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Posted: 4/14/2006 9:05:21 AM EST
I took my Garand shooting the other day. It ran through one clip just fine. On the second clip, it fired one round then jammed.

I cannot open the bolt. The operating rod has jumped out of its track in the receiver:



Anyone know how to fix this?
Link Posted: 4/14/2006 9:06:29 AM EST
[Last Edit: 4/14/2006 9:06:59 AM EST by sherrick13]
Link Posted: 4/14/2006 9:06:34 AM EST
take it to a gunsmith!
Link Posted: 4/14/2006 9:14:30 AM EST

You might have to take it to a " smith " to get it apart . Can't tell from your pic .
The lug on the op rod is probably worn . These can be rebuilt pretty reasonably .
Just had mine done by Jim Swartz . If you'r interested , I have his e-mail address around here someplace .
Link Posted: 4/14/2006 9:16:39 AM EST
Get a big rubber mallet and smack that bitch until it opens.
Link Posted: 4/14/2006 9:17:29 AM EST
Remove the trigger group and the lower stock. Remove the recoil spring.

With the stock and spring removed, you can manually reconnect the bolt and op rod, and put the op rod back in its track.
Link Posted: 4/14/2006 9:29:25 AM EST

Originally Posted By SWS:
Remove the trigger group and the lower stock. Remove the recoil spring.

With the stock and spring removed, you can manually reconnect the bolt and op rod, and put the op rod back in its track.



So I can do this even though the bolt is jammed closed and there is a loaded clip in the magazine? I don't even know if there is a live round in the chamber or not.
Link Posted: 4/14/2006 9:31:32 AM EST

Originally Posted By thelastgunslinger:

Originally Posted By SWS:
Remove the trigger group and the lower stock. Remove the recoil spring.

With the stock and spring removed, you can manually reconnect the bolt and op rod, and put the op rod back in its track.



So I can do this even though the bolt is jammed closed and there is a loaded clip in the magazine? I don't even know if there is a live round in the chamber or not.



Since its loaded.. TAKE IT TO A GUNSMITH! We do not need you shot!!
Link Posted: 4/14/2006 9:36:12 AM EST
holy crap i would cry if my m1a did that. be careful
Link Posted: 4/14/2006 9:41:32 AM EST
[Last Edit: 4/14/2006 9:42:34 AM EST by arfreak74]
complete loss. mail it to me and I'll gladly dispose of it for you.


IM me for mailing address.




*fake edit*

AFTER you get the rounds out.
Link Posted: 4/14/2006 9:43:04 AM EST

Originally Posted By arfreak74:
complete loss. mail it to me and I'll gladly dispose of it for you.


IM me for mailing address.








I can just see UPS dropping the box, then BANG! I wonder who's ass would be on the line
Link Posted: 4/14/2006 9:43:55 AM EST
[Last Edit: 4/14/2006 9:45:35 AM EST by jmarkma]

Originally Posted By arfreak74:
complete loss. mail it to me and I'll gladly dispose of it for you.


IM me for mailing address.




*fake edit*

AFTER you get the rounds out.



[Nelson] HA HA! [Nelson] Beat the edit.

Maybe not in time, but without the extra info
Link Posted: 4/14/2006 9:52:16 AM EST

Originally Posted By SWS:
Remove the trigger group and the lower stock. Remove the recoil spring.

With the stock and spring removed, you can manually reconnect the bolt and op rod, and put the op rod back in its track.



+1

Of course, you may have to



Originally Posted By slefelas:
Get a big rubber mallet and smack that bitch until it opens.



Which is what a gunsmith would do.

M1's are pretty rugged. They can take some abuse.

Basically, once you free her up, you just gotta fiddle with it till you get teh op rod back in its track.


Link Posted: 4/14/2006 9:54:50 AM EST
Look at the hammer. If it is cocked, it is loaded. You can see the hammer in the opening just below the sight on the right side of the receiver. If it is visable, it is not cocked.

If not cocked= not loaded. So, remove the trigger group, then no way it can even drop the hammer.

Field strip and remove oprod.

Rotate bolt out of locking lugs and ease it back, the brass will follow.

Once you get this far, come back and post and I will help walk you thru why it did this.
Link Posted: 4/14/2006 9:57:01 AM EST

Originally Posted By thelastgunslinger:
I took my Garand shooting the other day. It ran through one clip just fine. On the second clip, it fired one round then jammed.




Note the correct usage of the term "clip."

sniff.....sniffff....its a beautiful thing.......

Link Posted: 4/14/2006 9:57:19 AM EST
Lets resume this discussion in the M1 forum in the Armory area, I will never be able to find it in general.
Link Posted: 4/14/2006 10:01:03 AM EST
[Last Edit: 4/14/2006 10:02:46 AM EST by DnPRK]
Remove gas plug.
Remove gas cylinder lock.
Gently tap the gas cylinder forward to free the piston end of the op rod.

The lug on the op rod that rides in the slot on the right side of the receiver is probably too worn to stay in the slot.
Link Posted: 4/14/2006 10:05:47 AM EST

Originally Posted By ar-wrench:
Lets resume this discussion in the M1 forum in the Armory area, I will never be able to find it in general.



I am going to cross post this there...
Link Posted: 4/14/2006 10:20:46 AM EST
Is this what happens when you shoot hunting ammo through a Garand?
Link Posted: 4/14/2006 10:30:44 AM EST
have we established if the hammer is forward or still lacked back, thus letting the owner know if he has a live and potentially dangerous round in the chamber?

If it were my M1 that had this problem, I would check the hammer for position, and then proceed with pulling out the trigger group and gas system.
Link Posted: 4/14/2006 10:30:58 AM EST

Originally Posted By motown_steve:
Is this what happens when you shoot hunting ammo through a Garand?



I was shooting M2 Ball from the CMP.
Link Posted: 4/14/2006 10:31:14 AM EST
This same damn thing happened to me when I was shoooting my Garand for the second time. It went back together just fine, but I never shot Korean ammo again. And I've never had another malfunction.
Link Posted: 4/14/2006 10:33:03 AM EST
[Last Edit: 4/14/2006 10:43:58 AM EST by thelastgunslinger]

Originally Posted By 2T2_Crash:
have we established if the hammer is forward or still lacked back, thus letting the owner know if he has a live and potentially dangerous round in the chamber?

If it were my M1 that had this problem, I would check the hammer for position, and then proceed with pulling out the trigger group and gas system.



The hammer is forward, I think. I will post a pic in a second.

Link Posted: 4/14/2006 10:42:45 AM EST
Just field strip it. I had the same thing happen. It is not jammed; it is under tension and is awkward because it has jumped the rail. Once you remove the return spring you can pull it back real easy and slide it back in.
Link Posted: 4/14/2006 10:44:37 AM EST

Originally Posted By ar-wrench:

...Rotate bolt out of locking lugs and ease it back, the brass will follow....



My "beater" Garand did this once. I had to to tap on a locking lug with a brass rod to get the bolt to rotate out.

Turned out to be a simple lubrication problem.
Link Posted: 4/14/2006 10:45:19 AM EST

Originally Posted By ar15_rifleman:
Just field strip it. I had the same thing happen. It is not jammed; it is under tension and is awkward because it has jumped the rail. Once you remove the return spring you can pull it back real easy and slide it back in.



Agreed, but before he unlocks the TG, he needs to know if it has a live one in the pipe.

Unlocking the TG will cock the hammer.

I am 90% sure it is unloaded, but should make sure.
Link Posted: 4/14/2006 10:48:05 AM EST
[Last Edit: 4/14/2006 10:49:47 AM EST by ar-wrench]
Yup, hammer is forward.

Field strip, remove follower rod and spring, oprod should remove easily as it is dismounted. No need to remove gas cyl

Report when done


Link Posted: 4/14/2006 10:56:49 AM EST
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