sp01:
http://i.imgur.com/sy6T2QW.jpg




^^ this

http://cz-usa.com/product/cz-75-sp-01-tactical-9mm-black-3-dot-tritium-sights-18-rd-mags/
Link Posted: 1/18/2015 2:44:44 PM EST
IWI will be importing the frame safety version of the Jericho:

http://www.israel-weapon.com/default.asp?catid=%7B3D3829FA-6237-4E0E-B432-439DB2CD768E%7D
Link Posted: 1/18/2015 2:50:15 PM EST
The decocker versions of CZs do not have a trigger as nice as the safety versions. At least in the 75 series. The one P07 I have shot had a nice trigger (can't remember exactly how nice, it was over a year ago.) and I would like to see how that would change with the decocker installed. I do know my 2075 D trigger leaves a lot to be desired.
Link Posted: 1/18/2015 3:03:20 PM EST
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Originally Posted By jestice75:


Wrong, get the safety version.
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Originally Posted By jestice75:
Originally Posted By JRCmx:
Originally Posted By AR-180:
Safety or decocker. Not both on one gun.


Decocker then.


Wrong, get the safety version.


This. Don't get the decocker.
Link Posted: 1/18/2015 3:05:32 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Diesel_Maximus_2992:
cz75-sp01 tactical is the answer you seek
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Originally Posted By Diesel_Maximus_2992:
Originally Posted By JRCmx:
Originally Posted By AR-180:
Safety or decocker. Not both on one gun.


Decocker then.
cz75-sp01 tactical is the answer you seek

to answer your safety vs decocker question? because you can carry them cocked and locked like a 1911. so picture a 1st shot single action trigger pull with 16-18 rounds to play with..
proof of my choice cz75-sp01:


Shadow>Tactical
Link Posted: 1/18/2015 3:06:01 PM EST
OP-What do you want this gun for? Competition, carry, HD?
Link Posted: 1/18/2015 3:28:10 PM EST
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Originally Posted By AR-180:
Safety or decocker. Not both on one gun.
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The people at Ceská Zbrojovka laugh at your first post fail.
Link Posted: 1/18/2015 3:30:45 PM EST
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Originally Posted By d_striker:
OP-What do you want this gun for? Competition, carry, HD?
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This is the correct response.

The best option for you depends on how you intend to use it.

If you intend to shoot competition, go with a SP-01 or P-09.

If you are looking for a versatile utility gun, get the P-07.

If you just want something nice that's also very nice to shoot, get a more traditional CZ 75 without the rail.
Link Posted: 1/18/2015 3:31:36 PM EST
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The people at Ceská Zbrojovka laugh at your first post fail.
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Originally Posted By Bassgasm:
Originally Posted By AR-180:
Safety or decocker. Not both on one gun.


The people at Ceská Zbrojovka laugh at your first post fail.


Will the safety version decock also, like the Beretta's do?
Link Posted: 1/18/2015 3:35:09 PM EST
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Originally Posted By GTwannabe:
IWI will be importing the frame safety version of the Jericho:

http://www.israel-weapon.com/default.asp?catid=%7B3D3829FA-6237-4E0E-B432-439DB2CD768E%7D
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Wow, that's awesome. I had a Jericho compact in .40 SW with the slide safety that I liked but eventually sold.

Definitely wouldn't mind getting a steel full sized 9mm with the frame safety.
Link Posted: 1/18/2015 3:44:12 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Bassgasm:


This is the correct response.

The best option for you depends on how you intend to use it.

If you intend to shoot competition, go with a SP-01 or P-09.

If you are looking for a versatile utility gun, get the P-07.

If you just want something nice that's also very nice to shoot, get a more traditional CZ 75 without the rail.
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Originally Posted By Bassgasm:
Originally Posted By d_striker:
OP-What do you want this gun for? Competition, carry, HD?


This is the correct response.

The best option for you depends on how you intend to use it.

If you intend to shoot competition, go with a SP-01 or P-09.

If you are looking for a versatile utility gun, get the P-07.

If you just want something nice that's also very nice to shoot, get a more traditional CZ 75 without the rail.



I'm thinking HD and range toy.
Link Posted: 1/18/2015 3:51:31 PM EST
I have a P-01 and a PCR in 9mm. The P-01 has a decocker and a rail. I added a lighter weight trigger return spring and an extended/improved firing pin assembly. It has a great trigger pull (6lbs DA/ 3-4 lbs SA and smooth) and is 100% reliable with all ammo I've tested. Check out Cajun gun works for even better trigger options.
Link Posted: 1/18/2015 3:59:28 PM EST
Why do the decocker models have worse triggers?
Link Posted: 1/18/2015 4:04:34 PM EST
Are the safety models, safety only or are they safety with a decocker like the Beretta F models (I have Berettas)?
Link Posted: 1/18/2015 4:12:21 PM EST
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Originally Posted By JRCmx:
Are the safety models, safety only or are they safety with a decocker like the Beretta F models (I have Berettas)?
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You have to manually lower the hammer with the safety models
Link Posted: 1/18/2015 4:15:41 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Rob123456789:


You have to manually lower the hammer with the safety models
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Originally Posted By Rob123456789:
Originally Posted By JRCmx:
Are the safety models, safety only or are they safety with a decocker like the Beretta F models (I have Berettas)?


You have to manually lower the hammer with the safety models


With safety off, lower hammer?
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Originally Posted By Mr_Smiley:
Why do the decocker models have worse triggers?
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supposedly.

i cant tell the difference.

also I'm now a decocker fan.

i was in lock step with the cocked and locked groupies but there is just something about picking up a gun and just pulling the trigger.
Link Posted: 1/18/2015 4:25:03 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Maynard:


In my opinion, that statement is not 100% accurate. Quite a few people use the safety models cocked and locked eliminating the double action pull which makes the safety models more attractive trigger wise.

Also, it's been said by Stuart Wong of CZC that you can tune the decocker triggers nicely, it just takes more effort and time.
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Originally Posted By Maynard:
Originally Posted By Mr_Smiley:
Why do the decocker models have worse triggers?


In my opinion, that statement is not 100% accurate. Quite a few people use the safety models cocked and locked eliminating the double action pull which makes the safety models more attractive trigger wise.

Also, it's been said by Stuart Wong of CZC that you can tune the decocker triggers nicely, it just takes more effort and time.


I disagree with "decocker has worst trigger" statement. I have both and can't tell a difference.

Now the Omega version does have a different trigger.
Link Posted: 1/18/2015 4:36:49 PM EST
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Originally Posted By TheNamelessOne:

supposedly.

i cant tell the difference.

also I'm now a decocker fan.

i was in lock step with the cocked and locked groupies but there is just something about picking up a gun and just pulling the trigger.
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Originally Posted By TheNamelessOne:
Originally Posted By Mr_Smiley:
Why do the decocker models have worse triggers?

supposedly.

i cant tell the difference.

also I'm now a decocker fan.

i was in lock step with the cocked and locked groupies but there is just something about picking up a gun and just pulling the trigger.


I have one of each. I can't really tell a difference either.

Link Posted: 1/18/2015 4:37:25 PM EST
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Originally Posted By jestice75:


Wrong, get the safety version.
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Originally Posted By jestice75:
Originally Posted By JRCmx:
Originally Posted By AR-180:
Safety or decocker. Not both on one gun.


Decocker then.


Wrong, get the safety version.


The safety really doesn't serve a purpose unless A) you want to carry cocked and locked or B) you want a steel framed compact.

I have a cz 75 compact due to reason B, and I don't even carry it cocked and locked.
Link Posted: 1/18/2015 5:17:05 PM EST
I prefer the safety version. You can carry it cocked and locked. If you lower the hammer and go DA/SA the safety wont engage. So you can carry the gun without having a safety.
Link Posted: 1/18/2015 6:47:13 PM EST
I bought a p01 phantom that is fantastically accurate but the trigger sucks, in my opinion, because its a decocker. Last fall I bought p09 that comes with a safety, i.e. 1911, and decocker. I prefer the safety. Very accurate.
Link Posted: 1/20/2015 7:17:15 AM EST
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Originally Posted By TheNamelessOne:

supposedly.

i cant tell the difference.

also I'm now a decocker fan.

i was in lock step with the cocked and locked groupies but there is just something about picking up a gun and just pulling the trigger.
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Originally Posted By TheNamelessOne:
Originally Posted By Mr_Smiley:
Why do the decocker models have worse triggers?

supposedly.

i cant tell the difference.

also I'm now a decocker fan.

i was in lock step with the cocked and locked groupies but there is just something about picking up a gun and just pulling the trigger.

You can still run the safety version in DA on the first trigger pull.
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Originally Posted By d_striker:

You can still run the safety version in DA on the first trigger pull.
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Originally Posted By d_striker:
Originally Posted By TheNamelessOne:
Originally Posted By Mr_Smiley:
Why do the decocker models have worse triggers?

supposedly.

i cant tell the difference.

also I'm now a decocker fan.

i was in lock step with the cocked and locked groupies but there is just something about picking up a gun and just pulling the trigger.

You can still run the safety version in DA on the first trigger pull.


yeah but i didn't care for dropping the hammer on a loaded chamber.
Link Posted: 1/20/2015 8:50:47 AM EST
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I'm thinking HD and range toy.
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Originally Posted By JRCmx:
Originally Posted By Bassgasm:
Originally Posted By d_striker:
OP-What do you want this gun for? Competition, carry, HD?


This is the correct response.

The best option for you depends on how you intend to use it.

If you intend to shoot competition, go with a SP-01 or P-09.

If you are looking for a versatile utility gun, get the P-07.

If you just want something nice that's also very nice to shoot, get a more traditional CZ 75 without the rail.



I'm thinking HD and range toy.


I'd look at the SP-01, the P-09, and the P-07, and probably in that order.
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Originally Posted By MVolkJ:
If you're not opposed to buying Turkish-made guns, look at the Sarsilmaz (SAR Arms) K2-45. It's a double-stack .45ACP CZ-75 copy. 14+1 rounds of .45ACP. It's a huge steel bastard, though, so not really a CCW weapon...
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The CZ 97-B is the only CZ pistol in .45 ACP made today and it is listed under their Discontinued/Limited Production handguns, so I'm not certain that you can even buy one anymore.

The Sarsilmaz K2 in 45 ACP is a near exact close copy except that it has an adjustable rear sight and comes with a 14 round magazine whereas the CZ97 has only a 10 round mag. I've had my copy for about four months and it has become my newest, most favorite, range toy. It's a big gun, all steel with a polished stainless barrel, and is definitely not for CCW (at least not on my 5'-10" 170 lbs frame).

In the short time that I've had it, I've put over two thousand rounds through this pistol, mostly re-loaded cast lead wad cutters, and have experienced zero FFE problems. I have over a dozen handguns in 45 ACP and the only one I own that is more accurate than the K2 is my 6" S&W Model 25 revolver.

Though unknown to most here in the US, Sarsilmaz is the largest firearms manufacturer in Turkey and is the sole provider of weapons to the Turkish Military. The SAR K-2 will also set you back about half the cost of the CZ97.




dp

Link Posted: 1/20/2015 9:35:21 AM EST
My P0-1 has a de-cocker as well as rail.
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Decocker then.
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Originally Posted By AR-180:
Safety or decocker. Not both on one gun.


Decocker then.

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