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Posted: 4/6/2017 4:10:32 PM EDT
Update below, but summarized: Microsoft will not provide updates for a Kaby Lake processor on Windows 7 or 8.1 (I have Win 7)
Looking to make something decent, but not a gaming PC Main uses of PC: Compiling Code, Routing FPGA/nets, circuit board design, pspice circuit simulation, photoshop/gimp, Sony Vegas Video editing, lots of surfing and a bit of watching pr0n on dual displays. Still a lot of 32 bit code as Xilinx design studio and MPLAB X are still 32 bit, while photoshop/gimp and movie editing are 64 bit. Completed. System specs click on the benchmark pic: Have an Nvidia 780GTX video card already, also have 32GB DDR3 RAM, hard drives, but will add an SSD Budget is sub-700, less the better, but USB 3.1 is a requirement, as well as PCIe x1 slots that are accessible, not next to the video card slot which covers two board slots. Here's what I came up with, let me know of any greivous errors or oversights. Been a LONG time since I even messed with this. Intel Won on Merit (see Below) Here is "The Intel Solution" https://pcpartpicker.com/list/F7xhxY |
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Couple of thoughts.
I'm neutral in the AMD vs Intel fight - both have their pro's and con's. That said, I wouldn't touch any of AMD's stuff prior to the new Ryzen's. For a budget box that's not going to game, IPC will be a LOT more important, and an I3-7100 at $119 will eat alive the low end AMD's at IPC. Assuming you follow my advice, you won't need a separate GPU (like your old 780gtx), which will save you money in power consumption, and save you money by.... Your chosen power supply is MASSIVE over kill for a non gaming box. I'd step down to something like this. https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?item=N82E16817151074 ETA: almost forgot to make a motherboard suggestion if you go Intel. A lot of the motherboards are using "fake" bullshit USB 3.1 (it's really usb 3.0 with a new marketing term - usb 3.1 gen 1). You want usb 3.1 gen 2, which is rated at 10gbps. I recommend the following. https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157738 |
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A lot of the motherboards are using "fake" bullshit USB 3.1 (it's really usb 3.0 with a new marketing term - usb 3.1 gen 1). You want usb 3.1 gen 2, which is rated at 10gbps. I recommend the following. https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157738 View Quote |
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Couple of thoughts. I'm neutral in the AMD vs Intel fight - both have their pro's and con's. That said, I wouldn't touch any of AMD's stuff prior to the new Ryzen's. For a budget box that's not going to game, IPC will be a LOT more important, and an I3-7100 at $119 will eat alive the low end AMD's at IPC. Assuming you follow my advice, you won't need a separate GPU (like your old 780gtx), which will save you money in power consumption, and save you money by.... Your chosen power supply is MASSIVE over kill for a non gaming box. I'd step down to something like this. https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?item=N82E16817151074 ETA: almost forgot to make a motherboard suggestion if you go Intel. A lot of the motherboards are using "fake" bullshit USB 3.1 (it's really usb 3.0 with a new marketing term - usb 3.1 gen 1). You want usb 3.1 gen 2, which is rated at 10gbps. I recommend the following. https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157738 View Quote The info for the ASUS motherboard shows the specs at 10GB/S on the USB, which is faster than the 5GB/s of another ASUS board that is twice as much, and doesn't have enough PCIe slots. The problem with switching to Intel is also I'd have to buy new RAM, pushing me far over the $700 budget unless I went with only 8GB and an i3. Main uses of PC: Compiling Code, Routing FPGA/nets, circuit board design, pspice circuit simulation, photoshop/gimp, Sony Vegas Video editing, lots of surfing and a bit of watching pr0n on dual displays. Still a lot of 32 bit code as Xilinx design studio and MPLAB X are still 32 bit, while photoshop/gimp and movie editing are 64 bit. The AMD x4 Phenom II was just below adequate with the video card, so the one a generation newer should be OK, especially with SSD, won't it? Openoffice is the office software, Windows 7 is the OS, if I can get it activated on the New Motherboard (my biggest fear is they'll shove Win10 down my throat, at which point I switch to Ubuntu and say screw video editing). |
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Thanks! The info for the ASUS motherboard shows the specs at 10GB/S on the USB, which is faster than the 5GB/s of another ASUS board that is twice as much, and doesn't have enough PCIe slots. The problem with switching to Intel is also I'd have to buy new RAM, pushing me far over the $700 budget unless I went with only 8GB and an i3. Main uses of PC: Compiling Code, Routing FPGA/nets, circuit board design, pspice circuit simulation, photoshop/gimp, Sony Vegas Video editing, lots of surfing and a bit of watching pr0n on dual displays. Still a lot of 32 bit code as Xilinx design studio and MPLAB X are still 32 bit, while photoshop/gimp and movie editing are 64 bit. The AMD x4 Phenom II was just below adequate with the video card, so the one a generation newer should be OK, especially with SSD, won't it? Openoffice is the office software, Windows 7 is the OS, if I can get it activated on the New Motherboard (my biggest fear is they'll shove Win10 down my throat, at which point I switch to Ubuntu and say screw video editing). View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Couple of thoughts. I'm neutral in the AMD vs Intel fight - both have their pro's and con's. That said, I wouldn't touch any of AMD's stuff prior to the new Ryzen's. For a budget box that's not going to game, IPC will be a LOT more important, and an I3-7100 at $119 will eat alive the low end AMD's at IPC. Assuming you follow my advice, you won't need a separate GPU (like your old 780gtx), which will save you money in power consumption, and save you money by.... Your chosen power supply is MASSIVE over kill for a non gaming box. I'd step down to something like this. https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?item=N82E16817151074 ETA: almost forgot to make a motherboard suggestion if you go Intel. A lot of the motherboards are using "fake" bullshit USB 3.1 (it's really usb 3.0 with a new marketing term - usb 3.1 gen 1). You want usb 3.1 gen 2, which is rated at 10gbps. I recommend the following. https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157738 The info for the ASUS motherboard shows the specs at 10GB/S on the USB, which is faster than the 5GB/s of another ASUS board that is twice as much, and doesn't have enough PCIe slots. The problem with switching to Intel is also I'd have to buy new RAM, pushing me far over the $700 budget unless I went with only 8GB and an i3. Main uses of PC: Compiling Code, Routing FPGA/nets, circuit board design, pspice circuit simulation, photoshop/gimp, Sony Vegas Video editing, lots of surfing and a bit of watching pr0n on dual displays. Still a lot of 32 bit code as Xilinx design studio and MPLAB X are still 32 bit, while photoshop/gimp and movie editing are 64 bit. The AMD x4 Phenom II was just below adequate with the video card, so the one a generation newer should be OK, especially with SSD, won't it? Openoffice is the office software, Windows 7 is the OS, if I can get it activated on the New Motherboard (my biggest fear is they'll shove Win10 down my throat, at which point I switch to Ubuntu and say screw video editing). Check out a youtube channel called explaining computers. He shows how to install it and gives a tutorial. |
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Thanks! The info for the ASUS motherboard shows the specs at 10GB/S on the USB, which is faster than the 5GB/s of another ASUS board that is twice as much, and doesn't have enough PCIe slots. The problem with switching to Intel is also I'd have to buy new RAM, pushing me far over the $700 budget unless I went with only 8GB and an i3. Main uses of PC: Compiling Code, Routing FPGA/nets, circuit board design, pspice circuit simulation, photoshop/gimp, Sony Vegas Video editing, lots of surfing and a bit of watching pr0n on dual displays. Still a lot of 32 bit code as Xilinx design studio and MPLAB X are still 32 bit, while photoshop/gimp and movie editing are 64 bit. The AMD x4 Phenom II was just below adequate with the video card, so the one a generation newer should be OK, especially with SSD, won't it? Openoffice is the office software, Windows 7 is the OS, if I can get it activated on the New Motherboard (my biggest fear is they'll shove Win10 down my throat, at which point I switch to Ubuntu and say screw video editing). View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Couple of thoughts. I'm neutral in the AMD vs Intel fight - both have their pro's and con's. That said, I wouldn't touch any of AMD's stuff prior to the new Ryzen's. For a budget box that's not going to game, IPC will be a LOT more important, and an I3-7100 at $119 will eat alive the low end AMD's at IPC. Assuming you follow my advice, you won't need a separate GPU (like your old 780gtx), which will save you money in power consumption, and save you money by.... Your chosen power supply is MASSIVE over kill for a non gaming box. I'd step down to something like this. https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?item=N82E16817151074 ETA: almost forgot to make a motherboard suggestion if you go Intel. A lot of the motherboards are using "fake" bullshit USB 3.1 (it's really usb 3.0 with a new marketing term - usb 3.1 gen 1). You want usb 3.1 gen 2, which is rated at 10gbps. I recommend the following. https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157738 The info for the ASUS motherboard shows the specs at 10GB/S on the USB, which is faster than the 5GB/s of another ASUS board that is twice as much, and doesn't have enough PCIe slots. The problem with switching to Intel is also I'd have to buy new RAM, pushing me far over the $700 budget unless I went with only 8GB and an i3. Main uses of PC: Compiling Code, Routing FPGA/nets, circuit board design, pspice circuit simulation, photoshop/gimp, Sony Vegas Video editing, lots of surfing and a bit of watching pr0n on dual displays. Still a lot of 32 bit code as Xilinx design studio and MPLAB X are still 32 bit, while photoshop/gimp and movie editing are 64 bit. The AMD x4 Phenom II was just below adequate with the video card, so the one a generation newer should be OK, especially with SSD, won't it? Openoffice is the office software, Windows 7 is the OS, if I can get it activated on the New Motherboard (my biggest fear is they'll shove Win10 down my throat, at which point I switch to Ubuntu and say screw video editing). Check out a youtube channel called explaining computers. He shows how to install it and gives a tutorial. |
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There is no need to spend $50 on that CPU cooler. Get an Intel retail box CPU and the HSF is fine for your needs. Seriously.
If you aren't overclocking skip the Arctic Silver. No need. Intel i3-7100 is the CPU you seek, performance at a great value. If you have enough in the budget you can spring for a low-end i5... if you want a true quad core. It won't be much faster in most scenarios. Unfortunately you'll need new RAM, as the new stuff uses DDR4. But you should be able to sell your old DDR3 for a decent price. Try finding a motherboard that supports the new CPUs, DDR3, and USB 3.1 v2 (you can't- is my point) |
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I can understand wanting to reuse the ram, but you're gonna have to make a hard choice.
1. Get an older style system that still uses DDR3 (I'd recommend a 4th gen Haswell series in this case), but you'll be getting a tad slower box for the money, and if you still want USB 3.1, you'll need to buy an add-on card. OR 2. Eat the cost of having to buy DDR4, but you can now get into a 7th gen Kaby Lake or AMD Ryzen. This will cost a bit more, but its going to be more power efficient and faster to boot. Based on your last post, I'd try to stretch your budget, and get either an I5 / I7, or one of the new AMD Ryzen. The stuff you're doing is fairly power user level stuff. |
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There a plenty of Haswell mobos and cpus out there. You would lose USB 3.1 support but you could re-use your old ram and probably pick up a used i7 which will smoke the build in your OP for things like video editing.
I recently faced the same dilema and went Skylake/DDR4. Sold my old stuff on ebay for the price of my new ram. |
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I can understand wanting to reuse the ram, but you're gonna have to make a hard choice. 1. Get an older style system that still uses DDR3 (I'd recommend a 4th gen Haswell series in this case), but you'll be getting a tad slower box for the money, and if you still want USB 3.1, you'll need to buy an add-on card. OR 2. Eat the cost of having to buy DDR4, but you can now get into a 7th gen Kaby Lake or AMD Ryzen. This will cost a bit more, but its going to be more power efficient and faster to boot. Based on your last post, I'd try to stretch your budget, and get either an I5 / I7, or one of the new AMD Ryzen. The stuff you're doing is fairly power user level stuff. View Quote I have no solid clue on how to pick which Intel processor is new midrange. The whole i3/i5/i7 fell apart since the latest i3 is faster than the first i7. They gotta use regular numbers, so I just picked a suggested i5. Puts me at $1k, $850 without the video card which I tacked on just for completeness (though there isn't a case) https://pcpartpicker.com/list/F7xhxY Going with the Ryzen would be even more expensive, I'm not sure of the performance differences, but since inception, AMD has been much better than Intel for performance per dollar, but sucky at heat management. |
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https://pcpartpicker.com/list/F7xhxY - The AMD Ryzen option $1200 ($150 more than intel)
What sort of performance difference is there between the Ryzen and the Haby Lake i5 ? I'll drop to 16GB RAM and re use my (hopefully working) video card and could get the intel within budget I'm thinking, now that I see the speeds of DDR4 RAM.... I had a blue screen Tuesday and an unplanned reboot. On Wednesday, I got a message in the middle of my display saying "Power down and connect PCIe power to video card", The 6 pin one had gotten knocked loose, but the 8 pin power was still plugged into the video card. I plugged in the one that got knocked loose, and it hasn't booted since. Tried a different video card and same results. Power supply shows OK on my Power Supply tester, but I can't be sure. I'm thinking I horked the motherboard or Power supply, and by that point, I'll be reloading windows, so I may as well upgrade a bit. |
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That bumps it quite a bit. I have no solid clue on how to pick which Intel processor is new midrange. The whole i3/i5/i7 fell apart since the latest i3 is faster than the first i7. They gotta use regular numbers, so I just picked a suggested i5. Puts me at $1k, $850 without the video card which I tacked on just for completeness (though there isn't a case) https://pcpartpicker.com/list/F7xhxY Going with the Ryzen would be even more expensive, I'm not sure of the performance differences, but since inception, AMD has been much better than Intel for performance per dollar, but sucky at heat management. View Quote Intel's desktop cpu's come in 3 basic flavors. The basic tech is the same for each flavor, the difference is clock rate, # of cores, turbo boost (or lack of), and hyper threading (or lack of). The I3 is a dual core, hyper threaded cpu. They do not have turbo boost, but since Intel tends to clock these at pretty high speed, thats not much of a loss. For applications that don't use a lot of cores, these are some of the best cpu's on the market. The I5 is a quad core, NON hyper threaded cpu. They do have turbo boost. For applications that will honestly use 4 cores, they can be a fair amount faster then the I3. The I7 is the same as the I5, except you get hyper threading back, and Intel bumps the clock rate up a bit. For shit like web surfing, M$ Office, etc.. the I3 is the best bang for the buck by far, since these class of programs never use more then 1 or 2 cores. However stuff like video rendering, compiling code, and SOME cad programs will use the extra cores if you have them. Regarding Intel's generational difference....We'll start with Intel's 4th generation of I series, aka the Haswell's. The 4th gen's are the last to use DDR3. If you're trying to go as cheap as possible, this is the route I'd go. An I3-4170 will run you $125 and includes a heatsink. If you want to go to an I5, the I5-4460 is about $215. Most of the motherboards for the 4th gen's don't come with USB 3.1 natively, but I did find one that did. https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813132512 If you decided to go newer.....The 7th gen Intel's are about 10-15% faster at the same clock rate compared to the 4th gen's, and they're usually clocked a bit faster too. They'll also require DDR4. An I3-7100 will run you $120 for a 3.9ghz dual core. Stepping up to an I5 will get you a I5-7600K at $240. This is a quad core at 3.8ghz. While probably out of your price range, the new AMD cpu's are a big deal because they give you a shitload of cores that perform comparable to a 4th gen Intel core. The 1700X has 8 cores at 3.4ghz. Of course it does cost $400, but thats a shitload of power for the price. Hope this helps. |
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@brass I have a power supply layong around here somewhere i think its 500w. You can have it if you want it. Just IM me.
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for me i would not touch any amd other then the new ryzen stuff, but for me to recommend some one not really into computers to get it with the couple of issue i don't want them to go threw the hassle and loops that they have atm with needing bios support and stuff. i would go with the intel partpicker you chose but tweak it a little.
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/kr2qXH PCPartPicker part list: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/kr2qXH Price breakdown by merchant: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/kr2qXH/by_merchant/ CPU: Intel Core i5-7600 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($209.99 @ SuperBiiz) Motherboard: Asus STRIX H270F GAMING ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($139.00 @ Amazon) Memory: G.Skill TridentZ Series 32GB (2 x 16GB) DDR4-3000 Memory ($219.97 @ Jet) Storage: Crucial MX300 525GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($145.49 @ OutletPC) Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 1050 Ti 4GB ACX 2.0 Video Card ($131.99 @ SuperBiiz) Power Supply: SeaSonic G 550W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($69.49 @ SuperBiiz) Total: $915.93 Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-04-06 20:33 EDT-0400 |
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Maybe this will help clear it up for you. Intel's desktop cpu's come in 3 basic flavors. The basic tech is the same for each flavor, the difference is clock rate, # of cores, turbo boost (or lack of), and hyper threading (or lack of). The I3 is a dual core, hyper threaded cpu. They do not have turbo boost, but since Intel tends to clock these at pretty high speed, thats not much of a loss. For applications that don't use a lot of cores, these are some of the best cpu's on the market. The I5 is a quad core, NON hyper threaded cpu. They do have turbo boost. For applications that will honestly use 4 cores, they can be a fair amount faster then the I3. The I7 is the same as the I5, except you get hyper threading back, and Intel bumps the clock rate up a bit. For shit like web surfing, M$ Office, etc.. the I3 is the best bang for the buck by far, since these class of programs never use more then 1 or 2 cores. However stuff like video rendering, compiling code, and SOME cad programs will use the extra cores if you have them. Regarding Intel's generational difference....We'll start with Intel's 4th generation of I series, aka the Haswell's. The 4th gen's are the last to use DDR3. If you're trying to go as cheap as possible, this is the route I'd go. An I3-4170 will run you $125 and includes a heatsink. If you want to go to an I5, the I5-4460 is about $215. Most of the motherboards for the 4th gen's don't come with USB 3.1 natively, but I did find one that did. https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813132512 If you decided to go newer.....The 7th gen Intel's are about 10-15% faster at the same clock rate compared to the 4th gen's, and they're usually clocked a bit faster too. They'll also require DDR4. An I3-7100 will run you $120 for a 3.9ghz dual core. Stepping up to an I5 will get you a I5-7600K at $240. This is a quad core at 3.8ghz. While probably out of your price range, the new AMD cpu's are a big deal because they give you a shitload of cores that perform comparable to a 4th gen Intel core. The 1700X has 8 cores at 3.4ghz. Of course it does cost $400, but thats a shitload of power for the price. Hope this helps. View Quote I guess what I'm looking for is decent, but not overkill/unbalanced. Does the speed of the memory match the CPU or can I get slower RAM for the CPU/mohterboard, for example? The processor is reasonable, but is there an i5 that performs nearly the same for less? System also boots to ubuntu a lot, and I swap out FPGA prototype PCIe cards for testing bandwidth (not as a peripheral other than a fast monitoring interface), hence the need for the extra slots. The ubuntu side doesn't use HyperThreading much at all and prefers a real core to a virtual one. So with that extra information, I put a link in the two posts of mine above this one, one with the Ryzen and one with the Intel, let me know if I should have chosen differently for any parts, like I said, I haven't even looked at this stuff in half a decade, last time I just got a combo MB/RAM/CPU from someplace. --ETA: How do you konw what generation an Intel processor is? I'm guessing it's the numbers and the letter after the i3/5/7? I'm guessing a bigger number is newer, but it doesn't give me any more information than that. |
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Is what I put together in my "Intel Solution" OK? After reviewing the speeds, seems DDR4 is what I'm looking for to get the speed in FPGA net layout (takes hours even on a fast system). The apps do use multiple cores, or sometimes, all of one core so the other cores can do important stuff, like porn. I guess what I'm looking for is decent, but not overkill/unbalanced. Does the speed of the memory match the CPU or can I get slower RAM for the CPU/mohterboard, for example? The processor is reasonable, but is there an i5 that performs nearly the same for less? System also boots to ubuntu a lot, and I swap out FPGA prototype PCIe cards for testing bandwidth (not as a peripheral other than a fast monitoring interface), hence the need for the extra slots. The ubuntu side doesn't use HyperThreading much at all and prefers a real core to a virtual one. So with that extra information, I put a link in the two posts of mine above this one, one with the Ryzen and one with the Intel, let me know if I should have chosen differently for any parts, like I said, I haven't even looked at this stuff in half a decade, last time I just got a combo MB/RAM/CPU from someplace. --ETA: How do you konw what generation an Intel processor is? I'm guessing it's the numbers and the letter after the i3/5/7? I'm guessing a bigger number is newer, but it doesn't give me any more information than that. View Quote if you are going to go ryzen wait for the r5 series for the cheaper price and get the 1500x which is the 6core 12 thread. its not released and there isnt any benchmarks posed yet i think because of the NDA's so we have to wait a few weeks to find out. with ryzen there are/was a memory speed issue mainly because the MB manufactures had little time to get that stuf sorted out and some other little things. |
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Ok, here's the latest, went down to 16GB of slower RAM and all well reviewed stuff that I haven't heard of.
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I may well be missing something, but could you save ~$30 on the SSD here?
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I may well be missing something, but could you save ~$30 on the SSD here? View Quote Also, do Intel CPUs come with a heatsink in the box, or is that a separate item? I'm back down to a more comfortable 3 digits with what I need, I can always add more RAM. https://pcpartpicker.com/list/kYcZPs Though I've never heard of "Team Dark" RAM, thought Corsair was what to get, but I'm not an overclocker anymore so maybe it's not relevant. Lastly, what's the "K" behind some of the Intel part numbers? I figured out that the first digit is generation, don't know what the next 3 are, or what the K means. |
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Ok, here's the latest, went down to 16GB of slower RAM and all well reviewed stuff that I haven't heard of. https://pcpartpicker.com/list/kYcZPs View Quote team memory is ok just not widely known. get the crucial mx300 525gb ssd. i been running it my self for over 6 months just fine. not to mention i just bought a 2nd one. crucial ssd's are good to go and are more for the budget orientated where as samsung are really good for speed (wont notice much) and want a premium for it. intel provides heatsink for non - k cpus like the i5 7500/7600 but the i5 7600k won't have a heatsink. the "K" behind the part number mean it is an unlocked cpu so that it works better for overclocking. if not overclocking then save your money and not get one. just get the seasonic g 550 psu. may not be fully modeler but a really good for the price. |
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for that few things just get a 1050 ti for a few buck cheaper and a whole hell of a lot faster. team memory is ok just not widely known. get the crucial mx300 525gb ssd. i been running it my self for over 6 months just fine. not to mention i just bought a 2nd one. crucial ssd's are good to go and are more for the budget orientated where as samsung are really good for speed (wont notice much) and want a premium for it. intel provides heatsink for non - k cpus like the i5 7500/7600 but the i5 7600k won't have a heatsink. the "K" behind the part number mean it is an unlocked cpu so that it works better for overclocking. if not overclocking then save your money and not get one. just get the seasonic g 550 psu. may not be fully modeler but a really good for the price. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Ok, here's the latest, went down to 16GB of slower RAM and all well reviewed stuff that I haven't heard of. https://pcpartpicker.com/list/kYcZPs team memory is ok just not widely known. get the crucial mx300 525gb ssd. i been running it my self for over 6 months just fine. not to mention i just bought a 2nd one. crucial ssd's are good to go and are more for the budget orientated where as samsung are really good for speed (wont notice much) and want a premium for it. intel provides heatsink for non - k cpus like the i5 7500/7600 but the i5 7600k won't have a heatsink. the "K" behind the part number mean it is an unlocked cpu so that it works better for overclocking. if not overclocking then save your money and not get one. just get the seasonic g 550 psu. may not be fully modeler but a really good for the price. |
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Problem with the 1050Ti is only one display output. I need 2 DVI (2x27"), and would like to stay mid range nVidia Thanks for the info! that saves $40 for heatsink. View Quote that aint going to happen when going with a gen old and low end gpu. nvidia mid range is like the gtx 1070 right now. |
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Is what I put together in my "Intel Solution" OK? After reviewing the speeds, seems DDR4 is what I'm looking for to get the speed in FPGA net layout (takes hours even on a fast system). The apps do use multiple cores, or sometimes, all of one core so the other cores can do important stuff, like porn. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
Is what I put together in my "Intel Solution" OK? After reviewing the speeds, seems DDR4 is what I'm looking for to get the speed in FPGA net layout (takes hours even on a fast system). The apps do use multiple cores, or sometimes, all of one core so the other cores can do important stuff, like porn. I guess what I'm looking for is decent, but not overkill/unbalanced. Does the speed of the memory match the CPU or can I get slower RAM for the CPU/mohterboard, for example? The processor is reasonable, but is there an i5 that performs nearly the same for less? System also boots to ubuntu a lot, and I swap out FPGA prototype PCIe cards for testing bandwidth (not as a peripheral other than a fast monitoring interface), hence the need for the extra slots. The ubuntu side doesn't use HyperThreading much at all and prefers a real core to a virtual one. So with that extra information, I put a link in the two posts of mine above this one, one with the Ryzen and one with the Intel, let me know if I should have chosen differently for any parts, like I said, I haven't even looked at this stuff in half a decade, last time I just got a combo MB/RAM/CPU from someplace. --ETA: How do you konw what generation an Intel processor is? I'm guessing it's the numbers and the letter after the i3/5/7? I'm guessing a bigger number is newer, but it doesn't give me any more information than that. Other thoughts, that video card is pricey if your not gaming on the box. If you need 2 DVI outputs, thats easy to do. Get a cheat fanless nvidia card, and run one monitor off the Nvidia, and one monitor off the built in video. Also, cheap video cards that have a DVI and a HDMI output will work fine too. You can get a cheap HDMI to DVI cable, we do it all the time at work. |
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Everybody I've heard from said only bother with Samsung for an SSD for reliable, but if that has changed, I'm open to saving $30. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
Everybody I've heard from said only bother with Samsung for an SSD for reliable, but if that has changed, I'm open to saving $30. Also, do Intel CPUs come with a heatsink in the box, or is that a separate item? I'm back down to a more comfortable 3 digits with what I need, I can always add more RAM. https://pcpartpicker.com/list/kYcZPs Though I've never heard of "Team Dark" RAM, thought Corsair was what to get, but I'm not an overclocker anymore so maybe it's not relevant. Lastly, what's the "K" behind some of the Intel part numbers? I figured out that the first digit is generation, don't know what the next 3 are, or what the K means. |
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my 2 cents on SSD's. I recommend Intel, Samsung, or Micron. Samsung is a tad spendy compared to Micron, BUT its an excellent drive. The NON K models include a fan and heatsink. While the Team Dark ram would probably work ok, I tend be conservative on ram and stick with Micron/crucial, Corsair, Kingston, or other major brands. The K's are unlocked (if you want to overclock) and are usually clocked 10-20% higher then a NON K model. They don't come with a heatsink (the logic being that overclockers will want an aftermarket heatsink). View Quote Is there a significant difference between the i5-7500 and the i5-7600? The latter is 30W more, but not much more in price, relatively. Or is that the "K" model? I guess my question is does the 7600 have more 'features' like a larger cache? I know I could look up the numbers, but I'm looking for people who have used them. Since you guys have managed to sell me on Intel for the first time since 1997 (Cyrix was big back then), I may as well learn about them. |
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Ok, will switch RAM to one of the ones I'm familiar with. Is there a significant difference between the i5-7500 and the i5-7600? The latter is 30W more, but not much more in price, relatively. Or is that the "K" model? I guess my question is does the 7600 have more 'features' like a larger cache? I know I could look up the numbers, but I'm looking for people who have used them. Since you guys have managed to sell me on Intel for the first time since 1997 (Cyrix was big back then), I may as well learn about them. View Quote |
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Ok, will switch RAM to one of the ones I'm familiar with. Is there a significant difference between the i5-7500 and the i5-7600? The latter is 30W more, but not much more in price, relatively. Or is that the "K" model? I guess my question is does the 7600 have more 'features' like a larger cache? I know I could look up the numbers, but I'm looking for people who have used them. Since you guys have managed to sell me on Intel for the first time since 1997 (Cyrix was big back then), I may as well learn about them. View Quote 7500 is a 3.4ghz model. 7600 is a 3.5ghz model. 7600K is a 3.8ghz model thats also unlocked. Other then that, these are all identical. |
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seriously look into a intel NUC. i7 version due out in a month will drive 3 monitors http://www.intel.com/content/dam/www/public/us/en/images/product/16x9/intel-nuc-features-4configure-16x9.png.rendition.intel.web.1072.603.png View Quote Either the Intel Nuc or one of the copies e.g. the Brix. Why do you need an external GPU? Do you plan on gaming at all? If yes then I suppose have at it. If no, then there is no need for it just use onboard graphics. You don't even need an i7, an i5 would be fine. |
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Are you actually going to OC the CPU? The 7600 vs 7600k is only a very small step up in speed out of the box and if you're not going to OC it then there's no reason to spend more to get the K and the Z270 chipset and the aftermarket cooler. My wife's gaming PC is running an i5-7600k OC'd mildly to 4.6GHz and I'm really happy with it. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Ok, will switch RAM to one of the ones I'm familiar with. Is there a significant difference between the i5-7500 and the i5-7600? The latter is 30W more, but not much more in price, relatively. Or is that the "K" model? I guess my question is does the 7600 have more 'features' like a larger cache? I know I could look up the numbers, but I'm looking for people who have used them. Since you guys have managed to sell me on Intel for the first time since 1997 (Cyrix was big back then), I may as well learn about them. I'd like to be able to route and 'compile' the cells/net of an FPGA in an hour instead of 4 hours, but that means overclocking the latest i7, lots and lots of RAM and a couple SSDs, I'll settle for waiting for 2 hours instead of 4 hours. Why don't they make that one of their benchmarks? All I can find is gaming frames per second and encryption, though layout/routing is sort of like encryption, it's a brute force "knapsack problem" / NP-Hard that simply takes a lot of computing. As for the video card when I don't game.... I like the extra features on the nVidia, like very good resolution upscaling for video, making video editing go way faster since Vegas uses GPU cores for rendering, and if everybody here is talking about an awesome game we have to check out, I want to be able to do that, maybe not excel at it, but at least see the pretty colors. |
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is the routing for work related stuff? could you get them to spring for it?
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No overclocking. Looking for decent performance (non-gaming, actual computing performance) and stability leaving room to upgrade later. The last part is hard since Intel wants a new motherboard for every processor, but that doesn't really matter, since my last 3 systems have had the motherboard fail (No longer buying Gigabyte), though one of those was from a power supply failing I think. I'd like to be able to route and 'compile' the cells/net of an FPGA in an hour instead of 4 hours, but that means overclocking the latest i7, lots and lots of RAM and a couple SSDs, I'll settle for waiting for 2 hours instead of 4 hours. Why don't they make that one of their benchmarks? All I can find is gaming frames per second and encryption, though layout/routing is sort of like encryption, it's a brute force "knapsack problem" / NP-Hard that simply takes a lot of computing. As for the video card when I don't game.... I like the extra features on the nVidia, like very good resolution upscaling for video, making video editing go way faster since Vegas uses GPU cores for rendering, and if everybody here is talking about an awesome game we have to check out, I want to be able to do that, maybe not excel at it, but at least see the pretty colors. View Quote |
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After some comparisons, I switched to the i5-7600 instead of the 7500, a $25 difference, the 7700 and i7s are over $100 more than that, so I'll stop looking at CPU there.
I think that's the system then, with Corsair RAM and power supply, Asus 270 Prime motherboard, Asus 1050 video, and the Samsung 500GB SSD. Unless somebody has better suggestions while staying in the 3 digit (barely right now) range. |
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After finding some discount codes, I ended up with a "Decent" setup for slightly more than I originally intended to spend.
i7-7700 Kaby Lake (Figured HypterThreading might boost Windows base performance) 16GB Corsair DDR4-3000 Asus/nVidia 1050 GTX Asus Z270 Prime Motherboard (has 3.1 and 3.0 USB ports) 3 TB Seagate IronWolf HDD 500GB Samsung EVO SSD Corsair 650W Power Supply Total with shipping was about $1100, got the i7 for $20 more than the i5 with the discount code, and a 15% discount on most of the rest. Hope I did good, it should be a decent machine I am REALLY hoping will last for another 4 years or so, I guess we'll see. Power consumption will go down, which is sort of imporant when I'm just surfing, but I'll miss having an AMD space heater that doubles as a computer in the wintertime. |
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Ok, got all the pieces in, i7-7700, Asus Prime Z270 motherboard, Corsair DDR-4000 RAM, SSD, spare 3TB Seagate IronWolf drive, nVidia 1050, 650 W Corsair Power Supply.
First thing was I grabbed the book out of the Motherboard box and saw: Supports Windows 7* (32/64bit*), Windows 8.1*, and Windows 10. So I go looking for why, and did not like the answer: If you intend to use Windows 7 or Windows 8.1 in the foreseeable future, you should know that Microsoft plans to make it harder for you. If you’ve got a current generation Intel Skylake processor, they’re going to stop issuing security updates for these older supported versions of Windows in about eighteen months. Furthermore, Microsoft is refusing to support anything less than Windows 10 on Intel’s upcoming Kaby Lake processors, period. View Quote I've heard all sorts of horror stories on Windows 10 updates and how it sends your list of files to Microsoft "For Quality Improvement" BS. Is there software out there that sees as Win10 spyware and disables the appropriate parts? What is your input? |
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Ok, got all the pieces in, i7-7700, Asus Prime Z270 motherboard, Corsair DDR-4000 RAM, SSD, spare 3TB Seagate IronWolf drive, nVidia 1050, 650 W Corsair Power Supply. First thing was I grabbed the book out of the Motherboard box and saw: Supports Windows 7* (32/64bit*), Windows 8.1*, and Windows 10. So I go looking for why, and did not like the answer: No security updates, no updates at all with a Kaby Lake CPU on Windows 10, I'd have to go to a I7-5xxx to load a fresh copy of Windows 7. I'd also lose USB 3.1 Support by doing so. I've heard all sorts of horror stories on Windows 10 updates and how it sends your list of files to Microsoft "For Quality Improvement" BS. Is there software out there that sees as Win10 spyware and disables the appropriate parts? What is your input? View Quote What happens when you install Windows 8 on a Kaby Lake system?? Microsoft Drops Windows 7/8.1 Support for AMD Ryzen & Intel Kaby Lake CPU & Lies About It - BUSTED! |
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Lets be real, you don't have a choice. You're going to go with 10. MS has no competition other than past versions of its own OS, and they are figuring out how to beat those.
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Lets be real, you don't have a choice. You're going to go with 10. MS has no competition other than past versions of its own OS, and they are figuring out how to beat those. View Quote The license for a 10 can be had for cheap legitimately (Global version) you just have to make your own bootable USB key/CD. http://www.play-asia.com/microsoft-windows-10-pro-3264-bit-oem/13/709747 This is a quick spec out for a Ryzen build. It will knock any Intel offering's dick in the dirt real quick in this price bracket for a non overclocker. Notice the GTX 1060 6GB PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 1600 3.2GHz 6-Core Processor ($218.44 @ OutletPC) Memory: Crucial Ballistix Sport LT 32GB (2 x 16GB) DDR4-2400 Memory ($234.99 @ Amazon) Storage: Crucial MX300 525GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive ($149.89 @ OutletPC) Video Card: MSI GeForce GTX 1060 6GB 6GB GT OCV1 Video Card ($239.99 @ Amazon) Power Supply: SeaSonic G 550W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($69.39 @ SuperBiiz) Other: MSI B350 Gaming Pro Carbon ($134.99) Total: $1047.69 Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-04-14 19:53 EDT-0400 |
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id be willing to sell you my card in a month or so but i doubt you would be able to use it as you need a custom water loop for it
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