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Posted: 9/14/2004 1:48:04 PM EDT
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Relax...Rather will bury himself soon enough...the documents are forgeries...it's only a matter of time...it's not going away, folks...
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Posted: 9/14/2004 1:49:48 PM EDT
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And just look who is first on the list? That's right! Our old pals NISSAN... but why the .jp email? They are owned by THE FRENCH http://www.renault.com/gb/groupe/alliances_p1.htm Effin French Effers. |
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Posted: 9/14/2004 1:56:02 PM EDT
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Do we really want to destroy CBS? Thats a bit harsh.
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Posted: 9/14/2004 1:57:22 PM EDT
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My first  !Get outta here, beotch. |
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Posted: 9/14/2004 2:10:50 PM EDT
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Wow speaking of harsh. My buddy was right when he said it takes a thick skin over here. What brought that on? My first post and I get slammed for no reason. Should I will stick to the firearm side of the board? |
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Posted: 9/14/2004 2:22:46 PM EDT
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Posted: 9/14/2004 2:25:46 PM EDT
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Is that you Dan? Glad you found your way here old man. You'll get your ass handed to you here if you lie, you know. |
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Posted: 9/14/2004 2:40:41 PM EDT
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I may actually watch the old goat tonight as he staggers out to the newsdesk for what could be the last time, hollering at producers and rambling incoherently, the "Greatest Former Anchor Ever" may yet have a surprise or two for the audience yet as he covers his mouth and OMG pulls his dentures out, hurling them at the camera then feebly attempting to gum a reluctant CBS intern in her groinal area GO DAN!!
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Posted: 9/14/2004 2:48:24 PM EDT
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Rather is such a facking asshole. Remember the Saddam interviews.
He was practically suckin his d@*. "F" CBS, ABC, NBC and the new
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Posted: 9/14/2004 2:51:36 PM EDT
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+1 Such an obvious Do you work for CBS or are you just a DUer? |
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Posted: 9/14/2004 2:57:56 PM EDT
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First post and this shit? OF FUCKING COURSE we want to destroy CBS...and NBC...and ABC...and CNN and all the other ultra left wing liberal fucknut media such as the New York Times, etc. etc. etc. blah, blah, blah. There are any number of honest and relatively unbiased organizations...newspapers, television, radio and internet-based, out there in the "New Media" who can...and will...tell it like it REALLY is. Yes, you DO need to go elsewhere...back to DU would probably be appropriate... |
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Posted: 9/14/2004 3:01:51 PM EDT
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Posted: 9/14/2004 3:04:24 PM EDT
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Goodbye to All That
Dan Rather goes the way of the dinosaurs. I love the CBS News forged-document story. To paraphrase the abominable snowman from the Bugs Bunny cartoons, I want to hug it and squeeze it and name it George. Okay, I don't want to name it George, but you get my drift. If this story were hot fudge, I would smear it all over my body and then roll around in nougat. Before I go on, please take a minute to finish your dry heaves of disgust as you purge that image from your minds. Anyway, to yank you viciously from one metaphorical frame of mind to another, the PowerLine blog may be the Gavrilo Princip of the New Media Age. Or maybe it was that poster at Free Republic. A quick refresher in world history. Prior to World War I, the world was a huge ball of molten slag and gaseous muck. But that's not important right now. Immediately prior to World War I, the world was divvied up into huge power blocs, basically known as empires. The rulers, bureaucrats, aristocrats, intellectuals, and guys in funny wigs running these empires refused to accept that their way of life was unsustainable, that the curtain was closing on their chapter under the sun ("Jonah Goldberg doesn't merely mix metaphors, he snaps their spines!" — self-blurb). A relatively unknown loser (no offense to the PowerLine guys, Freep, et al.) shot Arch Duke Ferdinand and the whole house of cards came down. Some empires were obliged to help their allies. Others were just greedy, seeing opportunities in others' weakness. The point — which doesn't warrant extremely close inspection — is that the giants seemed extremely powerful right until they fell over. Moreover, what caused them to fall over was their desire to prove that they were as strong as they used to be, that they were still the Engines of History, Masters of their Fates, and the Inspiration of Needlessly Ornate Furniture. Something similar is going on with the Media Empires of today. Powerline or the blogosphere generally — which would be the "Black Hand" in this analogy — spotted the now-obvious fraudulent nature of these documents immediately. The charge is the journalistic equivalent of an assassin's bullet for Dan Rather. Had he refused to go to war in defense of these documents, he might have survived. Instead he's determined to go the way of the Hapsburgs and his career is over. Oh sure, he'll probably ride out this election and retire in the next couple years with crates full of gold watches, plaques, awards, and attaboys from the establishment media. But the inevitable fact is that he will be drawn into a war he cannot win. The very best he can do is defend the slender possibility that these documents could be real. At this point it seems impossible that he can prove they are real. Indeed, Rather has already largely conceded all this. His defenses are all about how you can't prove the documents are false, as if the burden of proof for a journalistic icon is for other people to prove what he says is wrong rather than for him to prove it is right. And, for Rather, this kind of draw is a loss. This could drag on for days or weeks or months. But even if it's days, the bleeding will be fatal. Already, the man looks like a sad buffoon, in denial that the quicksand is already up to his chest. His flailing about "partisan operatives" being behind the backlash makes him sound like the Norma Desmond of Big Journalism. Someone tell me when ABC News and the Washington Post become arms of the RNC, because I would love to see that memo. But before I believed it, I'd study the size of the "th"s a bit more closely than Dan did. Remember when Joe Gillis told Norma Desmond: "You're Norma Desmond. You used to be in silent pictures. You used to be big." She responded, I am big. It's the pictures that got small. Dan Rather has flipped this around. The news is still big, but Rather has gotten very, very small. The folks at Powerline compare the willingness of Dan Rather to chase a partisan hit job into the land of fiction to the revolution of suicide bombing. The sudden willingness, indeed eagerness, of terrorists to die with their victims changed the whole paradigm of national security. Similarly, Rather was willing to destroy himself in pursuit of a partisan attack. It's an okay analogy, but it misses a crucial point. Dan Rather didn't think he was going to blow himself up. He believed he was invulnerable. He was the equivalent of some powdered-wigged fool who believed that Austria would come out on the other side of a short battle with its reputation enhanced. Instead, it revealed that CBS News is really the Sick Man of Big Media. I have no desire to go trolling around inside Dan Rather's brain. We all know from Star Trek that a mind-meld with such an alien psyche could leave me permanently damaged. But it's clear that Dan Rather doesn't understand what's going on any more than those poor last dinosaurs understood why the tasty green fronds became so hard to find when it got cloudy. As an icon of the old world of big media, his self-inflicted extinction will surely be recognized as the end of not merely Dan Rather, but the age of Dan Rathers. I don't have any better idea about what's coming next than the folks in 1914 did. I don't think blogs have the ability to replace CBS News any more than Gavrilo Princip and the Black Hand could replace the Hapsburgs. Blogs are great but they can't do the heavy lifting of investigative journalism. But it seems obvious to me that we are officially at the Goodbye To All That moment of old media. Anyway, let me make one directly partisan point while I'm at it. Dan Rather considers it outrageous and offensive that anyone would question the judgment that led to this situation. He defends what appear to be very shoddy methods (reading letters over the phone to sources, asking sources not to talk to the press, etc.), as if only a "partisan" or a fool would question them. Well, if you agree with Rather, maybe you should give just a smidgen more slack to George W. Bush about the failure to find weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. Bush's sources were more solid by several orders of magnitude than Rather's, and yet it is "obvious" to so many that Bush lied while Rather deserves the benefit of the doubt. George W. Bush had the head of the CIA, the intelligence agencies of all our allies, the Clinton administration, the United Nations, and most of the establishment media generally backing his understanding of the threat from Iraq. Dan Rather had a couple shoddy Xeroxes — not all of which were examined thoroughly or at all. He interviewed a partisan — Ben Barnes — a huge backer of Kerry whose story has changed several times. But because many who hate Bush believe he lied, they are willing to believe any lies that confirm what they already know to be true. You might say the same to me, since I'm one of those people who've seen Dan Rather as a joke for a very long time. Fair enough. The difference is that I have better evidence on my side. |
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Posted: 9/14/2004 3:05:23 PM EDT
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Rather retires next year on schedule. He is after all just a tool.
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Posted: 9/14/2004 3:06:48 PM EDT
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hmmm, first five minutes of the CBS News was Irag in flames, bodies, blood, second story is Hurrican Ivan.... nothing yet about BOGUS STORIES...
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Posted: 9/14/2004 3:10:12 PM EDT
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heeheheheheheheheh |
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Posted: 9/14/2004 3:10:15 PM EDT
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but I like CSI and they have the most HD programming
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Posted: 9/14/2004 3:19:44 PM EDT
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Segment coming up "Is Bush dealing with what he did or didn't do with the National Guard?"
same sarcastic attitude Showing Mcauliffe & the Democratic ad "Laura Bush offered no evidence to back up her claim that the docs might have been forgeries" unfreakingbelievable THen a clip of the brother of a dead soldier claiming his brother died trying to make an honest man out of George Bush. Nothing too low, eh CBS? Exploit that grief. Bravo. Fuck CBS. advertisers tonight: Pillsbury & Nexium & Lifesavers & Capital One & Windex & Zocor & shuteye.com (Sanofi-Synthelabo sleep products - another FRENCH company) & First Alert & Maalox too pissed off to watch the rest.  |
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Posted: 9/14/2004 3:23:22 PM EDT
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I haven't watched a major network's newscast in getting close to 12 years now - no CBS, no NBC, no ABC, and no CNN. I will watch the local news and FOX national news but the over the top bias just pisses me off too much.
Letters to sponsors are effective. |
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Posted: 9/14/2004 3:26:48 PM EDT
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Igor Quite right. Maybe I am in the wrong place. I thought people here valued freedom of all sorts. Not just the ones they agree with. That being said if AR15.com has the power to destroy the above mentioned groups I would REALLY like to see that kind of power. DU is for democraps. I am a VERY consertive republican who happens to own and shoot many guns and have a significant collection many would like to have. Far from a DU'er or CBS employee. Come to think of it, maybe you are in the wrong place with your kill all who oppose me attitude. I have been looking around for a bit and am quite sure VERY few here share your opinion to destroy the freedoms we value so high. Then again maybe you are just some young punk that has yet to grow up. I can look past that, but it may not be the case. You may be some bitter old man with a demented mind on what a free socitey should be. Anyway, more power to your destruction and I hope you get well. |
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Posted: 9/14/2004 3:27:24 PM EDT
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CBS isn't worth my time.
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Posted: 9/14/2004 3:28:03 PM EDT
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Catch up Paul. Fox is now THE major network for news. Has been for over a year. |
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Posted: 9/14/2004 3:36:40 PM EDT
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Posted: 9/14/2004 3:39:29 PM EDT
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PWNED!!!!! |
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Posted: 9/14/2004 3:42:32 PM EDT
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Messages sent. Thanx for the links.
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Posted: 9/14/2004 3:46:54 PM EDT
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Lighten up guys, way too early to pass judgement. Time will tell.
Giving the benefit of the doubt, Welcome Fat Cobra. As you can see, some are very opinionated. Stick around awhile. Semper Fi! |
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Posted: 9/14/2004 3:48:27 PM EDT
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Remember how Rather referred to GWB as "Bush" and SADDAM HUSSIEN corrected him to say "President Bush". Saddam showed more respect for our President than Dan Rather. I HATE THAT COMMUNIST BASTARD! |
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Posted: 9/14/2004 3:50:09 PM EDT
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Destroy CBS ? Easy, just turn off the TV.
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Posted: 9/14/2004 3:52:29 PM EDT
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Hey! FatCobra!
There is a difference between having a right to an opinion and presenting your opinion as FACT to the gullible public! All you have to do is to review the debate that Peter Jennings and Mike Wallace had several years ago. Listen to this little jewel of Journalistic hubris (and, I might say, treason): "At a media forum at the Brookings Institution, Mike Wallace of 60 Minutes was, for a change, on the hot seat, answering questions about the past, present and future of broadcast news. Like many of those he interviews, Wallace did a bit of a reversal under fire. Asked why the media were not reporting on terrorism issues before Sept. 11, the veteran broadcaster replied in part that "We were fat, happy and arrogant." When asked by the panel moderator if he included 60 Minutes in that assessment, Wallace replied, "I'm including all of American journalism." "Eventually, the moderator agreed to open the floor to questions and turned first to a reporter from INSIGHT, who cited controversial remarks Wallace made at an earlier "ethics roundtable." Back in the 1980s, a moderator asked a panel of newsmen, including Wallace, what they would do if they were traveling with and covering enemy forces and realized U.S. troops were walking into a deadly ambush. "Another panelist, ABC's Peter Jennings, initially said he would try to warn the troops, but the scrappy Wallace disagreed, insisting that his duty as a reporter would outweigh his sentiments as an American. Jennings quickly came around, but U.S. military personnel both on and off that roundtable expressed outrage at the Wallace remarks. "So naturally INSIGHT's reporter asked Wallace if he still holds those views about protecting a news source at the expense of the lives of others and whether that would apply today to a reporter covering, say, Hamas terrorists in Palestine when the newsman had direct knowledge of a pending suicide attack on civilians. "Wallace first pointed out that the Vietnam hypothetical was a difficult one. He recalled that he listened to Jennings' response before answering: "I said I disagree for the following reasons: I'm a reporter. I am covering a story. It's apparent that I'm not going to survive if I shout. You know, they'll kill me, and I don't know that I'm necessarily going to save any lives. When you're sitting there [at the roundtable] at that moment, with [the former U.S. commander in Vietnam Gen. William] Westmoreland sitting to your right ... and a variety of reporters who had covered Vietnam, you don't know whether to punt or run. It's a tough one, and I think, in retrospect, particularly with a suicide, I mean, if I knew a suicide bomb was about to go off and I stand there as a reporter? Not in a million years." "Moderator Marvin Kalb interjected: 'You would try to stop it?' "Wallace confirmed, 'I would try to stop it.' "So there are rimes when being a journalist doesn't mean abstention from any kind of action?" Kalb ventured. "That is correct," Wallace said. "It was a reversal, all right, showing that in addition to making waves as a tough television reporter, Wallace still knows how to make news in front of the camera. JOHN BERLAU IS A WRITER AND SAM MACDONALD IS A REPORTER FOR Insight. COPYRIGHT 2002 News World Communications, Inc. COPYRIGHT 2002 Gale Group http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1571/is_22_18/ai_87917177 I remember that debate clearly, and Peter Jennings, after the diatribe by Wallace, changed his answer to not warning the American troops of the pending ambush! How about that! The Canadian's first instinct was to warn the American soldiers, while the American's view was to NOT war the American troops! What a patriot that POS is, and remains. BTW, here is more on the rest of that debate, when the non-journalists were presented with the same scenario: "Ogletree [the moderator of the panel] turns to Brent Scrowcroft, now the National Security Adviser, who argues "you're Americans first, and you're journalists second." Wallace is mystified by the concept, wondering "what in the world is wrong with photographing this attack by North Kosanese on American soldiers?" Retired General William Westmoreland then points out that "it would be repugnant to the American listening public to see on film an ambush of an American platoon by our national enemy." "A few minutes later Ogletree notes the "venomous reaction" from George Connell, a Marine Corps Colonel. "I feel utter contempt. Two days later they're both walking off my hilltop, they're two hundred yards away and they get ambushed. And they're lying there wounded. And they're going to expect I'm going to send Marines up there to get them. They're just journalists, they're not Americans." "Wallace and Jennings agree, "it's a fair reaction." The discussion concludes as Connell says: "But I'll do it. And that's what makes me so contemptuous of them. And Marines will die, going to get a couple of journalists." http://www.mediaresearch.org/cyberalerts/2001/cyb20011010.asp#4 Eric The(Sensible)Hun 
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Posted: 9/14/2004 3:59:17 PM EDT
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Emails sent.
I have had enough of big media bashing my rights and spreading lies about real Americans and real freedom. Who would have thought destroying Pravda under Stalin would be a bad thing? CBS et al are so in the tank for Kerry it is sickening. I'm tired of PC crap being shoved down my throat and selective approval of the bill of rights by these dirtbags. [hippy]Speak truth to power![/hippy]  G23c |
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Posted: 9/14/2004 4:00:37 PM EDT
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How about we just destroy CBS News? Destroying all of CBS seems a little excessive. They have some perfectly decent shows. Well, they probably do. I don't really know since I mostly watch History, Fox News, and FX.
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Posted: 9/14/2004 4:01:51 PM EDT
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cbs hasn't had a show worth watching in.... i can't ever remeber them having a show worth watching.
Buh BYe |
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Posted: 9/14/2004 7:26:13 PM EDT
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Posted: 9/14/2004 7:30:07 PM EDT
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I seriously cannot remember the last time I watched a show on CBS.
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Posted: 9/14/2004 7:40:05 PM EDT
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Exactly imo. CBS is liars and bastards. And you must destroy it where you can. |
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Posted: 9/14/2004 7:43:57 PM EDT
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Posted: 9/14/2004 7:57:43 PM EDT
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Hello, McFly? I think you're fogetting a little show called Survivor? Season premiere this Thursday on CBS? |
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Posted: 9/14/2004 9:46:57 PM EDT
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Best way is to move out of the way and let them go, they're doing a damn good job all by themselves.
Wonder how Letterman is doing. Must be going crazy over all the jokes he can't do. A Dan Rather 10 best list??? |
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Posted: 9/14/2004 10:05:49 PM EDT
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The last show CBS aired that I would bother watching is Tour Of Duty. So we are talking 1987-1990. CBS sux. CBS News sux even more. And Dan Rather sux more than anything has sucked before. Well, almost.
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Posted: 9/15/2004 7:38:13 AM EDT
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I just noticed that was post # 357 for me. Fitting.
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