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Posted: 3/14/2011 6:15:58 PM EDT
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The moral of the story is, if folks like this can overcome the shit that Japan put us through in WWII, then surely the General Discussion couch-commando's in mom's basement can get over it and stop making fun of this disaster. That will happen right after people stop believing and posting that bogus "fallout" map. (never) |
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Posted: 3/14/2011 6:18:26 PM EDT
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My dad saw an old friend arrive at work today. This fine gentleman lied to the recruiters and joined the Marine Corps at the age of 14. He fought in Okinawa and Iwo Jima. In one of those battles, he was wounded by a Grenade that killed all of his buddies and was sent home. For the last 30 years he's worked at the county court house. I believe he's a security guard. A typical bad ass of the greatest generation. Today, he drove to work in a brand new Japanese sedan. My dad commented on this, asking him why he bought a Japanese car. He shrugged and said, "It's a great car." He also admitted that if someone told him in 1945 that he'd buy a Japanese car one day, he would have told them they were fucking crazy. The moral of the story is, if folks like this can overcome the shit that Japan put us through in WWII, then surely the General Discussion couch-commando's in mom's basement can get over it and stop making fun of this disaster. I guess time heals. My Grandpa fought the Germans all through Europe, was wounded and killed a few himself, and till the day he died he loved the German people, even told us he'd like to talk to some of the fellas he fought against. I understand the Germans may have not have put him though what those men in the Pacific went through, but I guess when the fighting is all said and done, you can only stay pissed so long, and then you'll start to heal. Flame me all you want, but in the end, being pissed your whole life will just make you miserable. |
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Posted: 3/14/2011 6:23:46 PM EDT
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I don't think today's soldiers will ever think anything good about the folks we are fighting in the ME.
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Posted: 3/14/2011 6:31:49 PM EDT
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I don't drive German or Japanese cars.
I don't have anything against the German or Japanese people of 2011, or even WW2 German veterans as long as they weren't SS or camp guards. I wouldn't even think of making light of the disaster in Japan, there is no humor in it. But I want to remember what those nations did to the world between 1939 - 1945, especially my ancestors. So, I don't drive German or Japanese cars. 
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Posted: 3/14/2011 6:33:12 PM EDT
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Quoted: Well, my ancestors enslaved black people. As I say, "They fought for the US, before they fought against it." Should I also be economically punished for the actions of my ancestors? I don't drive German or Japanese cars. I don't have anything against the German or Japanese people of 2011, or even WW2 German veterans as long as they weren't SS or camp guards. I wouldn't even think of making light of the disaster in Japan, there is no humor in it. But I want to remember what those nations did to the world between 1939 - 1945, especially my ancestors. So, I don't drive German or Japanese cars. |
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Posted: 3/14/2011 6:41:13 PM EDT
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People like him are a national treasure. Appreciate the WW2 vets while they're still with us. Consider this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_surviving_veterans_of_World_War_I
My dad saw an old friend arrive at work today. This fine gentleman lied to the recruiters and joined the Marine Corps at the age of 14. He fought in Okinawa and Iwo Jima. In one of those battles, he was wounded by a Grenade that killed all of his buddies and was sent home. For the last 30 years he's worked at the county court house. I believe he's a security guard. A typical bad ass of the greatest generation. |
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Posted: 3/14/2011 6:44:01 PM EDT
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Well, my ancestors enslaved black people. As I say, "They fought for the US, before they fought against it." Should I also be economically punished for the actions of my ancestors?
I don't drive German or Japanese cars. I don't have anything against the German or Japanese people of 2011, or even WW2 German veterans as long as they weren't SS or camp guards. I wouldn't even think of making light of the disaster in Japan, there is no humor in it. But I want to remember what those nations did to the world between 1939 - 1945, especially my ancestors. So, I don't drive German or Japanese cars. That's the decision for the individual. You shouldn't be beaten, killed or otherwise harmed. There wouldn't be any point in the descendants of slaves to be hostile to you personally. You are all Americans, I suppose the "reparations" issue would be a method of economically punishing white America collectively, but I doubt its going anywhere. 
I doubt my not buying German or Japanese cars is hurting the economies of those nations too much, but I'm just not interested in patronizing some of the major elements of their WW2 economies in 2011, even though we won the war and those nations have been rehabilitated. |
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Posted: 3/14/2011 6:49:59 PM EDT
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Those pics I've seen of the Japs holding up a newborn baby skewered by their bayonet really burned an image in my head.
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Posted: 3/14/2011 6:59:48 PM EDT
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I won't buy anything BUT a Toyota. US cars suck!
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Posted: 3/14/2011 7:12:46 PM EDT
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Those pics I've seen of the Japs holding up a newborn baby skewered by their bayonet really burned an image in my head. For me, the smile of the Jap soldier as he did haunts me. |
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Posted: 3/14/2011 7:13:39 PM EDT
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Well, my ancestors enslaved black people. As I say, "They fought for the US, before they fought against it." Should I also be economically punished for the actions of my ancestors?
I don't drive German or Japanese cars. I don't have anything against the German or Japanese people of 2011, or even WW2 German veterans as long as they weren't SS or camp guards. I wouldn't even think of making light of the disaster in Japan, there is no humor in it. But I want to remember what those nations did to the world between 1939 - 1945, especially my ancestors. So, I don't drive German or Japanese cars. You already are. |
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Posted: 3/14/2011 7:16:03 PM EDT
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Grandpa told me that sometimes the deepest bond between men happens when they spend a lot of time trying to kill each other.
The rest of the time, one of them wins. |
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Posted: 3/14/2011 7:16:24 PM EDT
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I don't drive German or Japanese cars. I don't have anything against the German or Japanese people of 2011, or even WW2 German veterans as long as they weren't SS or camp guards. I wouldn't even think of making light of the disaster in Japan, there is no humor in it. But I want to remember what those nations did to the world between 1939 - 1945, especially my ancestors. So, I don't drive German or Japanese cars. Not everyone in the SS was a Nazi. A lot of them were just kids who wanted to be in the best trained unit. Most of them were just kids doing what they had to do, like our boys.
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Posted: 3/14/2011 7:17:00 PM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Well, my ancestors enslaved black people. As I say, "They fought for the US, before they fought against it." Should I also be economically punished for the actions of my ancestors? I don't drive German or Japanese cars. I don't have anything against the German or Japanese people of 2011, or even WW2 German veterans as long as they weren't SS or camp guards. I wouldn't even think of making light of the disaster in Japan, there is no humor in it. But I want to remember what those nations did to the world between 1939 - 1945, especially my ancestors. So, I don't drive German or Japanese cars. That's the decision for the individual. You shouldn't be beaten, killed or otherwise harmed. There wouldn't be any point in the descendants of slaves to be hostile to you personally. You are all Americans, I suppose the "reparations" issue would be a method of economically punishing white America collectively, but I doubt its going anywhere. I doubt my not buying German or Japanese cars is hurting the economies of those nations too much, but I'm just not interested in patronizing some of the major elements of their WW2 economies in 2011, even though we won the war and those nations have been rehabilitated. If you take this idea to the logical extreme, you wouldn't ever buy ANYTHING since in a modern global economy, I guarantee you that 99% of things you could dream of buying are in some way traceable back to Japan, Germany, Italy, Russia, Vietnam, China etc. At the very least you wouldn't be using a computer... |
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Posted: 3/14/2011 7:20:29 PM EDT
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My grandfather was WIA twice on Okinawa, joked about Japs a lot, and bought a Honda after his Sanford & Son special F1 died.
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Posted: 3/14/2011 7:23:05 PM EDT
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Well, my ancestors enslaved black people. As I say, "They fought for the US, before they fought against it." Should I also be economically punished for the actions of my ancestors?
I don't drive German or Japanese cars. I don't have anything against the German or Japanese people of 2011, or even WW2 German veterans as long as they weren't SS or camp guards. I wouldn't even think of making light of the disaster in Japan, there is no humor in it. But I want to remember what those nations did to the world between 1939 - 1945, especially my ancestors. So, I don't drive German or Japanese cars. That's the decision for the individual. You shouldn't be beaten, killed or otherwise harmed. There wouldn't be any point in the descendants of slaves to be hostile to you personally. You are all Americans, I suppose the "reparations" issue would be a method of economically punishing white America collectively, but I doubt its going anywhere.
I doubt my not buying German or Japanese cars is hurting the economies of those nations too much, but I'm just not interested in patronizing some of the major elements of their WW2 economies in 2011, even though we won the war and those nations have been rehabilitated. If you take this idea to the logical extreme, you wouldn't ever buy ANYTHING since in a modern global economy, I guarantee you that 99% of things you could dream of buying are in some way traceable back to Japan, Germany, Italy, Russia, Vietnam, China etc. At the very least you wouldn't be using a computer... If I took it to an extreme, yes. And some of the manifestations of the "modern global economy" do trouble me. But this is my method of remembering that era, and I'm pretty comfortable with it. You do what you want. |
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Posted: 3/14/2011 7:24:56 PM EDT
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Many Family members on my mother's side where massacred by the Japs during their occupation of Singapore. My great uncle was buried alive In front of his family by Jap soldiers. To this day my mom's family hates the Japs, even the new generation, and rightly so.
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Posted: 3/14/2011 7:26:39 PM EDT
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I don't drive German or Japanese cars. I don't have anything against the German or Japanese people of 2011, or even WW2 German veterans as long as they weren't SS or camp guards. I wouldn't even think of making light of the disaster in Japan, there is no humor in it. But I want to remember what those nations did to the world between 1939 - 1945, especially my ancestors. So, I don't drive German or Japanese cars. Not everyone in the SS was a Nazi. A lot of them were just kids who wanted to be in the best trained unit. Most of them were just kids doing what they had to do, like our boys. Ummm..... thats several kinds of history fail. |
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Posted: 3/14/2011 7:32:19 PM EDT
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My Dad is a WW2 vet. To this day he hates the Japanese, and he will NEVER buy a Japanese anything. He has not quite forgiven me for buying a Toyota, and I have not asked him yet what he thinks about the disaster in Japan.
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Posted: 3/14/2011 7:34:24 PM EDT
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I don't drive German or Japanese cars. I don't have anything against the German or Japanese people of 2011, or even WW2 German veterans as long as they weren't SS or camp guards. I wouldn't even think of making light of the disaster in Japan, there is no humor in it. But I want to remember what those nations did to the world between 1939 - 1945, especially my ancestors. So, I don't drive German or Japanese cars. Not everyone in the SS was a Nazi. A lot of them were just kids who wanted to be in the best trained unit. Most of them were just kids doing what they had to do, like our boys. Ummm..... thats several kinds of history fail. Semi-true. Slightly revisionist, but not completely devoid of fact. The SS units ranged from "pure Aryan believers" to "pure volunteer manpower". Most people think of the Waffen SS or the Totenkopf death squad units when they hear "SS", but the organization was much larger than just those groups. |
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Posted: 3/14/2011 7:36:17 PM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Well, my ancestors enslaved black people. As I say, "They fought for the US, before they fought against it." Should I also be economically punished for the actions of my ancestors? I don't drive German or Japanese cars. I don't have anything against the German or Japanese people of 2011, or even WW2 German veterans as long as they weren't SS or camp guards. I wouldn't even think of making light of the disaster in Japan, there is no humor in it. But I want to remember what those nations did to the world between 1939 - 1945, especially my ancestors. So, I don't drive German or Japanese cars. That's the decision for the individual. You shouldn't be beaten, killed or otherwise harmed. There wouldn't be any point in the descendants of slaves to be hostile to you personally. You are all Americans, I suppose the "reparations" issue would be a method of economically punishing white America collectively, but I doubt its going anywhere. I doubt my not buying German or Japanese cars is hurting the economies of those nations too much, but I'm just not interested in patronizing some of the major elements of their WW2 economies in 2011, even though we won the war and those nations have been rehabilitated. If you take this idea to the logical extreme, you wouldn't ever buy ANYTHING since in a modern global economy, I guarantee you that 99% of things you could dream of buying are in some way traceable back to Japan, Germany, Italy, Russia, Vietnam, China etc. At the very least you wouldn't be using a computer... If I took it to an extreme, yes. And some of the manifestations of the "modern global economy" do trouble me. But this is my method of remembering that era, and I'm pretty comfortable with it. You do what you want. What I want is for people to stop having grudges against ghosts for the pettiest of reasons. |
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Posted: 3/14/2011 7:38:10 PM EDT
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I don't drive German or Japanese cars. I don't have anything against the German or Japanese people of 2011, or even WW2 German veterans as long as they weren't SS or camp guards. I wouldn't even think of making light of the disaster in Japan, there is no humor in it. But I want to remember what those nations did to the world between 1939 - 1945, especially my ancestors. So, I don't drive German or Japanese cars. Not everyone in the SS was a Nazi. A lot of them were just kids who wanted to be in the best trained unit. Most of them were just kids doing what they had to do, like our boys. Sure, And a lot of them were foreigners and draftees. But a lot of them bought the whole Nazi ideology and joined the SS, including the combat SS, because they believed in that ideology. The SS doesn't get a pass because some of the troops weren't full on Nazis, just like the Gestapo doesn't get a pass because some of them were just veteran cops doing their job to get a pension
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Posted: 3/14/2011 7:40:06 PM EDT
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Well, my ancestors enslaved black people. As I say, "They fought for the US, before they fought against it." Should I also be economically punished for the actions of my ancestors?
I don't drive German or Japanese cars. I don't have anything against the German or Japanese people of 2011, or even WW2 German veterans as long as they weren't SS or camp guards. I wouldn't even think of making light of the disaster in Japan, there is no humor in it. But I want to remember what those nations did to the world between 1939 - 1945, especially my ancestors. So, I don't drive German or Japanese cars. That's the decision for the individual. You shouldn't be beaten, killed or otherwise harmed. There wouldn't be any point in the descendants of slaves to be hostile to you personally. You are all Americans, I suppose the "reparations" issue would be a method of economically punishing white America collectively, but I doubt its going anywhere.
I doubt my not buying German or Japanese cars is hurting the economies of those nations too much, but I'm just not interested in patronizing some of the major elements of their WW2 economies in 2011, even though we won the war and those nations have been rehabilitated. If you take this idea to the logical extreme, you wouldn't ever buy ANYTHING since in a modern global economy, I guarantee you that 99% of things you could dream of buying are in some way traceable back to Japan, Germany, Italy, Russia, Vietnam, China etc. At the very least you wouldn't be using a computer... If I took it to an extreme, yes. And some of the manifestations of the "modern global economy" do trouble me. But this is my method of remembering that era, and I'm pretty comfortable with it. You do what you want. What I want is for people to stop having grudges against ghosts for the pettiest of reasons. Better to have grudges against ghosts than real live people in 2011.
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Posted: 3/14/2011 11:43:17 PM EDT
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I don't drive German or Japanese cars. I don't have anything against the German or Japanese people of 2011, or even WW2 German veterans as long as they weren't SS or camp guards. I wouldn't even think of making light of the disaster in Japan, there is no humor in it. But I want to remember what those nations did to the world between 1939 - 1945, especially my ancestors. So, I don't drive German or Japanese cars. Not everyone in the SS was a Nazi. A lot of them were just kids who wanted to be in the best trained unit. Most of them were just kids doing what they had to do, like our boys. Ummm..... thats several kinds of history fail. Semi-true. Slightly revisionist, but not completely devoid of fact. The SS units ranged from "pure Aryan believers" to "pure volunteer manpower". Most people think of the Waffen SS or the Totenkopf death squad units when they hear "SS", but the organization was much larger than just those groups. Since the topic was about Germans and Japanese, I think we can assume that the poster wasn't talking about SS auxillaries, Waffen SS foreign divisions, or even the volksdeutsche. Germans didn't decide to join up for service in the SS if they were non-ideological. Second fail: The Waffen SS divisions were not better trained. In the early battles they were noted for lack of competence, and later in the war they racked up worse casualty figures than the Heer for no better performance, even with more of the tier one weapons. |
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Posted: 3/14/2011 11:52:01 PM EDT
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That's an interesting story and very similar to my Great Uncle. He tried to join when he was 16, but the Army wouldn't let him. They told him to com back in a few months when he was 17, and his parents could sign for him. My Great Grandparents were both of German decent, and flat out refused to let him join the Army. They kept telling him he'd be fighting his cousins.
As a compromise, they told him they would sign for him on his 17th birthday if he'd go into the Navy. They figured he'd be fighting the Japs instead of the German's that way. He agreed, and spent the next few years on a cruiser in the Pacific. Sometime in the mid 90's, he drove up from Florida for the summer and showed up in a Honda. I asked him about it, and he simply said they made a damn fine car and enough time had passed that he didn't care any more. |
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Posted: 3/15/2011 12:03:59 AM EDT
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Quoted: AmenQuoted: My dad saw an old friend arrive at work today. This fine gentleman lied to the recruiters and joined the Marine Corps at the age of 14. He fought in Okinawa and Iwo Jima. In one of those battles, he was wounded by a Grenade that killed all of his buddies and was sent home. For the last 30 years he's worked at the county court house. I believe he's a security guard. A typical bad ass of the greatest generation. Today, he drove to work in a brand new Japanese sedan. My dad commented on this, asking him why he bought a Japanese car. He shrugged and said, "It's a great car." He also admitted that if someone told him in 1945 that he'd buy a Japanese car one day, he would have told them they were fucking crazy. The moral of the story is, if folks like this can overcome the shit that Japan put us through in WWII, then surely the General Discussion couch-commando's in mom's basement can get over it and stop making fun of this disaster. I guess time heals. My Grandpa fought the Germans all through Europe, was wounded and killed a few himself, and till the day he died he loved the German people, even told us he'd like to talk to some of the fellas he fought against. I understand the Germans may have not have put him though what those men in the Pacific went through, but I guess when the fighting is all said and done, you can only stay pissed so long, and then you'll start to heal. Flame me all you want, but in the end, being pissed your whole life will just make you miserable. |
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Posted: 3/15/2011 12:46:29 AM EDT
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My dad saw an old friend arrive at work today. This fine gentleman lied to the recruiters and joined the Marine Corps at the age of 14. He fought in Okinawa and Iwo Jima. In one of those battles, he was wounded by a Grenade that killed all of his buddies and was sent home. For the last 30 years he's worked at the county court house. I believe he's a security guard. A typical bad ass of the greatest generation. Today, he drove to work in a brand new Japanese sedan. My dad commented on this, asking him why he bought a Japanese car. He shrugged and said, "It's a great car." He also admitted that if someone told him in 1945 that he'd buy a Japanese car one day, he would have told them they were fucking crazy. The moral of the story is, if folks like this can overcome the shit that Japan put us through in WWII, then surely the General Discussion couch-commando's in mom's basement can get over it and stop making fun of this disaster. I guess time heals. My Grandpa fought the Germans all through Europe, was wounded and killed a few himself, and till the day he died he loved the German people, even told us he'd like to talk to some of the fellas he fought against. I understand the Germans may have not have put him though what those men in the Pacific went through, but I guess when the fighting is all said and done, you can only stay pissed so long, and then you'll start to heal. Flame me all you want, but in the end, being pissed your whole life will just make you miserable. Hatred of the enemy in the sense that one hates everything that is from the other side and all of the people and applies this hatred to their actions is a rather modern phenomenon that has its origins in the West in the French Revolution and the ideologies that sprang forth from it. Quite a few military officers decried the direction things were going (including, apparently, Carl von Clausewitz) and of course Sherman probably had them aghast. WWI's conclusion pretty much ended the old ways in most countries although there have always been holdouts even to this day. |
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Posted: 3/15/2011 1:13:50 AM EDT
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My Dad is a WW2 vet. To this day he hates the Japanese, and he will NEVER buy a Japanese anything. He has not quite forgiven me for buying a Toyota, and I have not asked him yet what he thinks about the disaster in Japan. So is mine. Fought in the Pacific and lost family and friends. I remember "Jap" being part of a string of expletives since I can remember. That said, talked to him Sunday about the situation in Japan, and he simply said, "Could have happened anywhere". I think some of the venom is FINALLY leaving him after all these years. |
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