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Break into her house in the middle of the night, ought to scare some sense into them  

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She did say that maybe she would feel different had anything bad ever actually happened to her... I'm thinking "no fucking shit, tard..."

She literally told me that thinking about or preparing for pretty much anything bad happening is demoralizing, too much effort/too stressful, and a waste of time. We talked about prepping a bit as well (she thinks I'm a survivalist now i'm pretty sure, which I think is funny) and somehow to her the idea of even so much as buying a flat of bottled water and some beans or whatever to keep in the pantry somehow equals living your life in fear. (She'd FREAK if she saw some members preps... )

She's completely 110% libtarded and I don't think that will ever change but she want's stats and I'll give em to her.... I know some of you have links to some really solid stuff (i did too til I lost it all...) who's got something I can't pull out of gunfacts 5.0...?

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First, teach her that the correct spelling is educate...

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As with just about all political positions, it isn't something people look at with a dispassionate, purely rational clean slate on the basis of numbers alone.

The aim is not to 'educate' people that disagree with gun rights, it is to convince them.

The problem is what they believe, not what they know.

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As with just about all political positions, it isn't something people look at with a dispassionate, purely rational clean slate on the basis of numbers alone.

The aim is not to 'educate' people that disagree with gun rights, it is to convince them.

The problem is what they believe, not what they know.

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MANY people look cold hard facts in the face and ignore them.  Facts that they know to be true - and just don't care.

Just shy of a lifestyle and immediate circle of friends change, this woman will never change her mind... unless as she said herself, something happens to her drastic enough to convince her otherwise.

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Well I'm trying to at least convince her that guns aren't evil.  Getting her to acknowledge that they are in fact useful tools that increase your chances of coming away from a violent encounter unharmed (among other uses) would be nice too...




Yeah, most probably a lost cause and I have no reason at all to care... really I think bickering with her just got me all riled up and now I just want the damn moonbat to admit that I'm right... I just hate not "winning" a debate...

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Well I'm trying to at least convince her that guns aren't evil.  Getting her to acknowledge that they are in fact useful tools that increase your chances of coming away from a violent encounter unharmed (among other uses) would be nice too...




Yeah, most probably a lost cause and I have no reason at all to care... really I think bickering with her just got me all riled up and now I just want the damn moonbat to admit that I'm right... I just hate not "winning" a debate...

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Remind her that something like 45,000 Americans die every year in car accidents.

Show her what happened after Katrina.

A lot can happen in that 5 min "respone time."

The majority of the time Americans do not even need to fire a gun for it to protect them.

Licensing and regristration only have one purpose............eventual confiscation........which leads to Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Pol-Pot, etc.

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You were doing so well, until you got to the end.





It's a lie to say that registration and licensing have only "one purpose" and that that purpose is confiscation. And then you go completely off the deep end with the hitler/stalin/etc comment.





Licensing and registration have many purposes, much more benign than confiscation.





If you jump to ridiculous conclusions, you'll look crazy and you won't convince the person you're supposed to convince.

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ETA: And what the fuck is with these liberal women who are so opposed to violence that they wouldn't even defend themselves if being attacked? Asked both this woman and her daughter point blank if they would kill someone who was trying to rape them... option A: get raped, option B: Kill your attacker... both of them refuse to commit to an answer, because they wont say that they're just going to lie there and take it, but oh no they could never kill their attacker because his life is worth just as much as theirs or some insane bullshit.... Oi....

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You were doing so well, until you got to the end.

It's a lie to say that registration and licensing have only "one purpose" and that that purpose is confiscation. And then you go completely off the deep end with the hitler/stalin/etc comment.

Licensing and registration have many purposes, much more benign than confiscation.

If you jump to ridiculous conclusions, you'll look crazy and you won't convince the person you're supposed to convince.

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You were doing so well, until you got to the end.

It's a lie to say that registration and licensing have only "one purpose" and that that purpose is confiscation. And then you go completely off the deep end with the hitler/stalin/etc comment.

Licensing and registration have many purposes, much more benign than confiscation.

If you jump to ridiculous conclusions, you'll look crazy and you won't convince the person you're supposed to convince.

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She did say that maybe she would feel different had anything bad ever actually happened to her... I'm thinking "no fucking shit, tard..."

She literally told me that thinking about or preparing for pretty much anything bad happening is demoralizing, too much effort/too stressful, and a waste of time. We talked about prepping a bit as well (she thinks I'm a survivalist now i'm pretty sure, which I think is funny) and somehow to her the idea of even so much as buying a flat of bottled water and some beans or whatever to keep in the pantry somehow equals living your life in fear. (She'd FREAK if she saw some members preps... )

She's completely 110% libtarded and I don't think that will ever change but she wants stats and I'll give em to her.... I know some of you have links to some really solid stuff (i did too til I lost it all...) who's got something I can't pull out of gunfacts 5.0...?

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A RIGHT IS A RIGHT! The 2nd A affirms our right to keep and bear arms without government interference, as the 1st does to affirm your right to post on the internet. Historically totalitarian regimes went after freedom of the press and freedom to keep and bear arms at the same time.

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The second amendment doesn't mention anything about government interference.

The second amendment prohibits the government from preventing us from keeping and bearing arms.

It can interfere so long as it does not prevent.

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It actually prohibits the government from "infringing" on the right to bear arms.

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I had a friend who was anti-gun. Right up until some son of a bitch broke into her home and raped her in her own bed in the middle of the night. Now she's the only hippie chick who sleeps with a .45 under her pillow that I know.

Sometimes it takes a traumatic event to change someone's mind-she's now a full supporter of the Second-to the point of believing that ANY restrictions on firearms ownership are wrong.

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A RIGHT IS A RIGHT! The 2nd A affirms our right to keep and bear arms without government interference, as the 1st does to affirm your right to post on the internet. Historically totalitarian regimes went after freedom of the press and freedom to keep and bear arms at the same time.

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The second amendment doesn't mention anything about government interference.

The second amendment prohibits the government from preventing us from keeping and bearing arms.

It can interfere so long as it does not prevent.

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LMAO... I was going for "Edjumicate" but then realized that I didn't know how to properly misspell educate to my own satisfaction, and... yeah, oops...





Definitely some major failing on my part though...




I SWEAR I'm not retarded... well.. not full retarded anyway....
ETA: Fixed, so I don't get a million more well deserved replies from the spelling brigade, but for the record I failed to see "Edjucate" as a typo before hitting submit... That's right folks, and I went to college and everything...

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To the hardcore anti, the concept that guns are bad and firearm ownership is wrong, is not a fact.



It is a belief; an article of faith.



You cannot use facts to convince them otherwise, any more than you could use facts to dissuade someone from their belief in God.



A person who just didn't know much about guns, sure.



However, a "true believer"? You're wasting your time.

Finally, for the first time, a gun-free world is truly within our grasp — and it's time to see what man hath wrought. And for that, all we have to do is take a look back at the kind of world our ancestors lived in.

To say that life in the pre-gunpowder world was violent would be an understatement. Land travel, especially over long distances, was fraught with danger from murderers, robbers, and other criminals. Most women couldn't protect themselves from rape, except by granting unlimited sexual access to one male in exchange for protection from other males.

Back then, weapons depended on muscle power. Advances in weaponry primarily magnified the effect of muscle power. The stronger one is, the better one's prospects for fighting up close with an edged weapon like a sword or a knife, or at a distance with a bow or a javelin (both of which require strong arms). The superb ability of such "old-fashioned" edged weapons to inflict carnage on innocents was graphically demonstrated by the stabbing deaths of eight second graders on June 8, 2001, by former school clerk Mamoru Takuma in gun-free Osaka, Japan.

When it comes to muscle power, young men usually win over women, children, and the elderly. It was warriors who dominated society in gun-free feudal Europe, and a weak man usually had to resign himself to settle on a life of toil and obedience in exchange for a place within the castle walls when evil was afoot.
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To imagine a world with no guns is to imagine a world in which the strong rule the weak, in which women are dominated by men, and in which minorities are easily abused or mass-murdered by majorities. Practically speaking, a firearm is the only weapon that allows a weaker person to defend himself from a larger, stronger group of attackers, and to do so at a distance. As George Orwell observed, a weapon like a rifle "gives claws to the weak."

The failure of imagination among people who yearn for a gun-free world is their naive assumption that getting rid of claws will get rid of the desire to dominate and kill. They fail to acknowledge the undeniable fact that when the weak are deprived of claws (or firearms), the strong will have access to other weapons, including sheer muscle power. A gun-free world would be much more dangerous for women, and much safer for brutes and tyrants.